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Elianah
12-04-2005, 01:10 PM
I was doing research on the planetary nodes this morning and came across this quote on the following correspondence course site

http://www.webspace4me.net/~blhill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.14.html

When he wrote the Ten Commandments General Moses had his intellectual limitations.

What struck me was not the "General" Moses, because that may be an artifact of the metaphysical training Carl Payne Tobey has received. What struck me was that phrase of "had his intellectual limitations."

I don't know just how to read that last phrase. What I think all astrologers need to recognize is that we all have limitations, whether physical, emotional, intellectual, spiritual, etheric, dimensional, etc. Each one of us has our own baggage to work through and release. Part of a good interpretation, IMHO, is where it leads the astrologer to in doing personal transformation. In Polarity Therapy we call this "Give a session, receive a session." The issue presented by the client may be on that the practitioner is working through consciously, subconsciously, unconsciously or in some combination. The client gives a new perspective on the issue needing to be healed and released and assists the practitioner covertly in the process.

In other words, a practitioner will attract those people where there is mutual benefit to be gained. It may not appear so at first blush, but the more one works with a client, the more one learns about the self of both people. This does not mean that the practitioner does personal work during the client's time, but more of a reflective stance afterward: what did I learn about myself through the healing relationship with this client in this session? What do I need to work on in myself as the healing relationship progresses?

Just as in Polarity Therapy, I feel that astrological consultation is a healing relationship. We (the astrologers) are providing guidance to a client on how to best use the energies of the entire chart to heal and transform in order to best project the soul of the client onto the Earth plane. We can guide and suggest. It is up to the client to choose how to use the information we give.

The thing that is important for any person, IMHO, to remember is this: I am as full of sh*t as the next person. The next person has different sh*t than me, and that does not make that person or me better or lesser than the other, only different. If we decide to spread manure together, we will transform it into fertilizer which can change ourselves in the process, if we allow it.

My 2˘ worth, as always.

C1
12-04-2005, 05:55 PM
< :) >Hi Elianah,
"Y e s t e r d a y....Mercury was
retrograaaaaaaaade....now it seems so
far away....."8)

and today your beautiful avatar appears, too!
You said it so well, IMVHO, that something is
awakening in our consciousness -- group consciousness --

that astrology practice is integral and integrated healing.
Thanks, E!
C1

P.S. I'm posting an article under "karmic astrology" or
wherever it seems appropriate -- this Forum is vast --
by Henny Ruckert (translated by Suzanne Duart) titled
"POWER AND THE COLLECTIVE--Pluto in Leo: We get
what we need."

Happy Merc Direct

Elianah
12-05-2005, 12:57 AM
Come join me on a trip
To the center of the Milky Way
The center of the center
Stars shining beyond the black hole
The rabbit hole of infinity
How far are you willing to go?

C1
12-05-2005, 05:17 AM
Ohhhhh,
how fast are we g o i n g? :!:
Fast, the horse
head nebula/
merging
space
everywhere/
c o n n e c t e d.
:wink:
C1

Lapis
12-05-2005, 05:52 AM
Oh stop you two I have a hard enough time staying grounded and verbalizing semi-decently as it is. :wink: I have wind burn already from flyin' around so fast through the new Aquarian Age Air!

I loved what you said Elianah about ours/theirs s*@%$. So very true and after all, this is the dimension to get very familiar and intimate with all colors, shapes, and sizes of it! Joint shite interactions of learning....

Summery Joy
12-05-2005, 03:05 PM
It's not Mercury Rx, darn it! It's Elianah and C1's correspondence that I never understand. I like the poetry though :D

C1
12-05-2005, 05:51 PM
:) Weeeeee!
C1

Elianah
12-05-2005, 06:09 PM
C'est la vie et la guerre. Ou c'est la vie et l'amour. :D

My poetry was about my new avatar. The reference to the rabbit hole was taken from the film What the %*Bleep!$ Do We Know.

The new avatar is taken from the Chandra X-Ray Telescope picture of the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. The avatar is actually the center of the picture, or the center of the center.

Hope that helps, Sore!

Summery Joy
12-05-2005, 08:44 PM
OOOOOHHHHH!

Yup, it helps. Thanks!

Elianah
12-05-2005, 11:09 PM
BTW...

How much of my postings are unintelligible? Just wondering...

Summery Joy
12-06-2005, 12:21 AM
Hmm. I had to look up unintelligible!!! So.. none, I'm the ignorant one here. :oops:

Elianah
12-06-2005, 12:35 AM
Sore,

I may be wrong here, but I am assuming that English is not your native language. I think that your command of English is excellent. I know native English speakers that write a lot worse than you do.

Summery Joy
12-06-2005, 01:04 AM
You assume correctly, my friend. Being Egyptian, Arabic is my native language. English is my second language though because I have been studying it since I was 4 or 5. That's a good thing my parents did, huh?

But I cannot blame my trouble with comprehending your conversations with C1 on language barriers. I understand every word... separately!! :lol: I just cannot make sense out of whole sentences.

Seriously now, I just think you guys are talking about something that is too advanced for me. I'm a novice, you know. I've only started learning astrology this year. Yet, I don't take it easy. I jump into every new astrological subject with no regards to the prerequisits to understanding it. Darn that Gemini ASC :) So, when I joke about not understanding, I'm sort of making fun of my own self. That Jupiter Conj. Sun wants it all and I need to teach it to focus and to take things one step at a time.

Elianah
12-06-2005, 02:12 AM
It isn't that you don't understand, only that it is not time for you to understand possibly.

First off, I have have a thing for astrophysics, quantum mechanics, string theory and complexity theory. C1 has a habit of setting off those fireworks within me and then I have to share.

I tend to turn to poetry because there are certain things that seem unexpressable in everyday prose but do work in poetry. C1 also brings that part of me. I think I was either a Celtic Bard or a troubador in a previous life because of my affinity for poetry—although I can't rhyme worth anything.

Every once in awhile there will be jokes that not all may get. For example, the DANGER! DANGER! WILL ROBINSON... is a joke that a particular age group here in the US will get because they get the reference to the 1960s TV program "Lost In Space" and have the visual of the family's robot going into its spiel. This does not mean you are not intelligent, just that you don't have the cultural frame of reference to draw from. Sometimes that will also sneak into my poetic responses to C1.

Also, I think that C1 is very close to my age, so we have both lived a bit more of life than you and that experience shows. When you reach our age and there is a person on a site like this of your age, you may have this experience from the other end. Lived life gives more time for contemplation, thinking through, releasing, transforming and transmuting, and becoming more of oneself. You will eventually move towards your cronedom and have this wisdom yourself.

What I would suggest is whenever you come across a concept in my posts that you don't understand, send me a p.m. and I'll be glad to reply. Don't keep yourself in the dark by being afraid to ask. That way we can learn together. :D :D :D

baker
12-06-2005, 06:39 PM
You guys are so much fun 8)