saturn clashes

[wrangler74]

Hi,

There are 11 saturn clashes between my and my friend's chart. Also there are 9 chiron linkages including three cinderella linkages. Our heliocentric synastry chart also forms a planetary geometry. By the time, he is the saturn person whose saturn forms seven hard aspects to my planets and my saturn forms four clashes to his planets.

So, how can we evaluate all these in the frame of synastry ?

Thank you.

[Moulin]

Which saturn clashes are they?

do they involve either chiron, neptune or jupiter?

If so... how many?

Could you list the clashes and the chiron linkages please? I'm pretty good at Magi :)

[Moulin]

Also VERY important to list the orbs please :)

[wrangler74]

Thank you Moulin.

Below is the link our synastry chart.

We have neither saturn jupiter clash nor saturn chiron clash, but his saturn is quincunx to my neptune, so there is a saturn neptune clash.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=hrwfileQ9UZ1e-u1194368502&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=5&nho2=4&btyp=61&mth=gw&sday=9&smon=11&syr=2007&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&ast=

So, what does this chart show about our relationship ?

Thank you very much again.
wrangler74

[rahu]

hi wrangler.
the composite chart has a saturn square to the sun with the midpoint square the ascendant.this indicates that he a the silent,moody person.he also expects to have things go his way.there is a mercury/venus conjunction which shows a lively ,happy emotional/mental connection between you 2.there seems to be much joking and laughter in the relationship in spite of his distant manner.a mars square to venus shows there is emotional/sexual chemistry but the square indicates it can be very good or turn arguementative.
with the moon/uranus midpoint conjunct venus,you are very expressive and at times hyper active.you are spontanteous and can be a little overbearing at times.this relationship seems to go between hot and cold ,somwetimes it is very close and intimate and at other times it is cold and distant.
the moon square pluto indicates that though you are open at times ,you don't show your deep emotional feelings.so it seems like both of you may have trouble building this into a intimate relationship.
the moon/pluto midpoint is square to mars so you can feel very sexual at times but then at other times ,totally unattracted to him.
with uranus opposed to chiron and trine to jupiter,it seems you have similar interst about the future and are both progressive in you social outlooks.financial matters would work well for you and the chiron position is favorable to work out any problems you may have.
rahu

[Moulin]

OK this is what l see:
(major aspects)

GEO CHART/CAC
1. saturn square moon - 2deg
2. saturn opposing mars - 1deg SATURN/MARS CLASH
3. saturn quincunx neptune - 1deg NUCLEAR CLASH

The Nuclear Clash is deceiving in that it can initially cause attraction, and then its effect changes to distaste for each other and open hostility.
4. saturn quincunx pluto - 1deg
SATURN QUINCUNX PLUTO (Saturn Clash): Both the Enhancement and the Turbulent versions of this aspect are ones that must be avoided in any love chart, especially a Wedding Chart. The aspects tends to create a relationship that is turmultuous, with unexpected severe downturns.
5. chiron trine neptune - 1deg - CINDERELLA/LIFELONG
6. Venus contra parallel pluto - SEXUAL ASPECT

HELIO CHART/CAC
1. saturn square mercury - 1deg
These squares are both signs of an inability to communicate with each other as well as the unwillingness to try to do so.
2. saturn opposes mars - 1deg SATURN MARS CLASH
3. chiron quincunx pluto - 2deg CINDERELLA
4. saturn parallel chiron - declinations SATURN LINKAGE/BOND
5. CHIRON conjunct JUNO is the long-term partners linkage. (lifelong relationship without marriage)

Kayhan has the upper hand and control in this relationship due to his SATURN aspecting/clashing with your MARS twice. Would you say this was true?

Cinderella's could hold you together but those saturn clashes are quite powerful and you would need to look at the transits of you/him to day you either met OR if you are in an intimate relationship, the day you first made love. You can also do a chart for this date too, as a seperate entity.
The LOVE chart (day you first made love) is the ruling chart...

I will try to do more later but it's a slow process and i'm exhausted from all my kids tonight!
Hope this helps.
:) Moulin

LINKS:
http://www.magiastrology.com/
http://www.magiastrology.com/firstcontact.htm

[wrangler74]

Thank you rahu.

Sounds good, not bad although I am not so optimistic about this relationship.

Most of your expressions are somewhat true.

Thank you again.
wrangler74

hi wrangler.
the composite chart has a saturn square to the sun with the midpoint square the ascendant.this indicates that he a the silent,moody person.he also expects to have things go his way.there is a mercury/venus conjunction which shows a lively ,happy emotional/mental connection between you 2.there seems to be much joking and laughter in the relationship in spite of his distant manner.a mars square to venus shows there is emotional/sexual chemistry but the square indicates it can be very good or turn arguementative.
with the moon/uranus midpoint conjunct venus,you are very expressive and at times hyper active.you are spontanteous and can be a little overbearing at times.this relationship seems to go between hot and cold ,somwetimes it is very close and intimate and at other times it is cold and distant.
the moon square pluto indicates that though you are open at times ,you don't show your deep emotional feelings.so it seems like both of you may have trouble building this into a intimate relationship.
the moon/pluto midpoint is square to mars so you can feel very sexual at times but then at other times ,totally unattracted to him.
with uranus opposed to chiron and trine to jupiter,it seems you have similar interst about the future and are both progressive in you social outlooks.financial matters would work well for you and the chiron position is favorable to work out any problems you may have.
rahu

[Moulin]

Magi is not too positive about it either...

btw, was my post comprehensible? :)

[wrangler74]

Thank you very much Moulin.

The first time we just knew each other is on 6th of May in 2005, Istanbul. But then there are several times we over again met after some breaks.

Should needed to be noticed of those times, I can write them.

Many thanks for your efforts.
wrangler74

OK this is what l see:
(major aspects)

GEO CHART/CAC
1. saturn square moon - 2deg
2. saturn opposing mars - 1deg SATURN/MARS CLASH
3. saturn quincunx neptune - 1deg NUCLEAR CLASH

The Nuclear Clash is deceiving in that it can initially cause attraction, and then its effect changes to distaste for each other and open hostility.
4. saturn quincunx pluto - 1deg
SATURN QUINCUNX PLUTO (Saturn Clash): Both the Enhancement and the Turbulent versions of this aspect are ones that must be avoided in any love chart, especially a Wedding Chart. The aspects tends to create a relationship that is turmultuous, with unexpected severe downturns.
5. chiron trine neptune - 1deg - CINDERELLA/LIFELONG
6. Venus contra parallel pluto - SEXUAL ASPECT

HELIO CHART/CAC
1. saturn square mercury - 1deg
These squares are both signs of an inability to communicate with each other as well as the unwillingness to try to do so.
2. saturn opposes mars - 1deg SATURN MARS CLASH
3. chiron quincunx pluto - 2deg CINDERELLA
4. saturn parallel chiron - declinations SATURN LINKAGE/BOND
5. CHIRON conjunct JUNO is the long-term partners linkage. (lifelong relationship without marriage)

Kayhan has the upper hand and control in this relationship due to his SATURN aspecting/clashing with your MARS twice. Would you say this was true?

Cinderella's could hold you together but those saturn clashes are quite powerful and you would need to look at the transits of you/him to day you either met OR if you are in an intimate relationship, the day you first made love. You can also do a chart for this date too, as a seperate entity.
The LOVE chart (day you first made love) is the ruling chart...

I will try to do more later but it's a slow process and i'm exhausted from all my kids tonight!
Hope this helps.
:) Moulin

LINKS:
http://www.magiastrology.com/
http://www.magiastrology.com/firstcontact.htm

[wrangler74]

Yes, Moulin, I perceived very well what you wrote although I am a little surprised at the aspect of "juno conjunct chiron".

Thank you.
wrangler74

Magi is not too positive about it either...

btw, was my post comprehensible? :)

[Moulin]

May l ask in what way surprised?

[wrangler74]

Hi Moulin,

Juno is a planet which is related to sexuality at most and juno conjunct chiron aspect should imply such a quality when takes place between two charts, so this knowledge led me being surprised at this aspect.

See you, thanks for your interest.
wrangler74

[Moulin]

Hi Moulin,

Juno is a planet which is related to sexuality at most and juno conjunct chiron aspect should imply such a quality when takes place between two charts, so this knowledge led me being surprised at this aspect.

See you, thanks for your interest.
wrangler74


Yes, l know what you are saying. In Magi however chiron rules marriage and Juno rules sex without any restrictions/marriage/etc.

In fact if juno is in clos aspect to either venus/mars/pluto then it is called a super sexual aspect in a natal chart and indicates unfaithless. Profilic men with these aspects in their charts are for example Jack Nicholson, Warren Beatty, bill Clinton (l did not have sexual relations with this woman lol)

:) You are most welcome for my work on your chart, btw.

Good luck!

[wrangler74]

Hi Moulin,

Is there anything interesting to say about our CAC ? :)

And about the first meeting chart as well..

Thank you.
wrangler74

[Moulin]

Hi Wrangler

Sadly my computer that has my Magi software on has died due to my 6yr old spilling a glass of water all over it... so can't help you anymore until the insurance company FINALLY sort it out for me.

I'm so sorry :(

[fannie0303]

Hi Moulin:

I was reading this thread as I find your insights into Magi astrology extremely interesting. I will get into my own conundrum in a moment...but I read the part about your child spilling water on your computer and wrecking it....I had the same thing happen a few months ago, when my cat (my only child LOL) tipped over a glass of water onto my laptop and fried it.

So I am hoping you can help me out with my relationship problem. I first met Sean (I am calling him Sean as he actually looks alot like Sean Connery - yummie) on a flight on New Years Day, 2006. He is 14 years older than me. To keep a long story short, after he communicated with me via e-mail and mostly 6 hours a day of phone calls between Alberta where he was living and Toronto where I was living, we fell in love. I moved here in early May of 2006. He really swept me off my feet, the intellectual and sexual connections between us are unprecedented in both of our lives.

We broke up within a few months of my moving here. I think it was an issue of intimacy for him having been married 31 years (currently separated for @3 years) from a woman who was not nurturing in the least and with whom he barely had sex during their marriage. Then I moved in briefly with him when I got here and I made him delicious meals every night and excellent loving and affection to boot. It might have been too much of a shock to his system. I was considerably more dependant on him than I was in Toronto, but then again I had just moved here for him. His whole life he has been doing “the right thing” and has been an excellent father to his 3 children and a super provider to his wife and children. He may have feared I was going to be another financial obligation. But I did find work while we were together and am happy here now, and have made lots of friends, and have dated lots and he knows I am back to my independent self.

Anyway, after a very few turbulent times in the past year and a half, we are now communicating again quite comfortably, both verbally and occasionally intimately, and I wanted your point of view from your obvious knowledge of Magi Astrology, if there is a chance of reconciliation, and ultimately marriage between us. We are trying to keep the intimacy to a minimum as he respect me to much to engage in a friends with benefits relationship with me. I have looked at our synastry and composite charts in depth. My concern is his lack of moon connection with me, and his Uranus Venus conjunction in Cancer. But after doing some preliminary reading on the Magi Astrology site, I don't know if this is terribly relevant.

I want to point out that we have a lot of respect for each other despite things not working out the first time.

I understand that your Magi software isn't working, but I reviewed our synastry chart and our first meeting chart. (Please tell me if I need to post a composite chart.)

I have listed below the Magical and Turbulent Angles that are within the 3 degree orb required.

I have also included our synastry and first meeting charts, as well as our individual charts for a visual reference. I did take a look at your chart in another thread. Hello fellow Stellium/SeeSaw chart Lady!

Synastry Chart
Linkages: (I am simplifying as I don’t know if the post will accept degree and minute symbols)

My Moon/ His Neptune - Quincunx – 2.38
My Moon/ His Pluto - Quincunx – 2.51
My Mercury/His Neptune - Quincunx – 2.10
My Mercury/His Pluto - Quincunx – 2.10
My Chiron/His Neptune - Quincunx – .42
My Chiron/His Pluto - Quincunx – .30
My Moon/His North Node – Conjunct – 1.54 (I don’t know if nodes are applicable in Magi Astrology)
My Mercury/His North Node – Conjunct – 2.54
Venus/Venus – Trine – 1.39
My Mars/ His Sun – Trine - 2.19
My Jupiter/His Sun – Conjunction – 2.58
My Saturn/His Uranus – Trine – 1.15
My North Node/His Neptune – Trine - 1.44
My Chiron/His North Node – Conjunction – 1.27
My Juno/His Sun – Trine – 1.42
My Juno/His Mars – Trine – .12
My Juno/His Saturn – Trine – .39
(Yes I see with all the Juno linkages as well as synastry degree trines between our respective Venus’s and Mars’s, why we have all this incredible sexual Chemistry)

Activations
My Venus/ His Moon – Opposition - .49
My Venus/His Juno – Square – 1.05
My Jupiter/His Pluto – Square – 2.55
My Neptune/His Pluto – Square – 2.30
My Pluto/His North Node – Opposition – 1.26
My North Node/His North Node – Square – 2.28


First Meeting Chart – I did an event chart of the time and place we started talking on the plane. We subsequently went for breakfast together during an airport layover and although he later told me he had an overwhelming desire to kiss me, I am very certain we shook hands when we parted.

I can do a chart of the weekend he came to Toronto to see me, where things went well beyond shaking hands, if this would assist you.

First Meeting Chart

Linkages:
Juno Quincunx Jupiter - .23
Sun Trine Mars - .49
Moon Conjunct Venus – 1.13
Moon Conjunct Chiron – 3.02
Mercury Conjunct Pluto – 1.24
Venus Conjunct Chiron – 1.49
Saturn Trine North Node - 1.12
Uranus Quincunx Pluto - .50
Neptune Trine Juno – 3.00

Activations
Saturn Quincunx Uranus – 2.09 ( I guess I found the heartbreak clash)
Sun Square North Node – 2.10
Mars Square Saturn – 1.17
Jupiter Square Neptune – 2.37

I haven’t included any Ascendant/MC connections as I didn’t see them on the Magi Site. Maybe I should not have included the North Node ones, based on this logic, but it seems to me that the nodes are very important in fated relationships.

Anyway, if you have time and would like to assist a never married lady in Canada, I would really appreciate it.