living in a dream world

[windwispers]

my imagination tends to get the best of me, and sometimes i find myself living in an alternate reality, unable to tell fact from fiction.
some of the things i am about to say might sound totally ridiculous... it may cause alot of you to roll your eyes and sneer at how juvenile i am, but i'll post anyways...

when i was a child, and even now, i would have dreams about flying. my dreams were so realistic, that when i was younger i once believed i really could fly....
call it peter pan syndrome... you can imagine how much trouble it got me into..
anyways... the dreams that i have are so realistic and intense that it becomes hard for me to seperate them from reality...

another example is something both my sister and i have in common. we swear to have both been able to breath underwater several times when we were little...
the problem is, i still do not know whether or not this really happened... i mean i know it is not physically possible for a human being to breath underwater... but truthfully i still do [totally ridiculous i know] to this day believe that i once was able too when i was a child.
the issue is that this whole memory/ experience i had, may have, probably was, a dream, and i was not able to realize it was.

now that i am older sometimes i catch myself doing things... and this may sound really strange... but i will stop in the middle of it and ask myself whether or not i am dreaming... of couse im not.. sometimes.lol

also when i was younger i used to get in trouble with my teachers and have my parents called because i was reading during class, all the time....
i still have the same problems, i cannot focus in school... im usually desperate for something that is actually stimulating ( books imo)..
as a result my grades are horrible... it is sooo hard for me to turn my focus to something that is not interesting to me.
but anywho, i was wondering if there are certain aspects that would cause a person to blurr the line between fantasy and reality?
does anyone else have this problem?

here is my chart
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r169/olivia666lilbitch/chart.gif

[sara31tx]

my imagination tends to get the best of me, and sometimes i find myself living in an alternate reality, unable to tell fact from fiction.
some of the things i am about to say might sound totally ridiculous... it may cause alot of you to roll your eyes and sneer at how juvenile i am, but i'll post anyways...

when i was a child, and even now, i would have dreams about flying. my dreams were so realistic, that when i was younger i once believed i really could fly....
call it peter pan syndrome... you can imagine how much trouble it got me into..
anyways... the dreams that i have are so realistic and intense that it becomes hard for me to seperate them from reality...

another example is something both my sister and i have in common. we swear to have both been able to breath underwater several times when we were little...
the problem is, i still do not know whether or not this really happened... i mean i know it is not physically possible for a human being to breath underwater... but truthfully i still do [totally ridiculous i know] to this day believe that i once was able too when i was a child.
the issue is that this whole memory/ experience i had, may have, probably was, a dream, and i was not able to realize it was.

now that i am older sometimes i catch myself doing things... and this may sound really strange... but i will stop in the middle of it and ask myself whether or not i am dreaming... of couse im not.. sometimes.lol

also when i was younger i used to get in trouble with my teachers and have my parents called because i was reading during class, all the time....
i still have the same problems, i cannot focus in school... im usually desperate for something that is actually stimulating ( books imo)..
as a result my grades are horrible... it is sooo hard for me to turn my focus to something that is not interesting to me.
but anywho, i was wondering if there are certain aspects that would cause a person to blurr the line between fantasy and reality?
does anyone else have this problem?

here is my chart
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r169/olivia666lilbitch/chart.gifI am not sure if the moon in Libra in the 12th house has something to do with your attention span, but I too have problems with paying attention and I have Libra moon in the 12th house. I also tend to live in my head quite a bit, I am not sure if it is caused by depression or just plain boredom with life. I will have to get back too you on that one.

[gaer]

my imagination tends to get the best of me, and sometimes i find myself living in an alternate reality, unable to tell fact from fiction.
some of the things i am about to say might sound totally ridiculous... it may cause alot of you to roll your eyes and sneer at how juvenile i am, but i'll post anyways...

when i was a child, and even now, i would have dreams about flying. my dreams were so realistic, that when i was younger i once believed i really could fly....

I also have dreams that feel so vivid and real that I feel as though I'm in an alternate reality. I've had them all my life.

At the time that LSD was first popular (decades before you were born), I was careful not to go near it, ever. I was afraid that under the influence of anything that was mind-altering, I might attempt to step off a high building, off a cliff, off the side of a mountain. This is no joke. I am able to do all those things in dreams. I also swim underwater and breathe while doing it.

I don't believe that I am having those experiences in "real life". When awake, I know that these are dream experiences. But while dreaming, they are incredibly powerful.

I hope you will be as careful as I have been to stay away from anything mind-altering. And yes, I believe there are many things in your chart that point towards a blurred line between reality and fantasy. But I'd prefer that other people go into that. :)

Gaer

[El_Nagual]

Hi Olivia,

Well, those experiences you tell us about are great indicators that you are developing higher faculties such as intuition. All this kinds of experiences are related to Uranus and Neptune, and as the age of aquarius aproaches this will become a generalized tendency.

You have mercury (mind) conjuct with uranus and neptune and square with jupiter, all of these planes have to do with what you described in your post. There's a saturn nearby to balance a little the situation and a strong saturn in capricorn, that probably is acting as a big rock by preventing you from flying too high to impractial and world-disconecting heights.

As Gaer says, you should stay away from drugs and alcohol because, being extra sensitive to them, those substances may induce degeneration of your faculties could lead to the negative side of the dreaming matter, and prevent you to function in this world correctly.

[Caprising]

No wonder you find school boring, because it is;) !!. With mars in sagg within 2 degrees of the 3rd house(lower mind) , your drive would be more focussed on more interesting subjects, like astrology and philosophy, saturn in the 3rd should give your mind self discipline but uranus also in the 3rd should counteract this self discipline with a rebellious streak, the more your told to focus on your schoolwork, the more you wont want to!! Neptune also in the 3rd would probably give you the vivid fantasy life. Your dreams of flying and being able to breathe underwater are similar to dreams that I have had in the past, so real at the time, it's such a let down waking and finding yourself in a body that can do neither of these things. I believe that you are astral travelling, that is leaving your body and floating around going to places instantly. There are a few books on the subject so check some of them out (hopefully not during class time:) ) , Your progressed chart shows a conjunction of your progressed sun and the prog. north node, (within 1 degree) , so maybe these unusual experiences are "fated". Having said all of that, you will still need a reasonable education, as you have to support yourself somehow when you leave school and get a job, so maybe some structuring of your time will enable you to fit both types of "education" into your timetable. If you get your schoolwork done extra quickly, then maybe your teachers wont mind if you read something unrelated to their class topic. Cheers Cap.

[Svencanz]

Windwispers....

Stunning post. Best I've seen in a long time.
I work as a journalist, and I see a lot of people at work - so cannot remember the exact details of this; it may even have been someone I met in another circumstance that told me this:

Mentally retarded children are unable to imagine. They cannot, for instance, hold a shoe to their ear and pretend it is a telephone. (The person gave me this example, that much I recall.) I also cannot remember if there were any specifics about "mentally retarded" - so have used the wide definition.

Fact remains: imagination is a faculty not bestowed on all humans.

Besides - you did breathe water when you were in the womb; watch the movie "Cocoon" for a reminder...

My general advice for you would be: accept your imagination, and spice it with a dose of "reality" to suit. This is something you'd have to do actively, as a choice. Take responsibility for this choice.

Now, after my one-minute inspection of your chart, I see the following:

You have a t-square between the Moon and Athene, with Uranus at the apex; Jupiter is widely positioned at the other corner.
But if we look at the central t-square: Moon square Uranus essentially means subconscious (Moon) disruptively and challengingly (square) affected by higher frequency thought and inspiration (Uranus); since Athene (shield and strategy) then is also "badly" positioned here, you get "ineffective shield".
That's pretty much what you've told us.
Jupiter then, also in "offset" position, then would tend to expand or exaggerate this.
That's the description of "the pathology".

If you, over time, take this one "by the horns" and work with it, you'll be able to turn it into something brilliant. How you'd do this would depend on what external circumstances you select; for instance, if you choose to work as an accountant, you'd have one set of "reality"- or more correctly "consensus reality" checks you'd have to employ: those would be different from the ones you'd need to work with if you decide to be an artist or a musician, for instance.

What I am saying is: you should NEVER discount your own perceptions; you may however want to adapt your communication of those perceptions to the external in a "palatable" way. In other words, be careful what you say to people you do not feel a connection with.

I will finish with a definition of "trust".
The American Indians used to say "trust was the ability to know what was going on in any given moment." You'd need perception to handle this one; and you also need to back yourself up. That can mean shutting up when surrounded by thick people, for instance.

Another person I know went even further about the definition of "trust".
He said: trust is a bridge you are trying to build across something you are in denial of. When the issue of trust appears, it is already too late.

If I were you, I'd work at finding a way to use your special gift of imagination that is supportive of yourself, while also not being too "out there" in the face of the general public. This may take some time.

Think of it this way: you are a large balloon that somehow (just for fun) needs to be fitted into a smaller square - and you define the parameters of this square; you can even move the walls as you see fit - but playing and working with this idea, this ability will be helpful and fun for you.

Cheers,
Sven

[Svencanz]

And oh, hey Kiddo,

Travelling around the planet, back and forth in time, when you sleep is no big deal. I do it all the time.
I often dream several years into the future - especially about where I will live or go in the next few years.

This is the last one, and it's a funny one:
I left Sweden about 22 year ago; before leaving I lived in this street called Ehrensvardsgatan in the town called Malmo.

A few months ago, I started having dreams of going to Ehrensvardsgatan, going up and down the stairwells, knocking at doors. No one ever opened. I've had this dream at least three times.

In my wake state, I wondered if there were "unresolved issues" and thought it was part of my longing to my past, which I do have and accept.

So anyway, I do quite a bit of music now. And I was looking for a suitable woman to sing on some of my recordings on an internet forum: and I came across this woman called Sandra who had a great voice. So I emailed her.

Turns out she lives on Ehrensvardsgatan, Malmo.
So while I was unable to find her in my dreams, I did make contact via the internet. Quite a laugh, huh?

Sven

[Moulin]

Hi Wind,

Yes. I totally dig what you are saying. I completely relate to your post and even though life may seem to be a little more lonely than usual and tougher due to living outside of the box - fantasy and imagination are beautiful gift bestowed upon you, so just be guided by them and your inner thoughts/intuition and enjoy your life that will allow you to experience great heights and probing depths.

Astral traveling when you are either awake/asleep is great!!! I love going to bed and 'taking off' as l slip into sleep. Isn't it great to be free of the limitations of your body and the restrictions that most people face?

:)

[Moulin]

ps. yes, it is possible to breathe underwater. My brother and l used to do it often in the pool.

I often wonder if things are real or not too and l notice that you share neptune in 3rd house with me. Are you good at writing? I am good at it, and l think it's cos of this neptune aspect.

I also have pluto in 1st so maybe it's a combo of both?

Lovely to meet you Wind :)

[Caprising]

Quote from moulin "ps. yes, it is possible to breathe underwater. My brother and l used to do it often in the pool." unquote............People that try to breathe underwater drown, sure you can breathe out, that is exhale and blow a few bubbles, but if you breathe in...you will drown. Dont try this one out!!

[Moulin]

LOL

how very human of you Caprising! :D

Trust saturn to come along and draw a red line through it - does Saturn only see life in tunnel vision, or what?

[Caprising]

Just concerned for the more vunerable amongst us!!:D

[Moulin]

Just concerned for the more vunerable amongst us!!:D

I know Caprising and you are very caring to. I'm just frustrated with Saturn at the moment as it's transiting my 1st house, having just visited my AC :eek:

[Caprising]

Your probably right Moulin, saturn is a bit tunnel visioned, and sometimes overly responsible. I know a traffic policeman who has saturn conjunct jupiter, and he thought that he was responsible for every car accident in the country because he wasn't doing his job well enough!! It took a bit of therapy and a few weeks for him to realise that he was never going to be able to completely eliminate sensless car accident casualties, no matter how many people he booked!! (I should mention that he had neptune in the 1st- idealism) . Sorry to hear about your heavy saturn transits,but I'm sure that your putting this combo to good use. Cheers Cap:D

[Floris]

I think Moon square Neptune in your chart also points in that direction. :)

[Wilmingtonian]

I agree, Floris.

And look at all those aspects to the Moon in the 12th house! I know a man with a very strong 12th house and he's always lost in an imaginary world. Sometimes the world in his head is more "real" than the world the rest of live in and it can be frightening. Anyway, he has become a fairly successful actor where he can use that strong dreamy influence to his advantage.