So, what's the Aquarian Age? [Archive]

John_Charles_Webb

12-23-2005, 09:18 PM

Yeah, yeah, I know. We live in the Pisces Age and next we to the Aquarian Age and that's supposed to be sometime around 2012 according to some astrologers.

But what does it all mean?

P.S. there's a theory by Radu in the website that's interesting but doesn't go with what I hear about the Aquarian age. How does it fit also?

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The Age of Pisces has been an age of pathos, sorrow, warfare and crucifixions, holocosts, etc. The archetypes of The Age of Pisces are "Fire (Sun) into water (Pisces) and 12th house (Pisces) "self undoing".

The Age of Aquarius (ruled by Saturn and Uranus) introduces revolutionary (Uranus) precision (Saturn) things that move through the air.... cell phones, computers, aviation, space travel, enlightenment, revolutionary activities, NEW IDEAS (I know-aquarius key phrase) etc.
Also, a new scientific based religious/spiritual paradigm of unity (11th house groups) rather than competitive isolation.

Summery Joy

12-23-2005, 09:57 PM

Anonymous

12-23-2005, 10:30 PM

John, according to you, we're already phasing into the the Age of the Aquarius.. on the cusp, so to speak.

Kite, I've tried googling the Age of the Aquarius many times before. I sort of get the idea, but I just don't understand the basis of it. Guess I've got to just read more until it finally sinks in.

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According to my research we started the cusp of Aquarius in 1929.

See, generally http://www.templeofsolomon.org

for calendar errors, precession issues, and the new age of Aquarius

Best Regards.

Anonymous

12-23-2005, 10:32 PM

[quote=sorehearted]John, according to you, we're already phasing into the the Age of the Aquarius.. on the cusp, so to speak.

Kite, I've tried googling the Age of the Aquarius many times before. I sort of get the idea, but I just don't understand the basis of it. Guess I've got to just read more until it finally sinks in.

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One can really experience the power of Neptune (Ruler of The Age of Pisces) masking the precision of the transition of the ages!

Lapis

12-23-2005, 10:33 PM

Sorehearted,

Boy you sure can ask the BIG complex questions kiddo! :wink: Just teasing of course.

Think about everything, everything that you can about these past 2,100+ years. Think about the positive and very negative effects of religious belief systems world wide and how they have been used by some to control the many. Think about the Pisces (the Fishes) Neptune and Virgo (the Virgin) polarity and this alone will shed much light on the Piscean Age and the religious teachings/controls of its time.

During this past Piscean Age humanity has been working with its Emotional Body. In the Aquarian Age humanity will be working on developing its Mental Body. (We'll talk more about this later maybe.)

Personally I don't know nearly as much about the Mayan Calendar as I'd like to but, Winter Solstice of 2012 is the ending of many, many, super long cosmic/astrological/galactic cycles or orbits. Many of these numerous huge cycles/orbits ALL come into alignment and completion together like many different sized wheels within a huge cosmic clock on Dec. 22, 2012 (at 11:11 pm or so I've read). We will be in alignment with our local Source the GC also. This indicates far more than just the past Piscean Age completing and the new Aquarian Age beginning! Winter Solstice 2012 indicates the end of extremely long orbits and cycles of learning within one area of space in the Milky Way galaxy and this expands well beyond just this 3 dimensional reality.

And like Kite said, 2012 won't be the "end" of the world. It will be the end of how life has been, how humanity has been and dealt with physical reality. How humanity will perceive and evolve for the next many long cycles/orbits will be so different that I don't think anyone can comprehend it at this point. Personally, I believe that many probable realities will be birthed out of 2012 providing all for all! (We'll talk more about this too maybe).

To be continued..........

Anonymous

12-29-2005, 02:55 PM

The great planet Neptune moved into Aquarius in 1998....surely signifying the beginning of Aquarian energies emerging.....

Anonymous

12-29-2005, 05:06 PM

Hi sore,

Here is my take of the Aquarian Age:

The exact date and time the planet will enter the Age of Aquarius is highly debatable, as can be seen within countless articles on the web. There is a precision (the vestiges of the Age of Pisces' polarity, Virgo) that can't really be reached, even in our day because the start of the an Age is more than the Earth entering into 29° Aqu 59'.

I would pose that first effects of the changing of the Ages began with the Industrial Revolution. Why back that far? It was the Industrial Revolution that began the scientific and technological advances that has led to the world we have today. It also revolutionized how society formed itself. Revolution is one of the hallmarks of Aquarius, is it not? Think of what the world would have been like without the Industrial Revolution, 95% of the world's population still in mostly feudal, rural societies.

During the Industrial Revolution, we also discovered that our solar system was a much larger place than we thought it was. The discovery of Uranus and Neptune took place during this period. Our views were expanded and our imagery increased.

Yet, this is not answering your question of what is the Age of Aquarius.

For me, the Age of Aquarius will be a time that Earth will learn to balance technology, science and humanity and we will learn that the uniqueness of each individual is something to be celebrated and supported rather than feared and shunned. It is a time where spirituality is individualized in such a way that it supports both society and the individual without the demanding that the individual must believe like the society or the society must believe like the individual.

There is a reason that Uranus and Neptune are in mutual reception right now: they are showing us the path of balance between the spiritual, intuitive, scientific/technological and intellectual where all can work with each other in harmony and raise humanity up into its next level of consciousness. The planet of the collective unconscious is in the sign of the individual unconscious and the planet of the individual unconscious is in the sign of the collective unconscious. We are here at this moment to work through the things we have stored in the unconscious in a healthy way to bring to fruition the promise of the Piscean Age: the journey towards full consciousness.

It is also important to remember that Jupiter is co-ruler of Pisces and Saturn is the co-ruler of Aquarius. Jupiter is the planet of the individual conscious, so when it is in its Piscean guise, the individual conscious is learning from the collective unconscious and vice versa. This is how we get our mystics, sages, and the like. They are able to enter the Piscean paradise of full consciousness through contact with the collective unconscious and return unscathed and wiser. Likewise in its Aquarian guise, Saturn brings the collective conscious into its roots of the individual unconscious. It is the action of all four planets working together that will enable humanity to move into full consciousness.

The Age of Pisces was the Promise of Full Consciousness whereas the Age of Aquarius will be the Manifestation of Full Consciousness. In the Age of Pisces, Neptune dreamt and veiled, Jupiter expanded and journeyed. In the Age of Aquarius, Uranus will connect and revolutionize, Saturn will manifest and provide stable structure.

Right now we are seeing the most negative attributes of the waning Piscean Age and the waxing Aquarian Age do battle with one another. Signs in the water element can have issues of letting go. They can tend to hold on tightly to the point of self-destructing and destroying others. Pisces can have a double issue with this because it cannot let go of its great dream (Neptune) and then becomes rigidly dogmatic and self-righteous in its beliefs (Jupiter) and wants everyone else to believe exactly how it does or the others will be, to use a Dispensational Christian literary series title, Left Behind and face hell on Earth. This poke fingers into the eyes of Aquarius, Uranus and Saturn, which bring up the rebellion for rebellion's sake without consideration of the consequences, which Saturn would normally provide. Thus we have the sorry state of affairs that we see on the planet right now.

I don't know if this helps you sore or if it just muddies the water even further. I look forward to your reply.

Summery Joy

12-29-2005, 10:14 PM

This was a great reply, guest, but still didn't quite answer my question.

See, a planet has the colour of Pisces when it is Pisces. A sign gives its attributes to the funtions of the planet that is physically within that sign. But the ages seem to be a completely different issue. Earth is not in Pisces, it's just that humanity is sort of characterized by Pisces traits. It's been moving gradually to have Aquarius characteristics which is why every one feels that the Aquarian Age is getting closer.

But I, for one, do not see the Pisces attributed of our age. Yes, religions evolved in this era, but so what? We're always going to have religions. We won't stop having dreams in an Aquarius Age or a Capricorn Age even. There has to be something more than such reasons to say that we're living in the Pisces Age. Not that I disgaree, I just want to put my finger on bases that resonate, ya know.

I will give you one thing that supports you though, the Science Fiction movies. Have you seen any lately? Have you seen any at all? All of them show the future world in a very Aquarius way (technology, emotional distance, etc) and the hero is always someone with the charcateristics of our age (Pisces I guess). And for the movie to have a happy ending, it has to lead up to the destruction of the Aquarius-like world and promote going back to the "old ways". An example of such movies would be Demolition Man starring Silvester Stalone and Sandra Bullock.

So yes, it does seem that the next step is an Aquarius-like world and it's quite obvious that humanity is still resisting. It's just that.. well.. I see these days to becoming quite like.. Aries! I know I should study like the past 6000 years or so. And yes, civilizations that were there 6000 years ago were very Pisces-like. The ancient Egyptian civilization is a good example. But these days are not Pisces at all. I see Taurus in business and I see Aries in War, but I see no Pisces .. except in Tibet! Most of the religious trends are more Sagittarius than Pisces. This is why I found an article by Radu in this website to be very interesting. He sort of broke down this age (be it Pisces or whatever else) to smaller eras, each carrying the attributes of one sign in a retrograde order from Pisces to Aries. Maybe that's why I feel the Aries and the Taurus.. because we're near the end of this cycle and this age. Maybe the Aquarian Age will start with a similar cycle that also begins with Pisces which will prolong the "feel" of Pisces and ease the transition.

I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud here. I still don't get the basis on which Ages are classified the way the are. Even that smaller cycle eras theory by Radu is quite strange. I like it because it does describes the history of the world as I know it, but it still offers no basis.

Such demand on logical explanations and details.. Can you guess what the ruler of my chart is? ;)

Lapis

12-29-2005, 11:06 PM

Sorehearted,

I think I finally understand what you're wanting with this astrological Ages thing. Your last post cleared it up for me!

Now I'm rushing with this and that's a bad thing but here I go anyway. Please everyone else come and add all the other things that I forget with the 2 main lists.

Think of all the things that are connected with both Pisces and Neptune. Then think of all the things that are connected with both Aquarius and Uranus. This alone will show you the focus, the flavor, the learning fields and energies of each of these long 2,100+ year astrological Ages.

Pisces/Neptune things such as----

Oil and all petroleum products and what they've done for humanity
Oil and all the problems connected with it and how its hurt the planet etc.
Drugs and all the positive and negative things because of them
World religions of the past 2,100+ years and what's happened through them
Spiritual and Mystic abilites and both the positive and negative aspects
Emotional body developments in humanity
Emotional Age in general and humanity manipulated emotionally
I'm already forgetting things.....pathetic!

Aquarius/Uranus and even Leo/Sun things such as-----

Waves, Energy in the form of Aquarian waves instead of watery Piscean Oil!
Solar Energy and technologies for so many things like cars, homes, etc.
High tech things and how this too can be over done and cause harm
Individuals becoming more responsible and carrying their 'weight' in society instead of Government and Church doing it.
Mental body developments in humanity
Mental Age in general and humanity running the risk of not pulling in enough Leo Heart to balance all that high MIND of Aquarius.
High creativity and more holistic science and spirituality put back together again
Negative Leo stuff is all over the place already along with some negative Aquarian things IMO, like
"Reality" Shows on TV where everyone fights for their 15 minutes in the Limelight. We're seeing this in little kids too.
All the different issues with children worldwide like child labor, children used sexually, so many negative Leo/ego/children/sleazy creativity things/gambling casino's everywhere suddenly/marketing directed at 5 year olds etc. etc. Low ego, ego, ego being pushed at us like it's normal to be so small! High tech things becoming the new 'drugs' some are addictied to already. Cell phones attached to everyone's heads all the time! Spending way too much time on-line, intimately connected with electrontic equipment and not with Nature at all etc.

There's so much more to these 2 lists but like I said I'm rushing through this. This is a big and important subject I feel though and I hope more people will add to both these lists as we all remember more of the things from both of these Signs, good and bad.

Summery Joy

12-29-2005, 11:55 PM

Interesting reply Lapis. I particularly like how you've pointed out that oil, the traditional source of energy is a liquid (Pisces), while waves are all air-y (Aquarius). I always knew that, but I never really thought about it that way. I bet they'll be using dust as a source of energy in the Capricorn age :lol:

Well, yes. The Piscean list you've provided makes a lot of sense. OK. We're living in the Piscean Age. But how did the ancient predict the time frames? Yeah, there maybe a little deviation between their prdictions and reality, but they are awefully too close to be a mere guess. I think that this question is asnwered by that website that I didn't understand the first time. Maybe I should take another look at it.

I have one last question. Is medical advancement also an Aquarian thing?

Elianah

12-30-2005, 12:23 AM

Hi sore,

Of course I know how signs influence the coloration of planets. Signs also influence ages, as Lapis was indicating.

What may be hard for you to see is the Age of Pisces coloration because you are living in the midst of it, like all of us. It is harder to see the forest through the trees than a meadow lying outside of it. For me it is far easier to talk about the roots of the Age of Aquarius starting in the Industrial Revolution than speaking about the Age of Pisces. Who knows? Perhaps I have not had many incarnations during the Age of Pisces, so I just don't get all the nuances of it. The Age of Aquarius makes a whole lot more sense to me.

Pisces is the state of pure consciousness, the combination of all consciousnesses, instinct and intuition. Pisces manifests more in subtle energies and dreams rather than hard core material objects. Think of the dream of any religion: a place where all can live in peace, harmony and respect. The problem is that when humans contact the co-rulers of Pisces, Neptune and Jupiter, they can get drugged out and very dogmatic in the way they approach the dream, whether it is called Heaven, Pardes, Nirvana, Shambhala or all the other myriad of human names that place has. They can become judgemental and saying their way can be the only way to reach the dream.

And it doesn't has to be a religious dream. Political dreams are another example. G. W. Bush's dream of American style democracy on countries such as Iraq while trying to quash that democracy dream within the US itself. He has his dream and everybody else better bow down to it no matter what. Bush exemplifies, in my opinion, the creme de la creme of the late Age of Pisces leader.

Just my 2¢ worth.

Radu

12-30-2005, 01:33 AM

Since the discussion turns around the Age of Aquarius, I just remembered I wrote a couple of years ago an article on this stuff, that is not published on astrologyweekly.com, I considered it to be kind of subjective since it brings up an Indian prophecy on the spiritual mission of my country, Romania, in the upcoming new era.

If you want to have a look, the article is available here:
http://astroinfo.ro/eng/articles/romania.php

It basicly comes up with two total solar eclipse charts, of 1962 an of 1999, both having their maximum visibility in Romania. The 1962 eclipse chart is really extraordinary stellium of no less than 7 planets in Aquarius, the eclipse at 15 Aquarius being conjunct Romania's Sun. The second solar eclipse, of 1999, was remarkable by the extraordinarily tensed aspects (fixed cross involving all malefics). This second eclipsewas actually opposed to Romania's Sun.

And as you were talking before on the age of Aquarius and stuff, it just came to me that on December 21, 2012, the transiting North Node at 25.37 Scorpio will conjunct exactly(!) the 1962 eclipse Ascendant at 25.38 Scorpio. Pretty amazing, huh?

Maybe there is really something true in this theory and I should look again more carefully into it.

Elianah

12-30-2005, 01:54 AM

Medical advancement is definitely partially an Aquarian thing because the science and technology portion of medicine. Now the art of medicine is a whole nuther issue and would fall more under a different Air sign, namely Libra.

Just a thought: you can have waves in liquid as well as in air. Sound, which we usually think of as an Air quality, carries far better in water than air.

Oil, although it is a liquid, is more of an Earthy liquid to me than a Watery liquid. Which may be part of the problem with oil and the US...an Earth element liquid that the US refuses to let go (a Water trait) of in order to harness Solar waves (Fire) or Air waves (i.e. wind). Perhaps wind and solar power (the polarities of Aquarius and Leo) will become more acceptable as renewable sources as we get more into the Aquarian Age.

Just a little different spin... :wink:

Elianah

01-04-2006, 07:17 PM

The post dated 12-29-2005 under the name of "Guest" was written by me, having not logged in from an automated reply I received in my e-mail. I have turned off this feature so I should no longer be posting without logging in.

I apologize for any confusion this has caused anyone.

Elianah

Kite

01-05-2006, 07:00 PM

Some great thoughts in this thread on defining the Age of Aquarius.

I'd like to get symbolic for a moment. Looking at the symbol of Pisces you have two fish swimming in opposite directions in the water. To me this represents the polarity of consiousness or duality as told to us in the story of Adam and Eve where we ate from the Tree of Knowledge and were promised eternal life by knowing Good and Evil. This was the Fall or banishment from the Garden as we took on the Dualistic consciousness where we have separated ourselves from the source of our being by dividing ourseleves in consciousness. It really doesn't make a difference when this Adam and Eve myth occured in time as time is an illusion (the water the fish swim in).

Christ and Buddah as the bringer of the Christed or Crystal consciousness represents the unification force to overcome the polarity by bridging the opposites through compassion and understanding that we are all one being. In Judaism this is elevation of Malchut (the physical world) to Aziluth (the Heavenly world) with Man positioned in-between on the Sephirot of Tipheret.

Aquarius is the Man in this position of straddling the physical and heavenly worlds pouring out the waters of life in a single non-dualistic flow where Man is now the annointing of all things in the physical because everything is alive with consciousness and beingness.

We are talking about a quantum leap in consciousness but also a step back into the Garden from which we come..better connected with the source of our being but matured out of the innocence or fool's paradise we evolved from.

Lapis

01-05-2006, 10:14 PM

Kite,

Hi and glad you're back. Hope you 2 had a very special time.

Hey......please get "symbolic" all you want. That was really wonderful! I've been hoping that you'd share more of your knowledge about The Tree Of Life and Astrology. The way you've described the Aquarian Man and what He's doing......says it all so perfectly.

I think I've mentioned somewhere here, about having a little insight a couple decades ago, about the importance of the seemingly empty area, space, between the 2 parallel lines of energy waves in the glyph of Aquarius. You have so clealy and accurately verbalized this huge concept. The second coming is us doing it. Thanks for giving us an expanded view of the Aquarian Age energies and consciousness. :)

Kite

01-05-2006, 11:20 PM

Thanks Lapis. You know I was going to write a disclaimer like this is my own vision - the opinion is of this author's only - don't try this at home kind of thing but I think Elianah has been writing enough disclaimers for all of us I think :D :D :D

That was a joke Elianah :lol:

Lapis

01-05-2006, 11:46 PM

Kite,

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Kite

01-06-2006, 01:42 AM

Lapis - continuing the discussion, you mentioned your insight into the 2 lines in the Aquarius symbol and the seeming space in between. What pops in my head regarding this is untwisted DNA. Sounds weird, I know but there is so much discussion going on with DNA these days. Perhaps the unseen portion between the lines is the so called "junk" DNA which we are being told is actually the spiritual layers of the DNA or remaing 10 strands that are being activated.

Here is a link to some very interesting channeled matarial on the subject and has used Hebrew names for these layers and relates these layers to the Tree of Life. http://www.kryon.com/seminar%20images/DNA%20page/DNA.html

Lapis

01-06-2006, 09:25 PM

Kite,

Very interesting thought and not weird at all! Thanks for the link to all that Kryon information. I'm going to be busy reading for awhile because I'm not familiar with him. But it makes a lot of sense right off dosen't it? Age of Aquarius, reentering the Photon Light, accelerated DNA reconnections, completion of so many long cosmic sycles, speeding us back up to be able to reside within these higher energies. Very good stuff. Gonna go read more! Thanks.....

Elianah

01-07-2006, 01:15 AM

Kite,

I have been playing around for some time with the Etz Chayyim, or Tree of Life, being the equivilent of spiritual DNA. Looking at the double waves of the symbol of Aquarius could be considered the outside pillars of the Etz. Since there is an alef-bet letter between each sefirah, that puts a double dose of Aquarian energy on each of the outer pillars.

The letters of the pillar which contains Binah-Gevurah-Hod are gimel and peh, and if one inserts the oo sound, one has guf, which means body. One forms the word guf by using the vav, which is the lettered path between Keter and Binah. Guf/gimel-kibutz-feh means body. (I tried using the Hebrew letters but they come out as question marks :roll:.)

The letters between sephirot Chochma-Chesed-Netzach on the other outer pillar are bet and kaph. If one also the path that connects Chochma with Keter, you have the shoresh (three letter root) for the verb which means in one conjugation to cry or weep and in another to lament or mourn or cause one to cry.

Perhaps the Aquarian energy in the two outers pillars causes the body to lament and mourn in such a way to work toward the center pillar by using the lettered paths that intersect the central pillar.

What do you think?

Kite

01-07-2006, 02:03 AM

Elianah - I think these findings are all excellent pointers to the secret that is being revealed about our DNA and its role as connector/connection to the source of AllThatIs.

Last year, I taught a class in Kabbalah using a book by Gregg Braden called the God Code. In this book Gregg shows how Gematria translates the Name of the Hebrew God into the chemical composition of our DNA. I went a little beyond his thesis by showing that we could become more like God by getting to the letter Hey through the Dalet door of humility. YHVH as opposed to the chemical composition we all have of YHVG (Gimel). You can take a look at the Powerpoint I created for this class but I also recorded the sessions which I can send you if you have some insomnia problems. http://home.comcast.net/~sblonder/sb_index.html

Radu

01-07-2006, 07:32 AM

The DNA is related to the Divinity by astrology also.

The 4 chemical "building blocks", the 4 bases, can be associated to the 4 fixed signs of the zodiac.
So can the 4 main archangels (Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel).

Think at the zodiac, not as a circle, but as a tridimensional circle, as a spiral. Each moment of time is unique, the same configuration of planets occurs only once. That's why, each year, when the Sun transits again the same degree, this is not a circle that ends, it's more like a spiral.

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Elianah

01-07-2006, 04:48 PM

Hey Radu,

I really like what you shared. I thought I'd throw out the meanings of the Archangels' names for possible use as more deeply understanding the rungs:

Michael: Who is like God?

Gabriel: God is my strength

Uriel: God is my light

Raphael: God heals

There is a bedtime prayer in Judaism which invokes the archangels:

In the name of God, may Michael be on my right side, Gabriel on my left, Uriel in front of me, Raphael behind me and God above me.

To invoke energy of the Archangels as in the prayer is very powerful, and to invoke them as each nucleotide base within the DNA strand would be a whole "nuther" level. If Michael resonates with Adenine, Gabriel with Guanine, Uriel with Cytosine and Raphael with Thymine, I have to wonder how they would assist in the further unfoldment of the multidimensional, multistrand DNA that is currently taking place for all entities on the Earth plane at this time.

What a wonderous thing to ponder! :dancing: Thanks Radu!

Anonymous

01-07-2006, 04:51 PM

I am wondering if anyone else realizes that Neptune is now in Aquarius, and will be till 2011...Chiron has just entered (Aquarius) and will transit till 2011.......Will there be other major transits till 2011..and this is very sync with the end of the Mayan Calendar...

Uranus in Pisces till 2011* :idea:

Anonymous

01-07-2006, 05:01 PM

^^^ me. new to astrology.
How many other planets will be transiting Aquarius in 2011?

Thank you.

Elianah

01-07-2006, 06:05 PM

Hi Guest,

Let's see....Chiron finishes transiting Aquarius on February 8, 2011. Although it will retrograde in Pisces, it will turn direct at 0° Pisces 39' on November 11. Hmm...Armistice/Vetrans' Day. It will be interesting to see how world energies will deal with that.

Neptune will make its first forray into Pisces on April 5, 2011. It will retrograde on June 3, 2011 at 0° Pisces 56' and November 10, 2011 Neptune returns to direct motion at 28° Aquarius 8'. It will stay in Aquarius through the end of the year.

Mars transits Aquarius from January 16-February 23, 2011.
Venus transits Aquarius from March 3-27, 2011.
Mercury transits Aquarius from February 4-21, 2011.

And of course the Sun will make its annual transit and the Moon will make its monthly transits. Can't leave them out!

The only outer planet that is transiting in Aquarius is Neptune during 2011.

Hope this helps!

Chris Brennan

01-09-2006, 03:41 AM

I wrote a paper on the Age of Aquarius for school recently. You can read it here: http://astrologue.sitesled.com/essays/018.html

Radu

01-09-2006, 07:25 AM

Hi Chris and welcome on this forum

This is a great paper, a very good review of astroogy history on this subject. Now I'd like to ask you what do YOU think about the Aquarius Age?

Radu

Chris Brennan

01-09-2006, 04:45 PM

What do I think? I think that its not going to be anything like what many astrologers have been saying it will be like. I think that Aquarius is a fixed air sign that is ruled by Saturn. I think that it will be much like the last several thousand years for humanity- a mixed bag.

Kite

01-09-2006, 08:20 PM

Well Chris - I read this as saying the Aquarian Age won't be like the New Age astrologers are saying based on the paper you wrote.

I think we could all agree that nobody really knows how this shift will play out. I think we can also agree that anything is possibe. If anything is possible then perhaps it better serves us to visualize positive change as opposed to a mixed bag of same old stuff. As we've all seen, there have been some very heavy things coming down very quickly such as the weather changes and scarcity of resources. As these things accelerate (I've heard nothing to make me believe they won't), then there will be some Chaos (the Uranus side of Aquarius you left out) and there will be a need to make changes and new choices in where to live and how to live.

Status quo is no longer a given in the world we are currently a part of. Astrologers struggle to makes sense out of the times they live in - new planets and asteroids appear that add new dimensions to the art and science of this craft.

If you want to think in status quo terms that's your perogative. You better fasten your seat belts though. 8)

Chris Brennan

01-09-2006, 08:31 PM

Meh.

Who said anything is possible? I'd rather be realistic than hold onto overly idealistic millenarian fantasies of everyone in the world getting together to hold hands and sing kumbaya.

Kite

01-09-2006, 08:38 PM

It sounds like you'ld rather be an academic and a critic rather than a practicing astrolger.

Chris Brennan

01-09-2006, 08:51 PM

If studying the development of the tradition academically and trying to make objective assessments of specific techniques such as precession makes me a critic, then yeah, I guess I am. That doesn't say anything about my position as a practicing astrologer though, except perhaps that I'm more inclined to 'tell it as it is' and not let my religious beliefs cloud my interpretations of astrological phenomena.

Kite

01-09-2006, 08:55 PM

Well we've only heard what you've told us the Aquarian Age is not. You offered up same old thing as the last few thousand years. To me that makes you a critic, a reductionist one at that. Pretty boring. Shed some light on something for us as opposed to poking around and looking for ones to blow out.

Chris Brennan

01-09-2006, 09:03 PM

The follow up paper that I'm working on in my spare time between classes is to take the phenomena of precession and apply it in a more specific manner in the way that Jung and Hand started to. Basically I'm looking at the vernal point for when it aligns with specific fixed stars due to precession and then looking for correlations between the nature of those specific fixed stars and world events during that time period. Hand had some success with this, but he didn't apply it as extensively as he could have and he didn't make any predictions about the future based off of it. I don't think that we should be looking to the nature of the sign for our information about an astrological age per se, because I'm not sure that the sidereal zodiac has the same qualities as the tropical zodiac. What I think should be examined is the ingresses of specific fixed stars over the vernal point and into other tropical signs. For example, the fixed star regulus is about to move into the tropical sign Virgo sometime around 2010. This type of application is much more specific though, and it doesn't really break things up into broad 'Ages' per se.

Kite

01-09-2006, 09:16 PM

Sounds like a worthy study. I can see that perhaps this generalization of the times we live in as "The Aquarian Age" might be pushing your buttons somewhat because of the incongruencies you see between the systems along with the unproved promises made by the metaphysicians of the past couple of hundred years.

I would join you in wanting to make sure that I'm not hanging my hat on some pie in the sky dream destined to fall apart. I do however believe in listening to ones intuition as much if not more than one's intellect.

There are some sensitives in this community who can feel something very dramitic occuring and escalating into the next few years. A lot of this is tied to the Mayan calendar and many other ancient prophesies globally - not just Astrology and the Aquarian Age banner. Perhaps this topic should be called New Age Astrology as opposed to Astrology in the Aquarian Age so as to not elevate Aquarius above any other sign (although it is my rising sign so I am somewhat beholden to it).

Radu

01-09-2006, 09:27 PM

That's an interesting topic. For instance I noticed that the Galactic Center (center of gravity of our galaxy) entered Sagitarius (which is about religion) in the summer of the year 65 AD. After 65 AD Christianity passed from Jewish to gentile dominance.

I'm not into sidereal astrology at all because I don't think it works. My common sense tells me that if tropical astrology works this well without any thoughts to the vernal point, it basically means that it has nothing to do with the constellations. Actually, what we currently call a constellation is just a group of stars, figured out by people staring to the night sky. It doesn't necessarily mean that the stars are meant to be grouped into constellation. I rather prefer to think of sectors of the sky rather than constellations.
Take the Moon mansions for instance. They are sectors of the sky also, but they're not related to the constellations.

Chris Brennan

01-09-2006, 09:33 PM

Totally.

Are you talking about the Nakshatras?

Radu

01-09-2006, 10:21 PM

Yes, but I was referring to their Arabic version (28 in number). Nakshatras (27) are from the Vedic tradition.

Anonymous

01-25-2006, 03:08 PM

:D... thank you Elianah for your information...does anyone else find the sync between the Mayan calendar and the Aquarian transits interesting? :idea:

Laura Elizabeth

04-17-2006, 07:21 PM

That's an interesting topic. For instance I noticed that the Galactic Center (center of gravity of our galaxy) entered Sagitarius (which is about religion) in the summer of the year 65 AD. After 65 AD Christianity passed from Jewish to gentile dominance.

This is slightly off-topic, but your comment above is a close as I can get to finding the right place to ask my question:

The re-appearing of the gnostic gospels (Dead Sea Scrolls) after the end of the second world war - where's the connection from their first writings and coming out now? What I'm trying to piece together in my own head is how they're inter-related (if, indeed, they are). Civilizations seem to have 500 year (plus or minus) cycles of death and rebirth and I'm fairly certain (Aquarian Age notwithstanding) we're at the beginning of a Renaissance, similar to the last one (printing press = internet). So, if 2000 years ago, the gnostic gospels we're driven underground, to hid their truths, why are they re-appearing now? Why not five hundred years ago, or 1,000 or 1,500? What is the astrological trigger for this?

I don't have the exact date, but the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in December 1947. Pluto was at 14 Leo, Neptune at 12 Libra, Uranus at 24 Gemini. I can't remember when the Da Vinci Code was published, but according to Amazon.com, it was March 18, 2003 - Pluto at 19 Sag, Neptune at 12 Aquarius, Uranus at 0 Pisces. I think there's a trigger here, with the outer planets, but I'm not sure. I keep scanning historical empherides (in 65 CE Pluto at 4 Aquarius, Neptune at 7 Aries and Uranus at 10 Capricorn - I don't see a connection to the reappearance of the gnostic gospels), but I'm not coming up with great insights.

I'm sorry, I know my post is... um... incomprehensible?? :D There's something tickling the back of my brain and I can't figure out what it is.

And, my question(s) isn't just to Radu, but to anyone who wants to comment.

Laura Elizabeth

04-17-2006, 07:28 PM

Double posting - sorry

Laura Elizabeth

04-17-2006, 07:29 PM

Ditto

I don't know how I managed that one :mrgreen:

Kite

04-17-2006, 07:59 PM

Laura Elizabeth,

Please see Star of Bethlehem (http://www.shaka.com/~johnboy/pageone.htg/pageone.htm) and Harmonic Concordance Chart of 2003 (http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/__JM1.htm)

Although the Dead Sea Scrolls were found in 1947, their content has been pieced together for some time. It's only recently that we've gotten a new Issiah for instance with Greg Braden's Issiah Effect book and the new Judas Gospel. Thomas has been around for awhile but really the mass consciousness for these alternative gospels hit full steam at around the same time as the Harmonic Concordance chart and the Da Vinci code reached critical mass with the help of a Tv special in November of that year

"In November came another bonus: ABC aired a primetime special called "Jesus, Mary, and Da Vinci," which seriously considered the historical ideas in the book. Brown appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" in the morning, the special aired that night, and Rubin says the one-two punch drove sales through the roof, 34 weeks after publication day. "

My theory is that the original Christianity was too esoteric to be truly understood by anyone except the most initiated. The Bethlehem chart features a Grand Cross which the Harmonic Concordance chart does not but it does feature Chiron - the Raibow bridge which allows all of us to be initiates if we choose to grasp it's "key" to the mysteries.

Kite

Lapis

04-17-2006, 11:42 PM

"Time was winding down to Zero Point, (the reversal of time existing between 1 B.C. and 1 A.D.) and everybody was waiting for the gods. The world was outrageously pagan and polytheistic, and there was a temple for every god everywhere on the planet. I, Tzolk'in, knew that the Age of Pisces was about to begin, an age when humans would process their deepest feelings for 2000 years after 24,000 years of evolution. These feelings had to be purified so their bodies would be able to handle the intense kundalini energy in the Age of Aquarius to follow. Then a nine-dimensional human in incarnational form - a fully human Maya - would have to be calibrated into the Earth to hold the field in his body during Zero Point. This had never happened before in the third dimension, and even I, Tzolk'in, was amazed by such an idea. Yet for you to become intentional humans, you had to first EXPERIENCE this kind of human. Therefore Christ was brought into the the planet at Teotihuacan as he was born in physical body in Palestine. His light body- ka- was implaned at Teotihuacan where many stellar representatives could work with him as he wove all nine dimensions into the planetary field. Christ actually came into each of the nine dimensions of Earth; his implantation in Mexico was his eigth-dimensional form- his form that works with galactic structures. Teotihuacan has many different kinds of temples - Pyramid of the Sun, Temple of the Moon, Temple of the Quetzal Butterfly, Temple of the Plumed Shell- that hold all nine dimensions in form."

This was just a tiny bit from The Pleiadian Agenda - A New Cosmology for the Age of Light 1995 by Barbara Hand Clow.

[Moderator edit - due to Copyright protection (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/announcement.php?f=79).]

Kite

04-17-2006, 11:58 PM

Hey Lapis - thanks for the quote!

Yes, the journey continues to boggle the mind. I think I ordered about 6 books today on the Mayan calendar and am in conversations with two authors, Calleman and Pinchbeck (his book on 2012 comes out next month).

I can believe that I've pretty much ignored all this Mayan stuff as superstitious apocalypse theory until pretty much this past year. Here's another great link that ties into the geometry and synchronicities of this Age of Aquarius discussion. The Mayan Connection (http://www.timestar.org/kosmic1.htm)

I'll cross post this in the ET thread as well.

Kite

Lapis

04-18-2006, 12:29 AM

Kite,

The first time I read your line about "Indigos being freedom junkies" I laughed out loud because I can SO relate. Like Marciniak's channeled Pleiadian group calling some of us "System Busters"....... same thing to me! I just really enjoyed the way you said it.

I swear you must be as good a 'Sender' as I am a 'Receiver' because no matter what it seems, I feel and hear you at that level most of the time. Its happened so many times now there's no doubt in my mind any longer that you and I have an invisible etheric string with 2 small tin cans at both ends stretched between us!!! :lol:

I should have know that I was quoting all that B. H. Clow Mayan Star info because of you! Like I mentioned before about you getting it (pretty great huh?), there's things in it that will instantly make sense to you. Very personal things, just like it did for me. That's the only book I've found so far that containes some exact information about very specific events, energies and star beings/systems that I'd remembered for most of my life! It was a gift from the higher dimensions when I connected with it. I wasn't so alone with my strange memories and knowings any longer.

I'm off to read the "Mayan Connection" you left. :)

Kite

04-18-2006, 12:57 AM

Lapis,

Unfortunately, I'm a great sender and became aware of that talent/curse 28 years ago when a clairvoyant read my aura (indigo primary color then btw but I had no clue of significance). ANyway, I had to learn very quickly to be careful with my thoughts as even "normal" people could feel what I was thinking. It really sucked actually but did force me to deal with a lot of stuff so as not to "infect" others.

Hey, I tried to get in conact with BH Clow to discuss my UFO experience and atrological synchronicity and connections with P's. Somehow I got it into my mind that she's Rob Hand's sister. So I wrote Rob and he told me not so. She seems to be undercover with her e-mail so maybe you might know some P's that could add some insight since we are so tightly "tin canned" to each other :wink:

Anyway, I guess I'm supposed to be on this quest for now and will continue to "sync" up with what's needed so if your associates or yourself want to withhold, I can certainly understand....I feel another quote coming on...oh rats, I already use that one in my signature!

Kite

Lapis

04-18-2006, 02:45 AM

Kite,

I don't know how to get in touch with Barbara Hand Clow. I couldn't find anything at her site either.

I remember reading somewhere, in one of her books I think, where she mentioned one of her brothers as "Rob" so I assumed that this was Robert Hand. Now I'm not sure either....? :?

I'm not sure what you meant by??? "....so if your associates or yourself want to withhold, I can certainly understand....."

There's a lot of info in her Pleiadian Agenda book that talks about the Nibiru/Anunnaki/Hebrews-"Hibiru" which was why I was prompted to suggest this book to you now. I sense its private for you (I'm not Jewish as you know) and that's why I haven't said anymore about that. I hope I haven't made you feel like I am withholding anything from you?!

Kite

04-18-2006, 02:55 AM

No no no, I was trying to get a hold of her to try to see if the UFO sighting I had was indeed picturing the Pleaides in the sky. I figured maybe you might receive some information about that..or might not since I seem to be led into all of these other areas. I've posted the images in the ET thread.

Yes the Hibiru information is hard to handle but this is not the first time I've been exposed to it so no worries there. I thought Barbara handled the material responsibly. I wish I could say the same of others who have referenced these accounts. Sitchen is very factual with his work but a few people affiliated with Flower of Life movement are very judgemental in their references almost to point of anti-semitism.

I believe all of this happened as part of a higher plan where duality has no part. It might be worth a discussion thread at some point.

Kite

Laura Elizabeth

04-18-2006, 07:12 PM

Lapis

04-18-2006, 07:16 PM

Kite,

I'm relieved. Like I've mentioned before, I have a huge connection to Orion so in my own way I understand. :wink: I haven't read any of the 'Flower of Life' stuff simply because it never called out to me. Thanks for that validation. And I know you're very right about it all being part of a much higher plane. From 8D to 4D to 3D is a huge learning.......and risk!

Sorry All for getting off-thread a bit! Back to the ET thread with this.

Lapis

11-19-2006, 10:25 PM

:aquarius:

*The bottom line or energy Wave represents life in physical 3D reality. The old human human.

*The seemingly empty space inbetween the 2 lines or Waves of energy, represents 4D or the whole astral plane.

*The top energy Wave represents the 5th dimension (5D), a much less dense reality that vibrates faster than the lower line or Wave. The potential new Cosmic human or human carrying far more Light.

What's being called "Ascension" has to do with much of humanity now going through the beginning phases of being in the bottom line/reality and moving through working and transmuting the space inbetween - all the astral plane junk. The continued process of repeatedly doing this is what slowly vibrates one into the upper or 5D line or energy Wave. This process is IMO the primary purpose of the Age of Aquarius. It may require the full 2,100+ years for those able to make the switch over, or it may happen in a typical Uranian sort of way!?

I received this understanding, this symbology, from one of my short journeys into that upper 5D energy Aquarian Wave....what will become life/reality in the Age of Aquarius if you've transmuted the seemingly empty space inbetween. This one was for you Radu. :)