Seducing a Scorpio Woman...

[iconic9]

Hey all, I am new to this forum, but it seemed an ideal place to post, I need help in a bad way.

I have a good friend, in fact my best friend who I have secretly been infatuated with for years, but for one reason or another, physical distance or one or both of us in other relationships I never pursued her... until recently. In the last year I tore my heart out, put it on the table and spilt my guts out. And here is the problem... right now 10,000 miles and 2 hemispheres separate us right now, thruout our entire 10 year relationship it has been this cosmic push pull attraction and orbit. We talk nearly every night for HOURS, and she will be back home at the end of the year and work wise I will have much more freedom and financial assets by that time. Both of us are super A types, and we both think the absolute world of each other, but despite all of this she still thinks of me more platonic than not, yet when I ask her if I should stop my advances she tells me to follow my heart wherever it takes me, and of course I don't want to stop despite the pain it cuases me daily. We have the most beautiful relationship of mutual understanding and healing between us for the most but as much as she lights my heart on fire, routinely I am hurt. But even more amazing is it seems impossible for us to hurt each other as we feed off of the mutual healing we give each other.

I have a feeling that deep down there is an inexorable draw, but I feel as if something is holding her back from loving not just me, but anyone completely. What do I need to do to make this wonderful Scorpio Woman fall in love with me, a Virgo Man with a strong Stellium in the 8th House. Or short of that, what can I do for her to make her happy?

Please Help!

[Kingsley]

I have seduced a few scorpios and lived to tell the tail (tale).

Cooking them dinner and then having sex on the couch worked.
Seducing my landlady Scorpio woman by (accidently) sitting on some steps after taking a shower with towel wrapped around my waist. I didn't realise my revelation to her (maybe unconscious thing) however that did it!

Telling them they are beauitiful and intelligent in the same breathe works. Rawness of emotional outpourings followed by a gentle kiss on her cheek will do it! It seems that you will benefit by getting closer to her and telling her about your sexual fantasies. She likes to have fun and play with that Moon in Leo of hers.

She seems to have Mars at Mc and you have Uranus at Mc. How can you bring the focus of individuality and careers together and create a bang? (Sorry) I can't see other aspects in the biwheel so clearly but if I was looking at two individual charts I would certainly pay attention to those elevated Planets. Her 5th house ruler is at Mc! You have Mars in seventh.

Most relationships (7th house kind) start in the 5th house. I would say thats where one must begin with this Scorpio gal.

kingsley

[Catatonia]

I have seduced a few scorpios and lived to tell the tail (tale).

Cooking them dinner and then having sex on the couch worked.
Seducing my landlady Scorpio woman by (accidently) sitting on some steps after taking a shower with towel wrapped around my waist. I didn't realise my revelation to her (maybe unconscious thing) however that did it!

Telling them they are beauitiful and intelligent in the same breathe works. Rawness of emotional outpourings followed by a gentle kiss on her cheek will do it! It seems that you will benefit by getting closer to her and telling her about your sexual fantasies. She likes to have fun and play with that Moon in Leo of hers.

She seems to have Mars at Mc and you have Uranus at Mc. How can you bring the focus of individuality and careers together and create a bang? (Sorry) I can't see other aspects in the biwheel so clearly but if I was looking at two individual charts I would certainly pay attention to those elevated Planets. Her 5th house ruler is at Mc! You have Mars in seventh.

[non-astrological comments deleted - Moderator]

Be honest with her. Scorps love truth, and if you lie to her she'll eventually figure it out if she doesn't on the spot. You want a booty call? Tell her. You want to tell her she's your world? Tell her. Do you care about her individuality and career? Tell her, and if you don't, she'll see that. Scorpios are all "seduced" by sexual behavior just like any other human being. :rolleyes: It certainly takes the right person.

Anyway, her Neptune in the 1st house probably makes for a lovey dovey dreamy personality. If you're truthful about how you feel for her, she'll likely take to it. Better than just trying to 'seduce' her, isn't it? This way, you won't leave a stone unturned and get it the way it is directly rather than trying to figure it out.

[wilsontc]

iconic,

You said:
when I ask her if I should stop my advances she tells me to follow my heart wherever it takes me

Looking at the synastry chart by itself, it appears that there are a lot of strong connections between you, many of them "easy connections" (i.e., the blue lines), indicating you have an easy relationship. However, looking at the Composite chart (chart of the relationship itself), most of the focus is in the "Universal" houses (houses 9-12). This is the area of the chart that is about things that go beyond the personal and being sociable. So when you are together you focus on "world issues" and less on personal or inter-relational things.

Looking at your chart, you have more energy focused on the top (outer world) right (others) part of your chart, indicating you use your relationships with others to do things for them in the outer world. She has most of her energy on the top left (self) side of the chart, so she wants to do things herself in the outer world. Since she is self focused, she is more likely to do things for herself, so if you want something to happen between you...you are going to have to do it! Since she urges you to "follow your heart" when you talk about your "advances", she is giving you the green light to do something to get her attention.

But, as Catatonia mentions, make sure when you get her attention that you don't waste her time. Let her know your passion and desire. And, with North node (future goals) focused in the 8th house (transformation, also sex), she might be interested.

You are strongly connected, but the overall relationship is about things beyond the interpersonal. She focuses on herself and needs someone to focus in on her and her needs. You naturally focus on others, so this should be easy for you to do.

Good luck! :)

Tim

[iconic9]

If you're truthful about how you feel for her, she'll likely take to it. Better than just trying to 'seduce' her, isn't it? This way, you won't leave a stone unturned and get it the way it is directly rather than trying to figure it out.
No, I am not just trying to get in her pants, she is my best friend. Of course I am not completely full of honorable intentions though. :p I don't want to "trick" her into falling for me, but I think there is something holding her back, not for just me, but for any relationship. Maybe even some emotional scaring preventing her from getting too close, I'd like to help her with that.


Since she is self focused, she is more likely to do things for herself, so if you want something to happen between you...you are going to have to do it! Since she urges you to "follow your heart" when you talk about your "advances", she is giving you the green light to do something to get her attention.

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She focuses on herself and needs someone to focus in on her and her needs. You naturally focus on others, so this should be easy for you to do.
I think that is a good read, I was thinking much the same thing. She has always inspired me me to follow my passions and has been a real teacher in that regard. Shes managed to crack my shell, I just have to show her that she can trust herself, and show her that the passion I feel for her isn't short lived, and it is something that just keeps growing. Its kind of funny in a sick way but everytime I crash I think deep down and discover that I want her more than before. I guess I am a glutton for punishment!

[Catatonia]

No, I am not just trying to get in her pants, she is my best friend. Of course I am not completely full of honorable intentions though. :p I don't want to "trick" her into falling for me, but I think there is something holding her back, not for just me, but for any relationship. Maybe even some emotional scaring preventing her from getting too close, I'd like to help her with that.

Thanks for the completely sincere "My intentions aren't completely honorable" and all..

Listen, do yourself and your already-in-a-difficult-situation Scorpio friend a favor and stop trying to skim around the obvious. Don't push her into something she's not ready to do, even if she likes you. Here's the point. If she really wanted to be with you by now she probably would've already been. If it isn't you but generalized about relationships, let her be. In the most likely case, she doesn't need your help. Scorpios have no trouble finding passion and going for relationships if they feel comfortable with the decision.

If she's emotionally scarred in her past relationships, you need to give her time to heal and if she still feels like being with you she will go back to you and make that clear. If she hasn't yet told you she wants to be romantically or sexually involved with you, she probably doesn't want that. So, uh, stop trying seduce her or whatever you're trying to do. Let her be.

Catatonia

[iconic9]

Thanks for the completely sincere "My intentions aren't completely honorable" and all..

Listen, do yourself and your already-in-a-difficult-situation Scorpio friend a favor and stop trying to skim around the obvious. Don't push her into something she's not ready to do, even if she likes you. Here's the point. If she really wanted to be with you by now she probably would've already been. If it isn't you but generalized about relationships, let her be. In the most likely case, she doesn't need your help. Scorpios have no trouble finding passion and going for relationships if they feel comfortable with the decision.

If she's emotionally scarred in her past relationships, you need to give her time to heal and if she still feels like being with you she will go back to you and make that clear. If she hasn't yet told you she wants to be romantically or sexually involved with you, she probably doesn't want that. So, uh, stop trying seduce her or whatever you're trying to do. Let her be.

Catatonia

I think you misinterpret my statement, by that what I mean, is that it isn't my intention to "just be friends", I don't care to "just sleep with her", in fact I would never dream it, I don't want to be "friend's with benefits" or even just hook up one night when drunk. I don't want to trick her, fool her, or otherwise decieve her. I love the girl. Period.

I myself just realized how strong my feelings were. In the past they existed more as a "what if" scenario. Neither of us have really been in a place since we have known each other to really explore this as an opportunity, either dating someone else, doing our own personal thing, separated by space and time. But int he last 6 months or so, we have bonded more, and its only in the last 2 months that I have told her how I feel. We are both young, I am only just 28 and she is 25.

But hey, maybe you are right, maybe she doesn't, maybe she needs to work out some of her demons. But as a friend wouldn't I be remiss by not trying to help her with that? And why would she tell me in effect to keep to my passion? the only explaination i can come up would be is if she intentionally wanted to hurt me, or if she was harboring something for me but couldn't reconcile it. I can't believe the first for a second. there may be something else at work here. I'll be happy wherever she finds love, but I hope she finds it with me.

[Kingsley]

What intrigues me about your line of astrological inquiry into relations with this woman is that I am not sure whether picking her chart for answers is helping you any. It might be better to look at your chart for areas involving relationships and attachments. In past years I have held a similar great love for someone and there was no way that this other person could match the intensity of my passion and desire for relationship. It was difficult for me to accept that. I am not saying that you will not have relations from the astrological perspective however that the reality of the situation is best kept in perspective. Lets face it, nothing is going to happen unless you can shift geographical locations to be together or at least give that an opportunity to work. Otherwise it will remain an intellectual relationship of sorts, by e mail. You would be giving your dissapointment a good run for some reason, if you you didn't plan to be in the same room together. That will bring us back to whether or not its her chart we should be discussing or in fact what your chart describes about relationships and attachments. I hope this doesn't get edited out because it sounds too much like therapy, the point I am making is that; how is looking at her chart going to help you? You can only be the things that your chart describes the potential for not something that will be good for her. She wont love you for finding ways to be her ideal partner thats for sure.

Be yourself! I am sure as Tim has said, that both charts do have the potential to 'fit together' but in all honesty its the independance or two charts working alongside each other (two individuals) that make good relations.

Equations

1 chart + 1 chart = 1 Chart (dependant relationship)

1 chart + 1 chart = 1 chart + 1 chart (two individuals in relationship)

kingsley

[Confidere]

I feel for you, I9. There's nothing like the feeling of being caught in the 'crosshairs' of a Scorpio woman.

I've taken the liberty of looking at your individual charts and the contacts between the two of you. Here's my take on your situation:

(1) She is actually the 'aggressor' in the relationship. I can guarantee she is not posting for advice. (Her Mars, your Saturn)
(2) You're frustrating her without realizing it . . . getting a grasp on what you want from her is like her attempting to grasp a handful of Jello.
(Her Mars, your Neptune)
(3) She loves the way you excite her out of the fixed mental ruts she finds herself in. (Her Mercury, your Uranus)
(4) You are wasting a lot of energy fantasizing about "seducing" her. It would appear that she in your life to aid you in focusing on your goals. Relax and enjoy her . . . (Her Saturn, your Pluto)

[iconic9]

Lets face it, nothing is going to happen unless you can shift geographical locations to be together or at least give that an opportunity to work.

Hmnn, I guess I didn't mention it... she will be back in 2 months. Also in two months i will be done with my current business and will also be mobile.

(:

Kingsley, I'll take your advice and look inward, believe me I have been doing a lot of that.

Thanks

[Kingsley]

Goodo Iconic, there is nothing like the challenge of becoming intimate with a very fine scorpio woman. And the journey there hitherto.

good luck

kingsley

[Kingsley]

Not to be a spoil sport, I do understand that you are genuinely looking for ways to help with the kind of relations you want fromn this woman. Its ok to get some tips to work with so that in practical situations you won't get stuck.

I know its not an easy thing to do, when someone just says "be yourself". Well, I am not so sure how your Sun/Saturn/Moon/Nodes actually works for you. Perhaps you really just don't know how to go about this meeting in a couple of months? I just don't really know. So I will let you be the judge of that and my suggestion is to know what this cluster of your personality is about and then practice the ok expressions of these. Reinforce and be good with your 8th house stuff. Is she into hiking?

kingsley

[iconic9]

Of course she likes hiking! But I think I know how to handle the actual meeting, the question is how do I lay the right groundwork?

I think I am no the right track, (talking to her right now) but any help at all would be appreciated.

I do think that alot of it may have to do with myself, I normally think of having a very good grip on who I am, but one thing I like about astrology whether it is valid or replicatable or not is that it allows tremendous introspection.

My 8th house stellium is a complete mystery for me, I can't seem to find anything credible on it anywhere. ):

[loonymoon]

I don't even know where to start about the 8th house. I have an 8th house stellium (but looking at your 8th house stellium mine looks like a breeze :p). So I've been reading about it a bit, not to mention living it.

Your 8th house stellium is extremely significant, it's the center of gravity of your chart, so I think you should try learning more about it and about Pluto and Mars, the natural rulers of the 8th house, with emphasis on Pluto. Not only your stellium includes so many elements, it has the most important elements - your Sun, your Moon and your chart ruler (Capricorn rising makes Saturn your chart ruler). It also has your North Node. And Saturn is always a very siginificant planet in any chart.

The 8th house has an afinity with Scorpio, so Scorpionic issues are relevant to this house. But 8th house people usually don't find Pluto's energy as available and natural to them as to Scorpios, don't utilize it naturally like Scorpios and often find that this transforming energy is somehow used "against" them, as external event, person or fate that causes transformation in the 8th house individual.

Usually they experience transformation through intimate relationships or attachments (which are 8th house issues as it relates to sex), even more so when Venus is involved, and your Venus is in Libra which deals with relationships, strengthening that theme. This usually come forth through crisis and pain such as rejection or loss, unequal relationship where one partner is being used and even abuse.

With your 8th house stellium your emotions can run very deep and be very intense, yet your "object of desire" might be unattainable in some way, even if you are together. Sometimes people with this placement are not aware of how deep and intense their feelings can be until faced with such intense crisis. There is a lot going on unconsciously that should be brought into awareness, dealt with and refined. This is an extremely powerful house that draws a person inwardly, sometimes by denying him the external objects he craves. You can't stay on the surface with an 8th house stellium, you have to look deep into yourself, the "skeletons in your closet", other people's "skeletons" or other matters that lay deep under the surface (like matters of life and death, the occult etc. Depends on the person).

Saturn in the 8th house makes you feel painfully vulnerable in intimate emotional or sexual relations and can be related with control issues - either you trying to control the environment and your feelings to avoid feeling so vulnerable or being controlled by others such as a lover in a sexual relationship. You fear change, yet your 8th house stellium has very strong desires and is seeking transfomational experiences which you resist. Your Saturn-Moon conjunction intensifies the emotional vulnerability issues and is very likely related to a childhood where you didn't experience much empathy or recognition in your emotional needs or had to mature too soon. It might be particularly related to your relationship with a maternal figure. Your Saturn-Sun conjunction is related to your relationship (or lack thereof) with a paternal figure. All in Virgo. You probably have a pretty thick shell. You might also replace strong emotional needs with strong materialistic ambitions (8th house in an earth sign + rising Capricorn) and hard work and have a realistic and even somewhat cynical viewpoint about life. But it won't make your emotional nature go away.

Your chart seems pretty serious with your Sun, Moon and Asc in earth signs and your intense 8th house stellium. I don't suppose you make decisions very lightly or impulsively. Your post title was indeed somewhat misleading - "seducing a Scorpio woman" did sound like you just want to get in her pants, but I guess, as you said, you really love this woman and the decision to try and turn your friendship into a relationship was not taken light-headedly. If I were you I would pursue it sensitively and patiently. She also has a Saturn-Moon aspect and worse yet - a Satrun-Venus square. There's probably some emotional vulnerability and fear and you may be right in your intuition that something is holding her back from relationships in general. Getting emotionally close could be difficult and scary for her and she might need reassurance, feeling safe and building trust in your feelings for her. However it doesn't guarantee that if she is going to try to have a relationship it's going to be with you.

[tikana]

lol every scorpio woman holds back

the best way to seduce a scorpio woman is BE MULTIDIMENTIONAL. Learn about different areas of life as much as possible and dont show any jelousy scenes cause that will make her think you are weak.

Tik

[fannie0303]

Hi Iconic:

Here are a few selected synastry aspects I looked up for you. Some are from www.astrology-numerology.com (http://www.astrology-numerology.com)

Your Moon trine her Venus This is one of the best combinations for a romantic attraction. You really enjoy each other's company. You are sexually attracted, and have a sympathetic, emotional harmony with each other. You enjoy an attitude of mutual consideration and kindness.
Her Moon Trine your Neptune
There is an intuitive understanding of each other that is caring and gentle. At times, you even seem to anticipate each other's moods and responses. You can think the same things or want to say the same words at the same time. You share an artistic attunement or at least a strong artistic appreciation. Although you will uncover your partner's blind spots, you know how to be understanding. "from Cafe Astrology".

Her Mars conjunct your Saturn Saturn tends to restrain Mars in this pairing, endeavoring to channel Mars into disciplined, purposeful work, especially along career and status lines. The Mars effect on Saturn is to help overcome unnecessary fear and inertia. Although these are two rather difficult planets to have in conjunction, in mature individuals they can work together to assist each individual, though there is likely to be somewhat opposing forces involved in the involvement of the pairing. This is not very favorable for marital relations because it can produce mutual conflict, jealousy, and resentment, and sometimes law suits. In marriages, the aspect usually denotes an obligation or a tone of responsibility associated with the match.
I interpret this connection as your Saturn (especialy in Virgo) is holding you back from assertively pursuing the relationship. "she tells me to follow my heart wherever it takes me". I think it is an invitation, for you to go for it, sort of a "give it your best shot" challenge.

Her Sun trine Your Mars This is a very active comparative combination showing mutual support and efforts toward mutual self-improvement and development. You are both ambitious and interested in improving your lives. There may be a strong sense of friendly competition in the relationship. The combination adds sexual attraction in a romantic relationship.
Your Venus sextile Her Uranus This aspect often produces an interesting and unusual friendship. It favors the mutual appreciation of art, music, science or other subjects and often produces romantic attractions. You were likely to meet through friends or group activities. In romantic or marital relationships there is a strong sexual, as well as a strong intellectual attraction. Your Mars trine Her Uranus This comparative combination denotes a mutual love of adventure and excitement. This is a stimulating association, especially for advanced thinking and breaking away from the dull and routine. You are exciting traveling companions and you won't get bored with each other. There is a significant degree of sexual attraction associated with this aspect.
Anyway, I have been studying synastry for quite a while now. I am not seeing alot of the aspects that would make for sexual attraction...that zip that will get the relationship off the ground in the first place. No mars/venus, venus/venus, mars/mars connections. On the plus side however, all of you Virgo Earth energy should be compatible with her Capricorn Venus, and Virgo Mars. Your venus is in Libra which seems to me that you might spend alot of time dreaming of romance. I think that with her Mars in Virgo...(I have that and it makes me very picky when it comes to men) and her Venus in Capricorn, along with the the Sun and Mercury in Scorpio you MUST use the direct approach. You need to have what we women call "throw down". I don't mean literally throw her down on the bed (at least not until the appropriate time). You need to be decisive and in control. Be assertive. When she gets to town, tell her you are talking her out on the town..don't ask her. Tell her to wear something sexy, but don't tell her where you are taking her on the date. Her descendent sign is Gemini, so she might be a bit wary of committed relationships, so don't declare your everlasting love, well not until you can tell she's hooked anyway ;) . Her ascendant wants freedom. Otherwise you might freak her out completely. Don't ignore her Uranus in Sag, close to the Ascendent...try to be less intense and maybe more fun. Yes you can be fun and confident in her pursuit at the same time.

Be a bit mysterious (which will appeal to that Scoprio energy) and maybe not so damned available..you talk every night on the phone...maybe that is a bit much...if you tell her every single thing that is going on in your life, it will be very obvious you are not out there dating other women. There is nothing that will get a Scorpio woman's attention more than the possibility of some competition.

Either way, I interpret all of your planets in the 8th house as being possibly obsessive, and she is the object of your obsession. You have GOT to do something about this when she comes back, just so you will have a final answer. If she refuses you, move on. There are a million women out there.


So this is you Mars description:
Cancer In Cancer, the Mars energies are largely of the emotional sort. While physical endeavors and practical affairs may find the energy to function satisfactorily, mental energies are apt to struggle. This placement often causes actions to be tinged with a very sensitive flavor. You express your energies in a very emotional fashion. Much of the assertiveness of Mars is turned toward the domestic scene. There is a cautious side and much defensiveness in your nature. This placement of Mars is not very physical or competitive, and not inclined to any sort of combat, physical or mental. Mars in Cancer has a very positive side, as it often shows a quiet, peaceful nature. While being very protective of your "turf," you are never too assertive or demanding. In your work, you rarely compromise your views, and prefer working independently and in control of affairs. You are ambitious, and a hard worker. Since you are not, by nature, an aggressive person, you pursue your desires in a round-about or start-stop manner. You frequently change your direction and your goals. You strive for security, and a good deal of your energy goes into this effort. In this regard, you are fiercely protective of family, co-workers, organization, or to whatever you devote yourself. You may be known for the strength of your patriotism and loyalty.

Because of these strong moods and feelings, you are a very sexual and sensual person. You are also very loyal in relationships, and certainly demanding of the same from your partner. Infidelity threatens your sense of security and is therefore unacceptable.

There is an intensity of these emotions that often results in moodiness and discord in your domestic relations. Your digestion is strongly affected by your moods and feelings. With energies tied to feelings, you are prone to become very angry inside. If this anger is suppressed it can result in ulcers and stomach upset.

This is your Venus personality:
Libra If Venus is in Libra in your chart it may give you an innate ability to understand the feelings of others. Venus is at its best in Libra because this its natural sign. Aesthetic perceptions are at their best. You are a romantic in thought and action, sometimes leaving practical common sense behind. A romantic setting such as a candlelight dinner can really get to you. You fall in love easily under such circumstances, and not always with the right person. You tend to fall in love early and often. You want to be surrounded by beauty and harmony. You are very refined and quite sociable, and you try to avoid any form of disagreement or discord. You have the ability to put people at ease and make them feel comfortable and at home. You are truly a charming person, a trait that attracts many admirers. Indeed, the Libra Venus is the most seductive in the zodiac. This seductiveness is expressed in most subtle ways; you're never overtly sexual or physical, but usually close to perfect in appearance and manners. You don't handle conflict situations very well. When you're exposed to conflicts, you may even get nervously upset. Your feeling are easily hurt, but you don't hold a grudge or try to get even. Close harmonious relationships are very important for you. To secure these, you go out of your way being considerate, always trying to please. A happy marriage is a number one priority. You truly enjoy companionship, and you like to please others. You have the ability to understand the feeling of the other person, especially your partner, and react in a perfect fashion. You are willing to make nearly any sacrifice for the sake of love and for your relationship. You are particularly concerned with your personal appearance, and how you partner perceives you physically. You are totally devoted to your partner, and ever interested in filling every romantic desire. Go to www.astrology-numerology.com (http://www.astrology-numerology.com) to read her Venus and Mars descriptions. It should help.

Good luck
Fannie!

[iconic9]

I don't even know where to start about the 8th house. I have an 8th house stellium (but looking at your 8th house stellium mine looks like a breeze :p). So I've been reading about it a bit, not to mention living it.


I read your post. And it feels so shrarp and poignant. Thank you. I don't know why but it feels like you hit the home run on it.

(;

[fannie0303]

Thank you! This is the first time I have done this, so I appreciate the compliment. Don't forget to read about her Mars and Venus signs OK?

[nnh]

I am a scorpio woman and I do hold back. Not for any concrete reason though. Perhaps better say scorpio women have an instinct for caution and also want the other person to show himself first.

I have had many good friendships with Virgo, male and female. One thing I found about the male is that they instictively keeps a comfortable distance, like "I respect you so I won't be pushy or intruding to you". Add the 2 spaces together and you have a situation where there is goodwill but no one take it up.

And scorpio women I know are protective of their individualism. Calling you day by day, declaring sweet emtions, sending gifts regularly, ask you out to movies,etc are not the things they initiate easily. I like a virgo guy very much and from my point of view I have shown him that in obvious ways (still with cautious distance). If he doesn't take my phone calls or emails for 4-5 weeks in a row I assume that's his choice (not to be with me) and don't pursue anymore. Not that I give up, just that I can't melt like chocolate and become all soft and sobbing on the phone asking him: why...why...That would be losing my own self and becomes one of the "weaker type". Though scorpio women feel pain/hurt very deeply,they just don't show.

The same to all relationships in life. My scorpio friends who got family member passed away, who quit their career, etc.. all the life turning events, still keep self respect and don't show depression in public.

All these are to tell you that she may presents a calm surface even if she's desperate and hurt inside. It's just scorpio way of retaining individualism. You better put it straightforward with her, very gentlemanly (scorpio likes good manners), very openly (I'm not pushing you, this is how I feel blah blah). She will be as straightforward with you about her real feelings.

good luck.

[autumnleaf]

I am a scorpio woman and I do hold back. Not for any concrete reason though. Perhaps better say scorpio women have an instinct for caution and also want the other person to show himself first.

I have had many good friendships with Virgo, male and female. One thing I found about the male is that they instictively keeps a comfortable distance, like "I respect you so I won't be pushy or intruding to you". Add the 2 spaces together and you have a situation where there is goodwill but no one take it up.

And scorpio women I know are protective of their individualism. Calling you day by day, declaring sweet emtions, sending gifts regularly, ask you out to movies,etc are not the things they initiate easily. I like a virgo guy very much and from my point of view I have shown him that in obvious ways (still with cautious distance). If he doesn't take my phone calls or emails for 4-5 weeks in a row I assume that's his choice (not to be with me) and don't pursue anymore. Not that I give up, just that I can't melt like chocolate and become all soft and sobbing on the phone asking him: why...why...That would be losing my own self and becomes one of the "weaker type". Though scorpio women feel pain/hurt very deeply,they just don't show.

The same to all relationships in life. My scorpio friends who got family member passed away, who quit their career, etc.. all the life turning events, still keep self respect and don't show depression in public.

All these are to tell you that she may presents a calm surface even if she's desperate and hurt inside. It's just scorpio way of retaining individualism. You better put it straightforward with her, very gentlemanly (scorpio likes good manners), very openly (I'm not pushing you, this is how I feel blah blah). She will be as straightforward with you about her real feelings.

good luck.

Well said, nnh!


:scorpio: :scorpio: :pisces:

[swanlimbus]

big brother is stopping me talking to julia

Re: New Moon September 29 2008 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=100491#post100491)

you should refrain from censoring my private messages Radu

300 - Sway (the roof is on fire) (http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pfWIKf0IfgA)