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Radu

10-19-2007, 03:27 PM

jagetoile

10-19-2007, 04:24 PM

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ckr1

10-20-2007, 01:44 PM

Hi,
I have often wondered the very same thing! If life is all about vibrations as I believe and death is a transition from one vibration to another then why should Astrology cease to affect the intrinsic vibrations of a person(Soul?) just because they have gone up a notch (Or down!)and are vibrating at a different rate to their former levels?
I just wish I was experienced enough to analise my mothers death chart as I am and always have been fascinated by death,what an adventure!
Radu, if you wish to look at it for me and tell me if there are any indications of death I would be most grateful.
She died on the 16th Feb 1999,approx 1.30 am in liverpool. England.
Her birth data is 4th Dec 1935, Liverpool but i do not know her time of birth though I believe it was before noon.
I have recently recieved a vedic chart and I have been told I can expect to die between 2024/ 2025 but I know less than nothing about Vedic astrology so dont know how seriously to take it. (Though I will probabaly start to take it very seriously in 2023!)
I am suppose I am very lucky in that I have no fear of death whatsoever save for the deaths of my children and it is not the death of them but the seperation from them that I would not be able to deal with. Indeed ,sometimes death is preferable to certain conditions the human condition bestows upon mortal flesh.
I have worked as a veterinary nurse and have had to hold many beautiful sick ,injured animals whilst they were being put to sleep and it is the most wonderful thing when you know the animal has been suffering and been in great pain to hear its final gasp of suffering leave its poor poor body.(Though I do still cry) If only humans were afforded the same considerations....

starlink

10-26-2007, 12:58 PM

Hi Radu, well, this is an interesting question. My answer is no, I dont believe in Death as in "everything stops, goes, is lost gone and over for ever".
Maybe it is my Budhistic view on things, who knows, but I think that body and soul are working together when we are alive and that they separate the moment we really are pronouced dead. I say really, because there are those who have come back after having been "dead" for a split second or even minutes. So I see the soul as the stronger one of the two. The soul uses the body as temporary home as it were. I do believe in afterlive and reincarnation. The only thing that I find does not "fit" is the fact that some mediums can make contact with the dead (souls of the dead I believe) years and years after they died. Now, does this mean that they have not re-incarnated or that you can still contact their spirit even when they are re-incarnated into another body here on earth? I wonder if there is anyone who can shed some light on this one. How long would it take before a soul is ready for another incarnation? This is a very foggy subject and could only be explained by people like Edgar Cayce .

Is there something in astrology that helps us understand what death is, how can a soul live without a body?

I dont think so. Nobody knows and will ever know what death is other than the end of an existance, a living thing.
A soul is not something that lives like we live. I dont think a soul is material.
When you would ask: "Can a body live without a soul", then my answer is:
No, I dont think so. I believe that we need a soul in order to form our believe system ,it is the motor for the vehicle. There is no drive without a soul (at least that is what I think, I have no evidence of course).
I think that Death is just a name for Ending and life for Beginning. There cannot be life without death, there cannot be a body without a soul.
How do you plan to look at a death chart? Personally I think that the chart can show how the person lives on in our memory of him or her. Maybe in the chart of a deceased person you can find a transit to the fifth house or so indicating the birth of a grandchild. Or when a painting of Van Gogh is being auctioned for millions, that could maybe be seen in his chart by a very nice Jupiter or Venus trine to his 2nd or 10th house.
Star.

Neptune Rising

11-04-2007, 01:04 AM

When I think of death, first thing that comes to mind is my traditional teaching of death being a kind of ending. I was also taught about 'heaven'. None of these teachings rang true but it took years of delving into different religions and theories to gain my own beliefs, though I'm still unclear what death is.

I believe everything is in a state of movement, including us humans because we are part of the whole Universe. So when life leaves the body as we know it, it must somehow keep moving albeit in a different form that we may not be consciously aware of what it is. The life energy changes/transforms into something else when the body that it was in stops moving.

I love the saying, 'two things in life are guaranteed - death and change', but ultimately, death is change. At least, that's what I believe.

NR

sskohli

11-04-2007, 05:03 AM

Hey all,
I guess in Vedic Astrology, the 5th house represent the balance of Karmas of the previous life and the 9th house represent the previous life.
If you rotate the chart from the 9th house and make it the ascendant, then that kinda makes it a previous life chart.
So I guess it answers the question, whether the chart remains after the person dies.
And how do you verify whether after rotation what you get is the previous life. Well, there was a system in ancient vedic astrology, where the seers have written everything about all known persons on leaves.

When you go to them, they take your thumbprint and then ask you simple questions, like are you 16 years old? is your father's name 'zbx' ?
When they zero in to your leaf, they will tell you EVERYTHING about you, like what's your name, what's your parents' grandparents' maternal/paternal uncles' name. Where you from? who you married to? how many kids you have their names..so on and so forth.
there they tell you about your previous life as well. If you now rotate your chart and try to guage what they have said from the chart, most of the things match.
so there's that..my take..
oh on death charts..recently they showed on TV in india, a man giving a press conference and died then n there..captured on TV. I will see if I can get the details of that.
sandeep

Caprising

11-05-2007, 08:37 AM

Food for thought! Can a similar technique be used with western astrology? I know that the south node supposedly shows past life tendencies, and I've read about 12th house placements being karmic (not to mention saturns placement) where would you suggest to look for past life pointers in the western natal chart? Oh, while I'm asking questions , the moon supposedly rules memory according to a few authors that I have read, so if you had a very strong moon, would you be inclined to have memories of past lives more readily than someone with an easy/weaker moon placement?

RockFish

11-05-2007, 08:02 PM

Would retrograde planets have something to do with past life issues as well? I read it in a couple books, and my astrologer told me the same.

Sag Moon

11-06-2007, 02:30 AM

hi, one question that i've always in mind is whether the natal chart dies when a person is physically dead. whether when the person is dead, his chart continues to show the development of his Soul from transits and progressions? how we will know that he is reincarnated?:rolleyes:

I have noticed that people from the past.Famous, are usually have their lives story revived during important transits to their charts.They may not have movies made,but their lives are mentioned in Periodicals or Biolgraphies.

Event thier lives being mentioned on these types of forums and looking at their charts there sems to be an activation of some time.

The reason I know this is because someone else mentioned it and wrote about the details of a subjects chart when they were doing a study of it.

So I think the persons chart does live on and the subjects works always will in some way.It is even past on from generation to generation I think as the gene pool does. If one has a trait eun in their family history it may show up in one of our offsprings even if it does not show up in all of their children.

I did not save the thread so it cannot be posted mentioning one example. I do sometimes look at what the present transits are when viewing a biography of people that are famous.

It would be interesting to do also of those having movies made of them.

flea

03-05-2008, 10:37 AM

The tibetans are very interested in the way you die and the spiritual practice leading up to this, that it is so important an event that affects how your entity then exists.

I would have to think that astrology is still important as many talk about souls evolving over many lives, and existences not necessarily on earth.

Astrology would have to change to incorporate the place in space, your context to the universe.

The way we see astrology is pertaining to our context in carnate on earth as we inderstand it to be. Where we go and how we exist and with whom is all up for discussion and not definitely proveable across the board in any way.

Astrology is a like philosophy which gives a definite context to the meaning of existence. Death to my mind has to change that irrespective of the detail of spirit and soul, the former being eternal and the later well descructible in some concepts.

Love Light Flea

funkspunky

10-15-2008, 02:14 PM

flea

10-16-2008, 01:56 AM

is that like the idea of the horse being a psychopomp, something that can travel between the worls of life and death funkyspunk??

Flea

AquariusT

10-16-2008, 07:45 AM

Would retrograde planets have something to do with past life issues as well? I read it in a couple books, and my astrologer told me the same.

Yes. Rx planets represent the karma/junk you come in with from a previous life/lives.

AquariusT

10-16-2008, 07:45 AM

Oh and to answer the OP. No.

Nexus7

10-16-2008, 08:46 AM

Radu, have you got any books my CEO Carter?

I don't know how many actual death charts he looks at, but he does discuss the matter of death and the kind of transits that tend to accompnay it.

He noticed that for the person dying, the transits tend to be benign - sextiles, trines from Jupiter or Neptune to personal planets or angles. He also saw this in terms of a 'merciful release' for the person concerned. He also believed it is not so difficult to find your own likely death according to the stars, though he suggested caution here, if this was liekly to be an unnerving topic.

He did think that this can ben seen to the transits and progressons of the loved ones whom are being left behind - here are the 'gloom and doom' transits, showing the traditonal signatures of pain and loss.

Liz Greene does a case study of a whole family that is impacted by the death of a school headmaster, complete with the headmaster's death transits and those of children, spouse and grandchildren.

Mike Harding looks at midpoints for death in his book, Hymns to he Ancient Gods, particularly in relation to he Freud family.

Personally, I am not sure what to think of death, I am not a medium, do not discourse with spirits of the departed, have had no NDE's. Maybe, Death truly is about extinction, maybe there is a soul that goes on to better things: the problem then is, what do you make of this life and personality, if you decide that you are part mortal, part immortal?

To me, that creates an intolerable Geminian divide in the psyche that is impossible to heal. This part of me is real and divine, that part of me is is so much dross, part of sinful matter, and false.

Seeing things too much in terms of an afterlife to come could mean that it does not make it possible to really value the life we lead now, if you are only thinking in terms of 'pie in the sky' rewards or a better balance of karma.

At the same time, we might also sense that many lives born in destitution and slavery or disease make nonsense of the idea of living the fully-realised life so dear to Westerners living in relative prosperity and comfort.

flea

10-17-2008, 12:46 AM

Cool thoughts nexus....

I have been playing with the idea of us all exploring a different facet of god, ground of being whatever. If you take judgement away, and all is just experience and how you experience that experience, then it is all just learning about what this ground of being is, the good the bad makes no difference. But our judgement makes it something else, and that is also part of the experience.

No matter what we are, we are living this life now and every thought and decision we make impacts that life, we have responsibility for that. And also as we get older we can develop completely different responses to events in life. Things that hurt us when we are young come to be taken in good humour when we are old.... and sometimes visa versa. When ever you think of a rule, the opposite also applies. So maybe we live in a universe of everything, if you can think it, it can be also.

flea

nejispirit

10-22-2008, 07:50 AM

Strange title for a thread. Just wanted to draw attention.

Ok, here are my ramblings of void of course moon in capricorn: what is the death?

Is there something in astrology that helps us understand what death is, how can a soul live without a body?

Is astrology a science only for the incarnated bodies? Do dead people [their souls] have anything to do with astrology? or a different kind of astrology.

The Hindu say that the Great Divine Power of Time is also related to death. Well, astrology is all about time, its' different natures and vibrations. Then astrology should be

Has anyone any experience with death charts? I'd be interested to study some. Thank you.

Hm, well to me death can be literally and figuratively, for example perhaps your father passed away last spring or maybe your faith in your fiance died after learning of their troubled past, either way you experienced "death" to some degree;

Unfortunately and at the same time *thankfully* I know a thing or two about "death" since last November I nearly died- it's ironic and funny to me since I have an 8th house stellium and this happened, literally I feel as though my "old self" died and my a "new self" came to life, giving me that whole, literally speaking, rebirth/death 8th house concept.

As far as actual *dead people* go, I have never looked into someone I personally knew's chart that passed away, but I have for instance studied Princess Di's chart, Kurt Cobain's chart and Marlon Brando's chart- all very fascinating to try and piece together their lives and then perhaps try to find a missing piece of their left behind mysteries in their natals.

I think *dead people* indeed contribute to Astrology as a study since we analyze those who are long gone (physically speaking) to try and decipher perhaps their lives and then see if maybe we could see their "endings" in their charts, or a possibility of it at least.

Death is indeed a concept that happens day to day, like I said, both literally and figurately, and is something we all learn to deal with as time goes on; I personally believe that there is *life after death*, no matter if you have been truly "sinful" in this life or not- I think that the life you live *after this one* truly depends on what you want to be in an afterlife, if you think that you are going to Hell, then indeed you might go to Hell- but if not, you might transcend to a mystical, magical and wonderful Heaven, if you so believe so.

LionKing

10-23-2008, 05:10 AM

Yea... I believe in death. He usually shows up for everyone else. But somehow I have a longer life than anyone else.
Hmm I think I'm suppose to be somewhere. Let me check the time on my watch on my bony wrist ... hey can anyone hold on to my reaper tool? :eek:
I promise it wont bite...most of the time... Ha! V/r LionKing:D

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