spooky vertex aspects :O

[Moulin]

Hi ppl

Does anyone else find this spooky? I can post the chart if it is preferred.

I have this in synastry with a man l have been unable to totally get out of my mind for years. We have had 2 affairs and just met recently for dinner, having not seen each other for 10 years. Everytime we meet up the energy and chemistry is still there... is it our vertex/asc links causing it please?

May l ask what you all think of this -

his vertex conjunct his venus/mercury and conjunct my ascendant 0 deg
my vertex conjunct my pluto/uranus and conjunct his ascendant 1 deg and his uranus/pluto
!!!!!

my vertex is in my 7th house and his is in his 6th house.

Our anti-vertex's conjunct each others vertex's as our ascendants are opposing each other by 6 deg LOL

Seems kinda strange, no? It's freaking me out and l don't know what it means!!!

Thank you :)

[SimplyRed]

Vertex could do that. It is very magnetic.
The pluto can be magnetic as well.

How are the Mars and Venus?

Seems like you have opposing houses in synastry. that happens often in couples. However, if there is too much Uranus in the synastry or composite, relationship will tend come and go. If a saturn trine somewhere, it could solidify it.
Much goes into synastry and composites about the relationship.

Just be wary of any harsh Neptune aspects to the personal planets. sun, venus, mars, moon, and mercury. deception, or an eventual letdown

[Moulin]

Vertex could do that. It is very magnetic.
The pluto can be magnetic as well.

How are the Mars and Venus?

Seems like you have opposing houses in synastry. that happens often in couples. However, if there is too much Uranus in the synastry or composite, relationship will tend come and go. If a saturn trine somewhere, it could solidify it.
Much goes into synastry and composites about the relationship.

Just be wary of any harsh Neptune aspects to the personal planets. sun, venus, mars, moon, and mercury. deception, or an eventual letdown

Hi simplyred :)

Thanks for replying to my post... his saturn is conjunct my moon/venus/saturn/n node as only aspects!
My saturn is conjunct his sun, semisextile his merc/venus, trine his jupiter, conjunct his n node exact, opposite his PofF, semisextile his vertex and sextile his MC

my Neptune harsh aspects to him:
semisquare sun
square jupiter
conjunct neptune exact
conjunct psyche

his neptune harsh asp to me:
opp mars
square jupiter exact

actually is it easier if l just post the chart lol
as sun/moons are conjunct, venus/mars is sextile, venus/moon conjunct, n node conjunct moon exact/venus/saturn exact/ n node exact

yes, the houses are opposing in synastry and we both have stelliums in aries :eek:
in fact most of my planets are in his 7th/8th houses and most of his are in my 1st house - along with my aries stellium...

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee149/larita26/psychick.gif

[mdinaz]

I'd be more interested in seeing where your composite vertex is in relation to everything else. Post a composite chart with the vertex and we can look at that - that will tell much more.

[Moulin]

Thank you Mdinaz :)

Here is the composite. Hopefully this will give a reason why this man and l still have such an attraction after 20+ years since our first affair. Maybe even it shows a possibility of a future relationship... who knows!

The vertex aspects seem to have composed into the 7th house now !

Any info welcome :)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee149/larita26/moulin_man_composite.gif

[mdinaz]

Well attractions are always there, the synastry between the two natal and progressed charts will show those, as well as the aspects in the composite. What you're looking for is timing or reasons.

Vertex in the 7th is certainly something to look at, as well as its trine to the node in the 10th. Both of my ex-marriages had node in the 10th, as well as the relationship I'm in now, while other long terms that I did not marry did not have node in the 10th. You also want to look at what the transiting planets are doing. Pluto crossed the 7th a couple years ago and will transiting the 7th for a long time to come. I would have thought that if marriage was to happen, it would have happened several years ago when Pluto crossed the 7th, square Pluto and Uranus on the IC and trine the Node. That was prime territory, except that Saturn was there, even in trine, keeping a lid on things. It could have been easily overcome, just required some effort on both parties.

The next critical period will be Spring of next year and through 2009, when Uranus crosses the MC, semi-sextile the node and square the vertex and transiting node is trine the sun. I met my current karmic sweetheart when uranus was conjunct our MC and node (within a few minutes), and Pluto hitting the 7th house cusp and Jupiter moving into the 7th next month. Transiting Node will then trine my own vertex and Uranus will trine our composite vertex, all this when our baby is due. My point: Uranus, the vertex and node trigger major events in the composite, and you'll have that all through next year.

Your only impediment is that Saturn is involved in all these aspects, even if harmonious - Saturn can stall, delay, or slow things down. With composite Saturn conjunct the node, the basic lesson here for you two is that nothing will ever change between you two unless one of you takes major action and MAKES it happen. The elements will be in place next year for one of you to do that (based on your own natal/progressions and solar returns of course).
So one or both of you will have to make a move. You have the properties in place to make it a good relationship, although it may be unconventional (as it is already) with Uranus right on the IC.

[Moulin]

Thanks a million Mdinaz... so informative. I need to digest it :)

I will look at transits and progressions too!

Yes the Uranus right on the IC is a little unsteadying... but we both love our freedom so it might work. I think Saturn is good though no, as it gives longevity?

WOW

Thank you so much. I am happy that Vertex is nothing to worry about and that the aspects are pretty workable. It's been a long time since l have had good synastry with another person :D
I need a lucky break.

God bless x

[mdinaz]

They say Saturn gives longevity, but I don't know about that. I think all Saturn does is make things more difficult to change. A steady stable good relationship is really not any different than a steady stable bad relationship, Saturn-wise. My ex and I had Saturn conjunct the Sun in the composite, and our relationship was anything but stable, and didn't last long either. But it was certainly difficult to change. I think the Saturn conjunct your Node is telling you that - the lesson to learn is that in this particular relationship, things will never change (for better or worse) unless one of you makes a major effort to effect that change. Next year there will be triggers that can make that change happen, whether for good or bad.

[Moulin]

Thank you MDINAZ

I think you are right about that Saturn/n node conjunct. Shame as l think the rest of the chart looks pretty good! ;)

[mdinaz]

Hey, there's no such thing as a "perfect" chart. If there was nothing to learn, there would be no reason to be together. Trust me - if the chart were nothing but trines, you'd be bored stiff after a couple weeks! :)

[Moulin]

Couldn't agree more :)

It's annoying though that the one aspect l don't need there is the saturn/n node conj LOL

Simply cos as you say, it seems to be indicative of a relationship "never getting off the ground"

May l ask you MDINAZ, do you think opposites attracting or immense similarity such as my synastry are more common in synastry charts?

I always used to think opposites although there is a comfort and ease of communication with similarity and as l get older l do almost anything not to fight or have 'silent pauses' within a partnership.

I love adventure and spontaneity and surprise but not the grating opposition, inability to understand without having to tune in or think about it consciously. Its nice sometimes just to drift and be as one.

Is this universal or just my Pisces ascendant becoming more prominent pls.:D

[mdinaz]

Couldn't agree more :)

It's annoying though that the one aspect l don't need there is the saturn/n node conj LOL

Simply cos as you say, it seems to be indicative of a relationship "never getting off the ground"

May l ask you MDINAZ, do you think opposites attracting or immense similarity such as my synastry are more common in synastry charts?

I always used to think opposites although there is a comfort and ease of communication with similarity and as l get older l do almost anything not to fight or have 'silent pauses' within a partnership.

I love adventure and spontaneity and surprise but not the grating opposition, inability to understand without having to tune in or think about it consciously. Its nice sometimes just to drift and be as one.

Is this universal or just my Pisces ascendant becoming more prominent pls.:D

Hard to say since many people marry their high school or college sweethearts, who tend to be the same age. Yours is a little different since there's less than a month between you, which I would think is pretty rare. I've dated many people since high school and the closest in age that I've been with anyone has probably only been about a year and a half. 3-5 years difference is typical for me.

Your ASC is in Pisces, but it's progressed now to be in Taurus, so you'd like to reflect some stability. But that means your 7th will have moved to Scorpio, and you are looking for transformation now. Your Sun will be in late Gemini, and moving into a conjunct with your IC, so you will want a lively home life. I'm thinking that a staid, boring home life will just not suit you at this time. This doesn't mean that there has to be dissension or fighting, but I think a square here or an opposition there will do you some good. :)

[Regen11]

Hi, Moulin,

I would like to note that the Vx always falls between the 5-8th houses. There's not much research on it, but the tentative conclusion is that the Vx and the antivertex point to something karmic. Most astrologers also only use the conjunction to the Vx or Anti-Vx.

Because you and he are born within a month of the same year, much of the outside planets are in similar degrees and signs. He has a Ven-Pluto opposition which lies on your AC/DC line, and which is thus triggered by people born around your time-- the sexual passion, intensity and maybe even obsession colors his (sexual) encounters with women. His Ven is also in opposition to Uranus, which may connote instability in love-- and because Uranus is in your 7th house, which colors your one-to-one relationships, your more legally binding relationships will have that Plutonian and Uranian tone. The attraction with each other is thus heavily affected by the AC/DC opposition that you have w/ one another. Your Mars also looks (I don't know the degrees) like it sextiles his Venus / AC, which adds to the sexual chemistry. You're looking for that Uranus / Pluto energy in partners, and you may be attracted to him because he gives off that energy (since his AC conjuncts Uranus & Pluto).

If he is ruled by the 5th house, your 5th house ruler is the Moon, which appears to conjunct your Saturn, Venus, and the North Node-- all in Aries. Mars rules Aries, which his Sun and yours and his stellium is also ruled by-- another indication of the attraction. Your more "recreational" (as described by the 5th house) love may be colored by emotional impulsiveness. His 5th house is in Cap/Aqu, which are ruled by Saturn and Uranus. His Saturn also conjuncts your Moon, and his Uranus conjuncts your DC. The meeting each other once in awhile is probably due to the Uranus planet in your synastry chart.

Transit-wise, Mars is currently retrograding in Cancer and will station in Gemini and progress again in January 30, 2008 and return to its normal position before the retrograde in May, I believe. It's probably time to re-think how to approach this love affair-- though its retrograde is mostly in your 4th house. Saturn is also transiting in Virgo and will soon be creeping its way up to your 7th house around summer time of 2008, which force you to look at your one-to-one relationships and commitment more carefully. Then in 2011, I think, Uranus will be transiting in Aries-- so that should be interesting. But its current transit just recently moved forward from a retrograde, which I think may conjunct your AC-- hence the meeting again.

Hope that helps!

[mdinaz]

True on the vertex, but in composite charts in can show up in other houses. My two ex-es and I had composite vertex in the 1st, while my current sweetheart and I have it in the 7th, and another past love and I had it in the 11th. In composites I will use the five main aspects (conj, square, opp, trine, and sextile) as I've noticed a number of major life events triggered when an outer planet like Pluto or Uranus has hit the vertex in any of those aspects, but I keep the orbs very tight, typically 1.5 degrees or less.

[Moulin]

Hi, Moulin,

I would like to note that the Vx always falls between the 5-8th houses. There's not much research on it, but the tentative conclusion is that the Vx and the antivertex point to something karmic. Most astrologers also only use the conjunction to the Vx or Anti-Vx.

Because you and he are born within a month of the same year, much of the outside planets are in similar degrees and signs. He has a Ven-Pluto opposition which lies on your AC/DC line, and which is thus triggered by people born around your time-- the sexual passion, intensity and maybe even obsession colors his (sexual) encounters with women. His Ven is also in opposition to Uranus, which may connote instability in love-- and because Uranus is in your 7th house, which colors your one-to-one relationships, your more legally binding relationships will have that Plutonian and Uranian tone. The attraction with each other is thus heavily affected by the AC/DC opposition that you have w/ one another. Your Mars also looks (I don't know the degrees) like it sextiles his Venus / AC, which adds to the sexual chemistry. You're looking for that Uranus / Pluto energy in partners, and you may be attracted to him because he gives off that energy (since his AC conjuncts Uranus & Pluto).

If he is ruled by the 5th house, your 5th house ruler is the Moon, which appears to conjunct your Saturn, Venus, and the North Node-- all in Aries. Mars rules Aries, which his Sun and yours and his stellium is also ruled by-- another indication of the attraction. Your more "recreational" (as described by the 5th house) love may be colored by emotional impulsiveness. His 5th house is in Cap/Aqu, which are ruled by Saturn and Uranus. His Saturn also conjuncts your Moon, and his Uranus conjuncts your DC. The meeting each other once in awhile is probably due to the Uranus planet in your synastry chart.

Transit-wise, Mars is currently retrograding in Cancer and will station in Gemini and progress again in January 30, 2008 and return to its normal position before the retrograde in May, I believe. It's probably time to re-think how to approach this love affair-- though its retrograde is mostly in your 4th house. Saturn is also transiting in Virgo and will soon be creeping its way up to your 7th house around summer time of 2008, which force you to look at your one-to-one relationships and commitment more carefully. Then in 2011, I think, Uranus will be transiting in Aries-- so that should be interesting. But its current transit just recently moved forward from a retrograde, which I think may conjunct your AC-- hence the meeting again.

Hope that helps!

WOW. It more than helps Regen11... it just makes total sense. Every relationship l have will be affected by my uranus on the DC though, won't it :(

The pluto/uranus energy is something l never thought of before!!! No wonder l can't stop myself. So would it be the same for him then, seeing as my pulto/uranus is on his descendant too!!!

Is the AC/DC opposition good or bad please? :)

These are the majors aspects we have:

His sun conjunct my moon/saturn/chiron/PF
His moon conjunct my sun/moon/mercury/venus and trine my jupiter
His mercury conjunct my AC and opposes my uranus/pluto
His venus sextile my mars, opposes my uranus/pluto, trine my neptune and conjunct my AC
His mars conjunct my sun/mercury, trine my jupiter/MC
His jupiter trine my sun/moon/venus/MC, square my mars/neptune, conjunct my jupiter
His saturn conjunct my moon/venus/saturn/n node/
His n node conjunct my moon/venus/saturn

Pluto and uranus aspects self explanatory.

I wonder if this is a healthy relationship because of the uranus/pluto pull. I would have thought it is unusual to find a partner whom is the exact opposite on the chart to oneself. ie. his uranus/pluto need in relationships being on my 7th house and so my need too.

Maybe he is one of the few guys it would work with for me?

Anyone have any insights into whether its good for both of our independent selves or whether we would just end up hurting each other from both being SO inpdendent and commitment phobic.

Thing is, personally l want that passionate and full-on relationship without feeling like l am owned or hemmed in. So hard for men to understand that about me :(

Thank you :)

ps. 2011 is a long way off but it is interesting. Uranus will hit every personal planet l have, one after the other!!! :eek: