Using Solar Arcs to Rectify a Natal Chart

[Arian Maverick]

I have decided to create a new thread to continue the discussion of chart rectification begun in An Accidental Astrodienst Discover (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47228) because I think this is a great topic that may give us the opportunity to learn.

Arian Maverick

[starlink]

Excellent idea AM!

[Lela]

Hi!

I always use Solar Arc to rectify birth time! From my experience, best results are obtained when using dates of relocation. SA Uranus to angle (or SA angle to Uranus) gives very good results!
I found that love matters are not very good for rectification (unless you have marriage/divorce date) so I do not use them. After I find out correct birth time I use Solar Arc aspect to predict love matters!

I usually ask for 3-5 important dates (translocations, graduation, first job, something very important (but not love!)...) and then I try to align dates with solar arc aspects! Program that I use (Solar Fire) can work with seconds! My birth time (from birth certificate) was wrong in only one minute.

Hope this helps!

Lela

[ceres76]

Hi Lela!

And is it always the MC that is involved? For ex. in matters of relocation, which angle would it be? Also, you use a relocation chart do do the progressions, and then the solar arc on top of that, is that correct?

ceres76

[Arian Maverick]

I don't have any professional astrological software, which may be one of the reasons why I have been so confused about solar arc until now; Astrodienst only includes solar arc with transits and progressions included, and I'm still not sure I've correctly identified which planets are the SA ones! :rolleyes:

I suppose conjunctions to the natal Ascendant would be the most potent aspects to use, but unfortunately, the majority of planets in my natal chart are located in the first and tenth houses and have quite a ways to go to make a conjunction with the Ascendant or Nadir. Oppositions to the Ascendant would be the same as conjunctions to the Descendant and oppositions to the Midheaven would be the same as conjunctions to the Nadir, but these aspects still don't help me very much; unfortunately, neither does the square aspect, for my major angles are almost perfectly square each other. Would a trine or sextile of SA planets to my natal angles have any effect, or must the aspect be disharmonious to manifest itself in an obvious and recognizable way? Should I venture into minor aspects, and if so, which ones?

Yet another question: how old must one and how many major events must have transpired for the rectification process to work? I have not yet reached my Saturn Return and will not do so for another ten years or so, but I'm pretty sure that the time on my birth certificate is accurate within five minutes. Therefore, would less events be required to rectify my natal chart?

Finally, given my age, what sort of events could I use? I have collected all sorts of data for small, insignificant events that have taken place since I began studying astrology, but I don't think these are the types of events I should use for rectification. The only major ones whose exact dates I remember include the death of my grandmother and the death of my two favorite pets; of course other events have transpired over the years, but although I can remember details such as the month and year, the exact day is fuzzy. Can I use "generic" events that apply to large groups of people, such as the date of my high school graduation and the date I begin college (tomorrow)?

Does anyone know if one of the free downloadable astrology programs such as Astrolog, Canopus, or WinAstro have features that would make this work easier?

I apologize for all of the questions, but I have been longing to solve the mystery of my Ascendant/Midheaven signs since I found a copy of my birth certificate. I feel I have a Pisces Ascendant, but I need some tangible evidence to validate this although it is not very Piscean of me. As much as I would like to have more Virgo in my chart, I do not believe the nurses confused AM with PM. :D

Arian Maverick

[starlink]

AM, in Astrodienst, if you choose a natal chart with progressions and Solar Arc, then it gives you a list, beneath the chart, next to the grid (with only the natal aspects) of the different planets places. First row is the natal planets, next row the Progressions (usually in blue if I am not mistaken) and next to that the Solar Arc positions of the planets (in Green). A bit further on the right you see in red, blue and green the positions of the Ascendants and MC's.

[starlink]

Hi Lela! I am doing exactly the same thing as you do and it gives me also great results. I do ask for Marriage and Divorce, but it is indeed not a bad idea to ask this after having determined the Ascendant and MC.

[starlink]

AM, I dont really think it matters how old you are, but there should indeed be a significant occurence at some time, like indeed a relocation, in order to use a Solar Arc direction, not really the death of your pets, but of your parents yes.Now, you could have moved at the age of 3 from the US to Europe or something and that could be seen from a Solar Arc direction. Even if you dont remember and ask the parents, they usually will remember. Another major event is indeed graduation, start of a business (I saw that one recently) but I also could see major love relationships. It is difficult to see whether it is a marriage coming up or a very important relationship (after all some people live together for years and never marry), but Solar Arc Venus or Solar Arc 7th house cusp (cusps play a very important role!) or Solar Arc Moon to Venus, things like that give very good information.
I also have a big problem with my Ascendant. Even though the babybook says 6.45 PM, Ascendant is 29°41' Scorpio. Both my parents have died and my mother really did not remember things very well, so asking her when we moved from the Far East to Europe I have to find out elsewhere (letters written by them for instance).I was relocated about 6 times with my ex husband and before that also several times with my parents before the age of 12. I once rectified and still got Scorpio Asc. but at that time I was not all too proficient yet and I actually have to do it again.

[Arian Maverick]

Thanks, starlink :)

In your experience, how accurate must the dates be in order to effectively use aspects of the solar arc planets to the Ascendant? Did you note the exact day of each of your relocations, or did you go by more approximate memory?

I haven't relocated houses yet, but I have relocated schools--several times, in fact. I remember the exact day I started one school because it corresponded with my aunt's birthday, but I don't remember the exact day I started the second because I had more pressing matters to attend to at the time. Could I use these events for rectification, and if so, what planets and aspects should I pay particular attention to?

These school relocations both occurred within the same year; should I only use the first because the solar arcs will likely be similar?

Arian Maverick

[unukalhai]

Ah, interesting thread! I need to play around with rectification more, I've toyed with SA rectification a bit but haven't applied the technique enough to be confident with it.


Does anyone know if one of the free downloadable astrology programs such as Astrolog, Canopus, or WinAstro have features that would make this work easier?


Yes, astrolog32 will handle solar arcs quite nicely.

Pressing Alt+Shift+P will bring up the progression options dialog, there you can select "Solar Arc Directions". Then Alt+Shift+N puts the chart into Progressed&Natal mode, which has the natal positions on the inside with arc positions on the outer ring, showing aspects between them. Ctrl+Alt+P brings up the progressed object dialog, which allows you to select which objects to progress.

Alt+Shift+Z allows you to set data for the second chart, which in Progressed&Natal mode is simply the date for the progression. If you have an event chart already created, opening the event chart as Chart #2 (Alt+Shift+O) in Progressed&Natal mode progresses the first chart to the event date. In Progressed&Natal mode animation moves the progressed date, not the main chart, so you can use animation to watch arcs form. I recommend turning down the animation delay (Alt+Shift+G) to 25 because the default of 1000 makes it move quite slowly (1 step per second). Check out the animation menu for all the shortcut keys for the animation functions.

[Arian Maverick]

Thank you, unukalhai! :39:

Pressing Alt+Shift+P will bring up the progression options dialog, there you can select "Solar Arc Directions". Then Alt+Shift+N puts the chart into Progressed&Natal mode, which has the natal positions on the inside with arc positions on the outer ring, showing aspects between them. Ctrl+Alt+P brings up the progressed object dialog, which allows you to select which objects to progress.

I was able to get to the Progressions window using the Alt+Shift+P "code" you gave, but there, I didn't see Solar Arc Directions--only Solar Arc Progression. I clicked OK, but the chart didn't seem to alter at all :confused:

EDIT: I think I was able to get a comparison between the two charts, but although I was able to remove the Uranians, there's still a lot of data to process. Is there any way for the sake of rectification for only allowing aspects from SA planets to the Ascendant?

Arian Maverick

[unukalhai]

Thank you, unukalhai! :39:


You're welcome :)


I was able to get to the Progressions window using the Alt+Shift+P "code" you gave, but there, I didn't see Solar Arc Directions--only Solar Arc Progression.


Sounds like you are using Astrolog 5.41 or earlier rather than Astrolog32? I think the original Astrolog called them progressions and it was corrected in Astrolog32 to be called Solar Arc Directions as it technically should be.

Whatever the case, it's just a technicality -- technically, arcs are directions (directing the entire chart at the Sun's speed) rather than a progression, but often they are considered another "flavor" of progressions.

Ah, Virgoish details :P bane of my existance lol.

Astrolog32 can be found at:
http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/
should you desire to "upgrade" :)

(yes, I know there is a newer 2.02 version out from another guy, but he made some changes I don't like... )


I clicked OK, but the chart didn't seem to alter at all :confused:


You were probably not yet in Progressed&Natal mode, Alt+Shift+N, so you were simply still looking at the natal chart. Try Alt+Shift+N to get into Progressed&Natal mode, then change the progression type setting, you should see a change in the outer ring planets. If not, something is amiss.


EDIT: I think I was able to get a comparison between the two charts, but although I was able to remove the Uranians, there's still a lot of data to process. Is there any way for the sake of rectification for only allowing aspects from SA planets to the Ascendant?


Yes.
Alt+R brings up the primary chart (natal) object selections
Ctrl+Alt+P brings up the progressed (or directed, in SA mode, hehe) object selections.

So, to show only aspects from SA planets to natal ascendant, you'd select only the ascendant in the Alt+R window (clear out all the other checks)

EDIT: If I recall properly, the 5.x version of astrolog may be the opposite, you may need to check everything except the ascendant.. I think this was flipped around in Astrolog32, but I dont have a copy of 5.x handy to verify, but seem to recall from memory this is the case. bah!

Also, to get back to "normal" natal chart (single ring) mode, just press c... Alt+Shift+N takes you to Progressed&Natal, Alt+N to Transit&Natal. Nice easy switch, great for looking at the coincidences of progs&transits. On that note, Alt+Shift+F brings you to transit object selection, allowing you to restrict which objects are shown in transit mode.

Alt+Shift+A takes you to aspect settings, allowing you to customize which aspects to display.

I wish there were better docs on Astrolog32, I've wanted to write a manual for it for a while but haven't found the time. Too many projects already it seems!

[Themis]

hi all, i'm very interested in this thread. i was just wondering whether the Solar Arc direction is the only best way to rectify a chart? anyboby uses the second progressions or other techniques? who can recommend a good book on rectifications? thanks:)

[starlink]

Hi AM, well, the closer to the date the better of course. Usually the exact date is not remembered, but the year and month usually is and then you could almosts find the day with the use of the Solar Arc Direction in case it should be smack bang on your MC or Asc. I go by memory (of course) and ask around if I am not so sure anymore. The year is easy to remember, but the month already more difficult, let alone the day!! I once remembered only because I just got my daughter 17 April and because she was too small to travel I had to wait 2 month before I could follow my husband to Peru, so I knew it had to be in June of that year. Then I found in the babybook I made for her, the ticket receipt of my daughters first overseas flight, so I had the exact date. I was lucky there of course. But usually I have to really think hard, find correspondence, whatever. (pictures do nicely too, sometimes with dates on the back ("this is me arriving at airport in .....").

I saw you had trouble getting the Solar Arc directions. I, now for about 4 years, use Astrodienst because my computer crashed and my programm with it and the CD with the original I could not find anymore (got it 10 or more years ago). So I did not want to buy a new one straight away. Will maybe then buy the Solar Fire one, mentioned by Lela. But using Astrodienst, you dont have to do anything difficult at all. Just choose the option "natal combined with progressed and solar arc " and you get all the positions instantly (not the aspects they make with natal charts unless you do a progressed by itself. I dont think there is a Solar Arc chart by itself) but that you can figure out for yourself.

[Lela]

Ceres, I usually look for SA Uranus to Ascendant for relocation! That gives me best results. According to Noel Tyl: SA Uranus to Asc. is connected with new start (major), geographic relocation. SA Uranus to MC could also be connected with job change, change of profession, reorganization of family life and also geographic relocation. It is important to mention that explanations are a bit different when we are considering for example SA MC to natal Uranus! I use relocation chart for predictions.

Arian Maverick, there is demo version of Solar Fire on internet. When you downloaded it please send me a private mail:). Well, when using aspects from Solar arc, I was instructed to use only hard aspects (conjunction, square, opposition…) because these are the one that bring changes. Good aspects (trine, sextile) tend to leave things as they are. I did not have much success with time of deaths. If you want you can send me your private data by mail and I can look at it when find some free time.

Lela

[Atria]

Hi Arian, my teacher taught us how to rectificate and he discover many new symbolic directions we used them every day, and they help a lot in many ways, his teachings are in spanish , we are going to traduce them, but if like you can give me the events of your life or of someone else,day month and year, we can rectificate on line your chart or another one, and see how it works, we reach the time of birth until 5 or 6 seconds and then we use the multiple keys, if you want ll send you an example , the great Morin de Villefrance medieval astrologer , mathematician, a genius, rectificates always with a great precision, with Ptolomeo symbolic direction one year= one grade, (degree) and predict the death of king of sweden to Richelieu. we need 15 or 20 events of the life of the person and then i ll show you and who has interest,how to do it. My chart , my family and many friends are rectificated and not only helps ( a lot), we learn every day from them,
one of my wishes is that this method can be used by every one ... . Can we try to do it? for me will be a great happiness, i ll search the story of the prediction of king of sweden, the limitation for me is my english , so it i will be a bit slow to answer, the best Atria

[starlink]

Hello Lela, I have also seen inconjuncts being effective of changes as well as exact half sextiles strangely enough.

[starlink]

Atria, thank you very much for offering this rectification method. I am curious about it (I am always curious), and I think your English is very adequate. I could understand everything and that is what matters right? Let's see what Arian Maverick says about it.

[Lela]

Starlink,

I am writing diary since childhood (app. 20 years) and I am able to compare all aspects (progressions, transits, SA) to happenings in my life. However, I could not find clear explanation for majority of events. Ok, I found some most important aspects/events but also could not find some other important events.

SA conjunctions bring most visible changes (inner planets and angles, outer to inner planets/angles)! I could also trace squares and semisquares (From AstrologyNotes: When activated, the semisquare indicates drive and ambition. It is not a pleasant energy, but that actually makes it more useful as otherwise it might be too weak to encourage change. Since it promotes ambition, the result is to push something forward (which could possibly result in opposition from others). However, the end result should be positive if kept under control) but I am not so sure about semisextiles (From AstrologyNotes:The effect is to evolve in some way in order to reach a stable, functioning relationship between the issues represented by the planets, signs and houses. Planets in semisextile are in different genders, elements and qualities. The effect could feel harmonious or aggressive depending on the signs and planets, although the results are generally good since it encourages integration. Semisextiles containing a cardinal sign and/or angular house may be more obvious). Well, I could say that I am beginner in predictive astrology so that explains a lot:).

It is interesting that I found aspects that involve “general ruler” to be more adequate in solar arc and sec. progressions interpretation than aspects that involve ruler of natal houses.

Starlink, what literature are you using? What is your experience with midpoints?

Atria, I am also interested to learn your rectification method!

Lela

[Andonis]

Hi Atria, I will be very interested to hear your method. A detailed example will be great!
I will also be interested to hear about rectification methods......Thanks

[Arian Maverick]

Wow, a lot has happened since I last read this thread! :eek:

Unukalhai,

I went to the site you linked to, clicked on the picture next to Download Astrolog32 (v. 1) - English version, and now I am at the Astrolog32 Binaries (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/binaries.html) page. There are several links here and I am unsure which one to click, since I don't want to download the "wrong" version. Do you have Astrolog32 release version 1.30 (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/Astrolog32v130en.zip), Astrolog32 test version 1.33 (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/astrolog32_en.zip), or Astrolog32 CLI version 1.03 (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/astrolog32cli.zip)? I hope you don't say the last one, because I clicked on the link and received an error message that "this site is temporarily unavailable."

My head's still spinning a bit from all of these shortcut codes, but when I have more time, I'll read through your directions carefully and see if I can stumble my way through the process--sort of like this smilie, who seems to think he can fly. I'm sure I'll get it...eventually. :30:

Unfortunately, I've been procrastinating on some work I have to do, but I'll return to this thread and respond to the other posts later today. Thank you, everyone, for your advice and support!

Atria,

I'd love to give this a try! Unfortunately, I don't know if I can come up with enough dates to use because I've never been married, never had a major accident, have never undergone surgery, haven't experienced the deaths of my parents or siblings, etc. I can give you the date of my grandmother's death, the date of death of two beloved pets, the date I signed some legal documents for my family, the date I got my license, the date of my high school graduation, the first day I attended college...but I'm probably not the best example to use for demonstration, as much as I'm dying to know what sign is on my Ascendant.

Lela,

I was able to download a demo version of Solar Fire, but it is only able to calculate charts in the 1930s :(

Arian Maverick

[Atria]

Hello , thank you for your interest, all the events are important, those who you mentioned are useful too, with luck, maybe we can do it, sometimes a diary or an agend is important, the symbolic directions indicates important things and common things, cotidiane things too sometimes i have a problem, a lost of water in my house and i have a bad direction of Neptune to fourth house ( home) my teacher says to us to go shopping, woman clothe, when you have good directions of venus , and they work very well. At your chart Arian and for example to rectificate you can move saturn to midheaven if i am not wrong there are 14 degrees ,so at this age what happen to your mother or to your father or at your home because saturn make an opposition to four house, thinking in the analogy of the planet has and the houses he governs, in this case the eleven and midheaveaven, the same you try with mars you move it to four , you count the degrees 15 years what happen at that age , mars is the lord of eight , and is in the third house, may be a trip , Jupiter if you move it to IC 26 years old , is the lord of the nine house or studies, or a trip to another country and so on, all the events are important, with your pets may be a square at six , four, nine. Then we make a simple mathematic sum or rest, and i show how and we make a test with the future events with the others symbolic directins,This directions permit me to avoid some things, this april y said to my son to not drive at april 18 he has the symbolic direction uranus conjunct eight , but he dont listen my advice so he drive and he practically destroyed his car but he dont get hurt, i can explain why he was safe there were another indications that helps him. I send you the best and is very grateful to see the enthusiams you put at your work like moderators, and how you help others. Thank you starlink , for say that of my english , i ll try to improve it gradually.

[Arian Maverick]

At your chart Arian and for example to rectificate you can move saturn to midheaven if i am not wrong there are 14 degrees ,so at this age what happen to your mother or to your father or at your home because saturn make an opposition to four house, thinking in the analogy of the planet has and the houses he governs, in this case the eleven and midheaveaven

I did the math and have about 13 1/15 degrees (13 degrees 4') between my current Midheaven and my natal Saturn. However, as starlink mentioned in a post in the thread An Accidental Astrodienst Discover (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=47228):

There is a difference between birth times with fast moving Suns and slow Moving Suns, so when you have a slow moving one (between March and September, must look again to know exactly) then you you have to take 1° of "making up time" into consideration. So if an aspect is exact at 17°= 17 years of age (when natal planet is at 0°), then the real happening will be a year later in the life of the person, at 18 years.

According to the chart Astrodienst provides, my Sun was moving at a speed of 59' 5" the day I was born--slightly less than a degree.

1 degree = 1 year

(59 5/60) / 60 = 709/720

709 degrees = 720 years

Unfortunately, this fraction can't be reduced.

If I was really good at math, I'd know exactly how the 13 1/15 degrees I mentioned before works into this equation...but I'm not, and I don't. :p

I'll take a stab at it anyway by converting 709/720 into a decimal and seeing what happens.

709/720 = 0.9847222222....

This number, multiplied by 13 1/5, equals 12.99833333... or 12 599/600. I believe this may be how old I would be when Saturn was exactly conjunct my Midheaven by solar arc progression, but again, a fraction doesn't tell us much--I want to know the age in years, months, and even days, if possible.

The 12 corresponds to twelve years, I believe; now I must attempt to figure out what fraction of a year 599/600 is. A year has 365.25 days--the .25 accounts for leap year, which adds an extra day to the calendar once every four years. I really hope I have this right so far. Take a deep breath...

599/600 = x/365.25

x=0.60875

Now I think I would multiply 0.60875 by 599 and arrive at 364.64125.

So I would have been 12 years and 364.64125 days old.

Hopefully, I'm not making too big of an assumption thinking that this would be the day before my thirteenth birthday--April 4, 2002. I'll have to think if anything happened around that time to either of my parents...

I "graduated" eighth grade in June 2003, so I believe I still would have been in seventh grade in April 2002. Nothing is ringing a bell at this time, unfortunately. My mother had an operation when I was in eighth grade, nothing too serious, but this would occur be about a year later. This doesn't make much sense, though, because I would think the time should go backwards instead of forwards; it seems much more likely that I was born before rather than after the time recorded on my birth certificate because even with a normal, uncomplicated delivery, nothing the time is usually an afterthought and may be done after the newborn is washed and measured. Can grandparents be involved in any way? I don't remember the exact year, but my "grandfather" (not my father's biological father) had a heart attack some time around late elementary school, and using the 1 degree = 1 year rule, this would move my Midheaven back about two degrees or so. Would I use the rule of derived houses to determine which house my "grandfather" would be signified by and see if this is significant in some way? My father's (fourth house) mother's (ten houses from the fourth, or the second house) partner (seventh house from the second, or eighth). But my grandmother divorced my biological grandfather, and I read somewhere that the second partner skips two or three houses--so would this perhaps correspond to the tenth or eleventh house, like you mentioned before? He also had treatment for throat cancer, but I can't remember if this was before or after.

I'd better conclude this message before my brain explodes! :eek:

Insomniac Edit: I've been trying to fall asleep for about three hours now, but all sorts of random thoughts keep flowing through my head that I feel like I've been having a conversation with myself. So before I keep myself up for another three hours, I wanted to write a reminder to myself that I may also be able to use the date I registered to the forums and the date I became moderator.

Arian Maverick

[unukalhai]

I went to the site you linked to, clicked on the picture next to Download Astrolog32 (v. 1) - English version, and now I am at the Astrolog32 Binaries (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/binaries.html) page. There are several links here and I am unsure which one to click, since I don't want to download the "wrong" version. Do you have Astrolog32 release version 1.30 (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/Astrolog32v130en.zip), Astrolog32 test version 1.33 (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/astrolog32_en.zip), or Astrolog32 CLI version 1.03 (http://uk.geocities.com/astrolog32/astrolog32cli.zip)? I hope you don't say the last one, because I clicked on the link and received an error message that "this site is temporarily unavailable."

My head's still spinning a bit from all of these shortcut codes, but when I have more time, I'll read through your directions carefully and see if I can stumble my way through the process--sort of like this smilie, who seems to think he can fly. I'm sure I'll get it...eventually. :30:


Astrolog32 v1.33 is what I've been using for a good year now, been working nicely.

Try back later, geocities limits the transfer bandwidth on their free sites, it will come back, don't worry. If you can't get at it, let me know and I'll upload a copy of it for ya :)

Pretty much all those functions are available through the menus if you choose to point n click... Although I really like the shortcut keys... I'm just a keyboard kinda dude, hehe. Quicker, and the shortcuts tend to sink in after you've used them a while. If you get used to the shortcut keys you can navigate through quite a bit of analysis in a fairly short period of time. My Mercury-Uranus conjunction demands lightning speed, lol...

Lots of good ideas from everyone!! :D

[Sag Moon]

I have been using Astrolog for many years now. The versions of much recent releases I found not to work well for me.

I use Verion 5.40.

I am woundering how you use the aforementioned Binasries?

And the SA program is not accrate it's a few yrs. to slow for some reason.

Any guidance would help.

Thx!

[Atria]

Hi Arian , you remember the exact day you graduated or the exact day your mother operation, and the day of your grand father heart attack ?, lets try that hipotesis to try to rectificate your chart , to do this method I need the day , then y can do the count is much easier than those large math operations , one year =one degree, five minutes = a month , six days= one minute ,one day = one second. I am going to search some examples to send you.

[Atria]

Hi Arian , you remember the exact day you graduated or the exact day your mother operation, and the day of your grand father heart attack ?, lets try that hipotesis to try to rectificate your chart , to do this method I need the day , then y can do the count is much easier than those large math operations , one year =one degree, five minutes = a month , six days= one minute ,one day = one second. I am going to search some examples to send you.

[starlink]

Themis, Solar Arc has to be looked at in combination with Secondary Progressions and transits. If there is an exact Solar Arc aspect in your chart but no Progressions (to natal) or strong transits (to natal) than not much will happen. SA directions should be backed up by progressions and transits.
But of course you can also only look at future trends by just using the Progressed chart and the transits of the slow planets, or doing a Solar return chart for a year look.

[Arian Maverick]

Hi Arian , you remember the exact day you graduated or the exact day your mother operation, and the day of your grand father heart attack ?, lets try that hipotesis to try to rectificate your chart , to do this method I need the day , then y can do the count is much easier than those large math operations , one year =one degree, five minutes = a month , six days= one minute ,one day = one second. I am going to search some examples to send you.

I graduated on June 25, 2007.

I actually attempted to get the exact date of my grandfather's heart attack as well as his cancer treatment yesterday, but unfortunately, his memory is sketchy. He said he had his heart attack in June when he was 62, ironically, right after he quit smoking; since he was born in late April 1935, it must have been in June 1997, although he guessed the year 1998. Three or four years later, "before summer" (he guessed the month of May), my grandfather had treatment for throat cancer, which lasted seventeen weeks. He originally gave me the year 2001 before changing it to 2002, but I believe this was derived from the approximated 1998 year of his heart attack, so this might have actually occurred one year earlier than his guess of 2001--2000. I'm actually leaning towards the year 2000 myself, because I think I would have remembered being in middle school when hearing of this news and visited him in the hospital, I still felt very much like a child.

He suggested that I ask my grandmother, who tends to have a better memory for dates; unfortunately, I haven't had an opportunity to see her since I asked these questions.

My mother had her operation in February 2003.

I apologize for not having more accurate dates for you; I'll do my best to ask questions of my parents and my grandmother.

Thank you for this help! :)

EDIT: I just created the solar arc chart for my mother for the approximate time of her operation, and Mars was tightly conjunct her natal Saturn, which I have conjunct her Ascendant in the birth chart I created for her; unfortunately, the time of birth is not found on either of my parents' birth certificates, so I've had to go by anecdotes, which aren't terribly reliable. My mother recalls being told she was born in the morning "before lunch" and this would likely give her a Scorpio Ascendant; the sign takes about two hours to cross the horizon in the northern hemisphere. If the Ascendant represents the physical body, and Mars represents cutting, I cannot think of a better indicator of surgery...

In my solar arc chart, Mars is located at 28 Gemini 53', which is getting near my Nadir. Unfortunately, I'd have to adjust my time of birth back almost ten minutes to get my Nadir conjunct this degree.

EDIT 2: My grandparents just visited, and although they don't believe they have the medical paperwork anymore, they're pretty sure my grandfather had the heart attack in June 1998; the cancer treatment occurred two or three years later.

Arian Maverick

[unukalhai]

I have been using Astrolog for many years now. The versions of much recent releases I found not to work well for me.

I use Verion 5.40.

I am woundering how you use the aforementioned Binasries?

And the SA program is not accrate it's a few yrs. to slow for some reason.

Any guidance would help.

Thx!

Ok... Looked into the details of Astrolog, Astrolog32 and solar arc calculations.

The current version of Astrolog (16 bit, version 5.41G) and Astrolog32 (32bit) do solar arc calculations properly and have results that match Kepler, as long as you have the swiss ephemeris installed, which of course is required for accurate calculation.

the old 5.40 (and earlier) 16 bit versions of Astrolog uses a manually specified direction rate. By default this is a degree per 365.25 days, the Sun's average speed. The Sun moves at a varying rate throughout the year. Most of the time the Sun will be moving at a different speed at birth, so to get a solid result from 5.40, you have to figure out the direction rate from the Sun's daily motion, manually. Not much fun!

This is the reason your calculations are off. Using my chart, the calculations using the average daily solar motion, 365.25 days per degree, throw the solar arc hits off about 1/2 degree, equal to 6 months of arc or 2 minutes of birthtime inaccuracy, as the angles move 1 degree in 4 earth minutes. If your natal Sun is especially slow or fast, several years arc inaccuracy is possible, especially in one's later years as the incorrect motion rate throws things even further off.

This was considered a bug (rightly so) and fixed in version 5.41G, and the wording in the user interface was also updated to "solar arc directions" to indicate this. 5.41G and all Astrolog32 versions compute the proper solar daily motion and use this automatically. This was logged as fix #100 in the astrolog 5.41G release notes.


* 100. Changed calculations of Solar Arc. Original Astrolog calculates
there actually directions, where all planets and house cusps positions
are moved forward to an amount equal in degrees to the number of years
that have passed between the specified date and the chart in question.
Because real (even mean or average) motion of Sun isn't 1 degree per
day, resulting Solar Arc Sun position doesn't match with secondary
progressed Sun position (but they must match).


This fix was carried forward to all versions of Astrolog32, as well.

The latest 16bit Version 5.41G can be had from:
http://astrolog.offline.ee/astrolog/changed/changed.shtml

I uploaded a copy of Astrolog32 v1.33. This archive includes the program, the ephemeris files, and the atlas files, all in one download.

http://www.Justupit.com/7125113dffbdbe770d975a1eb2f82ac9

Download the zip, open it, and drag the ast32 folder (inside the zip) to the root of your C: drive (c:\). This creates c:\ast32, and the needed sub-folders. The executable is c:\ast32\main\astrolog32.exe, simply run it. Create a shortcut on your desktop for ease of access. There is no setup to run.

[Arian Maverick]

I've finally got version 5.41! :D

Now I'll have to go back and reread your instructions for solar arcs and see if the process is any easier now that we're both using the same version ;)

Thanks so much!

Arian Maverick

[Atria]

Hi, Arian with patience you will obtain dates from your past but also from the future are very useful, when my teacher rectificate my chart i didnt remember almost anything only the date of marriage, and birth of my children, only four dates, but he with effort he arrives ,with only one date is very difficult to rectificate, only the graduation, may be a hipotesis of pluto, a trine to the ascendant or a conjunction to nine house, did you make a trip near your graduation? dont give up. The best Atria

[Atria]

Hi Starlink and Andonis too, if you want to try the rectification of your natal charts we can do it with the data or the events of your life you can collect , more data the rectification is easier, few more difficult, the rectification is good for many reasons ,and it allows your to use the multiple keys( symbolic directions) of Spicasc all data are welcome, Spicasc and Morin the VIllefranche teachs us that symbolic directions (multiple keys) are stronger than transits, his teacher make a surgery with good symbolic direction and bad transits, his surgery was exitous, unluckily Arian has only one event the graduation, but i hope with more time he will have more, I am going to search examples, better to begin with a heaven more auspicious than these days, we were talking of eclipses in the other thread, but to recolect data may take you some time. The better example is to experience yourself this directions day by day.

[Sag Moon]

Unukalhai
How do I trsansfer all my charts into the new version?

I might just be misreading somwthing you have written.

TIA

[Arian Maverick]

Hi, Arian with patience you will obtain dates from your past but also from the future are very useful, when my teacher rectificate my chart i didnt remember almost anything only the date of marriage, and birth of my children, only four dates, but he with effort he arrives ,with only one date is very difficult to rectificate, only the graduation, may be a hipotesis of pluto, a trine to the ascendant or a conjunction to nine house, did you make a trip near your graduation? dont give up. The best Atria

Oh, I hadn't even thought of using the dates of trips!

Yes, I went to Hawaii with my parents during spring vacation, which was several months before graduation. We certainly don't take luxury trips like this every year, but my mother loves to travel and has told me that she would gladly eat tuna fish and noodles every day for a year in order to save money for such an excursion. Fortunately, we didn't have to resort to such drastic measures ;)

This trip was from April 21 to April 28; we arrived home at 7 AM on April 29th, which was another important day because my high school's wind ensemble had qualified for the state band festival back in March, and the concert was that day.

Another big trip was to London in August 2004; it was either from the 14th to the 21st or the 21st to the 28th.

Arian Maverick

[unukalhai]

How do I trsansfer all my charts into the new version?


They should open right up, the file format for saved charts did not change.

If you are using the astrolog32 archive that I created, it looks for charts, by default, in the directory C:\AST32\CHARTS, so just copy them to that folder. You can change this by going to the Settings menu, Directory Settings option, and entering a new folder for your charts. Be sure to save that setting to astrolog32.dat (the main configuration file... File, Save Current Settings) if you change it.

One change they did make in astrolog32, from the previous versions, was to use the file extension ".dat" for charts -- When you go to open charts (File, Open Main Chart, or chart 2/3/4), it will only show you .dat files. You can have it display all files by selecting "All Files (*.*)" from the "Files of Types" selection in the open dialog. The file extension is just a naming thing, the chart files maintain the same format. When you save new charts, it defaults to saving them with a ".dat" extension.

Hope that helps :)

[Sag Moon]

OK- I DL'd the 5.41G version and then Highlighted all my charrts and transfrered them over ,but said "NO" when they wanted me to replace them with the old Files from 5.40.

More detail in this version ,thank you,I just hope that nothing goes awry using the newer version.

I still do not understand what this v133 File is suppose to do yet?

I will re-read what you wrote to try to figure it out.

One thing I am not seeing are the aspect lines that I had used in my aspect file that I use for transit charting.The aspects are tighter orbed for some reason I have not figured out as yet.

[starlink]

Hello Atria! Thank you for giving so much information about rectification. It is awfully difficult. I too have (had I think) an Ascendant at 29°42 Scorpio, but it starts already with the information. Baby book says 6.49 PM, Birthcertificate states 7PM. Lovely!! As I have loads of data and made a chart of each of them starting with the data of relocations, then wedding, divorce. I noticed that the Progressed planets to my Natal (incl. Asc. and MC) are usually very helpful as well. I had a Progr. Asc. opposing Uranus and SA Mercury exactly at 26° Taurus, opposing my new 26° Asc.when I relocated to Peru in 1972. The Solar Arc MC (rectified to 20°32')exactly trined my Sun. But SA Uranus did not touch anything!! It was at 13° Cancer.Earlier on in 1956, our family had to leave Indonesia because Sukarno threw out all the Dutch. Again, no SA Uranus,(it was at 28° Gemini, close to inconjuncting Asc) but SA Moon exactly at 26 Scorpio , conjunct Asc. and SA Mars also at 26° (Aries) exactly inconjuncted my Asc. SA PLUTO (supposed ruler Asc.) sextiled exactly my natal Uranus.
Solar Arc MC exactly trined my Mercury, that's why I thought, Bingo, I take 26° Scorpio as my Ascendant instead of 29° and I got 20°.32 on the MC. BUT THIS MEANS THAT I WAS BORN HALF AN HOUR OR 15 MINUTES EARLIER THAN MENTIONED in my babybook. Could that be possible?

Going on I find in the relocation of 1980 SA Uranus at 21° Cancer, no exact hit, unless maybe to MC, a half sextile, but he conjuncted my 9th house cusp exactly at 21°. SA Mars exactly conjuncted my natal Uranus and SA Moon exactly opposed natal Uranus (Uranus = ruler 4). Very appropriate I thought. So I take the 9th house cusp as very important when looking at relocations.
In 1985 when moving to Holland, finally a SA Uranus hit at 26°32' Cancer, trining my newly chosen Asc. at 26°13'. At the same time Progr. MC (0° Libra) opposed Progr. Moon(0°Âries)and entered a new Sign. Progr. Asc. also had just entered a new sign . SA Sun sextiled MC exactly.

When looking at engagement which was at exact date 1 year before marriage, I get more information from SA Venus and Mars exact hits to midpoints from Sun/Mercury, Moon/Mars and Moon/Uranus then to Asc. or MC:At the time of divorce (day it was proclaimed), SA Uranus exactly trined Venus and SA Pluto (Asc. ruler) exactly trined the Moon/Uranus midpoint.We had an amicable divorce, hence the trines I guess. There were no other Uranus, (Progr or SA) to Asc. or MC. Trans. Uranus was squaring Asc. at 28°. But what I did see was the Midpoint between Moon and Saturn at 25° Virgo being aspected by SA Mercury (square), SA Saturn(conj.) and SA NorthNode (sextile) all at 25° of theîr signs. Again, the midpoints activated when it comes to happenings of emotional/relational nature. Progr. Moon was at 25° Scorpio, conj. Asc. and also sextiling the Moon/Saturn midpoint. Interesting.

So even though my newly found Asc. indicates a birthtime almost half an hour earlier, could that be right?? I am now going to look at the 7 PM time (just found out last night, looking at my birthcertificate), but I have a feeling that my dad did not really know and just took an approximate time. It was a very difficult birth where mother and child both almost died (forceps) so it could be that nobody really looked at the exact time then.

[Atria]

Hello Starlink, to rectificate with this method i need the days of the events, if your remember the day of your moving to Holland will be wonderful moving pluto to midheaven using symbolic Ptolomeo direction one year = one degree, gives 13 years old , pluto is in the nine (trip, or another country) also has a subregence at capricorne the third house of movements, and conjunt midheaven express changes in life may that is one probable hipotesis and with the day and month i can make the count ( maths calcullation i will show you), later we have to corroborate with others events of your life with the multiple keys, the other symbolic directions, I need other events with the days month and year if is it possible, another hipotesis could be Saturn conjunct to cuspid of 9 th gives nine years the exile from indonesia, in that case we move saturn at reverse. what happen at 22 years old , saturn conjunct midheaven and mars conjunct 5 house? and at 20 years old when uranus make conjunction with the seven and make an opposition to ascendant ? always moving it one year, one grade. All the dates are welcome. the best Atria

[starlink]

Hello Atria, I think I have something for you, but not a specific date (I dont have passports from when I was a child anymore.I found the passports of my parents with loads of dates between 1951 and 1953. Apparently that was homeleave.(they lasted 2 years) Now, the last date, probably when we went back, by ship, was 24 Nov. 1953.(Visum issued). Another Visum for a trip to Holland was issued on the 15th of December 1947 (I was born 5th May, so I was 7 month old) and another stamp with 16th Dec. 1947.
30.12.1950 we entered Holland, Rotterdam Port and left 22 Aug. 1952.
I have no idea if you can make something of this.
What we do know is, that I was 9 years old when leaving Jakarta, so that Saturn on the 9th cusp could be right. At 22, june 27, 1969, I married. At 27 June 1968 I got engaged.
At 20 I think it was my parents leaving Europe to go to Indonesia again. I stayed in Holland.


1st of Sept. 1986 I entered Switzerland, coming from Holland where we stayed only 10 month.
June 1972 I flew to Lima, Peru, I know, because on 17 April 1972 my daughter was born and I was not allowed to travel with her before she was 2 month old because she was so small. So I guess around 15th of June.
12 December 1974, Son was born. (I flew from Holland to Spain where we were going to live when I was 7-8 month pregnant), so that is another move.
That must have been in Oct-Nov. 1974, but I really dont know the date anymore. Very difficult to remember, I should have kept a diary! Hope this can give you an idea. Thanks very much!! Star.

[starlink]

Atria, the Solar Arc directions are also 1° for a Year, so I wonder what the difference is between your method and the Solar Arc Method. You must have a good teacher!( maths calcullation i will show you Oh boy, I am terrible at math as soon as it gets complicated......

[Atria]

Hello Starlink, with this dates we can do some hipotesis, its only one calculation, i think later i will need more dates to corroborate the hipotesis, i know that is difficult to search them, but sometimes later we remember another events, lets try one by one with patience and a bit of luck, if i move Jupiter to a conjunction with the ascendant may be an indication of the trip because it is the lord of the 9 house , at six years of age, i make this little calculation 24 november 1953
substract - - 5 may 1947
19 days 6 months 6 years
to the date of the event i subsract your birth data and with the result of 19 days ,6 months, 6 years . I count the months like this: from 5 of may to 5 of november are six months completes and then 24-5= 19 days of november that convert to minutes and seconds
6 years= 6º
one month = 5 minutes
six months = 30 minutes
6 days = 1 minute
18 days = 4 minutes
1 day = 1 second

6 years 30 months 19 days
6º 33 m 01s i convert days in minutes, then I add the grade minute of jupiter
6º 33m 01s
+ 23º 49m (Jupiter)
29º 82m 01s
00º 12m 01s that is the ascendant rectificated of this Hipotesis : Jupiter conjunct Ascendant the trip
Ascendant= 00º saggitarius 12m 01s , I use Placidus and Solar Fire, i put the new ascendant and then i begin to put the multiple keys of Spicasc and see if in the events you give me are directions that are congruent and coincide with the events . This are the only math operations , not any more, tomorow or at sunday i continue, but an important thing is the exact coordenates , the city of natal birth is Tanjungpinang? 0 55N 104 27E . Another question when you get married you made a trip of honeymoon? I married too at 1969, and my daughter birthday is at 18 of april , but i always live at the same city and country. The best Atria

[unukalhai]

The aspects are tighter orbed for some reason I have not figured out as yet.

Astrolog 5.41G and later default to using smaller orbs for "comparison" (dual ring; transit, progressed-to-natal, etc).

Settings -> Aspect Settings .. "decrease comparison chart's orbs" -- set that to zero and it will use the same orbs for all charts. The logic here is many feel transit and progressed orbs are smaller than natal orbs. The default, 2.5, subtracts 2.5 degrees from each aspect orb in transit/progressed dual-ring mode.

If 5.41g is working for you, don't worry about 1.33 :)

[Atria]

Hi Arian we can make one hipotesis with the trip to London, when Mercury conjunct ascendant may be the trip to London, Mercury is the lord of 3 house, at 15 years of age , you have two dates if the trip one was at:
14 august 2004
-5 april 1989
9 days 4 months 15 years= 15º 21m 30s then i add the position of Mercury i moved mercury in an inverse sense of clock to conjunct the ascendant i sustract the previous result (15º 21m 30s) to mercury, instead of adding like the example of Starlink, because at her example the planet Jupiter is moving at the sense of the clock ....
16º 30m 60 (Mercury)
- 15 21 30
1º 09 30 this is the ascendent rectificated with this hipotesis Mercury conjunct the ascendant the trip to London, he is the lord of third house , shorts trips, is one possibility, then we have to test it if it is true. then later i ll show you how to put the multiple keys , but if you remember another dates, you have some with your pets ? I ll be thinking of another hipotesis , but when i do a rectification i need 15 or 20 dates of the life , but if there is no dates of past you have to collect future events a diary is excelent.

[starlink]

Good morning Atria! Wow, this method is really impressive. You could be very right with the early Asc. in Saggittarius. I did not know that short trips or vacations could also be used. I always thought that the event should be a major one and should have made an impact on the person. Then I can give you for sure more info, I have the passport ready!! Especially for 9 house trips, oversees, I have dates for you. Must have breakfast, I am starving right now and will come back later. Thanks you very much for all your input. I printed it out and hope I will understand it all after studying it. Very interesting and it does not even look so difficult. Great! Cheers, Star.

By the way, when I married, (in Hongkong) we first drove around to the Chinese border for a couple of days, after that we took a ship to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia where my parents were living at the time. Must have been maybe a week after the wedding, cannot remember. Oh, and of course, I was living in Holland so we flew to Hongkong at least one month before the wedding. I will ask my ex husband, we see each other regularly and see if he has kept his old passports.

Oversees vacation: 24 June 2000, leaving 6 July 2000
October 8, 2000
Oversees vacation April 1, 2002, leaving April 18, 2002
April 28 1997 trip to US
December 17, 1997
Then I have 3 stamps for Hongkong: 26 (immigration stamp), 27 ( and 30 August 1997, all in Hongkong. I dont understand why there are 3 stamps with different dates. I only stayed in HK at that time.

I have more, but I think this is enough for the moment.
My last oversees trip this year was
Leaving home May 4, (arriving May 5) and leaving for home again on May 18, 2007
Then oversees vacation : 24 June 2000 arriving, 6 July leaving.
Oversees trip: March 18, 2002 and back April 1 2002

[Andonis]

Hi Unukalhai, I also have installed Astrolog32. One thing which is different from astrolog 5.4 which I have had is the glyphs (icons) of the planets and other stars on the very RIGHT vertical column of the chart, which was very useful especiallyfor asteroids and minor stars. This is not being displayed in this version. I guess this meaybe a setting. Do you know how to make them appear again? Thanks. Andonis

[Andonis]

Hi Arian , ....... one year =one degree, five minutes = a month , six days= one minute ,one day = one second.

Hi Atria, I guess you meant in the above ........... 0.1day= 1second...

Thanks

[starlink]

Hello Lela, sorry to be so late answering you. When I came back to this thread we were already on page 2 and your question was on page 1 (and I had not gotten a notification of it and did not go over the first posts again. )So I saw it only now!
My experience with midpoints is NIL. I am actually just looking into them, I am unfortunately a lazy one when it comes to more little things like midpoints, starts, Chiron, Lilith and the lot. Only since I join this Forum, my attention was drawn to it and in this rectification one, when I was busy trying to figure out my chart, I saw all of a sudden that a lot of midpoints came into prominence, so I will look at those in the future. I just use them like for instance a transit going over a T-square focal planet. That one is also in the middle of two other one's, so that is how I use Midpoints. The transiting planet over the midpoint will add a special energy to the already existing energy between the two other planets, either exciting them or helping them to resolve a problem.
My literature is mostly coming from books like Marion March ("the only way to learn Astrology", Stephen Arroyo's books (all of them) and Karen Hamaker Zondag, also most of her books + diverse other one's on the Nodes, Solar Arcs (Noel Thyll), Alan Leo (The progressed Horoscope), Predictions in Astrology (Noel Tyll again) etc.

[unukalhai]

Do you know how to make them appear again? Thanks. Andonis
Alt+b or View Menu -> Print Nearest Second

When the arcsecond (21Vir08'52 vs 21Vir08) is shown, it doesn't display the glyphs to make space for the seconds.

And interesting, Starlink, I had not thought of midpoints when it comes to rectification... although I use midpoints extensively in both mundane/event analysis as well as pinpointing exact times of energy release (mainly for speculative prediction). Now it seems obvious they would be important in rectification :)

Curious.. do the midpoints that are "lighting up" for you represent the situation (ie VE/MA for relationship issues, etc) or are they more related to house rulerships (IE Ruler1/Ruler7) ? Lately I've been noticing in general midpoint work that house rulership of the midpointing objects can be very important... I hadn't noticed this until lately, but I think when working with midpoints of a natal chart, considering the house rulership of the midpointing objects is a must-do.

[Andonis]

Thanks brilliant.....I like the glyphs :-)

[Atria]

Hello Andonis , apologize, i have to tell to Arian and Starlink, to make the calculations i have to use this ,
one year= one hour
one month= five minutes
one day = 10 seconds
I send you later the site of my teacher, h one of the articles is traduced , the multiple keys, his great discover, and then i ll search an example, at that site of are many examples , but are in spanish, you know something about Morin?

[Sag Moon]

Simple question

I spent a few hours setting up the 32bit version,but for the life ofme I could not figure out how to get the Progressed chart o show the SA chart.

Can you give m a clue to one that seems clueless,LOL?
This version is much better in terms of info and accurate data shown,down to seconds instead of miute's .

TIA

[starlink]

Hi Unukalhai! In my case it really reflected the wedding and divorce. Let me give you an example. My divorce was finalized on July 11, 2002. SA Pluto, (now maybe not anymore ruler of my Asc. but certainly dispositor of Moon and Jupiter, my maybe NOW Asc. ruler) was trining the Moon/Uranus midpoint. I have Uranus in my 7th house. We had a very amicably divorce.
SA Uranus was exactly squaring my Sun/Mercury midpoint.
When I got engaged, SA Mars, ruler of my 5th house and maybe Asc. ruler exactly conjuncted the Sun/Mercury midpoint (again, same midpoint)
SA Venus exact. conjuncted Mercury and squared Moon/Mars midpoint
SA Neptune exact. opposition Sun/Venus midpoint (very typical dont you think?)
Progressed Venus exactly conjuncted my (again) Sun/Venus Midpoint when I married
Progressed North Node ex. trined my Moon/Mars midpoint (also again this midpoint).
So yes, it was very illuminating for me to discover this. I started looking for SOME obvious planetary position related to weddings etc. but there was really nothing very telling to be found, so I started with the midpoints.
(my Sun rules the Midheaven by the way, always important with weddings and Mercury has to do with contracts and is ruler of my 8th and 11th).

[starlink]

Atria, but are in spanish I speak Spanish because I lived for 16 years in South America!

[Andonis]

Hi Sag Moon, See post 11 in here by unukalhai ......(Control Alt P)

Atria,...Sorry I dont understand Spanish but I will try ....


Simple question

I spent a few hours setting up the 32bit version,but for the life ofme I could not figure out how to get the Progressed chart o show the SA chart.

Can you give m a clue to one that seems clueless,LOL?
This version is much better in terms of info and accurate data shown,down to seconds instead of miute's .

TIA

[Andonis]

Hi Unukalhai,
I have another question on the Astrolog32. When I do the Solar Arc chart, and it looks good, the time of the new location is wrong. for example, although the location is correct of the solar arc (co-ordinates) the time displayed is wrong. (for example is shows ST-5.00 GMT) while it should be GMT. How do we change the progressed time? Thanks in advance...

[Atria]

Good news¡¡ I am happy, the site is www.usuarios.lycos.es/spicasc/ (http://www.usuarios.lycos.es/spicasc/) seccion Astrologia. Multiclaves . Rectificacion. With the dates of the trip , i am going to search more symbolic directions to see if the first hipotesis is correct.

[Atria]

Starlink , the city of Tanjunpinang of your birthdayis correct?

[Atria]

Hello Andonis, the site is www.usuarios.lycos.es/spicasc/ (http://www.usuarios.lycos.es/spicasc/) Astrology section, Multiclaves = Multiple keys is traduced, Spicasc was a great mathematician, he died at 2000.

[Arian Maverick]

This is a HUGE amount of information to absorb! :eek:

I'm going to post one of the articles (Multiple Keys in Symbolic Directions (http://www.usuarios.lycos.es/spicasc/clavmultd.html)) here so we can easily reference it:

Multiple Keys in Symbolic Directions



(Published in “MEDIUM COELI” N° 8, 1997 and refreshed on 7/31/1999)




Dr. Spicasc (Dr. Carlos Raitzin)









In the present article I will display very clearly a detail of the precise results of my research, which were previously presented in a short article printed in 1993 in the magazine ATMA-JNANA.



I will include later extensions and improvements of these findings that I trust, will render ample service to serious and hard working astrologers. And I say findings because these keys have not been invented but found by myself starting on speculative hypothesis fully confirmed by later experiences.



I will devote this article to the foundations of these findings and promise some other writings in the future with more possible uses for practical cases.

For those who are taking the first steps in Astrology let us make it clear that symbolic directions are those that in the directional arc are measured on the ecliptics. If a native has Mars in his rectified radix at 16° of Aquarius and his MC at 14° of Cancer; moving this Mars 1grade per year in the direction of the signs (or direct) we will have the direction Mars trine MC when Mars gets to 14° of Pisces, that is to say exactly when the person is 28 years of age. If we move Mars on the opposite direction in respect to the signs (or converse) we will get the direction or aspect Mars opposition MC when the person is 32 years of age, when Mars get to 14° of Capricorn, always at the speed of one grade per year.

We call this to direct planet Mars and in that way we have two directions, a direct one when we move Mars along the signs and a converse one when we do it in the opposite direction.

If the information is precise (rectified chart with an error under or equal 3 seconds in the time of birth) both directions will correspond with normally concordant vital events (congruent) following the Theory of Determinations of the great Morin de Villefranche.



These findings have been widely tested during centuries and in fact, directions have proved to be the best experimental test for the validity of Astrology. Of course, in the former example we have considered precise grades for the sake of simplicity but in a practical case it will be necessary to take into account precise minutes and seconds in the arc. If we are not careful on that, the predicted dates for the future events will result erroneous. The Theory of Determinations is the only one that allows us to exactly predict what is going to be the nature of the events that will take place when the dates fall due in every direction in the life of the person.



In the case of the key (or angular speed) of a grade per year we will have that one month corresponds to 5 minutes in the arc, six days will be a minute in the arc and one day will be ten seconds in the arc, to which we will arrive through a simple proportion. This first key is generally called Ptolemy’s.



Our research consisted in pointing out the efficient keys in the symbolic directions, considering them as such to those that when due resulted congruent (concordant) with vital events observed in the strict sense of Morin de Villefranche and his Theory of Determinations. Naturally, I feel very grateful to the enormous group of friends who cooperated and helped to publish these old and new results, after having rectified their charts and observing their events in life on a daily basis, as well as comparing them with my predictions. All of them helped taking down notes of whatever happened to them. But I should point out three people who participated in a very active way. In the first place I want to mention my friend and disciple, the architect Estanislao Juan Kores, who produced his own rectifications and checked several thousands of directions in different cases. He even rediscovered the series Siriumc a short time after I did. We worked together to rectify the birth charts of Mozart and Beethoven, which were printed respectively in “Mercurio-3” (Barcelona) and “Ciencias Milenarias” (Buenos Aires).

In the second place, I would like to mention my wife and youngest daughter who typed tirelessly my manuscripts apart from keeping control on their own directions. My wife, Dr. Diana Romero de Raitzin, has practised a lot of very interesting rectifications using my multiple keys, among them those of the birth charts of S.S. the Dalai Lama and Dr. Martin Luther King (Jr.), both of them about to be printed in the magazine “Ciencias Milenarias”.

Our success has been so overwhelming and the results so solid and positive that the moment has come to publish them in detail together with some clarifications and commentaries on my experience for a more efficient use of the symbolic directions. My only wish is always the same: to help in the formation of a serious and well prepared school of Astrology in Argentina, based on experimental facts. Only in this way Astrology, which is today only an art or a pre science, will be considered a science. We can find in it real and solid facts but unfortunately they are often ignored.



It would be important to understand that the only possibility of progress is the experimental method, comparing the consequences of theory with the observed facts. This short article does not reflex at all the hard work we have been exercising for six years to arrive to this state of affairs.



My speculation started from the well known fact that the keys of one grade = one year (Ptolemy) and Dwadashamsa of two grades thirty minutes = one year, are proved to be very effective in the sense above mentioned. The logical question was if there were other reliable keys that would allow me to predict a greater percentage of facts in the life of the persons.



The idea came because the number of predictable facts through the well known efficient keys was small even when adding to symbolic directions the mundane primary directions (under the Ptolemy keys) and under the pole of the significator (under the Naibod key).

The primary directions in both cases cause the inconvenience of having a wider orb than the symbolic ones (that is to say, are less precise as regards coincidence in time with the date of the facts). That is why I believe it to be very often a great mistake to rectify birth charts with the primary directions, mainly because the calculations are more complicated and harder than the symbolic ones.



Let us remember that rectifying birth charts is a very common and essential part of the job of an astrologer who believes himself to be honest and competent. A radix would only be considered rectified when afterwards we can observe very clearly on several opportunities that the planet-cusp directions coincide with vital events when the date falls due and not in any other way. If an astrologer does not know how to calculate directions and rectifications he should complete his studies because otherwise his work would lack seriousness and depth.



That is why it is not correct to consider a chart as rectified if we have not tested it on numerous controls with planet-cusp directions that would show that such rectification has been well done. We have to remember that a correct rectification can only be achieved through these planet-cusp directions. The planet-planet directions are not useful in these cases because they do not allow us to detect subtle variations in their due date when the time of birth changes.



We still have the problem to determine if there are other efficient keys, but we have not been able to find them yet. There are enough reasons to believe that in the primary directions every individual has his own personal keys but it is not easy to determine these keys in each case. Our research in this other area is in full development.



As regards secondary directions we can say that their value is not really important in the way they are used today, being very small the percentage of coincidences with the real facts. This is not only a personal opinion but a solid experimental result corroborated by Gustav Schwickert and Jacques Reverchon. Perhaps, for these directions, we should go back to the calculating technique which used to be applied by Guido Bonatis based in the quotient meridian/semiarc distance (and not in the half hour) which made this astrologer famous in his time because of his very precise predictions regarding the dates of the events. But because people wanted to simplify the calculations, they have lost efficacy…



There are still further disillusions and very serious ones. Trying to predict more than they could astrologers have been incorporating a great number of sensitive points with very little value for the interpretation or for the directions and they have turned out to be completely useless and inefficient like asteroids, Chiron, Transpluto, corrected Lilith, Arabic points (including the part of fortune) fictitious planets from the Uranian Astrology of De Witte, Johndros’ points (Ecuatorial Ascendant and vertex), etc.



Very few times we can see efficacy in the directions with the nodes (medium) and the true nodes are simply useless.



Neither have I got any results with the directions according to the solar arc whether direct or converse except in the obvious and trivial case in which the directional arc coincides with that of the classical symbolic one of a grade = a year. On the contrary many times important things are disregarded like the aspects to the cusps and the determinations by antiscia. Trends are more powerful than the common sense of the experimental method…



I am not expressing an opinion but what I have long experimented with the passing of time and I feel satisfied that Alexander Marr expressed himself in a similar way (and perhaps more strongly) in an interview printed by the Spanish magazine “Mercurio-3”. Let us not forget that pseudo explanations are characteristic of pseudo sciences…



In such article Marr mentions something we are tired of repeating: “Those who work without rectifying the birth charts are joking with Astrology”…



Of course none of my affirmations should be believed in blind faith, on the contrary I encourage everybody to work on their own controls. And I say this because I am absolutely convinced that dogmatism in any way can block the human being and delay his progress in all aspects of life.



By the way, I will mention here a new and gigantic mistake which is very much in fashion today. There is a new group of “antiastrologers” who believe Astrology should not predict but only describe the general features of character and tendencies in an individual. Obviously this idea is not only equivalent to ignoring the nature of Astrology but also to throwing overboard all the accumulated findings along the centuries. My modest opinion is that those people are not using predictions because they are not prepared for that: their affirmations do not go further than “the grapes are green”...



Going back to our main issue, our first experiments to find efficient keys in symbolic directions starting by the well known ones were a complete failure. My method in research was of the type of an idealistic naive: if there are two efficient keys, why not more? In this way I tried without success among others, the arithmetic and geometric medias and the golden section: when the dates fell due there were no concordant events. Please note that I am not saying that general affirmation that the directions “were not producing any effects”. Directions do not produce anything and Astrology includes nothing of the kind: planets are only indicating vital moments. Ignorant people who keep talking about energy, vibrations and waves (never spotted or measured by anybody) will only discredit our discipline and show the incredible lack of knowledge and misunderstanding of the principles of Astrology on behalf of the so called astrologers.



We have heard so many false notions that many astrologers have ended up believing firmly in them… But believing in, never testing and knowing… and this happens in all areas of life.



In that moment a simple cinematic analogy helped us to better understand the problem and solve it. Let us assume that symbolic directions are generated by a material point that runs along the ecliptic with constant angular speed equal to Ptolemy’s key, one grade/one year; and along a second material point that runs in time along the ecliptic with constant angular speed and equal to the dwadashamsa key, two grades thirty minutes/one year (called dwada because it is equal to the twelfth part of a sign). Let us suppose now a third material point that runs along the ecliptics with such angular speed that goes round the ecliptics twice in the period of time taken by the first movement together with the time taken by the second movement (each one only once). Calling angular speed of the first movement w1 and w2 to that of the second we will have, in simple reasoning, that if we call angular speed of the third movement w, this will be given by

1/w = (1/w1 + 1/w2)/2

that is

w = 2/(1/w1 + 1/w2) = 2w1w2/(w1 + w2)





The amount w is called the harmonic media from w1 and w2 (we prefer to spell harmonic with h to avoid confusions with other concepts). This is a result of the following: the time taken by the first material point is T1 = 360 grades/w1 (grades/year). The time taken by the second material point is T2 = 360/w2 and in due course the third material point will take T = 360/w where this last speed w is the unknown factor.

As T = (T1+T2)/2, substituting we have

360/w = (360/w1 + 360/w2)/2 = 360(1/w1 + 1/w2)/2

(Note that T is the average or arithmetic media of T1 and T2)



WE CAN SEE THAT THE FIRST “SECRET” IN MY DISCOVERY CONSISTS IN FINDING THE AVERAGE OF THE SPINNING TIMES T1 AND T2 (AND NOT THE ANGULAR SPEED).



Of course, this is like Columbus egg, it is very simple once you have done it.

Now, simplifying the factor 360 in both members you get the preceding formula.

For the case of the two efficient keys long known we have,

w1 = 360/360 grades/year = 1grade/year = 10/10



w2 = 360/144 grades/year = 2,5 grades/year = 10/4



being it easier (as we will see later) to use the same numerator 10 to work with them.

Then we have

w = 2/(1/w1 + 1/w2) = 2/(10/10 + 4/10)

= 20/(10 + 4) = 20/14 = 10/7 grades/year

= 1° 25’ 43” /year.



This value is the harmonic media of w1 = 1°/year and of w2 = 2° 30’ /year.

In the experiences made with it in real cases it proved to be a key fully efficient and this meant the opening of a big door.



The consequence is simple and interesting, when the angular speed is constant w the movement will be two spins round the circuit in the length of time 2T = T1 + T2.



If we want to discuss more deeply the idea of harmonic media and numeric examples we can consult Moroney’s book “Hechos y Estadisticas” (Eudeba)



Writing down the three efficient keys we now have numerator equal 10 in the three cases:

10/4 10/7 10/10



We can see that the denominators are found in arithmetical progression 4, 7, 10. This led me to a more ambitious hypothesis which is the following:



Shall we get other efficient keys if we continue the arithmetical progression?



The series to be considered is here,

10/4, 10/7, 10/10, 10/13, 10/16, 10/19, 10/22,…



Our careful experiments with clients who had had their radixes accurately rectified led us to the categorical conclusion that all these keys are efficient as far as our observations arrived (key in the fortieth order).

Then I faced new questions which I will shortly mention in the following lines. I called this first succession of keys Spicasc thinking that only with these new keys the problem would be solved completely, which of course was not as you will see in the next paragraph.



The first doubt was if such keys would give such directions so that anything would be easy to explain. IT IS NOT AT ALL LIKE THIS and it is necessary to practically experiment with these keys before we can say any opinion in respect to them. The number of directions rapidly diminishes with slight fluctuations when we add the order number of the key, and there are facts which are left without a congruent explicatory direction when they are limited to the use of such keys, even if we add the symbolic directions to the primary ones of both types already mentioned. To confirm what I am saying I invite the readers to make the calculations and controls, which is the only way to really find out what we are talking about.



But, what is absolutely surprising, is that with the new keys, the congruency or concordance of directions and facts turned out to be absolutely complete following the Theory of Determinations while we could observe this in all the cases.



But there were more surprises: any key in the succession Spicasc is harmonic media between the former and the following in the succession as you will be able to test with a simple addition and also, considering five keys in the succession, the central one is harmonic media of the following four. This can easily be shown but I will not do it here because I do not want to be very long.



I considered these facts since the moment I spotted them as an expression of universal and complete harmony, as René Guénon use to say.



The Supreme Mind is showing us His Geometry through experience, the Sublime Architect of the Universe who is behind life in the world with his perfect and fair order.



But my surprise grew bigger when in the Spicasc succession I bumped into some keys which had already been recommended by other authors, that where in turn rendered like special cases within the general law.

I think it is worth mentioning which ones. The key XIII from Table I is

10/40 = 15 minutes/year

being this “the key of death” from Carter.

Addey introduced “the golden section” as a key of one grade very near the key V from Table I, that is 10/16. But something that brought me another insight was the following: Frankland suggested as a key 4/7 which is the harmonic media of our keys V and VI. This took me to the hypothesis that harmonic medias of two successive keys from the Spicasc succession can also be considered efficient keys. This was a new succession that I called Numeha which can easily be obtained starting from the Spicasc keys calculating harmonic medias from each pair of successive keys in it.



The Numeha succession resulted into

20/5, 20/11, 20/17, 20/23, 20/29, 20/35, …



We can see that if we equal the numerators in 20 the denominators will also grow in arithmetic progression of ratio 6, while in the Spicasc the ratio in the progression is 3. This is only an apparent difference as we will later see.



This new series Numeha was immediately put into practice to check concordance of directions and vital facts. And again, to my surprise, the keys resulted as efficient as the Spicasc ones.



Naturally, at this point, we will comment on some topics related to them. In the first place, these tests were only possible in a wide range thanks to the systematic use of the computers. From all the programmes available at present, the one specially indicated for this work was Blue Star Plus of Matrix. The best programme and the most useful to rectify is at present Solar Fire from Astrolabe, beginning from its 4.07 version.



Of course it will be very important to use the cusps of the intermediate houses in the programme Blue Star as input-points since the directions from the planets to the cusps are the only ones that will allow us a very precise rectification. It is absolutely necessary to highlight again that the only valid cusps in symbolic directions are those of Placidus. This last idea is a solid and experiential fact which I discovered along the many years of practice and controls and not because of a simple question of personal and subjective preferences.



Nonetheless I should mention here that the indisputable validity of Placidus domification method has been established for latitudes of both hemispheres of the Earth from the Equator to the Polar Circle. Beyond the Polar Circle we still have to experiment with tests on natives of those areas but they are not easy to be found.



The topocentric cusps are only a proximity to those of Placidus, a proximity which is more and more deficient when the latitude rises. As soon as the slightest differences appear between them, the control of the due dates of the directions and the dates of the vital facts definitely favour Placidus. There is an old Chinese proverb that says “a fact is more valid than a thousand subtleties”…



The use of the auto-jobs of the Blue Star programme is specially easy and comfortable when we have to deal with multiple keys and it turns out to be a real must due to the incredible volume of the calculations. Through the auto-jobs the work gets very comfortably automated.



After the overwhelming success of the Numeha keys we faced a new question: what would happen if I got a new succession starting from these ones and following the same procedure? Then I started to get the harmonic media of every pair of successive terms of the Numeha and … I came back to the Spicasc succession. I would state it like this, the successions Spicasc and Numeha are harmonic combinations between them because each one of them is obtained calculating harmonic medias of the successive terms of the other one.



This possibility was then closed and it was necessary to think in something else. But the solution to keep making progress soon came and faced us with new questions where we have no answers yet. If we write the Spicasc succession with a numerator equal 20 (that is to say if we multiply numerator and denominator by two) we will clearly have:

20/8, 20/14, 20/20, 20/26, 20/32, 20/38, …



With this simple trick we have come to the same numerators as those for the Numeha series and the denominators will be now in arithmetic progression of ratio 6.



If we now put together both groups of terms, those of the Spicasc succession changed like this and those of the Numeha succession, we will get a new group that once in order looks like this,

20/8, 20/11, 20/14, 20/17, 20/20, 20/23, …



We can now see that the denominators are now organized into an arithmetic progression of ratio 3.



We can now calculate harmonic medias of every pair of successive terms of this new succession. We can get it very easily

40/7, 40/13, 40/19, 40/25, 40/31, 40/37, …



We can easily see that, with a constant numerator equal 40, the denominators are again in arithmetic progression of ratio 3. I called this new succession Siriumc (do not look for mysterious explanations, I simply have Sirium in the MC and Spica in the AC of my birth chart) and I started immediately experimental research concerning the concordance of directions and vital events of many persons. The results were, at the beginning, quite enigmatic. In some symbolic directions of this type I could not always see concordant events when the time was due while other directions with the keys of this succession Siriumc were not only efficient but also corresponded with certain vital events of unexpected importance which were produced with enormous precision of date like the corresponding ones of the Spicasc and Numeha keys. As time passed I came to the conclusion that the keys of the Siriumc succession are extremely efficient and should be used if we want to get a complete directional system.



Later the accountant Ortolani continued with this research obtaining new series of very interesting keys but the corresponding directions only align with events of minor importance. The process of generating a series of keys would be then exhausted except in one case. We are speaking of the key of 11°/ a year obtained by Daniel Lanfranco which has produced interesting results and is still being studied. What is interesting about the Lanfranco key is that it is not one of my multiple keys nor is it arrived at through them in the habitual way.



I would like to mention something else regarding the orb of the Spicasc, Numeha and Siriumc symbolic directions. When the charts are properly rectified the events are presented in due date with an orb of 2 days at the most in 98% of the individual cases and even the same day of the partile in many opportunities.



But there is a remanence of 2% that corresponds to “persons with a long orb” in whom the orb appears inexplicably longer and where the congruent events can be delayed or anticipated up to 5 days when the directions are due. I cannot clear this up because it is an empirical fact. Obviously in normal cases the orb of the symbolic directions is considerably less than the usual one of the primary directions.



Because of all this, it is essential to rectify the charts before calculating the directions if we do not want to incur in nonsense. Naturally, if we want to rectify a chart, it is essential to experiment at the base with the first keys of the three successions, something that in my experience is the most advisable. But it will not be enough to explore, it will be necessary to go deep into the interpretative foundations of the directions. And this is precisely what we get in the Theory of Determinations by Morin, which is badly or little known by most of the students, practitioners, teachers and supporters.



Of course these techniques we are dealing with are not for those hurried or untidy astrologers who calculate charts without the exact time… These people will not get any benefits of these new directional keys. And it is very sad to see in our country at the most half a dozen astrologers capable of rectifying a birth chart with precision and accuracy.

Everything else, as we have seen, is nothing but wishful thinking or cheating to naive people.



Only a small fraction of the symbolic directions as well as the primary directions of any key are not made real in personal cases. Morin used to speak about this in his time when solar returns and transits which were not congruent could neutralise directions in a way that nobody would get surprised.



There is another practical limitation and this is the present condition of Astronomy of position and the astrological software. If we knew exactly, (with cents of a second in the arc for every instant in time) the position of the planets of the solar system, everything would be better and we would be able to go much further. But this is not the case now and with the software at hand we can only get as near as key 40 for any of the three successions Spicasc, Numeha and Siriumc.



Through this experience we can arrive at a very interesting indirect proof of the validity of Astrology which will be worth speaking about: if we rectify a birth chart using only one, two or three particular keys of any of these successions, it will stay rectified for all of the keys of the three types and also for the primary directions in both types, as you will confirm with the coming results. It is an experimental proof that the time of birth of an individual is a unique and precise instant, making it a precious and fundamental step in showing the validity of the foundations of our discipline in a definite and solid way. It will be easy to imagine how foolish it would be if we had to use a different time of birth for every key and type of direction…



It is vital in this moment to make a very important observation. With these findings astrologers will have at hand a great variety of efficient directions as ever before. My multiple keys have at least ten times more of predictive power than all the primary directions of any kind altogether. But this has a handicap that will be easy to see. If all these keys and directions are efficient (and they are) it implies that the destiny of all beings is planned since the moment of his birth with an enormous degree of precision.

We have seen through these directions that determinism is more important than we used to suspect. The consequence is that little is left to chance in our lives. Of course this brings back the typical fight between determinism and free will, but we will speak about that in future writings. Because of this, more than one will say that I am a fatalistic in my position but I am just the opposite.



Count Leon Tolstoi, in a moment of deep sadness, held a point of view we are not able to share: “The only absolute knowledge that we are allowed to reach is that human life has no meaning”. The multiple keys give us the most certain testimony against these sombre and cynical thoughts because we will have to face the evidence that every human life has been planned in minute detail by the Cosmic Mind. What would be the purpose of such precision if it were not by a transcendental reason inherent and inseparable of the human condition?



All this issue of free will against determinism is not so simple and will demand fine distinctions. Actually, destiny is like a stratified field of analogies that may be lived in many different levels at every instant depending on the depth of the spiritual life and the power of will of every human being. This will lead us directly and inevitably into Esoteric Astrology. Those who are interested can read my article “The sixth dialogue”, published in ATMA-JNANA with the pen name of SARASTRO.



But one thing is real and true: there are no plans without a planner and Astrology faces us with the sublime reality of God’s existence.



There is another consideration of a speculative and philosophical kind that we will mention now, and which is not very pleasing perhaps. We will soon realize that as each of the three successions have infinite keys we will never get to know all our directions and surprise will always be on the way.

Socrates and his “ignorabimus” in the words of the philosopher Paul du Bois-Reymond comes to our mind….





TABLES FOR SYMBOLIC MULTIPLE KEYS



TABLE I



KEYS FOR THE SPICASC SUCCESSION



0 10/1 = 10 GR 00 MIN 00 SEC/YEAR

I 10/4 = 02 GR 30 MIN 00 SEC/YEAR (dwadashamsa)

II 10/7 = 01 GR 25 MIN 43 SEC/YEAR

III 10/10 = 1 GR 00 MIN 00 SEC/YEAR (Ptolemy)

IV 10/13 = 0 GR 46 MIN 09 SEC/YEAR

V 10/16 = 0 GR 37 MIN 30 SEC/YEAR

VI 10/19 = 0 GR 31 MIN 35 SEC/YEAR

VII 10/22 = 0 GR 27 MIN 16 SEC/YEAR

VIII 10/25 = 0 GR 24 MIN 00 SEC/YEAR

IX 10/28 = 0 GR 21 MIN 26 SEC/YEAR

X 10/31 = 0 GR 19 MIN 21 SEC/YEAR

XI 10/34 = 0 GR 17 MIN 39 SEC/YEAR

XII 10/37 = 0 GR 16 MIN 13 SEC/YEAR

XIII 10/40 = 0 GR 15 MIN 00 SEC/YEAR (Carter)

XIV 10/43 = 0 GR 13 MIN 57 SEC/YEAR

XV 10/46 = 0 GR 13 MIN 03 SEC/YEAR

XVI 10/49 = 0 GR 12 MIN 15 SEC/YEAR

XVII 10/52 = 0 GR 11 MIN 32 SEC/YEAR

XVIII 10/55 = 0 GR 10 MIN 55 SEC/YEAR

XIX 10/58 = 0 GR 10 MIN 21 SEC/YEAR

XX 10/61 = 0 GR 09 MIN 50 SEC/YEAR



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NB, Code 0 is included only as a reference, because even though it is efficient, it is not advisable for the beginners. And this is all due to the idea that the use of a proliferation of directions is said to “explain” any event or mix up the user. The same can be said about the first key of the Numeha succession as well as the first key of the Siriumc succession.





TABLE II



KEYS FOR THE NUMEHA SUCCESSION



I 20/5 = 4 GR 00 MIN 00 SEC/YEAR

II 20/11 = 1 GR 49 MIN 05 SEC/YEAR

III 20/17 = 1 GR 10 MIN 35 SEC/YEAR

IV 20/23 = 0 GR 52 MIN 10 SEC/YEAR

V 20/29 = 0 GR 41 MIN 23 SEC/YEAR

VI 20/35 = 0 GR 34 MIN 17 SEC/YEAR (*)

VII 20/41 = 0 GR 29 MIN 16 SEC/YEAR

VIII 20/47 = 0 GR 25 MIN 32 SEC/YEAR

IX 20/53 = 0 GR 22 MIN 38 SEC/YEAR

X 20/59 = 0 GR 20 MIN 20 SEC/YEAR

XI 20/65 = 0 GR 18 MIN 28 SEC/YEAR

XII 20/71 = 0 GR 16 MIN 54 SEC/YEAR

XIII 20/77 = 0 GR 15 MIN 35 SEC/YEAR

XIV 20/83 = 0 GR 14 MIN 27 SEC/YEAR

XV 20/89 = 0 GR 13 MIN 29 SEC/YEAR

XVI 20/95 = 0 GR 12 MIN 38 SEC/YEAR (**)

XVII 20/101 = 0 GR 11 MIN 53 SEC/YEAR

XVIII 20/107 = 0 GR 11 MIN 13 SEC/YEAR

XIX 20/113 = 0 GR 10 MIN 37 SEC/YEAR

XX 20/119 = 0 GR 10 MIN 05 SEC/YEAR



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(*) Frankland-Sepharial: naronic key. Read Carter in “Symbolic Directions in Modern Astrology”. This key is harmonic media between those of 10/16 and those of 10/19 from the Spicasc succession.

(**) subdwadashamsa key 12/144 = 30/12 x 12 = 0° 12’ 30’’ is very near this one.

It is used in Hindu Astrology.





TABLE III



KEYS FOR THE SIRIUMC SUCCESSION



I 40/7 = 5 GR 42 MIN 51 SEC/YEAR

II 40/13 = 3 GR 04 MIN 37 SEC/YEAR

III 40/19 = 2 GR 06 MIN 19 SEC/YEAR

IV 40/25 = 1 GR 36 MIN 00 SEC/YEAR

V 40/31 = 1 GR 17 MIN 25 SEC/YEAR

VI 40/37 = 1 GR 04 MIN 52 SEC/YEAR

VII 40/43 = 0 GR 55 MIN 49 SEC/YEAR

VIII 40/49 = 0 GR 48 MIN 59 SEC/YEAR

IX 40/55 = 0 GR 43 MIN 38 SEC/YEAR

X 40/61 = 0 GR 39 MIN 21 SEC/YEAR

XI 40/67 = 0 GR 35 MIN 49 SEC/YEAR

XII 40/73 = 0 GR 32 MIN 53 SEC/YEAR

XIII 40/79 = 0 GR 30 MIN 23 SEC/YEAR

XIV 40/85 = 0 GR 28 MIN 14 SEC/YEAR

XV 40/91 = 0 GR 26 MIN 22 SEC/YEAR

XVI 40/97 = 0 GR 24 MIN 45 SEC/YEAR

XVII 40/103 = 0 GR 23 MIN 18 SEC/YEAR

XVIII 40/109 = 0 GR 22 MIN 01 SEC/YEAR

XIX 40/115 = 0 GR 20 MIN 52 SEC/YEAR

XX 40/121 = 0 GR 19 MIN 50 SEC/YEAR

Arian Maverick

[Atria]

Hi Arian
I hope that you all at a near future can receive the benefits of this symbolic directions, I am profoundly grateful with Spicasc, i have very nice rememberings of all that time, I miss him.
Arian dont feel abrumated , poco a poco, slowly , your are very young so you have plenty of time, this tables really works , i learn everyday from them, i learn astrology with them, and i think they can protect us, ojala¡ desire expression, i ll share with you them. Thank you

[Sag Moon]

Astro32
I wrote a letter to the wrong person regarding a problem I am having transfering chaert data from the ver.5.40 .

It seems if I use "Select All" and "Paste" them to the "Charts" folder they do not show up or else I cannot use some due to using numerals in front like "0" which I use to hit first to use the settings for Transits and I would put a "0-NY" for the place I planned to set a chart for a particular person.

Iknow there is a learning curve with any program. I am trying to fix these problems or learn how to use the new version,but if there is any info you can pass along plz do.

I will re-read the thread as I have not done that as yet and something might have been mentioned.

I like the accuracy and more detailed info on Fixed stars and glyphs etc. of the program as it is far better then previous versions.I feel like a fool now knowing some of the data I referenced was skewed,but that is expected as the program is great and free.

I have no idea what the thread before this one had to do with after glancing through it.

Thanks for the SA info!

[Andonis]

Hi Atria,
In the following I note two calculative errors.
One we covered it before, which is the fact that
10 sec =1 day,
and I also note that you write
29º 82m 01s
00º 12m 01s that is the ascendant recitfied.

My calculations show that this is as follows:
29 degrees 82min 10 sec = 30 degrees which you renormalize as 0 degrees and 22 minutes and 10 seconds.
I hope you agree....thanks for your help.



Hello Starlink, with this dates we can do some hipotesis, its only one calculation, i think later i will need more dates to corroborate the hipotesis, i know that is difficult to search them, but sometimes later we remember another events, lets try one by one with patience and a bit of luck, if i move Jupiter to a conjunction with the ascendant may be an indication of the trip because it is the lord of the 9 house , at six years of age, i make this little calculation 24 november 1953
substract - - 5 may 1947
19 days 6 months 6 years
to the date of the event i subsract your birth data and with the result of 19 days ,6 months, 6 years . I count the months like this: from 5 of may to 5 of november are six months completes and then 24-5= 19 days of november that convert to minutes and seconds
6 years= 6º
one month = 5 minutes
six months = 30 minutes
6 days = 1 minute
18 days = 4 minutes
1 day = 1 second

6 years 30 months 19 days
6º 33 m 01s i convert days in minutes, then I add the grade minute of jupiter
6º 33m 01s
+ 23º 49m (Jupiter)
29º 82m 01s
00º 12m 01s that is the ascendant rectificated of this Hipotesis : Jupiter conjunct Ascendant the trip
Ascendant= 00º saggitarius 12m 01s , I use Placidus and Solar Fire, i put the new ascendant and then i begin to put the multiple keys of Spicasc and see if in the events you give me are directions that are congruent and coincide with the events . This are the only math operations , not any more, tomorow or at sunday i continue, but an important thing is the exact coordenates , the city of natal birth is Tanjungpinang? 0 55N 104 27E . Another question when you get married you made a trip of honeymoon? I married too at 1969, and my daughter birthday is at 18 of april , but i always live at the same city and country. The best Atria

[starlink]

Hi Atria, yes, the city is indeed Tandjungpinang (Riau Archipel) and the coordinates are. 0°55' 0 North and longitude 104°27'0 East.
Thanks for the link. I am also looking into the Sabian Symbols going with Ascendant between 28° Scorpio and 2° Saggittarius. Some people say it really shows the persons quallities. Thanks for all your hard work, very much appreciated! Star.

[starlink]

Hi Andonis, if my supposedly new Asc. comes to 00° 22' 10'' then the Sabian Symbol would be for 1° Saggittarius:"A grand Army of the Republic campfire".
It so much means as : Accomplishment through the cultivation and preservation of enduring ties with others (when Positive). When negative: Superficial idleness and unhealthy veneration for the past.(I do not live in the past at all!)
Now, the Scorpio 30°, called : "The Halloween jester", fits me better. The keyword is : spontaneousness (I am very spontaneous!). When positive, the detree is a gift for making the desires and ambitions of self not only of interest but of actual value to others (Astrology in my case) and when negative, ineptness of self-expression and contempt for established values.
My Ascendant is conjuncted by Jupiter and Jupiter is in an outgoing opposition to my Sun (wide, almost 10°) and conjuncts my Moon. There are no other aspects, so I guess it is mainly positively aspected and the opposition to the Sun could indeed give a problem of expressing myself, not physically or mentally, but more professionally. Jupiter, traveling has always thrown a stick in front of my feet so I always had to stop doing what I was doîng or what I had set up, because I moved to another country and had to start all over again. I suspect that the Asc. must lie between 29° and 30° Scorpio. See what Atria comes up with.

[Andonis]

Hi Star,
I am sory I am not conversed with Sabian, so you know better there. I think the calculations of the ascendant may need more points to be accurate. I also guess one takes an average of the various ascendants one calculates based on the various events?
I have not been able to translate the Spanish articles.
But the calculations of your ASC are probably those I worked out. The calculations for Arian's ASC are right and I also agree with them.

Interested to see how one works out the rest....


Hi Andonis, if my supposedly new Asc. comes to 00° 22' 10'' then the Sabian Symbol would be for 1° Saggittarius:"A grand Army of the Republic campfire".
It so much means as : Accomplishment through the cultivation and preservation of enduring ties with others (when Positive). When negative: Superficial idleness and unhealthy veneration for the past.(I do not live in the past at all!)
Now, the Scorpio 30°, called : "The Halloween jester", fits me better. The keyword is : spontaneousness (I am very spontaneous!). When positive, the detree is a gift for making the desires and ambitions of self not only of interest but of actual value to others (Astrology in my case) and when negative, ineptness of self-expression and contempt for established values.
My Ascendant is conjuncted by Jupiter and Jupiter is in an outgoing opposition to my Sun (wide, almost 10°) and conjuncts my Moon. There are no other aspects, so I guess it is mainly positively aspected and the opposition to the Sun could indeed give a problem of expressing myself, not physically or mentally, but more professionally. Jupiter, traveling has always thrown a stick in front of my feet so I always had to stop doing what I was doîng or what I had set up, because I moved to another country and had to start all over again. I suspect that the Asc. must lie between 29° and 30° Scorpio. See what Atria comes up with.

[starlink]

Hello again Andonis, yes, those Sabian Symbols are a bit tricky, because in all three degrees there is something to be found that you can identify with, so I dont rely on them at all. I much prefer your calculations and I always had a feeling that I could be Sag. Asc. But in my case very difficult to determine, because, if it is, then the ruler is in Scorpio, together with the Moon, giving me a strong Scorpio trait, very similar to a Scorpio Ascendant. I have a very strange natal chart. On the one hand you see that Moon (and now maybe also the Asc. ruler Jupiter) in 12, showing reclusiveness, needing to be alone. That is totally true, especially now that I am getting older. But ruler of those two is Mars (and Pluto) and Mars is in my 5th in Aries, and the ruler of my Sun, Venus is also in Aries, so that side of me is very outgoing! The T-square between Moon opposite Sun and both square Pluto is reflectiong this very much. Looks almost like I am 2 personalities in one body, mmmmmm, maybe I discovered something here? No, I dont think so, I believe that I am most happy when I am by myself, but can be very social and outgoing when amongst friends, not at all introverted, on the contrary. Weird isn't it.
I will do a bit more looking into those solar arcs. I really was 9 when we had to leave Indonesia so either Jupiter or the Moon should reflect that. My very first trip must have been when I was 6.5 month old. That can be the Moon conjuncting Jupiter (Progressed Moon). I have not much time this weekend, nor next week. Will go to England for 4.5 days, back on tuesday 25th. After that more time again (I hope!!!). Have a nice sunday! Cheers, Star.

[Arian Maverick]

Ah, Sabian symbols! :cool:

Oddly enough, I related much more to the Sabian symbol of my Ascendant when my mother had confused my brother's birth time for my own than I do with the symbol for the degree of my birth certificate time.

Aries 2: A comedian entertaining a group of friends.

I know that I do not necessarily need to make a literal interpretation of this symbol, but I simply don't feel the resonance. I have a decent sense of humor, but I usually prefer to watch others banter with each other and only occasionally participate, for witty lines don't come as naturally to me as they do to some. Despite my first house Aries stellium, I don't seek attention from "entertaining a group of friends"; it is a relatively rare occurrence for me to even be with a group of friends, as I tend to go in my own direction and do my own thing.

Aries 1:A woman has risen out of the ocean, a seal is embracing her.

This is possible; at least, it is more relevant. However, as with the Sabian symbol for Aries 2, I simply don't feel the resonance.

Pisces 30:
A majestic rock formation resembling a face is idealized by a boy who takes it as his ideal of greatness, as he grows up, he begins to look like it.

Ah, I've had several "ideals of greatness" throughout my life and have worked very hard to become something that was not a natural expression of who I am, although it was certainly an expression of who I believed myself to be at the time. Yes, this symbol is certainly fitting, but I am even more strongly drawn to the next one.

Pisces 29:
Light breaking into many colors as it passes through a prism.

I know I can't simply pick my Ascendant based upon which symbol I like the best, but from the first moment I read the description of this symbol, it simply felt right. It seems to describe my need to dissect things and arrive at their basic components, just as light is fragmented by a prism. However, in order for my Ascendant to be assigned this symbol, my birth time would have to be off by about five minutes, which I think may be too much time.

I have a lot of work to do for school, but when I get the chance, I am going to reread the article I quoted in my last message and attempt to follow its instructions.

For any others reading this thread who are interested in rectifying their own natal charts, I have also quoted a section of another article detailing what sorts of events one should use for the rectification process:

WHAT ARE THE DATES OF THE PAST, WHICH ARE WORTH COLLECTING TO RECTIFY THE CHART?

It has to be understood that the dates should be exact (day, month, and year). It has no value if we indicate only the month and the year. In total we should collect twenty dates or more if you want your work to be serious, precise and guaranteed. The ideal amount will be thirty dates or more. They may be from,

1) Long and short trips (date of departure and return).
2) Affairs or romances (date of meeting and date of beginning).
3) Removals.
4) New Jobs (when it is announced and when it begins).
5) Diseases (starting time).
6) Surgeries (the date when they were performed).
7) Marriages.
8) Children’s date of birth.
9) Illness or death of close members of the family.
10) Job losses. Fights.
11) Important meetings of all kinds (even parties).
12) Accidents.
13) Cash in money, inheritance or important legacies.
14) Dates of judicial sentences (notification).
15) Beginning of new important friendships.
16) Dates of purchase for properties or vehicles.

etc., etc.

Sources where to look for the dates: old and new passports and agendas, family and friends with good memory, property deeds, car documents, old letters and invitations,…

Arian Maverick

[Atria]

Thank for your help Andonis, I was sleepy, but very enthusiastic till 3 am, is 1day= 10 seconds. With the new coordenates of Starlink i ll search another hipotesis, because it change,so dont marry yet with any hipotesis it has to be corroborate with future events, i am doing that, and thank you Arian, with 30 dates, is much easier in that way, but with the hipotesis of your trip to London i ll search if is any dates congruent (coincidentes), you remember the first day of you begining in this forum, the day you present yourself, and the day of being moderator, that iare another significative events? the day of birthday of your brother is he older? Hasta luego

[Arian Maverick]

Atria,

I do not remember exactly the first day I found the forums or the day I registered, but I know that I made my first post here on October 20, 2005 at 11:18 AM, according to the forum's records. I think it is pretty likely that if I did not register on the same day as I made my first post, the date is pretty close.

Fortunately, the date I became moderator is easier to remember; it was on my birthday on April 5, 2006. If you want to know the exact time, Radu created the thread Maverick in Chief (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1368) at 02:21 AM in my time zone, and I knew of the appointment by at least 7:10 AM when I responded to his post, if not a bit sooner.

I wish I could remember exact date, but I think another important date would be my best friend's birthday party four years ago in December 2003; I could use her birthday as a general reference, but I'll have to check a calendar to see what day of the week it fell on that year; I am almost certain that the party was on either a Friday or Saturday night because it was a sleepover. In attendance was a girl I had never met before who possessed an extraordinary talent with the Ouija Board, and although I had previous experience with it, I had never received any particularly revealing insight. The girl asked about each of our past lives, and the board revealed that I had died in the Triangle "Circle" (Shirtwaist) Factory fire, which is exactly how I remembered the name from a brief lesson about it in fifth grade.

This really sparked my interest in the paranormal, and I began my first Google searches of such things soon afterwards. I then discovered astral projection (although I was never able to do this successfully), numerology, and eventually, astrology. And here I am now :)

Oh! I thought of one more!

I had been using the incorrect natal data since I first discovered astrology until my father's birthday gave me the perfect opportunity to casually inquire as to his time of birth. Searching for his birth certificate, my mother accidentally retrieved my brother's instead, and I saw to my horror that he had a birth time of 3:44 AM--the same one that my mother had told me I had! I knew that the odds of both of us being born at the exact minute were incredibly slim, so putting all discretion aside, I asked to see my own birth certificate. It was only then did I learn that I Have Been Using The Wrong Natal Chart This Entire Time!!! (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1179), and mere words cannot describe my devastation. I had cultivated an identity around the Aquarius Ascendant I believed I possessed--my original Astrology Weekly screen name was Aquarian Maverick--and after months of research and effort, I now felt like I had to start from scratch.

I made the post on March 17, 2006 at 05:16 PM, and I remember that I ran to the computer almost immediately after I had made this discovery.

One more I just thought of; I'm on a roll here! ;)

Again, I am incredibly frustrated that I did not record any of these dates, but I began the process of limiting my meat consumption around mid-December 2006 and was almost entirely vegetarian by January 2008. I know that I posted a few horary charts on the forums asking why I felt inclined to make this decision, so I'll have to check the archives to see if I can find a closer date for you.

I don't know if you can use my brother's birth date to rectify my chart because he was born three years before I was, but I'll give you the data anyway: April 29, 1986 at 3:44 AM.

Thank you so much for this help; I'm willing to do as much rectification work as I can, but I'm completely new to this process and don't believe I can make much progress until I become more familiar with specific rectification techniques.

Arian Maverick

[Arian Maverick]

For those who are taking the first steps in Astrology let us make it clear that symbolic directions are those that in the directional arc are measured on the ecliptics. If a native has Mars in his rectified radix at 16° of Aquarius and his MC at 14° of Cancer; moving this Mars 1grade per year in the direction of the signs (or direct) we will have the direction Mars trine MC when Mars gets to 14° of Pisces, that is to say exactly when the person is 28 years of age. If we move Mars on the opposite direction in respect to the signs (or converse) we will get the direction or aspect Mars opposition MC when the person is 32 years of age, when Mars get to 14° of Capricorn, always at the speed of one grade per year.

We call this to direct planet Mars and in that way we have two directions, a direct one when we move Mars along the signs and a converse one when we do it in the opposite direction.

If the information is precise (rectified chart with an error under or equal 3 seconds in the time of birth) both directions will correspond with normally concordant vital events (congruent) following the Theory of Determinations of the great Morin de Villefranche.

I didn't realize upon my first reading that both direct and converse movements of the planets are to be taken into account...

Would it make sense to begin this process by listing approximately how many degrees the planets are (in both directions) from the closest major angle?

How is one to do this if he or she does not have a rectified chart with an error under or equal 3 seconds in the time of birth? Do you experiment with different times until you arrive at the correct one?

Arian Maverick

[starlink]

Hi Andonis, please go to this Spanish link anyways, click on Multiclaves rectification and then you see that you can translate into English. It looks quite difficult to me, but I will try and put my mind to it. Have a look! cheers, Star.

[Sag Moon]

I've done some rectification work.Mostly on killers and people that had died.

The event list one put above is very helpful.

People that have passed on due to tragic effents seems to be easy.

The persons personal appearance is quite helpful in seeing what the ascendant might be.

Famous people usually have the Moons Nodes involvolved and many have it positioned in the 9th close to the MC.

One chart I was looking at last night one could tell the person would be of great prominance.Thaty person was Ike Eisenhower. He had the NN=MC and Ur=Mn conjunct.That type of chart is going to have he person find fame easier than wny other.

Mn=Ur usually find themselves in the spotlight weather they want it or not and the NN=9th they will draw attention to themselves.

Just some thoughts.

On Astrolog32bit I think I shall have to move all my charts into the Chart folder individually.That will take sometime as I have as many as 3000 charts.

[Atria]

Hello, i am make some hipotesis with your chart like an example, to rectificate we need more events, one hipotesis was Mercury conversed to the ascendant could be the trip to London you were near that age, first you do the substraction: to the date of the event you substract the date of your birthday .
The date of the trip 14 aug 2004
- 5 april 1989
9d 4months 15 years, and because mercury is conversed, not direct, because he moves to make a conjunction with the ascendant we substract the result instead of adding it
16º 30' 60'' Position of Mercury
- 15º 21' 30''
1º 19' 30'' 6 h 4' 21''
This is the ascendant pre-rectificated with this hipotesis
Then i have to search with the multiple keys inside the solar fire program in transits and progressions, directions to radix, one by one to search if there are concordancia with other events, i put the key 10º 00'' , and i find that Jupiter conjunct Midheaven at 14 august, that concordate with a trip , jupiter is in third and is the lord of five the house of trips of pleasure ,and with the same key 29 of august : Uranus Trine Ascendant, may be the come back,i dont remember if you put the date, uranus has a subregence at saggitarius lord of the nine, then i continue with the other keys , better the second or third of each table, the lasts ones dont have so many directions to find for rectifications
And for example if you moves also mercury direct in your chart to make a sextil to the ascendant you have to move it at 1º 10' of Taurus, that gives 14 -15 years, the time of the trip.
Instead of the substraction you add
Hipotesis Mercury sextil to the Ascendant = trip to London


15º 21' 30''
+16º 31' 00'
31º 52' 30'' Ascendant = 1º 52' 30'' time 6h 05m 37s
that is another hipotesis, and begin again the search with the keys at the solar,one by one with each event, always Placidus, and to rectificate with symbolic directions planets to cuspids not interplanets, not planet to planet

Another one could be Mars conjunct I Coelli, 4th house
Mars it at third trips, shorts trips at time, and is the lord of the ascendant, and midheaven by exaltation, (could be exams too...or tramits)
Hipotesis Mars conjunc. 4 = trip to London
we use the first operation already than
15º 21' 30''
+15º 20'' 00' position of Mars
30º 41' 30'' Casa 4 , IC or Midheaven = 00º 41' 30'' 6h 04m 20s

hoping not to make mistakes , i am not sleeping ok, may be the tough past week events, so you have the table of conversions one year =one grade
one month= five minutes
one day = 10 seconds

When we have a lot of events the method correct is to move the planets and then think what happen there, first the planets and then the event for example , i move Uranus to Midheaven , ( uranus , saturn and Pluto are ideals for rectification) but is at 5 years old and generally nobody remembers, uranus make an opposition to home, or Neptune to MD the lord of twelve, may be what you told about sickness of your grandfather , or another situation at home related to twelve, because it makes an opposition to four. the moon is too fast to rectificate, so it is no convenient.
Another hipotesis could be Jupiter sextil casa V, you have to move Jupiter to 22º 12' of Geminis to do that sextil to five, a trip of pleasure Hawaii, the graduation, or girlfriend, etc. You traveled to Hawaii at
21 april 2007
substract 5 april 1989
17 days 0 month 18 years, 18º 02' 50''
18º 02' 50''
4º 17' 00''
22º 19' 50'' House 5th = 22º 19' 50'' 6h 04m 31s
the same operation you can do it with the graduation jupiter lord of five and nine, or party, i dont have much time to revised the calculations, but the example is important, i am going to search more keys with each of this hipotesis, my husband is arriving of a trip. good luck Atria

[Andonis]

hi Atria,
Can you please complete one example from start to finish on rectification so as we can follow it please?
You can use any example it suits you. Many thanks for your help.

[Andonis]

This post is about Astrolog32. I wonder if others have identified this problem I am experiencing.
It seems it does not 'know' if the time is Summer time or not. We have to set it ourselves. Its ok if you do know it but often you dont. I nearly made a blunder with this. Astrodient for example sets this automatically. This means when one does forward and backward animation with this program I suspect that it would be wrong unless one knows when the location has summer time or not.
Does anybody use Astrolog32 and has anybody experienced this/

[starlink]

Hi Atria, it has been a while since the last post. I also would like to see how you do this, but I realize that with so much information your explanation could become very long. I would take just 3 occasions (relocation, operation, small trip, whatever) and then maybe explain how you do that. I find it still very complicated with the claves. I really dont understand anything unfortunately, only how you came to an ascendant at 0°22'10 for my Ascendant in Saggittarius. Do you really think this is my Ascendant or do you need more? I have some more exact dates, like the day I met my partner on the 19th of September 1998 around 7 PM at night. Also the day I moved out of my house to start living on my own: 1st of september 1998.
I recently went to England, leaving on the 20st of September, flight of 20 min. past 4 in the afternoon and coming back on the 24th.
I will have a look at this new (possible) Asc. and use Noel Thyll's method. See if I get to the same result. Thanks for all your help and please only do it when you have time. I dont want you to loose sleep over this.!!! Cheers, Starlink

[Atria]

Hello Andonis, yesterday night i wrote a short example but when i send it the site didnt work, at midnight, today i didnt have time to re-write it, but tonight or tomorow ill do it, do you have the solar fire?, because you have to put the keys at preferences, at user direction rate, i ll explain with more details, the difficulties of this method is not the mecanica is the interpretation of planets and cuspids, what they mean, what are they indicating us, the easier are the stronger ones, the squares to ascendant, or at , IV , angular ones, and to the eight house too, at angular cuspids you inmediatly understand them , sometimes there are others i dont find an explanation, planet to planet are more difficult, with them we cant rectificate, but with experience we learn a lot from them, an example is Marylin Monroe rectificated by Spicasc, Her Data of birth of Marylin is 1 june 1926 9h. 30m. am, Los Angeles , California, Placidus Ascendant
12 Leo
One hipotesis of rectification possibly he used is:
Uranus conjunct Midheaven , opposition IV, he write: ( an article is in Spanish magazine) violent surprise, discussion with partners ( Uranus is the lord of VII house ) or enemies. The IV house is the circumstances around the end of life, home.
To the date of death 5 aug 1962
we substract the day of birth 1 juin 1926
4d 2m 36y = 36years 2 months 4days=
36º 10' 40'' and then we add the position of Uranus
29º 00' 00''
65º 10' 40'' = 5º 10' 40'' Midheaven , you have to quit 60º,
Midheaven rectificated is 5º taurus 10' 40''
So go to Solar Fire , ingres tha natal chart of Marylin the first one, 9h. 30m, open it , go to right and press Rectify there you put the new midheaven ,(put seconds, instead of minutes) and then you have to go to Dynamic, transit and progressions, put on event selection put only x in directions to radix , the other remain empties, at period of report put 15 jul till 15 aug is the month of her death, at location put natal, then at right up in directions put user arc, in point selection only in Extra you have to put the cuspids in solar fire 4.5 , in absolute longitude the first six ones, at the 6 deluxe i think it is not necessary, of the natal chart rectificated, and save them and then select, then go to preferences and user direction rate and began puting the keys, in this case of Marylin if you put 1º 25' 30'' 5 aug 1962, then in Dynamic press view and you will see the directions Mars square ascendant indicating her violent death, then another one of 11º00' 00'' view again PLuto square eight, two. And with more data of her you change the period of time and if is it correct you ll find another concordant ones, the day she moves to an orphanate , she has Pluto sesquisquare IV , not a good change , that is an 2º 30' at 13 september 1935. Spicasc recomended us at the begining of practice, to use not the first ones they give us so many directions, that is easy to get confused, and to interpret the directions always thinking the relation that the planet have with houses , the determinations of Morin the Villefrance, lord by domicile or exaltation, and determination by aspects, i will search another example with more data, but with Starlink we can practice too, i have another hipotesis i find a little more congruent events ,but the future is the test, with patience...The best
In point selection , only the planets but not the asteroids , not the nodos, they will confused you, Spicasc try them but they dont gave him results.

[Atria]

Hello Andonis, yesterday night i wrote a short example but when i send it the site didnt work, at midnight, today i didnt have time to re-write it, but tonight or tomorow ill do it, do you have the solar fire?, because you have to put the keys at preferences, at user direction rate, i ll explain with more details, the difficulties of this method is not the mecanica is the interpretation of planets and cuspids, what they mean, what are they indicating us, the easier are the stronger ones, the squares to ascendant, or at , IV , angular ones, and to the eight house too, at angular cuspids you inmediatly understand them , sometimes there are others i dont find an explanation, planet to planet are more difficult, with them we cant rectificate, but with experience we learn a lot from them, an example is Marylin Monroe rectificated by Spicasc, Her Data of birth of Marylin is 1 june 1926 9h. 30m. am, Los Angeles , California, Placidus Ascendant
12 Leo
One hipotesis of rectification possibly he used is:
Uranus conjunct Midheaven , opposition IV, he write: ( an article is in Spanish magazine) violent surprise, discussion with partners ( Uranus is the lord of VII house ) or enemies. The IV house is the circumstances around the end of life, home.
To the date of death 5 aug 1962
we substract the day of birth 1 juin 1926
4d 2m 36y = 36years 2 months 4days=
36º 10' 40'' and then we add the position of Uranus
29º 00' 00''
65º 10' 40'' = 5º 10' 40'' Midheaven , you have to quit 60º,
Midheaven rectificated is 5º taurus 10' 40''
So go to Solar Fire , ingres tha natal chart of Marylin the first one, 9h. 30m, open it , go to right and press Rectify there you put the new midheaven ,(put seconds, instead of minutes) and then you have to go to Dynamic, transit and progressions, put on event selection put only x in directions to radix , the other remain empties, at period of report put 15 jul till 15 aug is the month of her death, at location put natal, then at right up in directions put user arc, in point selection only in Extra you have to put the cuspids in solar fire 4.5 , in absolute longitude the first six ones, at the 6 deluxe i think it is not necessary, of the natal chart rectificated, and save them and then select, then go to preferences and user direction rate and began puting the keys, in this case of Marylin if you put 1º 25' 30'' 5 aug 1962, then in Dynamic press view and you will see the directions Mars square ascendant indicating her violent death, then another one of 11º00' 00'' view again PLuto square eight, two. And with more data of her you change the period of time and if is it correct you ll find another concordant ones, the day she moves to an orphanate , she has Pluto sesquisquare IV , not a good change , that is an 2º 30' at 13 september 1935. Spicasc recomended us at the begining of practice, to use not the first ones they give us so many directions, that is easy to get confused, and to interpret the directions always thinking the relation that the planet have with houses , the determinations of Morin the Villefrance, lord by domicile or exaltation, and determination by aspects, i will search another example with more data, but with Starlink we can practice too, i have another hipotesis i find a little more congruent events ,but the future is the test, with patience...The best
In point selection , only the planets but not the asteroids , not the nodos, they will confused you, Spicasc try them but they dont gave him results.

[Atria]

Hello Andonis, yesterday night i wrote a short example but when i send it the site didnt work, at midnight, today i didnt have time to re-write it, but tonight or tomorow ill do it, do you have the solar fire?, because you have to put the keys at preferences, at user direction rate, i ll explain with more details, the difficulties of this method is not the mecanica is the interpretation of planets and cuspids, what they mean, what are they indicating us, the easier are the stronger ones, the squares to ascendant, or at , IV , angular ones, and to the eight house too, at angular cuspids you inmediatly understand them , sometimes there are others i dont find an explanation, planet to planet are more difficult, with them we cant rectificate, but with experience we learn a lot from them, an example is Marylin Monroe rectificated by Spicasc, Her Data of birth of Marylin is 1 june 1926 9h. 30m. am, Los Angeles , California, Placidus Ascendant
12 Leo
One hipotesis of rectification possibly he used is:
Uranus conjunct Midheaven , opposition IV, he write: ( an article is in Spanish magazine) violent surprise, discussion with partners ( Uranus is the lord of VII house ) or enemies. The IV house is the circumstances around the end of life, home.
To the date of death 5 aug 1962
we substract the day of birth 1 juin 1926
4d 2m 36y = 36years 2 months 4days=
36º 10' 40'' and then we add the position of Uranus
29º 00' 00''
65º 10' 40'' = 5º 10' 40'' Midheaven , you have to quit 60º,
Midheaven rectificated is 5º taurus 10' 40''
So go to Solar Fire , ingres tha natal chart of Marylin the first one, 9h. 30m, open it , go to right and press Rectify there you put the new midheaven ,(put seconds, instead of minutes) and then you have to go to Dynamic, transit and progressions, put on event selection put only x in directions to radix , the other remain empties, at period of report put 15 jul till 15 aug is the month of her death, at location put natal, then at right up in directions put user arc, in point selection only in Extra you have to put the cuspids in solar fire 4.5 , in absolute longitude the first six ones, at the 6 deluxe i think it is not necessary, of the natal chart rectificated, and save them and then select, then go to preferences and user direction rate and began puting the keys, in this case of Marylin if you put 1º 25' 30'' 5 aug 1962, then in Dynamic press view and you will see the directions Mars square ascendant indicating her violent death, then another one of 11º00' 00'' view again PLuto square eight, two. And with more data of her you change the period of time and if is it correct you ll find another concordant ones, the day she moves to an orphanate , she has Pluto sesquisquare IV , not a good change , that is an 2º 30' at 13 september 1935. Spicasc recomended us at the begining of practice, to use not the first ones they give us so many directions, that is easy to get confused, and to interpret the directions always thinking the relation that the planet have with houses , the determinations of Morin the Villefrance, lord by domicile or exaltation, and determination by aspects, i will search another example with more data, but with Starlink we can practice too, i have another hipotesis i find a little more congruent events ,but the future is the test, with patience...The best
In point selection , only the planets but not the asteroids , not the nodos, they will confused you, Spicasc try them but they dont gave him results.

[Atria]

Hello Starlink, i am glad that the site is ok again, and hear from you, sorry to all, i make many clicks, it was so slow my computer i was thinking it doesnt works.
First began only moving the planets one degree per year until he reaches or make a conjunction with a cuspid, only make this practice, counting the degrees and thinking of probably events, You have two times , 6h 49 or 7h. We have to begin with one, lets begin with 6h 49', it is only an exercise, take Pluto. Pluto is at 11º of leo , how many degrees he moves , (recorre) to reach the midheaven at 25º of leo, 14º= 14 years old, Pluto could indicate a trip because he is at nine, he makes an opposition to IV , father , home , something related to your father , mother , grandfather , grandmother, or at home. Pluto at midheaven frecuently indicate changes. Then you take another planet Saturn, move Saturn to midheaven he is at 2º 51' of Leo , to midheaven he passes to 22º degrees till he reaches the midheaven at 25º Leo, 22 degrees = 22 years old, you give an orb to think near 21-22-23 years old, so again may be a trip, near that age or something with your mother or father, may be the trip to Peru, Saturn is at IX has analogy with mountains, the same you do with all the planets, directly or converse way, this is an exercise that is necessary to practice, with Jupiter you can do the same move to the ascendant he is at 23º 49' of Scorpio to reach the ascendant he has to move 5 degrees= 5 years old, is the lord of IX and of V, may be a trip , or another event afectiv,. First you move the planets, and then you think of the event, always think at what house he is present and what houses he govern , I am making more hipotesis to find more events that concordate with your data you gave me, then i ll give you the keys to the future, i am testing them. Another one: Neptune to the ascendant he is at 8º if Libra has to pass trough 22º of Libra and 29º of scorpio, 22º+29º= 51º = 51 years old , Neptune is the lord of V , a trip, an affective event, something related with friends? Could be your love? Tomorow i will do more, but you have to do this pasito a pasito, is a slow process, Cheers¡¡

[Andonis]

Hi Atria,
.....at period of report put 15 jul till 15 aug is the month of her death, at location put natal,..........

How do you do this with solar arc (I have a Delux Demo for a few days)

In the Extra in point selection I did not put anything.....
User direction rate ....1 degree 25 min 30 sec in the first instance and then 11 degrees as suggested further down in your reply. (Not sure where the 11degrees comes from).
The start date 5 Aug 1962 or 15 July 1962



Press view but do not get the mars aspect you refer...I dont know what I am doing wrong....


I get north node square saturn on 6August 1962 in both cases.

[starlink]

Thank you so much for explaining this part of the hypothesis Atria. I actually do the same with the Noel Thyll system, but then you get to claves and keys using Solar Fire (I have Solar Fire but still dont know all the things I can do with it, so yes, I do need explanation there I'm afraid...).But the 22 years is the year when I married and one month before that I traveled to Hongkong to prepare for the wedding (27th of June 1969 and at 27th June 1968 we got engaged.) It could also be that we went there 3 month before the wedding, I cannot remember now, but I will ask my ex. He was still a student then and I was not working so we could just as well have gone for 3 month before the wedding. I will check. I think the Saturn one is the most obvious one because it could indicates social stability when on MC during a wedding.
I cannot remember anything special at 14 years, only at 17 years, 22 May 1964 when my youngest sister was born at HOME (my mother was 46 so it was quite special). 5 Years old I REALLY cannot remember, I unfortunately do not remember anything before 10 years old. In 1998 at 51 years old I left my husband, exactly on September 1, I started living on my own. I was indeed very confused and yet very determined (transiting Pluto conjunct Ascendant also) at that time (Neptune sextiles my Ascendant thank God). Interesting.
Just take your time Atria and lets hope the site is not breaking down again, because this is a very interesting thread. If I see an email address of yours in your public profile, I will write it down so we can communicate via email when this site does not work. Mil veces gracias!! Star.

[Atria]

Hi, the symbolic direction 11º 00' 00'' was discovered by a disciple of Spicasc, a friend too, Daniel Lanfranco, it works.
Remembered to put PLacidus when you enter the new natal chart, and you have to use the natal chart rectificated not the old one, I tried with solar deluxe , and mars square ascendant appears,at 4 august, (this coordenates of LA are more precise) the direction of Pluto doesnt appears because we need to enter the other new cuspids at Extra. Pluto square II and VIII , intermediate houses. May be if i see the image.
At the window up at right at Directions you have to see written User arc 1º 25'43'' , this has to be written, and when you change of key , another one, 2º 30'have to see written too. At Preferences you put the key like this : 1 25 43 separated. I hope you can do it

[Andonis]

Hi Atria, yes 11 degrees I also thought it is a symbolic direction, it was not in the article so I was unsure. Thanks for clarifying this. I do use Placidus. The settings in Preferences in the Solar Fire are:
In Progs/Dim
Chart Angle Progression
Set to : SA in Long
Rate for user progressions: 0.002737909

Progression Day Type: Standard Q2

Rate for user Directions: 1degree 25 min 30 sec. This may change to other keys...

Rate for Primary Directions: Natal Solar rate

Relocation is NOT ticked


In DYNAMIC REPORTS SELECTION
Event Selection : ticked ONLY Directions to Radix
Saved Selections: Age Harmonics (1 year)
Period of Report: Start Date :15 August 1935 Period: 30 days ....This may vary....
Location: Natal and LA CA GMT and Lat. and Long.
Directions: Solar Arc
Point Selection: Progs: Planets Radix: Plan&ch

Aspect selection: Standard

Thats the settings I use ........Do you see anything strange? I do not get the same dates as you do...
Also, please see your email here I have sent you an email.

[starlink]

Atria, I just read this:you have to use the natal chart rectificated not the old one
But we are trying to rectify our "old" birth chart, so how can I use the "rectified" chart and not the old one? What do you mean exactly here? Star.

[starlink]

Great Andonis for showing how you do it, I printed it out and will see how far I get. I still dont understand this Progression Day Type: Standard Q2. What is Q2? I will really have to sit quietly and see if I EVER will understand this rectifiying thing. I am soooo bad with numbers and really not very good figuring out how programms work,except for the basic things. Your indications might help me. Thanks.

[Andonis]

Hi star, the Q2 is in solar fire. Remeber I am NOT familiar with Solar Fire and this is where Atria may help. My settings obviously do not work as my search dates are not the same as Atrias which are good. Yes the correct date only, gives the right dates. That is what Atria means.
basically I have the problem that if one uses the wrong settings in Solar Fire the dates come wrong.
Since the dates come also wrong when the rectification is poor we have a double problem. So we MUST use the Solar Fire correctly otherwise no example makes sense.

[Atria]

Hi, where it says rate for primary directions, you have to put one year per degree instead of natal solar rate. The rectified Marylin, 9 26 46 PST +8:00,Ascendant 12º 24'44'' midheaven 5º taurus 11'. Directions User arc not solar arc, put first 1 25 43 and then there it has to say user arc 1 25 43/yr. At save selections is indistinct. it doesnt affect the results.

[Arian Maverick]

Wow, this is getting intense! :eek:

I'm almost glad I don't have have Solar Fire...

By the way, my grandparents came over this afternoon and told me they found the exact date my grandfather had heart surgery--June 25, 1998. Oddly enough, this was exactly nine years before I graduated high school; I'll have to see if the transitting Sun forms any important aspects to possible natal angles on this day.

Arian Maverick

[Andonis]

Oh yes, thanks Atria,I now get MArs square ASC but on 4th August 1962 for merilyn monroe. (using
Not sure if the date accuracy is supposed to be....

[Atria]

He rectified at 9h 26'47''i dont know why i put one second of less , but is frecuently to make an adjustment later. But you have to give an orb, sometimes came one day before and sometimes one day after, and like a clock the same day, with that second the day of the square of mars to the ascendant is 5 of august 1962. At Extra could you insert the cuspids?

[Atria]

Hello Arian, welcome the new data, the days of the exams¡¡ are important too, recollect them if you can, and your pets... and get a solar¡¡you are corageous or brave.

[Arian Maverick]

What type of exams should I include? Midterms and finals and such? This is my first semester in college, so I haven't had any absolutely critical exams yet that determine my final grade. Thanks for mentioning this, though, because I will undoubtedly have some of these in the future...

I can give you the date I passed my driver's test and received my license--October 11, 2006 at about 8:00 AM.

I also know the days my dog and my ferret passed away, if this is what you are referring to with pet dates--my dog was put down on June 18, 2007 at 11 AM and my ferret died some time in the morning of June 19, 2003. I'm certain of the first date but less certain of the second, although it sounds familiar to me.

I know that I also carefully recorded the day we received our second dog, except I need to find the records; it was about two weeks before my childhood dog died, but I'll have to get the exact date for you.

Thank you so much! :)

Arian Maverick

[Andonis]

Hi Atria,
No I do not think the extras include the cuspids I mean the choice is not there on the pop up window. So I am not sure how to. What would be useful in order to ensure my settings are good enough is to give me another example RUN with what you get with different clavas. If I get the same planets and aspects on the day (+ - a day ) then maybe the settings are satisfactory? What do you think?
Thanks

[starlink]

Hi Arian! Yes, you are right, I am starting to despair.... but am not giving up yet. I have not even looked at the Solar Fire way of doing it because I want to wait for good instructions on how to proceed. Meanwhile I am looking at the Noel Thyl way and that is easier, way easier but maybe not as accurate as Atria's method. Still not convinced my Asc. is Sag. I am a real mix of both which makes it soooo difficult. I lived most of my live abroad. Is my Asc. Scorpio, yes, that makes sense with Pluto in 9. Is my Asc. Sag. Yes, that is also making sense with Jup. in the 12th because I just LOVE to be alone. Really, probably when the Asc. is so much on a cusp from one sign to another, you probably have to look at both signs but it still would not serve as a prediction point. Patience, patience and poco a poco as Atria says! Cheers, Star.

[Andonis]

Does anybody know how can one correct mnually the ASC /MC of a birth chart (when one knows the new rectified ASC) using Astrolog32?

[Andonis]

Does anybody know how can one correct mnually the ASC /MC of a birth chart (when one knows the new rectified ASC) using Astrolog32?

[Sag Moon]

Astrolog 5.41G and later default to using smaller orbs for "comparison" (dual ring; transit, progressed-to-natal, etc).

Settings -> Aspect Settings .. "decrease comparison chart's orbs" -- set that to zero and it will use the same orbs for all charts. The logic here is many feel transit and progressed orbs are smaller than natal orbs. The default, 2.5, subtracts 2.5 degrees from each aspect orb in transit/progressed dual-ring mode.

If 5.41g is working for you, don't worry about 1.33 :)

Just so you know the "Zero" setting did not work for me so I just used 0.1 as that took.

Thanks fr the help ,you are most knowledgable wit htis softare and I have used the other version since their inception.