Congenital malformations and deformities shown in a natal chart.

[Carole]

Hello, everybody!

I am intrigued about how any kind of congenital malformations and deformities can be shown in a natal chart. I haven't seen many horoscopes of people suffering these problems and I would like to know if someone around here has had some experience with this type of charts.

This is the birth chart of a baby girl who is four months old. She is a friend's granddaughter and was born with what we could call a "blind colon" (the last segment of her colon is nonexistent, so she is unable to have normal excretory functions).

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/imagehosting/thum_219247097f9c15c2c.jpg ('http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=218')

Fixed Stars are used often in Medical Astrology, so I looked for the expected ones and had a few surprises:

Mars ruler of her Scorpio ascendant, opposes it from the conjunction with Fixed Star Sharatan (3 degrees 49' Taurus), whose effects are said to be neutral. A fortunate Fixed Star named Princeps conjuncts ascendant. Polaris and Betelgeuse at 28 degrees 44' and 28 degrees 45' respectively, both unfortunate, oppose her Moon (main significator of health in a woman's chart) on 28 38' Sagittarius. I wonder if these stars could be responsible for her problem.

Now this is curious. There is a star that is said to bring congenital birth defects. It's Formalheut (3 52' Pisces), one of the four Royal Stars, whose effects are known to be fortunate, and it's aspecting her ascendant with a trine. Trines are not considered when reading the fixed stars.

I know there are not many people interested in or studying Medical Astrology, but I am hoping my always generous Jupiter to bring some ideas or opinions to enlighten me about this chart.

Thank you in advance for your insights.

Carole

[astro.teacher]

I cant seem to make the chart bigger but the greatest signifiers of deformities are Saturn and the South Node. These have massive influence on any deformities of the body, they are especially noticed when either of them appear in the first house. Certain degrees found on the Ascendant can make deformities more predominant (in those who have them already). These degrees are;

Aries - 3.16
Taurus - 3.30
Gemini - 7.27
Cancer - 14
Leo - 10
Virgo - 5.30
Libra - 10.21
Scorpio - 3.30
Sagittarius - 12
Capricorn - 7.22.30
Aquarius - 13
Pisces - 6.18.30

These degrees can cause deformities when they are found on the Ascendant, Lord of the Ascendant or the Moon. They are also refered to as lame degrees;

Aries - 0
Taurus - 6-10
Gemini - 0
Cancer - 0-15
Leo - 18.27.28
Virgo - 0
Libra - 0
Scorpio - 19.28
Sagittarius - 1.7.8.18.19
Capricorn - 26-29
Aquarius - 18.19
Pisces - 0

It is also important not only to look at the Nativity for deformity but also the Conceptional figure as well, since deformities happen in the womb and not after. There are many other aphorisms concerning deformities as well which I wont go over.

[lillyjgc]

Hi there: I can't get the chart to enlarge either....I will try to post a chart of a woman born deaf for anyone who is interested

Chart Data:
Woman born deaf.
19th March 1943.
5.30am Kiama NSW
34.41S 150.49E
Asc:20.36Pisces.
Time Zone 10E
(no dst)

[astro.teacher]

Thank you Lilly! That should be interesting to analyze.

Deafness is ruled by Saturn. He also rules the right ear (Mars ruling the left). Mercury also rules over the senses and therefore we see in the chart Mercury is very ill dignified in Pisces in the 12th House. Mercury is also squared Saturn (a sign of deafness and deformity of the ears, especially with Mercury debilitated as heavily as he is). I believe that is the square aspect between them but the picture is also quite small so its hard to be absolute.

Those are clear indicators of deafness. What I find interesting about this chart is that Mercury is placed in the 12th House. The 12th-10th House is considered the first stage of life, infancy to youth, so its interesting that you say she was born deaf.

[lillyjgc]

Thanks astro teacher....i also have an interesting chart of a man who was born *normal*.After he had his triple antigen shots he went into a state of permanent retardation- no speech, limited hearing, virtually no *capabilities*. His natal chart shows very much *what will happen to him*....I will try also to post that chart- I just DUNNO why the charts aren't coming up the right size- I'm not doing anything differently as far as I know.(smile) but with the transits I'm having..anything is possible! But having a go anyway- Please guys let me know how the chart looks to you because the chart I posted is huge on my screen when I click on it...in terms of *woman* deaf, interestingly a few years ago she was offered a cochlear implant and declined it...When asked why she smiled and wrote on the notepad (how we communicate) *I'm happy*....She does have a grand trine there- mars/neptune/uranus/sat...in house 3..communication...north node bang on H6 cusp- something destined* about her deafness? and this node is inconjunct the asc....ur/sat in saturns sign is a harsh aspect, karmically speaking....she is a highly intuitive person BTW and very intelligent.She does not speak. So off to try to upload the chart of the young man we will call *Tom*....cheers, lillyjgc

[lillyjgc]

Chart of man born normal but who became vegetative after triple antigen shots.
<Tom>
Born 12th Feb 19 1978 at 8.15am at Wellington New Zealand.
41.17S 174.47E
Time Zone: 12 hr E
DST:1
10.19 pisces rising.

[Frisiangal]

Hello Carole,

First of all, some practical questions.:) How is the baby coping with such a malfunction and is rid of the excretion produced? Through internal tubing of some kind? Can she be operated upon when older to eleviate the problem?

As Scorpio rules the colon, I first looked at the position of Pluto in her chart. The Moon-Pluto conjunction brought thoughts of a 'health' (Moon ruler 9th)problem rather than a deformity. I would associate Saturn with physical de-formation, as Astroteacher said, and the almost exact Saturn-Neptune opposition would seem to confirm this. Yet the aspect is not linked to the Moon-Pluto, nor are either Saturn or Neptune associated with the health houses.
Then I remembered traditional rulerships :o . When you apply Mars as ruler of the Ascendant and 6th house, there is another picture. Although there is still no harsh aspect to Saturn or Neptune, I wondered if the exact semi-square (health hazard or warning) to Uranus, as modern ruler of the 4th house, could refer to the 'womb effect' Astroteacher mentioned.
I didn't know of the predominant Ascendant degrees and find the correspondence to the 3 degr. Taurus-Scorpio absolutely amazing. Thanks to Astroteacher for providing this information. Would this therefore be significant enough without reference to the effect of fixed stars ( which I don't deny, just ponder:) )?

Regards,

Frisiangal

[Carole]

Hi, astro.teacher!

The information about those degrees it's truly a wonderful resource to get some answers. Curiously enough, this baby has her ascendant at 3 Scorpio 22'.

I am copying here the link to the chart for you and Lillyjgc and everyone else for whom the chart doesn't work properly either, so that you can take a look to it:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/imagehosting/thum_219247097f9c15c2c.jpg ('http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=218')

Thank you for your enlightening and informative answer.:)

Carole

[Carole]

Hello, Lillyjgc!

Thank you for posting the link for the chart of the deaf woman. I am absolutely interested in analysing it. I hope you can take a look to the chart on the link I included in my post to astro.teacher.

Carole

[Carole]

Hello, Frisiangal!

The baby has undergone a surgery to allow her system to get rid of the excretes, that left her with two small orifices in her belly. It's a painful situation, but this is an emergency solution until she can have a totally reconstructive surgery that can provide a more normal life for her.

Yes, Saturn seems to be the logical ruler of deformities. And your reference to that semi-square from Mars to Uranus has me thinking. It's worth mentioning the 3 degrees of Scorpio Ascendant, which astro.teacher posted about and which can be accounted for deformity. As you said, Scorpio rules the colon, so could be by itself a strong indicator of the baby's problem.

I'll check the aphorisms carefully to see if I find something else, but I think your comments about this and the information astro.teacher posted have put me on the right track.

Thank you!

Carole

[starlink]

Hello Carole, just happened to see this (and you posting the thread so I wanted to see it). I was wondering if you consider a malformity an illness. I think that a person with a malformation, lets say a leg shorter or being born without an arm, can otherwise be perfectly healthy. Do you include the 6th house when looking for a reason for malformities? This little baby though, could indeed be unhealthy because her body cannot normally excrete and that could cause health problems, but for instance a child with a cleft or a softenon child, they again can be totally healthy.
I used to have a chart of a child born 6 weeks premature. Must see if I have it still somewhere. He is also very intelligent but cannot walk and looks quite retarded and speaks like that as well, but he goes to school (special one I think, cant remember, it is sooo long ago) and seems to be very much with it. Interesting topic. Uranus IMO could also play a role, showing something abnormal or different. Very helpful to have those degrees Astro Teacher, thanks for posting them. Cheers, Star.

[Carole]

Hello Starlink!

It's lovely to see you! :) No, I don't consider a malformation or deformity an illness. This baby will probably have health problems, not only because her Moon is so afflicted but because of her colon malformation.
For physical malformation I check the ascendant as it's represents our physical body. From there, I look for the fixed stars that could have to do with her problem, the planets and aspects that could give some indication for this, and now I will study these degrees astro.teacher provided. All of this is very interesting.
I would love to see that chart you talk about, Caroline. I hope you can find it and post it here.
I am also analysing the chart of Joseph Carey Merrick (The Elephant Man). As you must know he was a wonderful soul with severe deformities as a result of the illness/ess (Proteus Syndrome and Neurofibroblastosis) that made his skin and bones grow disorderly.
I agree with that notion of Uranus showing at some extent, abnormal or even shocking things in the chart, related to these malformations.

Cheerio!

Carole

[astro.teacher]

Lilly,

That second chart is MUCH better thank you!

Frisiangal,

Would this therefore be significant enough without reference to the effect of fixed stars ( which I don't deny, just ponder:) )?


Do you mean that the degrees effects would out rule the powers of the fixed stars? I think both need to be taken into consideration. Although im not sure I understand your question fully. I also notice that Carole uses the aspects with the fixed stars, fixed stars are only activated on conjunction and they must be in Partile aspect (less than 30' between the conjunction).

Carole,

I get the same problem with the link as I did the chart, when I click on it it tells me that I dont have permission to view it which is strange.

[starlink]

I get the same problem with the link as I did the chart, when I click on it it tells me that I dont have permission to view it which is strange. So did I!!

[Carole]

Hey, everyone!

My apologies!!! Silly me, I hadn't set the image to public view.:o I just have corrected the problem and I hope you all can see it now.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/imagehosting/thum_219247097f9c15c2c.jpg ('http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=218')

astro.teacher said
I also notice that Carole uses the aspects with the fixed stars, fixed stars are only activated on conjunction and they must be in Partile aspect (less than 30' between the conjunction).


I use the conjunction and opposition, but I can't help to observe the square and the trine, as I have started a study on Algol and its effects specifically, but mentioning that the aspects to work with are the ones I said at the beginning of this paragraph.

Lillyjgc:

My eyes thank you for the second chart too!:)

I love the interest of you all in this subject!

Carole

[jagetoile]

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[astro.teacher]

jagetoile,

Good eye, they are the Azimene and Dark degrees, both of which are said to describe deformities and lameness. The degrees can be used both for Horary and Nativities, especially concerning the major degrees of the chart (rising, his lord and the moon).

[starlink]

OH Carole! The chart of the Elephant man, could you give me his natal info please? I have been fascinated by this story for ages, have this book about him, called: "The true history of the Elephant man" written by Michael Howell & Peter Ford. I have looked in my old papers, so far nothing found. It has been at least 15 years ago and with all my moves could have been lost. But when I have another clean-up attack,(as I frequently have) then I hope to still be able to find it. Cheers, C.

[Carole]

Hi, Jagetoile!

I am using literally everything to elucidate this issue in the chart, believe me. I found that the ascendant and Mars are sitting on degrees that might be a determinant factor in the problem.
Also, I need to try that nodal chart you mentioned to see how things look from that perspective.
I appreciate your suggestions and your best wishes for my friend's granddaughter, Jag.

Thank you!!

Carole

[Carole]

Hi, Starlink!

I read that book long time ago and the story of this man left me a deep impression . I used the data in the book for the chart, since I couldn't find a chart on internet:

Joseph Carey Merrick
August 5th, 1862
Leicester, England
U.K.

There is no birth time available, so I used 12:00

Cheerio!

Carole

[starlink]

Thanks a lot Carole, nice one! With me trying to figure out how to rectify birthcharts (other thread AM started about how to rectify a birthchart with Solar Arc method) I could maybe, with the help of this book, figure something out, would be a good exercise (if I find the time.....). Ciao! Star.

[Carole]

That's great, Starlink! Let me know if you find out something using that method.:)

Good Luck!

Carole

[Frisiangal]

[QUOTE]
Frisiangal,

Do you mean that the degrees effects would out rule the powers of the fixed stars? I think both need to be taken into consideration. Although im not sure I understand your question fully.


You understood me.:) I have never studied the fixed stars sufficiently to ascertain their significance, yet those degrees + chart info. seemed to provide a number of clues to the physical disorder in themselves.
When I have the opportunity I'm going to check my 'health file' which contains some interesting charts and see if the degrees you provided offer more insight into the complaints.

Regarding Merrick, Carole.
There was a t.v documentary on English television a year or more ago, I remember, in which the descendants of Merrick's family were traced. The 'shame' they felt towards Joseph regarding his deformity made his own family turn against and lose touch with him and each other. The documentary was interested in whether the deformity was genital/hereditary. The descendants weren't even aware of the others' existence and there wasn't really a 'Grand to meet you' rallying when they did meet. No one in the family suffered in any way, as far as I can remember.

Regards,

Frisiangal

[Frisiangal]

[QUOTE]
Certain degrees found on the Ascendant can make deformities more predominant (in those who have them already). These degrees are;

Aries - 3.16
Taurus - 3.30
Gemini - 7.27
Cancer - 14
Leo - 10
Virgo - 5.30
Libra - 10.21
Scorpio - 3.30
Sagittarius - 12
Capricorn - 7.22.30
Aquarius - 13
Pisces - 6.18.30



Astroteacher,
Is Capricorn 7 and 20 and 30, or the 7th degr. +mins.secs.
Pisces to?



Aries - 0
Taurus - 6-10
Gemini - 0
Cancer - 0-15
Leo - 18.27.28
Virgo - 0
Libra - 0
Scorpio - 19.28
Sagittarius - 1.7.8.18.19
Capricorn - 26-29
Aquarius - 18.19
Pisces - 0


Taurus 6 up to and including 15,
Leo/Aq. partial or whole degrees?
Cap. 26 up uo 29 degrees?

Thank you.

Frisiangal

[astro.teacher]

Frisiangal,

You understood me.:) I have never studied the fixed stars sufficiently to ascertain their significance, yet those degrees + chart info. seemed to provide a number of clues to the physical disorder in themselves.
When I have the opportunity I'm going to check my 'health file' which contains some interesting charts and see if the degrees you provided offer more insight into the complaints.

The fixed stars are actually quite easy to use, maybe I will write something in the future concerning their use. Let us know how your investigation goes with your other charts!

Is Capricorn 7 and 20 and 30, or the 7th degr. +mins.secs.
Pisces to?

7 degrees, 22 degrees, 30 degrees. Sorry my format was a bit confusing (as . were actually archaic , between numbers).

Taurus 6 up to and including 15,
Leo/Aq. partial or whole degrees?
Cap. 26 up uo 29 degrees?

Taurus = 6 and up to 10 (including 10).
Leo/Aquarius = the full 10th and 13th degrees.
Capircorn = as with taurus 26 degrees to 29 degrees (including 29)

[jagetoile]

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[jagetoile]

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[Frisiangal]

Sorry for the confusion re: degrees, Astroteacher. My typing was more erratic than usual yesterday.:) Also, in my country the stop(.) and comma (,) are used the other way around in numbers. You might read $22,43 0r 2,243. We would write $22.43 and 2.243.
Therefore my Virgo side needed to confirm.:D

Will keep everyone informed if anything of value turns up.

Thank you again.

Frisiangal.

[Carole]

Hi, Jagetoile!

I know how you feel. Medical Astrology is so interesting and helpful and not having a good book to resort to is very dissapointing.

I will send you a link where you can download this book for free. It was generously sent to me by other member of this forum.


Carole

[astro.teacher]

do you use "hyleg" in chart judgement?

I dont use the Hyleg because its primary use is to determine the length of life.

as you're tranditional-prone do you have experience of finding the "hyleg" in a chart?

Yes its quite simple, the difficult part is calculating the length of the individuals life from it and other points!

whose system do you follow, Ptolemy of others? which house system do you use for nativities in this case?

Ptolemy and Placidus. Why? I just find Placidus more accurate personally thats all and the fact ive always used it so its familiar to me. I dont have anything against the other House systems though. I generally prefer the more traditional ones to the modern ones.

[Frisiangal]

Hi,
For those who are interested, I went through several files today containing charts of the following imperfections;
5 of 6 cases of cerebral palsy at birth,
1 head deformation,
1 hereditary schizophrenic,
1 born skin complaint,
1 'small man',
1 reflux (regurgitation of food). Unformed stomach valve at birth,
1 kidney disease at birth,
1 scoliosis (spine curvature,)
1 of 3 cases A.L.S (dysfunctional muscle disease).
(I've misplaced the hand charts of eye diseases. However, the dates can be found in a post in the medical section re: eyes)

All 13 (of total 16) cases above showed connections with the degrees that Astroteacher mentioned, either through Asc., its ruler, and Moon, but also on 6th house cusp and ruler 6th on a prominent degree. In a few cases the aspect was within 1 degree. Of the 'abnormalities' Uranus and Neptune were often close to or in aspect to the Ascendant.

One brought a smile to my face. The 'small man' (rounded hour birth time provided) had Asc. on 6+degr. Virgo and I.C. on 29+ Scorpio exact conjunct Jupiter (this could be 5+* Virgo/28+ Scorpio?). Sag. intercepted in the 4th. Mercury close square Pluto. Uranus, ruler 6th, was on 3degr. Taurus in 9th, trine Ascendant. He always had 'problems' regarding his size.
Jupiter-co-ruler I.C. - 9th house? I was a child when he made his name and fame as a jockey.:)

Frisiangal

[Carole]

Hi, Frisiangal:

Astrology is just amazing, isn't it?

I would love if you could give me these charts' data or at least a few of them to add them to my database for study.

I thank you for this information, Frisiangal.:)


Carole

[Frisiangal]

Hi Carole,

Give me a couple of days and I'll send details privately to you....if I can remember how to do it.:)

Frisiangal.

[Kingsley]

I have a chart/client who was deformed at birth mainly due to the poisons-chemicals her mother drank trying to kill the feotus off. The chart has Jupiter Neptune on a Sagitarian ascendent. Many many opperations were performed to correct her spinal growth.

k

[Carole]

Hi, Frisiangal!

Thank you!! I will be looking forward to your message.:)


Hi, Kingsley!

Can you give me the data of the chart you mention in your post? I would appreciate if you did it. Thank you!


Carole

[RockFish]

Hello,

I am posting two charts, one of a friend of mine and another of a cousin, who were both born with cleft lips.

One of them is rather clear because Chiron is conjunct with the ascendant, both squaring the Moon.

The other one is a bit more obscure. Chiron is conjunct with the cusp of the 6th house. If we would approach it with the derived houses method, the 6th house would be the first house in a chart about health, which means Chiron would be in the ascendant as well. It is my cousin's chart. Besides the cleft lip, she has a heart condition and was born with three kidneys, due to the fact that he mother had measles during the pregnancy.

[Carole]

Thank you for posting these charts, RockFish. They will be of valuable help, no doubt.:)


Carole

[AquarianEssence]

Hi all. I couldn't help notice that the 1st chart of the thread has the Moon void of course. There is often something missing or overlooked shown by the void. Also, the information I've been using for astrological anatomy which is proving to be quite accurate shows the 6th degree, 5 degrees Virgo, as the descending colon with the 7th degree as the rectum. It gives the 27th degree of Scorpio to the anus. Moon's last aspect was conjunct Pluto ruling the anus degree, thus, what is missing.

The POF (misfortune in this case) is the antiscion of the Virgo degree.
The ascendant/descendant is the square of the antiscion to 26Scorpio.
Mars, ruling the 6th is also square the antiscion to the anus degree.

[proluna8]

Hello CAROLE, nice to meet you, I'm new here and I hope I can express myself correctly considering my mother tongue is Spanish, please feel free to correct me, I will appreciate it.
I have just read your post and I'm sorry for the baby and the rest of you. I couldn't see the chart very well, would you mind sending the data so I can make it myself?
The only thing I saw more or less clearly is that Neptune is in the fourth house (digestive system) and in opposition to Saturn (am I right?) I was taught that Saturn shows which the weakest area of the chart is, and also what is going to cause our death. Being neptune in house 4 and with this opposition you can preview a long and cronic condition for this little one in everything concerning her intake of food. She is likely to develop anorexia or bulimia (perhaps out of fear of the process involved in eating and eliminating)
Unluckily, she may develope hipertiroidism as well.
I don't understand why you use the fixed stars for health, I would like to know where you took the information from.
Hope you can handle the situation, see you soon, Proluna8

[proluna8]

Hello ROCK FISH, sorry to know about those facts, I'm new around here and I would like to help you according to my experience (which is not big anyway)
some questions: Is the third kidney on the left side of her body?
Are you very sure about the time of birth?
- regarding her lip, have you seen the regent of her ascendant (Jupiter) in oposition to Venus? (Venus is the stetic issues)
Jupiter is also in the 1º degree of Leo (the heart)
For me, it is a matter of the owner of the ascendant risking her life and causing a problem in her looks because Venus is in Saturn's house which is in oposition to the Sun. Two very complicated points: her ascendant and her Sun.

As for the other, Venus in the end of the first house (mouth area) in a square with Jupiter which will expand the effects of a weak Venus affecting the stetics, which in turn is in the house of mercury which is oposed to saturn (communication (mercury) will be restricted by cold Saturn) If this is your friend tell her to take care because she is loosing calcium.

Hope to hear from you, proluna8

[Carole]

Hello, AquarianEssence!

Thank you for taking the time to see the chart and make your observations, which help to spot with even more clarity, the baby's malformation. Where did you get the Anatomical Degrees Table? Is it in one of Reinhold Ebertin's books? Is there some place on Internet where it can be downloaded? I would appreciate a lot the information you can give me about it.

Thank you.:)


Hello, proluna8!

It's nice meeting you too.:) I apologise for not answering your post in due time, but I have had some problems to get online lately. Here is the data:

29/06/2007
1:30 p.m.
85w55 12n55

Yes, the chart shows the possibility for this baby to suffer some health problems through her life, but we hope they can be prevented at the maximum. She is in the hospital right now, waiting for a reconstructive surgery she will be undergoing tomorrow. We all hope that this surgery can provide a more normal life for her.

There are a bunch of Fixed Stars that seem to have a great influence in health matters in the natal chart, and some of them may be accounted for malformations. They can be of great help, in my opinion. Algol, for example, may bring chronic illnesses, dental problems or arthritis, the same as Algorab (various illnesses from mental to organic and chronic problems), Antares (eye problems), Formalhaut (problems with drugs, addictions), and so on. Of course, a Fixed Star must be in conjunction with a planet for its effects (positive or negative) to be felt.

Carole

[proluna8]

Dear Carole,

First of all, I am confused: you send me some data (29/6/07) but this does not correspond to the other two charts. Did I misunderstand you? Could you explain this new information?

As for your question: I was not following the Anatomical Degrees Table. Here in Uruguay, I have been taking classes with an excellent astrologer. He has taught me judicial astrology (mostly) and we discussed horary, esotheric, vedic, etc. He is very intelligent and has conducted field studies for years, besides reading the great authors like Fludd, Junctino, Barbault and so many others.

As for astro-diagnosis we don't follow fixed stars or anything like that, we just consider the planets, houses and signs (transits too are very important).
The aparent symplicity of this system is the key for its effectiveness though, he is very strict on insisting we are not doctors anyway, but one of the things that impressed me the most is the idea of thinking as a Chaldean or an Arabic astrologer to follow some lines of thought.

As I told you, Venus is the planet of everything that is beautiful by definition. When located in any specific part of the chart it always creates a problem there and the problem will be more serious if it is "attacked" by hard aspects from other planets. In this sense, house 10 represents the skeleton, the bones, so if you have venus there it will cause some kind of deformities in the bones that will affect the stetics: arthrosis, etc. If Jupiter is in that house, the person will have enlarged bones (jupiter makes everything bigger, just as simple), so you will have different illnesses or deformities due to major bone development. After that, the sign is going to tell you something about the area where the problem is going to appear and the aspects are going to make those problems more or less serious.

In the same sense, if Jupiter is in house 5, for example, the person is likely to have more children than the standard for the society in which he or she lives, can be a drug-adict, or develop a serious condition in her/his reproductive organs. If it is Pluto (there in house 5) it could happen that the woman has her fallopian tubes blocked and has difficulties getting pregnant.

But, again, the whole natal chart has to be considered as a whole and no isolated planets, signs or aspects should be taken separately from the rest (there lies the enormous difficulty of this system... and its accuracy)

As I told you, I have been studying for only five years and I know I have to learn a great deal still, but I will take this chart to my teacher to have his opinion and I will inmediately post it for you.

All the best, Adriana

[Carole]

Dear proluna8:

I guess you are confusing the charts posted by lillygjc. The data I gave you corresponds to the chart I initially posted.

Regarding the question about the Anatomical Degrees, that was addressed to AquarianEssence, if I am not wrong.;)

I understand what you say about the subject and I deeply respect everyone's points of view. I just follow a different line of thought in which, and I am convinced of this, the influence of some Fixed Stars may contribute to cause some illnesses. Of course, I am aware of the main role that the planets play in Medical Astrology. That is unquestionable.

One of the purposes of this forum is to allow each one of us give an opinion about a subject we think we have some grasp of. And it's wonderful to be able to do it, isn't it?:)

I will applaud everyone who contributes and tries to make this interchange of knowledge and ideas even richer.

Cheerio!

Carole

[starlink]

Hello Carole! I found the chart of that boy who was born 6 weeks too early!!!
I knew I had not thrown it away and all of a sudden remembered that I had made a file for "special cases" like this one and others, not related to medicine.
OK, his birthdetails are:
Born on May 8, 1974
Place: Lausanne, Switzerland (006E39' and 46N31)
Hour: 6.36 PM CET
Ascendant 4 Scorpio 51.

His father left as soon as he saw that his son was misformed. His mother totally devoted her whole life to him with an iron fist pushing him towards excellence, incredible. He is very intelligent. Is in a wheelchair. I dont know how he is doing because soon after we left Lausanne and I have not heard of them anymore.
I wonder if you can see anything in this chart related to this. Does the Uranus in his 12th semis-square Neptune show his deformation? Venus, ruler of his 12th inconjunct his Ascendant could show his early childhood as well as Pluto in Tsquare with Saturn and Venus. Cheers! Star.:)

[RockFish]

I'm glad this thread was bumped to the top, otherwise I would not see your very interesting posts, Proluna.

Here are the answers to your questions (and thanks for your concern):

"Is the third kidney on the left side of her body?"

Not sure, I will have to check this out. Its been a while since I last talked to her, because we are living in different states, but I will try to check if my mother (her aunt) knows something. Altho she did went thru some corrective surgeries to her lip when she was young, she can't go thru any surgeries anymore because her heart would be endangered in a surgery. The previous surgeries happened when doctors were still unaware that she carried this problem. So, altho she corrected the cleft lip (it was strongly open), her nose and lip present vivid scars, and she has some speech problems as well, and there cant be any other corrections.

"Are you very sure about the time of birth?"

That's the birth time she gave me. I'm not sure how accurate is that, but I guess it must be close to the truth.

"regarding her lip, have you seen the regent of her ascendant (Jupiter) in
opposition to Venus? (Venus is the stetic issues)"

Hmm, that's very interesting. Jupiter is also in square with Chiron in the cusp of 7th.... And Saturn squaring the ascendant....

"Jupiter is also in the 1º degree of Leo (the heart)
For me, it is a matter of the owner of the ascendant risking her life and causing a problem in her looks because Venus is in Saturn's house which is in oposition to the Sun. Two very complicated points: her ascendant and her Sun."

Indeed. Her Sun is badly aspected, and the only good aspect I can see right now is a sextile with Chiron. Saturn is squaring her ascendant and takes no good aspects. Saturn opposed to the Sun and isolated in squares and oppositions surely gave her a very difficult path in terms of health.

"As for the other, Venus in the end of the first house (mouth area) in a square with Jupiter which will expand the effects of a weak Venus affecting the stetics, which in turn is in the house of mercury which is oposed to saturn (communication (mercury) will be restricted by cold Saturn) If this is your friend tell her to take care because she is loosing calcium.

I will, thanks! I find interesting that both charts present Saturn in Virgo (health) opposed to Mercury in Pisces (communication and oratory abilities). BUt differently from my cousin, this woman went thru all the corrective surgeries necessary, and her lip is now almost totally corrected. Her Saturn is also in squares and oppositions, but it makes a saviour sextile with Uranus.

I will try to find out some more details about my cousin (about the third kidney and the precise heart condition she has), altho I think it will take some time, since those subjects are very delicate. Maybe my mother knows a bit more.

Some doctors told her mother to have an abortion due to the measles (Sun opposed Saturn?), since the law allows it in such cases, but her mother refused. They told her that the baby could be born with serious problems and have a very short life, and also that she was in danger as well, but she didn't bend. If we consider the 10th as the mother's house, Saturn in 10th can be accountable for such events.

Thanks for taking a look at the charts.

[Carole]

Hi, starlink!

Thank you very much for the data.:) I have seen the chart and I couldn't help noticing the quincux between Mercury and Uranus, first thing. Do you know which the nature of his malformation is?

He has these quincuxes that added to those t-squares you mention (Saturn, Pluto and Venus), (Mars, Pluto and Venus) could well be responsible for health problems involving the nervous system. Uranus in the 12th house may cause great nervousness and if a lack of the essential vitamins for the nervous system had ocurred, then there would have incoordination, spasms, etc. It seems to me that all of this may point out some damage to the spinal cord.

If it's possible, let me know about his malformation, please.

Cheerio!

Carole

[Ekim86]

Interesting. I have heard that some number of combanations of planets can cause paralisis. Including Pluto conjunct saturn. My brother who is physically disabled due to Muscular dystrafy (hopefully i spelled that right) Has Pluto conjunct Saturn by an orb of about 2 degrees in the 2ed house. Just like this girls Pluto and moon conjunct right on the cusps of entering another sign. My brothers pluto and saturn conjucntion is also recieving a square from mars. (not helping) Shes got Uranus squaring her conjucntion, another malfic. And I m sure the Moon isn't to happy about the sun and mercury making an oppositon to her from her own sign either. Also Aleister Crowley wrote that cancer rules the alimentary canal as far as the bowels. This chart was very interesting to see for myself.


-As Above, So Below

[Trayc]

First time poster with a question: What are triple antigen shots.



Thanks astro teacher....i also have an interesting chart of a man who was born *normal*.After he had his triple antigen shots he went into a state of permanent retardation- no speech, limited hearing, virtually no *capabilities*. His natal chart shows very much *what will happen to him*....I will try also to post that chart- I just DUNNO why the charts aren't coming up the right size- I'm not doing anything differently as far as I know.(smile) but with the transits I'm having..anything is possible! But having a go anyway- Please guys let me know how the chart looks to you because the chart I posted is huge on my screen when I click on it...in terms of *woman* deaf, interestingly a few years ago she was offered a cochlear implant and declined it...When asked why she smiled and wrote on the notepad (how we communicate) *I'm happy*....She does have a grand trine there- mars/neptune/uranus/sat...in house 3..communication...north node bang on H6 cusp- something destined* about her deafness? and this node is inconjunct the asc....ur/sat in saturns sign is a harsh aspect, karmically speaking....she is a highly intuitive person BTW and very intelligent.She does not speak. So off to try to upload the chart of the young man we will call *Tom*....cheers, lillyjgc

[BobZemco]

First time poster with a question: What are triple antigen shots.

What Americans call "vaccinations." Triple Antigen is actually a trademark name for a series of vaccinations used in other countries.

Some people do have reactions to vaccines. I know of someone with polio who got it after receiving the polio vaccine. It happens, but only rarely.

Some older vaccines use a mercury compound as a preservative. It has been suggested that this causes autism, but that's unsatisfactory, since it has been used since the 1960s and the increase in autism is relatively recent.

Another preservative compound has been blamed, but it's inconclusive, in part because the medical diagnosis of autism has been changed, resulting in more people being diagnosed as autistic than in earlier times.

I believe there is tremendous value in using astrology in the timing of surgical and medical procedures, and even in diagnosing medical problems.

For example, someone may be losing their eyesight. Is it a problem with their eyes, high blood pressure or a tumor on the brain? That's three different possible causes, with three vastly different treament options.