Composite or progressed composite?

[Moulin]

ok so my composite with someone is not brilliant but my progressed is much better.

What purpose does the progressed composite do please? Is it more accurate for now? If so, why do we use the composite? !!!

I don't understand all these chart options - they serve to confuse my simple Taurean brain :D

[Moulin]

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Now, what do you think about progressed composites? Maybe you can ask Mr whatshisname and all his merry men on the other site :D :D cos l just don't get it? What is the reason for having progressed when normal will suffice?
Cheers and take those wellies off; it's not raining anymore :kiss:

[Liquid Green]

progressions are not that helpful in general i have been told to basic charts.....transists are more helpful.

I think the progressions are quite slow.....

Its still raining here, the lawn is SO long cos it wont dry to mow.
Look love, I have so many people stuffing with my head at the moment......sorry.
you need to check my chart again....saturn overload....hence the worry!

[Kingsley]

I don't pay much attention to progressed composites although I do look at ones progressed in relation to anothers natal...and visa versa. The natal chart is "grounding" to the other progressed chart, like a control chart that gives reference and meaning to 'known quantity'.

composite progressed or progressed composites are a little out there for my likeing, however its not my area of expertise.

Hey Liquid, how is that uranus transit to Jupiter and Saturn at the moment?

kingsley

[savage]

Progressions are somewhat of a "symbolic" art to begin with, which in my mind require a certain "leap of faith" that I myself am somewhat uncomfortable with (it's easier for me to accept that Transits, which are real, have more of a bearing on the future).

The reason progressions are symbolic, can be seen through this analogy. If you think of yourself as a seed at the time of birth (say, for example, a tree seed), then all of your future potential and unfoldment is contained within the seed as it germinates. So, progressions equate 1 year for each day after birth -- meaning, your entire future is encapsulated in the seed within the first, say, 90 days of birth (assuming a human lives to be 90). They sort of show us "what was your potential state for a certain date in the future".

As you know, a composite chart is a blending of two different charts, by looking at the mathematical midpoints of the various planets and points to come up with a merged chart. So, already we are no longer dealing with a true birth since the individuals have different birth times -- it's already looking at a kind of symbolic representation of the relationship between two people.

A progressed composite first progresses each individual's chart to a certain date, and then calculates the Composite based on those progressed charts. So, it is kind of a symbolic representation of the potentials each individual had based on the seed of their Natal chart, which it then "blends" into one Composite chart.

Is it accurate? It depends on how deep of a Leap of Faith you are willing to make, and whether the interpretation resonates with you or not. It's just another tool, to be used in tandem with Natal Charts and the transits for the date in question, along with the Composite, the Progressed individual chart, and the Progressed Composite. Oh, and good conversation over dinner and a movie of course. :)

Personally, I never use it -- I find it a little too "out there" and like to keep the analyses simple.

Sorry to interrupt, ladies, back to who can or cannot PM who (or who chooses not to?):)

[savage]

This might help, taken from a much longer article at this url (the salient point is that you always compare a composite as well as a progressed composite, to a natal chart, which I forgot to mention in my post above): http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html

Progressed Composite Chart

The composite chart, unlike the Davison Relationship Chart, is derived by taking the mathematical midpoint between each person's planets and points. The Davison Time-Space Relationship chart is similar to the composite chart, except that it is drawn for the date, place, and time that is exactly midway between the individuals' birth times and places. Composite charts and Davison Relationship charts often look similar. However, Davison charts have "time and space" reality—these charts are drawn for real points in time and space, and include phenomena (such as retrogrades and eclipses) that composite charts do not.

So, while we can progress the Davison Relationship chart using traditional techniques, if we want to study the progressed composite chart, we first progress the natal charts of the individuals to a specific date, and then make a composite of those progressed charts.

The progressed composite chart can then be compared to the composite chart. Very often we can see the progressed composite Moon coinciding with relationship issues. If it touches off a composite conflict, for example, we might see the issues surrounding that conflict surfacing. I have seen break-ups occur when the progressed composite Moon sets off a composite Sun opposition Saturn and the progressed composite Moon sets off a composite Sun square Mars, for example. (Here, by "sets off", I mean it activates either point of the composite aspect by conjunction). In situations such as these, perhaps the break-up was something that should have happened—it may have been a long time coming. However, if a couple is counseled in advance of the progressed composite Moon triggering a major and challenging composite configuration, they can better prepare for the potential upcoming conflict. If both parties desire saving the relationship, they can benefit from the perspective, and recognize that although the trigger will bring up real issues that should be faced, it is also transitory.

[Moulin]

Thanks Savage.. really interesting info. :)

So basically the progressed is just an additional tool to spot trouble areas coming up!

LG - cool! Lemme check... l have this problem on Facebook too so i'm used to the glitches. I have too many websites up all the time - bet that's what does it.

[savage]

[quote=Moulin]

So basically the progressed is just an additional tool to spot trouble areas coming up!

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As well as areas of harmony. Remember though, that composites (whether progressed or not) provide a THIRD entity chart which is the relationship itself, to be compared to each Natal chart. A bit too esoteric for my taste....dinners, conversation, walks on the beach, and movie nights work a little better in my opinion, but hey, to each his own....

[Ambrosiagaze]

it depends on what you think of regular progressed charts.

After discovering them a few years ago, I think they give fascinating insight. The natal is stronger, but it does make sense, to me, to find a chart that 'grows with you', since people do grow and change quite a bit in their lifespan.

The natal is always 'home base', but the progressed makes a lot of sense to watch after you master the basics. I have found many things to be accurate, even solar arc progressions.

So I think, after you have mastered natal and composite charts, progressed composite can give new, and accurate, dimensions of the relationship between 2 growing people. People aren't static.

I think they would be very valid in sketching a relationship--tho if the natal composite is weak, the progressed is sure to change. You can look ahead to see if a relationship would continue to be strong, or might fade away.

[astrologer50]

Composite charts
If you go to www.astro.com (http://www.astro.com/) click on free horoscopes, go to Interactive horoscopes, go down to Astroclick partner, that will bring up a composite chart and when you put the mouse over a planet will bring up a pop up box with the interpretation......

But you do need both times of birth to be accurate though.. enjoy.

Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+composites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+composites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false)

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other. The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm (http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm)

“Composites have their own laws and energies, and these have nothing to do with whether we are "well matched" with someone. A composite in itself will not tell us about compatibility. That is what synastry is for. The composite won't reveal whether the relationship is "good" or "bad" in terms of the chemistry between two people. The composite says to us, "If you choose to enter this relationship, here is its meaning and pattern of destiny”
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm (http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm)

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html (http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html)

“For example, the composite Ascendant can indicate the circumstances surrounding the first meeting or the beginning of the relationship. It can also point to how a couple initiates things together (such as projects). Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. As such, the conditions surrounding the planets and houses in the composite chart can show us different stages of development of the relationship over time.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html (http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html)
click on link to read full article

http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html (http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html)
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html (http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html)

“Composite charts that has ascendant and midheaven agree in element will most closely describe the type of the relationship your partnership has formed. For instance a relationship that has Taurus on the Ascendant and Capricorn on the Midheaven will closely describe a “traditional” relationship. Those charts that do not agree will keep the element of the ascendant as the primary relationship style while incorporating the element of the Midheaven into the relationship. An analysis of the individual’s chart against the composite chart will show how his or her chart meshes with the composite chart and the style of the relationship”
http://starrynightastrology.com/2009/08/02/relationship-astrology-making-love-last-part-1-your-relationship-style/ (http://starrynightastrology.com/2009/08/02/relationship-astrology-making-love-last-part-1-your-relationship-style/)


1) In composites I disregard planetary sign placements and instead focus on houses where the planets fall and on aspects. The composite Sun is the most important.
2) Aspects that occur in both natals and in the composite/davison will be psychological issues that need to be worked on in the relationship.
3) Aspects that occur in the composite but not in the natals are issues rising within the relationship that have not been dealt with before by either party.
4) In Davison the main difference is to look at sign placement, whilst ignore sign placement in the composite. Also look for sign strength and weakness, mutual reception, sole dispositors.
5) In both ‘composites’ and ‘Davisons’, look for midpoints that are conjoined by planets in either natal. In composites, these relationships seem to be referring to psychological issues, while in ‘Davidsons’, the midpoint relationships tend to refer to forces acting on the couple from outside the relationship.
6) Try putting your natal planets around the outside of either chart, to see who relates best to this relationship and who is gaining the most. This can be rather revealing
7) Also remember you can use transits over both these charts and again Angles are very sensitive points
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180956&postcount=11 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=180956&postcount=11)

Davison chart v Composite chart
“Important point! Both of these charts are for the two of you as a couple. They show things that will tend to happen in the relationship as well as how you act towards the outside world when you are together. They have no effect when you are apart”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/relationshipdavidson26.0.htm

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