01-03-2008, 05:22 AM
What indicators are there in a horary, that the querent is telling fibs? (or not telling the whole story)
01-03-2008, 06:09 AM
LG: I would look for aspects involving neptune firstly (but thats from a modern astrological perspective).. Malefic Planets in bad aspect in the house of the significator, especially those that involve mercury or house 3...As jupiter and Saturn are both associated with integrity or ethical issues one would expect to see these planets poorly (or strongly) aspected too.
The planet ruling the *quesited* will show the state of being of the quesited. When people act in integrity they are strong and *dignified* and their ruling planet should describe that.
Say Jupiter ruled the quesited but jupiter was retrograde or square mars or mercury, jupiter would be weakened...No single aspect can describe dishonesty or deception.And dishonesty/deception isnt always carried out in a verbal way- we would look to mercury there- but if actions were deceiving us mars would be involved.
When people lie to us they act outside their highest dignity. When we *receive* a lie we are also out of our highest dignity, so two debilitated planets could show deception.
If the Lord of one significator beholds the Lord of anothers significator in a dignified fashion (astrologically speaking) a lie has not been told, but if the connection is by square opposition (even inconjunct in some cases, IMO),and the planets are weak by sign and/0r position, then a lie is certainly possible.
When I see moon square or opposite neptune in a horary I consider the querent may be deceiving his/her self....I'm sure a lot more can be said on this topic.
William Lilly had this to say:
Of Reports, Newes, Intelligence, or Feares, whether true
or false, or in what sense its best to take them?
Whether they signifie good or evill?
The manner of understanding this Question, and taking it in its proper sense, is diversly related by the Ancients; for some would make these like Questions to belong to the 5th house; others, to certaine Lords of triplicities, having dominion in the signs ascending or decending on the Cuspes of the 3rd or 5th House. That which I have found true by experience (in our woefull late sad times of Warre) was this; that if I found the Moon in the Ascendant, 10th, 11th, or 3rd House, separated by a benevolent aspect from any Planet (be he Lord of what House soever) and then applying by Trine or Sextile or Conjunction to the Lord of the Ascendant; I say, I did finde the report or rumour true, but alwayes tending to the good of the Parliment, let the report be good or ill; but if at the time of erecting the Figure, the Moon applyed to the Lord of the 7th by any good aspect, I was sure we had the worst, and our enemies the victory:
if the Moon was voyd of course, the Newes proved to be of no moment, usually vaine or meer lyes, and very soon contradicted:
if the Moon and Mercury were in Square aspect or in Opposition, and did not either the one or other, or both cast their favorable Sextile or Trine to the degree ascending, the Newes was false, and reported of purpose to affright us.. For the time when to
take the Question, I ever observed the houre when I first heard the newes or rumour, and tooke that moment of time for the ground of my question; but if another propounded it, then that very particle of hour when it was proposed: however, if at any time upon the like occasion you heare some speech or have some intelligence or report of anything, and would know whether it will be prejudiciall to you, yea or no, then see whether Jupiter of Venus be in the Ascendant, or the Moon or Mercury in any of their essentiall Dignities, in Trine or Sextile to the Lord of the 11th; you may then judge, the newes is such as you or the party enquiring shall receive no detriment thereby: but if you find the Lord of the 6th, 8th or 12th Houses in the Ascendant, or in bad aspect to the Lord of the Ascendant, or Mars or Saturn Retrograde in the Ascendant, or in an evill aspect with the Lord of the Ascendant, or casting their Square or Opposition rayes to the degree ascending, then the Querent shall receive prejudice by the newes he heares, if it concerne him or her self e; or if it concerne the Common—wealth, some dammage has happened to their Ministers or Parties: If Saturn signifie the mischiefe, their poor Country-friends have been plundered, lost their Corn and Cattle; if Mars, then some stragling parties of theirs is cut off; if Mercury, some of their letters have miscarried, or been intercepted; if the Sun be the Significator, their principall Officer or Commander in Chief e is in some distresse, etc., if Jupiter or Venus, the mischiefe fals on some Gentleman, their friends, or such as take part with them.. Herein vary your rules according to the Question..
If Rumors be True or False, According
to the Ancients.
Consider the Lord of the Ascendant and the Moon, and see which of them is in an Angle, or if the Dispositor of the Moon be in an Angle, and a fixed Signe, or if any of these be in any succeedant house and fixed Signe, or in good aspect with the fortunate Planets, viz. in Sextile or Trine of Jupiter, Venus or Sun, you may then judge the Rumours are true and very good; but if you find the Lord of the Ascendant afflicted by the Infortunes, or cadent in house, you must judge the contrary though he strong in
the Signe wherein he is.. Rumors are for the most part true when the Angles of the Figure are in Fixed signs, viz. Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, and the Moon and Mercury in fixed Signes, seperating from the Infortunes and applying to a fortunate Planet, placed in any Angle. Ill Rumours hold true, if the Angles of the 4th and 10th house be fixed, and the Moon received in them; I say, they will be in some sort verified: If you heare evill newes or bad reports, or have unlucky intelligence, yet if either of the Fortunes be in the Ascendant, or the Moon Unfortunate, it’s a strong argument the Rumours are false, and that they will turne rather to good than evil: The Retrogradation of Mercury, or he any other way afflicted, or of that Planet to whom the Moon applies, or to whom Mercury applies, and above all, if either of those two be Lords of the Ascendant, doe signifie the ill Rumours shall vanish to nothing, and shall be converted to good; if the Lord of the Ascendant be under the Sun Beames or Combust, the matter is kept secret, and few shall ever know the truth of Hope that helps...
01-03-2008, 06:46 AM
Thankyou for your reply...........
I think it is good to know these things......there is another forum i go to where one person is always asking horaries, but i feel they ask in the hopes that one of the horaries will give the answer they want.....I only observe, but its good to be somewhat aware..........
as soon as my son goes back to preschool i am going to get reading a heap of astro books!
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