Pluto Transits

[Amazon1963]

Since I keep seeing references to several members remarking about Pluto transits....thought for organization purposes that a discussion thread be started...

Sag 8 degrees rising here...Pluto transiting my 1st house since around 1995. Squares and oppositions: Pluto opposition Sun; Pluto square Moon; Uranus opposition Pluto, etc and so on...I dont have the author of the following...this is from early notes I made on transits:

Pluto: Pluto symbolises complete change and transformation ~ not suddenly like Uranus but slowly, profoundly and with a focus on the very depths of our beings. It brings strength and intensity to whichever area of our lives it touches. Pluto transits question the central tenets on which we have built our existence and why we behave in the ways that we do. They bring hidden psychological baggage to the surface ~ allowing us to review and to rebuild matters from a fundamental standpoint. Outmoded yet deeply conditioned psychological and emotional responses are frequently notable candidates for such.

Pluto transits often confront us with highly sensitive topics which we would rather ignore, so it's effects can be very difficult whilst we are working through them. Issues of control, manipulation, jealousy, possessiveness, dominance and power are frequent. This planet can engender a very ruthless response, so attitudes which take no account of the feelings of others should certainly be avoided. It's entry into a house is often associated with destruction and with decay, yet in time a new order will arise providing that Pluto's essential challenges are squarely addressed.

Inappropriate resistance will generally prove useless anyway. It will usually only serve to extend and to prolong this planet's more difficult effects!

PLUTO TRANSITING YOUR 1ST HOUSE (approx. 14-30 years duration)
During this period you may desire increased personal power and physical invulnerability. You may transform your personal appearance and personal expression several times. You may increase your will power, self-confidence, and personal resourcefulness through physical or competitive activities. Through stages of self-improvement you cast off your vulnerable or threatened self- image and assume a stronger, more autonomous persona.

10 years of having Pluto transiting my 1st house has resulted in an 'armed truce' with the planet. I might add its effects on my psyche, reactions, feelings and perspective have been profound (thats putting it mildly :roll: ). As a side note, it was during this time that I earned the nickname, Amazon. Yep, friends and family really do call me Amazon.

The power issues in my personal life have been about 'others', specifically their attempts to manipulate, exert control or to totally dominate me and my reactions to their efforts. I would also like to note that if you ever have to deal with some of the oppositions and squares that I have had in the last 2-3 years and are still occurring presently in my chart...May all the blessings of the universe fill you with more patience for others and yourself than you ever thought possible. Cuz yer gonna need lots of patience...

Interestingly, over the past six days or so, I have been pondering this very subject and reviewing journal entries. Had a great 'aha' moment too...I took a special work assignment in another state 2 years ago to 'get away' from what I thought at the time was dysfunctional family dynamic.

LOL! Guess what I learned? You might move or remove yourself from what you may perceive as the source, but your transits chase you regardless!! In the new state I found the same Pluto issues just with different people. At the time I was unaware of natal charts or transits and have now become aware. So it was actually the energies and reactions I carried within myself that brought out issues in another location.

You cannot change people or events. But you can change how you react to them, positively or negatively. You can change your thoughts not theirs. One of the most important lessons I have learned since Pluto came to visit my 1st house.

So, this Amazon keeps her plutonian charged arrows of assertion lightly sheathed, chooses her battles wisely, welcomes the challenge of introspection and personal growth, follows her own path regardless of what others would attempt to dominate, and realizes that a little bit of Pluto goes a very long way.

And so...where is Pluto transiting in your chart?

Amazon

[C1]

Amazon,
:roll: Thank you for affirming that this current Pluto transit
is
potentially one of the paramount experiences
of my lifetime! 8)
On International Women's Day, 1995, I arrived in a
new city...halfway across the country,
with retrograde Pluto newly arrived in early degrees
of my 12th house, in Sagittarius,

so, for the past ten years the deep transforming
consciousness-shift of Pluto's transit
has taken hold of me (wrapped me in a cocoon of
transformation).

The effect: I am being forced to perceive
how I throw my personality around....an individual
within groups/family/society/culture...instead of
deepening my integrity and finding the true source
within.

So for me, I experienced flings with "the terrible girls":cry:

and sad relationship break-ups,

and misgivings after working for folks who were rich enough

to exert a kind of cult-ish, "collective ego" control

over their retinues....and realizing how I was losing touch

with my inner truth,

and how that truly destroyed the possibility of

becoming an effective human being in a solid

loving/working relationship with other people

of integrity and common vision.

Now, daily staying in touch as best I can

with the

source of love....

I see that the past few years have really

been an initiation

period...

(spiritual "timed release" transformation :wink: -- thanks Lapis!).

Pluto has crossed my natal chiron, crossed my Ascendant and

entered my 1st house....I've had Jupiter preceding Pluto in the

12th House, transiting natal Chiron, Ascendant and then onward....

I've had a chiron transit and lots of fire-in-heaven astrological

burning away of the chaff....

Hmmmm...let's see....you said,

Pluto: Pluto symbolises complete change and transformation ~ not suddenly like Uranus but slowly, profoundly and with a focus on the very depths of our beings. It brings strength and intensity to whichever area of our lives it touches. Pluto transits question the central tenets on which we have built our existence and why we behave in the ways that we do. They bring hidden psychological baggage to the surface ~ allowing us to review and to rebuild matters from a fundamental standpoint. Outmoded yet deeply conditioned psychological and emotional responses are frequently notable candidates for such.

Pluto transits often confront us with highly sensitive topics which we would rather ignore, so it's effects can be very difficult whilst we are working through them. Issues of control, manipulation, jealousy, possessiveness, dominance and power are frequent. This planet can engender a very ruthless response, so attitudes which take no account of the feelings of others should certainly be avoided. It's entry into a house is often associated with destruction and with decay, yet in time a new order will arise providing that Pluto's essential challenges are squarely addressed.

Inappropriate resistance will generally prove useless anyway. It will usually only serve to extend and to prolong this planet's more difficult effects!

PLUTO TRANSITING YOUR 1ST HOUSE (approx. 14-30 years duration)
During this period you may desire increased personal power and physical invulnerability. You may transform your personal appearance and personal expression several times. You may increase your will power, self-confidence, and personal resourcefulness through physical or competitive activities. Through stages of self-improvement you cast off your vulnerable or threatened self- image and assume a stronger, more autonomous persona.

10 years of having Pluto transiting my 1st house has resulted in an 'armed truce' with the planet. I might add its effects on my psyche, reactions, feelings and perspective have been profound (thats putting it mildly ). As a side note, it was during this time that I earned the nickname, Amazon. Yep, friends and family really do call me Amazon.

I'm still in the cocoon, being transformed,
and as we ride along with sun and pluto to
GC, I feel that the mass consciousness may become
involved....

We're just lucky enough to have Pluto transiting our 1st house
:roll:

Thank you for this eye-
and heart-opening post, Amazon!
I just had to respond.
Journaling is a great idea, too.
Much appreciation.....
C1

[Summery Joy]

You cannot change people or events. But you can change how you react to them, positively or negatively.


Yup. When the weather person tells you that tomorrow is going to be cold and probably rainy, you can either choose to stay at home or dress appropriately and take an umbrella just in case. It's not the weather's problem how you react to the news :)

Pluto entered my 7th house in 1995 and it's still there. I honestly do not know what to make of such transit especially with the conj with natal Neptune and opposition to natal Juno that are in effect as we speak.

Also, Pluto is about to enter my 8th house. That should be good right? It's like Pluto's natural habitat.

Anyone cares to take a shot at it?

[wilsontc]

Heart,

When transiting (planets in the sky) Pluto (transformation, also power) moves through our 8th house (transformation, also power) it is a time when we have the opportunity to focus on and build our power. However, if we do not use our power, we will frequently find that others are willing to use our power FOR us. This can result in our giving up our power to others. At the time of this Pluto transit, there may be issues of control and power which demand us to keep and use our own power.

Powerfully,

Tim

[Elianah]

Hey Amazon,

All 8° Sag Risings unite! And also the Pluto in Virgo generation!

Anyway, here is a little journal of Transiting Pluto in Sag for me:

1995--Go to the Bahamas for the first time, get sick during the trip and have to return back to seminary early.

1996--Go to Israel for the first time.

1997--Stop studying at the Jewish Theological Seminary. Start working at Hebrew Union College.

1998--Start studying at Hebrew Union College.

2002--Leave Hebrew Union College and New York City and start massage training at Heartwood.

2003--Run out of money to complete training at Heartwood. Return to Des Moines, IA.

2005--Still stuck in Des Moines.

Such is life. :roll:

[Amazon1963]

C1, you hang in there and be true to your 'self'. Its your life to live, your choices to make, your successes or failures, own it! Pluto helped shape who I have become and I like myself a lot better now! Of course there are many other things to consider but I emphasize the Pluto because of such depths it 'touches'. :D As for the GC thing? Honestly, I dont know if its my limited knowledge of astrology or I simply am not going to be a participant in the event, but I dont get it???? I'm still studying and learning so theres still some time perhaps for me to catch a ride..never know!!

Sorehearted!!!! Gosh, know what passed through my mind when I read your post? You asking for some info about when was a good time to review your resume and resign from the family business. That Pluto transit on the 8th...family power/guilt issues...you learning to be who you are aside and separate from your family. I too, have a very potent 4th house and my 'center' is my family...but is it really? Shouldn't the center of me be me? Dont I deserve to have my own life and path? Maybe I'm wrong but I sensed some similar issues that I have dealt with here. Saturn is currently transiting my 8th house bringing up more or less the same issues that Tim stated in his post (thank you Tim for your very astute interpretation as always!).

Here are my notes on Pluto transit to 8th house..remember its a generic interpretation, take into consideration your own 8th house ruler, aspects, and so on.

PLUTO TRANSITING YOUR 8TH HOUSE (approx. 14-30 years duration)
You may desire more control over security issues during this period. You may feel emotionally or physically threatened through natural disasters or forces beyond your personal control. Sexual drive and appeal is stimulated along with the survival urge. A death may motivate you to take greater precautions. You may be more involved in joint finances, corporate business, insurance, wills, inheritance, taxes, and alimony at this time.

You hang in there too!

Amazon

[Amazon1963]

Elianah,

Coincidental...your journey was about trying to hit goals or what you felt 'called' to do. In many ways I think mine was too. Nothing came together until I acknowledged my part in all of this. That until I faced my shortcomings, which included allowing people to exploit my generous nature and desire to serve, I was never going to be fulfilled or accomplish what I needed to do for me.

You must have a Sag midheaven or Sag 9th house, all that spiritual knowledge within you. That drive to delve deeper into collective and philosophical meanings. So hows that all working for ya in Iowa? Ever consider publishing some of yourself? You have a worthy gift and are very generous and prudent with it. I hope you continue to fan the flame of your dreams, Elianah, they are worthy of you.

Either that or we gotta get you a better set of arrows, sister Sag!... :D

Amazon

[Lapis]

What a great first post Amazon1963, plus now your name makes sense too! Oh this Pluto business is really somethin' isn't it everybody? I sense the best is coming soon too.

For me transiting Pluto entered my 10th (14 Sag 40') at the end of Jan. 2001. Mercury is there at 17 Sag rx, so my Mercury has been Pluto flavored for a long while now......hope it doesn't show too much. :wink:

To go into accurate and honest full detail about what all I've experienced over the past few years would fill a book, a weird book, so I'll cut to the chase as the saying goes - but leave out the really scary negative etheric plane stuff.

Also during this time transiting Saturn (Capricorn Sun) was plowing very deep furrows through Cancer which made this whole thing like a Hollywood horror movie for me personally. I swear we should have a thread just for the deep drama of transiting Saturn through Cancer!!! This past one was just as horrible and otherworldly as the one before it in 1974-75 for me which I've even considered writing a book about.

With transiting Pluto in my 10th now I've been highly aware of all the 4th house issues also. There is little that separates the energies of the 10th/4th houses and what I've been experiencing.

'Neighbors from Hell' moved into the rental next door (around 2000) and THE TESTS started in a huge and horrible way. Most of this tale is R rated plus there were strong negative paranormal energies at play too which made these 2 transits a literal life and death struggle much of the time. Staying sane became the main goal while learning how to repeatedly face my personal fears about confronting and dealing with "Authority" figures. Like the Police, Attorney's, Court House, Environmental Health Dept., Animal Control Dept. and on and on. Prior to this I'd never thought of a demon as an "Authority" figure!!! Neighbors from Hell was an understatement, it was worse actually.

Long story short, sold that House because it was blatantly obvious that we needed to be living somewhere else (Mom had owned and lived at that house for the past 31 years!) and so we sold it and moved in June 2004. Heaven........peace, safety, quiet, no demons, no gun fire, no pit bull dogs barking 24/7, no drug addicts, no alcholic's, no male hostility and attacks from both the physical and astral, no more need to deal with idiotic police who found it easier to point the finger of blame at elder females than have to deal with younger threatening drunk males with guns. You get the picture I'm sure. There was much more but......think of all that lives in the Dark places of Pluto and Saturn in Cancer and this is what it was.

BUT after having repeatedly faced my different 10th house fears, we finally got out of there, moved into a much better place for current growth and learning. Now this Plutonian/Sagittarius energy seems to have moved to a subtler level where I'm having to readjust my place in the world. My understanding of 'who I am' is being expanded again and I'm being forced to let go of different aspects of 'me' so that larger, less "Lapis" aspects can also be incorporated into my conscious self.

I think what's happened so far is that by my facing so many of my personal fears on both the external and internal worlds/realities, my sense of self is able to expand out a couple more notches. But, once again Pluto is inching its way up to a conjunction with my Sun at 1 Capricorn and then Chiron at 4 Capricorn so there's still a whole lot of transformational work coming it looks like to me. I'm excited about this but also have my moments of mild concern too. I mean this is a never-been-experienced-before transit so..... :?: AND during all this Pluto will move across the GC!

[Elianah]

My 8° Sag is my ASC and the Moon and Saturn Rx conjunction are parked at 16° and 19°, respectively. My 9th house cusp is 14° Leo an all but 3° of Virgo reside in the 9th. Mercury is at 0° Virgo, one of its rulerships, and Pluto is at 1°, with a smidgen more of 30' between them. I also had a very long Merc Rx secondary progression that I came out of in the mid-90s (and started in my teens).

Truthfully, it isn't working for me here in Iowa. Iowa became a state in the days of Capricorn, Des Moines is a Virgo city, and my father and brother are Cappies. I know that there are root issues I need to work with and release, even if I can't resolve them, so I can move forward. There is something I need to release regarding family and that first big clan, represented by my 30th high school class reunion this coming summer. I think that is what transiting Saturn in my Cancer/Leo 8th house has been all about. T-Saturn first conjuncted my Leo Sun, then trined my ASC, conjuncted my Uranus, and is now moving back toward my ASC. Eventually it will also trine my Moon and Saturn, then trine my SN and sextile my NN, then it gets to play with my Virgo stuff. Joy, joy!

[Amazon1963]

Sincerest apologies Elianah! Of course your midheaven wouldnt be in Sag if your Asc is..doh!!! I was more focused on the meaning rather than the aspects themselves. How there are so many similarities here with this group and the Sag risings for sure! How Pluto transits affect each person profoundly and somewhat differently, still the same underlying theme. Way cool stuff for this novice!

Elianah wrote:
I know that there are root issues I need to work with and release, even if I can't resolve them, so I can move forward. There is something I need to release regarding family and that first big clan, represented by my 30th high school class reunion this coming summer. I think that is what transiting Saturn in my Cancer/Leo 8th house has been all about.

C1 wrote:
The effect: I am being forced to perceive
how I throw my personality around....an individual
within groups/family/society/culture...instead of
deepening my integrity and finding the true source
within.
Brave insight, C1! Gotta love how strong Pluto makes us through introspection.

I wrote:
The power issues in my personal life have been about 'others', specifically their attempts to manipulate, exert control or to totally dominate me and my reactions to their efforts.


In review of the interpretation of Pluto transiting 1st house:
During this period you may desire increased personal power and physical invulnerability. You may transform your personal appearance and personal expression several times. You may increase your will power, self-confidence, and personal resourcefulness through physical or competitive activities. Through stages of self-improvement you cast off your vulnerable or threatened self- image and assume a stronger, more autonomous persona.

Well, we still have some more time ahead of us to host Pluto on the Asc, more power plays within ourselves and others, root issues to deal with on personal levels. I plan to continue to grow and assume that 'stronger more autonomous persona' in the most constructive and positive ways possible.

A side note: Elianah, my 9th house is 16 degrees Leo through Virgo 21 degrees. Stellium in Virgo composed of Uranus 1 degree, Mars, 6 degrees, and Pluto 9 degrees, add in a bunch of asteroids also in Virgo, the exception is my Palla @ 17 Leo. Saturn Rx in Aq in 3rd opposing Uranus, Merc 0 degree in Gemini in the 6th house squaring every dang planet except Venus, thats a conjunction. I still havent quite figured all of what this means but still plugging away at it!

I still think you should consider some sort of publishing. Your keen perception of philosophies, spiritual concepts and the way you present them are very informative and enlightening. This is not insincere flattery (I despise that!), it is merely my opinion. :)

Great response so far on Pluto transits. I hope others gain from the posts as well. Pluto has strong influence and not just on the 1st house.

Amazon

[Amazon1963]

Lapis???? Sounds to me like you needed an 'Amazon' as your neighbor! Sheesh! I went through something similar back in '95 when I first moved to this house. Oh my, the drama (I really dont like negative drama especially in the home arena)!

I beat em though...tenacious and righteous in the good 'fight'. Even organized and gathered the neighborhood as a collective on the issue. Tough battle but we prevailed. :D I even received a voluntary formal apology from the other party with a peaceful parting.

Thats a real darn shame though that you and your mother had to go through such an unnecessary time like that. Wish that you could have had the same sort of resolution as I experienced. I am glad that life has improved for you now. Sounds to me like moving served perhaps a higher purpose than just being in a peaceful neighborhood.

Astrologically, would I be correct in stating that all of your Pluto transits in this lifetime will deal primarily with the 'outer' aspects? Whereas the rest of my lifetime I will deal more with 'inner' aspects? I havent delved into progressed charts as of yet, still mastering the natal chart and basic transits here.

Lapis, you wrote:

I think what's happened so far is that by my facing so many of my personal fears on both the external and internal worlds/realities, my sense of self is able to expand out a couple more notches.

I admire the bravery I am reading here on these posts. Takes a lot of courage to look deep inside and admit what you see there. So many of you are so very much in touch with your 'inner' self.

When analyzing the human as a whole and their reactions or resolutions to a variable in an equation, I am not comfortable with simplistic answers. I wouldnt want to say that Pluto brought about all the changes in the person, rather a collective of the natal chart and aspects, other transits within the chart, the environment and how the individual synthesizes all of these components to effectively resolve problems.

We are so very complex in our physical, emotional, and spiritual selves and yet we operate within a single form. Amazing, truly amazing when the person is able to live a lifetime of learning and hopefully reaching self actualization. I would hope that for every person.

Lapis? As Pluto reaches back into those depths, remember you will emerge a better and more insightful person than before. Enlightenment is only frightening until we understand its true meaning.

Funny story about how my nickname started..maybe one day I will share it!

Again, hope others will share their 'Pluto' experience or more enlightenment on Pluto transits.

Amazon

[Elianah]

Amazon,

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I think what worries me about publishing is the "what wiil the neighbors think" factor and wondering if I have a thick enough skin to take criticism and just let it roll off my back. Perhaps that is one of the things that transiting Pluto in the 1st is supposed to teach me, especially when it trines my natal Mercury/Pluto Virgo conjunction in the 9th.

I know that the "what will the neighbors think" comes from my upbringing, primary school socialization and my Leo Sun wanting to be loved and appreciated. It is one of the reasons that going to my 30th high school reunion is important to me. I need to release the rocks from the slingshots of high school. An astrologer friend here in Des Moines says (as a friend, not an astrologer) that I don't need to go to my high school reunion if I am trying to prove something to everyone else. The thing is, I am not trying to prove anything to them, I need to prove my value to myself (precursor to Pluto moving into my 2nd house, which won't actually happen for another two and a half years). I think transiting Pluto wants to transform and transmute that image I have of myself within that defining clan setting (for what bigger clan has anyone belong to than high school?) from so long ago so I can move on to bigger and better things.

As for the thick enough skin to take criticism, perhaps transiting Pluto will also give me that. I know that the dust is still settling from the final contact of transiting Pluto with my natal Moon/Saturn Rx conjunction, so I still need to mine that for any "ah has" that are there.

I know that when I read Tim's post on Sheymr's speculation question that picked apart my response to Sheymr because it wasn't coming from a traditional "heart-centered" approach, I really bristled at that. I think that both he and I came to pretty much the same conclusions through different methods of interpretation, which I said in my reply to him. I think what stung me is being told that what I was doing was not "heart-centered." That's a big piece of shrapnell for a Leo to take, don't you think? I thought I was very measured and respectful in my reply to Tim although I alternately want to slap him silly and say "well, maybe I shouldn't be doing astrology." If I do that with one critical post, what would I do with the critiques I would get if I published trade?

I do know that my astrology does differ quite a bit from traditional astrology, especially when a traditional astrologer does "fire and brimstone" interpretations of doom and gloom. I do believe that it is important that each client receives a balance of potential positive and negative outcomes that might ensue from use of the energy. What I stress, however is that the person does have a choice in the use of the energy and how that person uses the energy will, in the long run, determine the positive or the negative outcome for the person. I think the risks that I see inherent in traditional astrology is that a client can come away thinking that they are fated to play out the energy just as the astrologer told them it would play out and then that can create a pygmillion effect and take the responsibility of the client's choices out of that person's hands. "My chart said I would do it, so I did."

To me, a heart-centered approach means giving clients information that allows for an informed decision to be made and then helping the client accept the responsibility and accountability for the choices made. When that is done, client has the ability to grow from the experience—if the client so chooses, of course.

My 2¢ worth, take what fits and ditch the rest.

[Amazon1963]

Elianah,

Pondered your last post for a bit. Really feel compelled to have some input on some of what you are 'saying'. If Pluto's task is to drag our inner issues to the surface and help us to redefine those issues then Pluto has done that for me as an individual and also has helped me to realize that these issues will always be with me. My challenge then is to continue to use the lessons in my own life and to help others if a need arises.

I hope that Pluto helps you to accomplish the same thing. Bear with me as I attempt to define a few things. Its easier for me to communicate through 'showing'. My message is much gentler that way. I have a very strong personality and opinions and it is based on fact and practical application. It is not my objective to steamroll the topic or clutter it with my habit of being somewhat 'verbose'.

First, you stated this as a personal concern, "what will the neighbors think?" and how you felt that there was an inferred criticism. This isnt necessarily a negative trait, Elianah, your reaction. It also shows pride and ownership of what you stated. Yes, you and Tim both stated much the same interpretation on the person's request. Remember the saying, "Ask 7 different astrologers one question and you will receive 7 different answers.", its about communication styles. I would further add to that statement and state that a query would also receive the same 7 answers to generic types of questions.

Robert Hand and Pelletier interpret most transits in similar ways, stressing one differing part of the transit in their written interpretations. I dont think that it means either of them is incorrect, rather, they approach from different bases of education, culture, personal communication approaches to scientific and metaphysical topics.

I would further ask this, which is more important? The message or the messenger?.

So, what will the neighbors think? Well, lets take another writer aside from this forum, Eric Francis. Now, I know many follow his writings and theories, thats wonderful! I have been reading his columns for quite some time. I dont read them for his geo-political views either. I happen to think he's very misinformed on the topic. I further think he's great at maligning government systems and identifying the problems as he views them, yet offers no pragmatic, practical application to solve the problems that he is so well versed in defining. (anybody can criticize and whine but its real leaders who can solve) Yet, the basis of his messages in astrology does help to reveal some epiphanies and understanding in the readers. That represents the larger and more positive aspect of his 'message'. I would hazard a guess that Mr. Francis has had to field his share of critics and naysayers on both his geo-political views and his interpretations of astrological topics. I would further suggest he wouldnt give a flying fig about my opinion of his geo-political views either, as his readers continue to read and he continues to write.

You have your own unique way of presenting your 'message' and that is not a right or wrong style. If you presented it as factual when indeed it wasnt, then it would be wrong and deserving of harsh criticism. You show your higher education by prefacing your statements and theories so that the reader understands the 'message'. Your patience and interest in educating the reader is very apparent to me. You have always exhibited patience with the individual.

This is where I decided to encourage you to seek some sort of publishing objective. As this millenia progresses and astrology is embraced with more open minds and understanding by the general public as never before, especially through the internet, there will be a major challenge ahead for many individuals to reconcile their 'spiritual' base in organized religions. As a fellow Sag rising I also believe you seek honesty in your approach and intent to teaching and projection of ideas. I have witnessed this time and again through your posts. Thats critical at this point in time. There are many out there who would seek to manipulate and twist ideals using astrology and 'new age' topics. Remember too, that astrology is more of a 'subjective' topic versus an 'objective' topic. I think you have a firm grasp on that fact as well.

I hope Pluto awakens you. I hope the transit over your Merc strips all that other stuff away. I hope Pluto helps to solve those 'inner' issues for you. I hope you do attend your 30th high school reunion with the outlook of valuing yourself and your gifts and talents more so than now. I value you and I didnt even go to high school with you! I further hope that you will continue to be the effective and instructional participant in this forum that you have always been. Lastly, I think Iowa can 'work' for you until such a time as you chose to leave or stay. You have the whole world at your fingertips. The internet represents many things on many levels to many different peoples. I believe the continued growth of the internet also represents people's thirst for knowledge and enlightenment on many topics.

Now..thats my 2 cents worth! Reading back? Its more like $.50 worth but I dont expect any change back!

Amazon

[Elianah]

Amazon,

I know that transiting Pluto is working towards that, I think... I hope that I will be able to transform and transmute that belief pattern.

I think also that when Pluto switches from Sagittarius to Capricorn in my first, I will be able to concretize and put into form with both a sturdy interior and exterior skeleton that is more the me my soul wants me to be rather than the me that the outside world has tried to form.

The real battle for me is that I did have a past life where I was a "guru" of something and I know that I misused the power that came with that respect from my disciples. I know that I really liked the power and somehow it was "absolute" over my disciples, almost to the point of completely destroying their critical thinking abilities and their ability to see that they had free choice. The energy I feel from that time is that I took their responsibility for their lives and actions away from them (and yes, I know that they willingly gave that to me also). I do not want that type of power this time and I feel that type of power corruption all around me. I look at Bush, the fundamentalist groups in all religions, and other forms of misuesd power and shudder because I know where it can lead to, and it is not healthy and for the highest and greatest good of everything that Earth provides.

I would like to be a repsected teacher but not a "guru" and we live in a time that many people are demanding "gurus," perhaps an artifact of the Pluto in Leo generation. Being at the beginning of the Pluto in Virgo generation, I can see the excesses of "guru"-ism and want to be purified and cleared of them. Yet it is so easy to be drug back into the excesses beause of my 8th house Leo Sun, my Uranus in the 8th or 9th (depending on the house system used), and my Mercury/Pluto Virgo conjunction squarley in the 9th. I haven't figured out the path of balance yet that will allow me to be a supportive, nurturing, healing teacher without the power issue coming into play. I am not here to take power and responsibility away from others, rather to give it back to them.

I haven't found the way to do that yet.

[Kite]

Well I can relate to that one Elianah - fear of owning one's power . Might be more common than one thinks. Pluto in my 10th transiting my Saturn in Sag conjunt the MC (Napoleonic/Hitler position) and transiting my Sun at 19 Sag in 10 has definately brought these issues to the surface. In 1995 I lost my job because i let my ego do the driving. I spent the next several years going from one humbling experience to another until I finally realized that power was not the annadote to feeling powerless and that true power could only come from within.

My 30th high school reunion was a couple of weeks ago. I didn't go. I only went a couple of years to the school as I dropped out when we moved away and decided to fend or myself at 16. I still felt that need for acceptance - the frustration of the group never really knowing me or thinking they knew someone else that was not me. I saw some pictures from the event on the Classmates.com boards and my reaction was - Boy are those people OLD..and who are they..I didn't recognize one person. I realized that my time in that environment represented 2-4% of my lifespan..certainly not worth a whole lot in defining myself. The fact that I became pretty successful in the business world was certainly something I wanted to flaunt - pictues of my 3,500 sq ft house, all my media and entertainment toys, beautiful wife and daughter...how petty was that?

My last 2 years I have been in counseling dealing with OCD issues related to tying to heal my family of origin trauma. All of this came to the surface in a public way, as you stated in another post, and affected my marriage (Sun rules 7th) (Saturn rules 12th) forcing us to relate on a level of honesty, integrety and trust that we had never fully realized.
I am hoping my Chiron return will help this effort continue to evolve.

Anyway, back to the power issue - One must ask oneself: Am I doing this in service to self or service to others? That will keep your moral compass steering you in the right direction and letting go of the clamps you've put on allowing your power to flow through.

[wilsontc]

Elianah,

You wrote:
I know that when I read Tim's post on Sheymr's speculation question that picked apart my response to Sheymr because it wasn't coming from a traditional "heart-centered" approach, I really bristled at that. I think that both he and I came to pretty much the same conclusions through different methods of interpretation, which I said in my reply to him. I think what stung me is being told that what I was doing was not "heart-centered." That's a big piece of shrapnell for a Leo to take, don't you think? I thought I was very measured and respectful in my reply to Tim although I alternately want to slap him silly and say "well, maybe I shouldn't be doing astrology." If I do that with one critical post, what would I do with the critiques I would get if I published trade?

In response to what I wrote:
First, according to Elianah's method, Sagittarius, Jupiter, and 9th house have to do with speculation and risk taking in general...Now, let's look at the chart from "heart"'s perspective (the more "traditional" perspective). Using this method, Leo, Sun, and 5th house have to do with speculation and risk taking in general...

My purpose was to compare and contrast two completely different ways of interpreting a chart, both which are valid, in my opinion. In one version, yours, risk-taking is about being "expansive" in the other, sorehearted's, risk-taking is about being "self-expressive". As I pointed out, sorehearted's interpretation is the more traditional one, but your non-traditional way of interpreting also made sense. Interestingly, BOTH methods led to the same conclusion of confusion or possible deception in speculation. So much for what I was trying to say.

What I did NOT realize was that you had misunderstood my "heart"'s comment as being a comment about a "heart"ed way of approaching astrology. Instead, my "heart" comment was simply a contraction of "sorehearted"s name. I have taken to contracting people's web names, taking out anything in the name that seems to me negative...so in this case I removed the word "sore" from "sorehearted" and simplified it to "heart". I put it in quotes to make it clear I was NOT talking about a physical heart, but instead about a person named "heart". So much for communicating clearly during Mercury retrograde! ;)

And, since I have been quoting so much from my own words, it is only approriate that I finish by quoting from your very fine words about the purpose of astrology in our daily lives (please DON'T slap me ;) ...I am only trying to be give credit where credit is due...really! )

I do believe that it is important that each client receives a balance of potential positive and negative outcomes that might ensue from use of the energy. What I stress, however is that the person does have a choice in the use of the energy and how that person uses the energy will, in the long run, determine the positive or the negative outcome for the person. I think the risks that I see inherent in traditional astrology is that a client can come away thinking that they are fated to play out the energy just as the astrologer told them it would play out and then that can create a pygmillion effect and take the responsibility of the client's choices out of that person's hands. "My chart said I would do it, so I did."

That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know...as someone once said! ;)

Apologizing and clarifying (and ducking! ;) ),

Tim

[Amazon1963]

Wow Tim! You rock man! Thank you sir. So any sage advice on Pluto transits?

See Elianah? Its about different communication styles and throw some Merc Rx in there as well!

Thats why I like this forum, so blessed with people who respect one another and share liberally from their perspectives.

Elianah? Teaching will 'fit' you when the time is right for you, just know that others felt the same way I do. You have a talent for the written word and I am not the only one who sees it. I just happened to have a bigger mouth about it is all.

Kite,

Ok now this tickled me... :D I saw some pictures from the event on the Classmates.com boards and my reaction was - Boy are those people OLD..and who are they..I didn't recognize one person.

Thank you for sharing your experience with Pluto transiting your 10th. I am very pleased that Pluto has you 'regenerating' what is worthy and plumbing the depths of your self finding the 'truth'. Again, it takes a brave soul to look that deep, to recognize and to 'own' what's there! Much applause to you sir! May your journey continue to be fruitful and rewarding.

Alright now, thats 2 so far with Pluto transits to the 10th, 1 for the 7th and 3 for its transits to the 1st house. Anyone else care to share insights on Pluto transits?

Amazon

[Summery Joy]

Oops. So sorry my screen name caused all this misunderstanding. Until Mercury leaves its retrograde zone, feel free to call me Nora :D ;)

[wilsontc]

Amazon,

You asked:
...any sage advice on Pluto transits?

Like Elianah, I don't want to be a "sage", but I do have a few thoughts to share, since you asked! My experience has been that Pluto (AND Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune) transits are strongest when they cross the Ascendant, Nadir, Descendant, or Midheaven. It was my experiences of these planets crossing my Nadir that really helped drive home the powerful message of astrology, that the movement of the planets in the sky really do symbolize the transitions in our lives.

The only advice I have about transits of Pluto to these points is to go with the Pluto energy, instead of trying to fight it. Pluto will rip down everything we thought was stable and secure and all we can do is to cling on to our sanity. But going through this process builds our personal power and helps us show what is REALLY important in our lives. But that wisdom can only be gained by going through the transformative Pluto process.

Plutonically,

Tim

P.S. Nice to meet you, Nora! :D

[Elianah]

Lapis, do you have a good emoticon for wiping egg off the face?

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Tim,

Reading the post you did and substituting Sore's name into it, I do get a totally different understanding from it. I can now see that you were doing a comparison between Nora's and my interpretation, rather than cutting down my interpretation because it wasn't "heart centered" (and where I got that phrase out of your post, I will never know... :? ) and more traditional.

I definitely rescind my wanting to slap you silly and present you with 30 wet noodles to give me 90 lashes. :lol: :lol:

Also, can we convince Mercury Rx to station and direct today instead of tomorrow? Hmmm...I wonder what degree Merc was at when I first read your post Monday. Checking....checking....it was already back into Scorpio on Monday, so it wasn't squatting on anything in my 1st house. However, it could be considered squaring my natal 9th house Virgo Mercury/Pluto conjunction that day. Interesting syncronicity...

I also noticed, by looking at the emphemeris, that Mars Rx was in waning inconjunct aspect to my ASC in approaching orb. It is now squatting directly inconjunct with my ASC. No wonder imaginary and unnecessary battlelines were being drawn. (And my solar arc Jupiter is also conjunct my ASC, so think what that does to everything...:shock::shock:)

The thing which still stands is my inability to take perceived criticism in stride. Until I can do that (and my Virgo midheaven wants me to be able to do that perfectly and precisely :P :P ), I will be too petrified to release anything into the general public.

Intellectually I know that this is an ongoing process and it won't improve until I actually get out there in public but tell that to my Moon-Saturn Rx conjunction in the 1st.

Living life in a perpetual quandry,

Elianah

[wilsontc]

Elianah,

In my opinion, you are going in the right direction by posting on the grouplist. Putting your ideas "front and center" gives everyone a chance to see...and comment on your ideas. This can be incredibly nerve-racking (at least, it was for ME when I first started doing this many years ago! ;) ), but it is the safest way to expose ourselves to criticism and different points of view.

As I mentioned in another post, I started out doing astrology postings in response to charting requests on the web. What I think I DIDN'T mention was that I sometimes created the wrong chart and did interpretations on THAT chart. I remember vividly I received one comment one day from someone who asked, jokingly, that, since my commentary on his chart included planets and points that he didn't, and never would, possess, perhaps I was using some completely different house system he had never heard of! :shock: I was SO embarrassed! :oops: And I didn't want to post any more because I was entirely wrong about the chart.

But, on reflection, it occurred to me that this person has never and will never meet me. That I could still do OTHER people's charts...I simply had to check and recheck their chart information. It also occurred to me that I had to make a decision. Was I going to give up interpreting because I had made a mistake, or was I going to learn from that mistake and continue interpreting charts and learning from the experience? I decided to learn from my mistake and keep interpreting as best I could.

Today I have a web site dedicated to chart reading but, even today, sometimes I make a mistake and someone catches it (just today, in fact). So I apologize, correct my mistake, and repost. Life goes on, even after mistakes, and mistakes are the way we grow and learn. If we never take a chance we never get anywhere in life...but if we take a chance, sooner or later we will make a mistake. Which is simply an opportunity to learn some more! ;)

Making mistakes,

Tim

[Elianah]

Returning to the topic at hand...

It is interesting to note that Pluto first tried entering Sagittarius on January 18, 1995 but got sky-jacked by Rxing back into Scorpio starting April 22 and turned direct in Scorpio on August 9th of that year. Pluto went into Sag for good on November 11, 1995.

We started getting the real fundamentalist backlash across the globe after that, with the moralist preaching and impeaching (or at least trying) within the US political system that stalled out the second Clinton term. And who had heard of al-Qeda back then? It was not until after Pluto in Sagittarius got on solid footing that fundamentalism and its rigid adherence to anti-modernist dogma took sway, no matter the religious or socio-political belief system. The fundamentalists monger fear and hatred in order to prove that their belief system is the one true TRUTH and all others will be damned.

This is the dark side of the Pluto in Sag transit.

Come with me Luke, come to the dark side and we will rule together. — Darth Vader.

[wilsontc]

Elianah,

Keeping with that thought...Sagittarius (expansion, also law) modifying Pluto (transformation, also power, other people's money) also brought in a huge explosion of the power of law. People have started suing everyone and everything and huge amounts of money are being handed out to everyone with any sort of legal complaint...whether or not they were actually valid. Sagittarius modifying Pluto saw the rise of the "instant settlement" where anyone would settle with anyone who made a claim, simply because it was cheaper to settle than to go to court to figure out whether or not the claim was valid!

Plutonically,

Tim

[Elianah]

And lest we forget, expansive journeys of power mongering by the US —Afganastan and Iraq.

[Lapis]

"Lapis do you have a good emoticon for wiping egg of the face?"

:lol: No Elianah but I do have this one for you....http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1317/throwingkissesemo9pd.gif

Isn't it amazing how we each get 'triggered' so as to 'trigger' other people's specific issues that desire resolution? That Aries/Libra thing I guess. Waterbearer50 and I went through something like this too recently. It's usually 'all ours' and the other person has very little to do with it actually (because its OUR old *%$#@#) and we alone must disempower the little bugger whatever 'it' is. Free up that energy and then reabsorb it back into ourselves. I know you know all this already.....just wanted to say well done. 8)

[Lapis]

Lapis???? Sounds to me like you needed an 'Amazon' as your neighbor! Sheesh! I went through something similar back in '95 when I first moved to this house. Oh my, the drama (I really dont like negative drama especially in the home arena)!

I beat em though...tenacious and righteous in the good 'fight'. Even organized and gathered the neighborhood as a collective on the issue. Tough battle but we prevailed. :D I even received a voluntary formal apology from the other party with a peaceful parting.

Thats a real darn shame though that you and your mother had to go through such an unnecessary time like that. Wish that you could have had the same sort of resolution as I experienced. I am glad that life has improved for you now. Sounds to me like moving served perhaps a higher purpose than just being in a peaceful neighborhood.

Astrologically, would I be correct in stating that all of your Pluto transits in this lifetime will deal primarily with the 'outer' aspects? Whereas the rest of my lifetime I will deal more with 'inner' aspects? I havent delved into progressed charts as of yet, still mastering the natal chart and basic transits here.

Lapis, you wrote:

I think what's happened so far is that by my facing so many of my personal fears on both the external and internal worlds/realities, my sense of self is able to expand out a couple more notches.

I admire the bravery I am reading here on these posts. Takes a lot of courage to look deep inside and admit what you see there. So many of you are so very much in touch with your 'inner' self.

When analyzing the human as a whole and their reactions or resolutions to a variable in an equation, I am not comfortable with simplistic answers. I wouldnt want to say that Pluto brought about all the changes in the person, rather a collective of the natal chart and aspects, other transits within the chart, the environment and how the individual synthesizes all of these components to effectively resolve problems.

We are so very complex in our physical, emotional, and spiritual selves and yet we operate within a single form. Amazing, truly amazing when the person is able to live a lifetime of learning and hopefully reaching self actualization. I would hope that for every person.

Lapis? As Pluto reaches back into those depths, remember you will emerge a better and more insightful person than before. Enlightenment is only frightening until we understand its true meaning.

Funny story about how my nickname started..maybe one day I will share it!

Again, hope others will share their 'Pluto' experience or more enlightenment on Pluto transits.

Amazon

Amazon1963,

Sorry it's taken me so long to answer you. I forgot where this conversation took place. I quoted you so you'd know what I was answering!

Yes it was very obvious to me for a few years prior to these 2 transits that our 'time' at that house/location was finished and we needed to be elsewhere. But after 4 long years of constant torment, we both finally understood this fact. It's a different reality living where we do now and SO much better for us both. We did what all we were supposed to do there over the years, and then were literally pushed out because it was 'time' to be elsewhere. Big sigh of relief!

"Astrologically, would I be correct in stating that all of your Pluto transits in this lifetime will deal primarily with the 'outer' aspects?"

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'outer' aspects. In my natal Pluto is in the intercepted 6th at 21 Leo 20' rx, and so from birth on Pluto has been moving across nearly everything in my chart. With t. Pluto now inching its way up to my Sun/Chiron in 10, this will just about complete its conjuncting everything. The only planets that have not and will not be conjuncted in this incarnation are.....Jupiter in 1 and Uranus in 5! ALL other planets have already been touched up close and personal by t. Pluto. Add to this the fact that Pluto is 'intercepted' and I feel a real strong connection to Him.

I'm not sure this answered your question or not.....let me know if I'm off in la la Land once again! I came down with some nasty flu or something a couple days ago and have a fever and all that goes along with that, so I probably shouldn't even be attempting to communicate now!!! :roll:

[Amazon1963]

Lapis,

I'm not sure this answered your question or not.....let me know if I'm off in la la Land once again! I came down with some nasty flu or something a couple days ago and have a fever and all that goes along with that, so I probably shouldn't even be attempting to communicate now!!!

Please feel better soon! You pretty much did answer my question. Here is where I get frustrated in studying astrology. I respond far more favorably to formal or structured study of a subject rather than the haphazard approach I am having to do now (time constraints dont allow for formal study at the moment). Be forewarned though, the first of a multitude of books on astrology has arrived to my home from Amazon.com... :D

I know what I was trying to ask, its just that my 'proper' vocabulary isnt up to par yet. What I was getting at in terms of understanding Pluto and its transits in relation to other people's lives....for example:

My Pluto is like 10 degrees from my midheaven...then interpreting a chart and how houses from 6th thru the 12th deal with 'outer' focus of the individual and 1st through to the descendant deal with 'inner' focus. So Pluto has already crossed my midheaven, 10th, 11th and 12th house, and will continue to transit the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and if I live long enough, my 4th house as well, thus my integration of Pluto transits will deal with primarily the 'inner' self.

Whereas your Pluto on the 6th has transited through to the 10th and onward to the 12th and possibly your Asc and 1st house.

Put those two things together along with what I have read that Pluto takes like 14-30 years to transit a sign...so I was asking, if in this lifetime, you would experience Pluto and your 'outer' focus and mine would be more of an 'inner' focus. Pluto aspecting your 'inner' houses with any planets would reflect your inner self working on the outer self? I meant 'outer' focus not aspects..apologies!

See, I'm still trying to grasp the interpretations of the transits through the houses and some transiting aspects.

Boy howdy can I ever cloud a question...lol!

Thank you for being patient! Truly appreciate it and the knowledge you pass on!

Amazon

[Elianah]

Like Lapis, I too find myself waylaid by a bug today. Thought it might be a good time to look at how the Pluto transit was affecting me. Of course, I had forgotten that once it began to move direct again, it would be in orbal square of my Virgo MC/Pisces IC axis. Playing into this is the fact that transiting Venus is trining my MC and sextiling my IC.

What I am thinking is that the Sag Pluto is challenging me to transform the way I view myself in within the little public (4th) and the greater public (10th). How important for me is remaining part of the family (4th) in order to carry out my soul's role in the public?

The roles I play in these areas, of course, reflect back onto my Sag ASC and how I project myself into the world, first on family/clan, then those closest to me, and finally into the greater world, which recycles their reflections back to me. Maybe this is the only true perpetual motion machine there is, always translating feedback into action.

Anyway, transiting Sag Pluto here is like a wise student who transverses the many interrelationships between the four angles and transforms them in such a way that the soul is able to come through. Now this is not an easy process for the energy within the ASC is being bombarded by the feedback from family/clan, significant others and the public on what they think the ASC should be returning to them. The ASC needs to learn to balance the demands of the other angles and determine what is right for it while maintaining its community in a healthy way. The student studies what it needs from the community (the other angles) and then teaches the community what that is while respecting the needs of the community.

The transformation/transmutation of Pluto in 1st house Sag is the ability for the ASC to say "I have value as myself in the community and I will give of myself to the community for that is part of my spiritual quest towards my wholeness."

The transiting Venus aspects to the MC/IC axis says that I must value what I need within the context of the family/clan and public and balance the needs in order to maintain and sustain my resources and worth within the greater community.

Or at least that is what the configuration is saying today. :)

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

THANK YOU, Guest, and
of course, thanks Elianah,
.....that last post is so wise
and so appropriate for
this Sag rising, as well!

What I am thinking is that the Sag Pluto is challenging me to transform the way I view myself in within the little public (4th) and the greater public (10th). How important for me is remaining part of the family (4th) in order to carry out my soul's role in the public?

The roles I play in these areas, of course, reflect back onto my Sag ASC and how I project myself into the world, first on family/clan, then those closest to me, and finally into the greater world, which recycles their reflections back to me. Maybe this is the only true perpetual motion machine there is, always translating feedback into action.

Anyway, transiting Sag Pluto here is like a wise student who transverses the many interrelationships between the four angles and transforms them in such a way that the soul is able to come through. Now this is not an easy process for the energy within the ASC is being bombarded by the feedback from family/clan, significant others and the public on what they think the ASC should be returning to them. The ASC needs to learn to balance the demands of the other angles and determine what is right for it while maintaining its community in a healthy way. The student studies what it needs from the community (the other angles) and then teaches the community what that is while respecting the needs of the community.

The transformation/transmutation of Pluto in 1st house Sag is the ability for the ASC to say "I have value as myself in the community and I will give of myself to the community for that is part of my spiritual quest towards my wholeness."

The transiting Venus aspects to the MC/IC axis says that I must value what I need within the context of the family/clan and public and balance the needs in order to maintain and sustain my resources and worth within the greater community.


....at least, I feel in harmony with the above today....who knows what
I will retain in my mind until tomorrow :|

Fortunately, transformation occurs on all planes/levels (not just the mental
emotional or physical....but multidimensional spiritual, too)....and I believe
this Earth community is "getting the message"

C1

[AquariusMoon]

The only advice I have about transits of Pluto to these points is to go with the Pluto energy, instead of trying to fight it. Pluto will rip down everything we thought was stable and secure and all we can do is to cling on to our sanity. But going through this process builds our personal power and helps us show what is REALLY important in our lives. But that wisdom can only be gained by going through the transformative Pluto process.

Very well put, Tim.

13 Sag rising here, natal Pluto in H8 cj Jupiter. My NNode is at 8 Sag, and my Sun is at 9 Gemini, and so Pluto transiting all of this seemed to work together starting with tr Pluto at 8Sag0, and my NNode at 8Sag08. I lived in a mountain forest, had a very beautiful and spiritual life, and at this time bats started flying by me late at night when I was outside, right in front of my face, and two bats actually got into my house! It was so freaky. I remember feeling at the time like that was some kind of an omen. Then all sorts of strange things started happening.

Two yrs later Pluto was exactly cj my Ascendant. By that time my whole world had completely unraveled - my long and secure marriage, my home, my social standing, my business, my ability to have children - everything - and I was in survival mode. I had given up my business willingly to move at my husband's request, and for the first time in my marriage I had been dependent on him.

According to Jeff Green, our Plutonian transformation has to do with Pluto's polarity point. In my case that is H2. So I am supposed to be financially independent and not rely on others. The negative traits of H8 Pluto would be manipulation, humiliation, betrayal, abuse - financial or otherwise - secrets, crime, abandonment, death, impotence. I must say that my marriage had been a very successful one until 9 months after I stopped working. Then things completely changed. I thought things would change back again, and so I hung in there and prayed, kept good thoughts because I "knew" we would never divorce. In hindsight, I would've been much better off had I gotten a divorce right away, but I have H7 Venus in Cancer that semisextiles my Sun, so I'm not the divorce type.

I had 4 close friends who were very intuitive, and all told me that I was in extreme danger financially and that I was even possibly in danger of losing my life, but I didn't believe them. No way! To me that sounded very bizarre. I had consulted a fairly well known psychic in L.A. from time to time. She had a program, and my husband had started to advertise on her program. One day I consulted her and asked her what she thought was really going on in my marriage. She told me point blank that my marriage was over. I just couldn't believe it. I told my husband what she said and asked him if this was true. He denied it, and a few days later I received a call from the psychic, and she told me that she was wrong, that there was nothing wrong with my marriage lol. It's like I was in heavy denial and I couldn't face what was happening.

The prior year there had been an eclipse opposing my H8 Pluto, an eclipse opposing my H2 Chiron, and an eclipse to my H2 Moon which is at the critical degree, which was the Aug 1999 Grand Cross at 18 deg fixed cj Serpentis. I wasn't into astrology then.

So many things happened. It was a very dramatic transit. I remember feeling like I had been thrown into a deep, dark pit, abandoned, left to die, and that there was no way out. I was on my own, with no relatives in my state and only $300. I went from living the perfect life in a house that had been in a magazine to renting a room in a condo. Many of my friends stuck with me for a while, but there was so much drama and things dragged on for so long, all of my relationships with my nonspiritual friends were wiped out. I think it was just too hard for them to watch. My mother got so upset and was so angry every week when I would call and tell her the latest things that were going on that first year that I believe this heavily contributed to her having a massive heart attack as she was so worried about me.

I finally listened to my friends and could see how it might be possible that my husband was actually planning to kill me so that he wouldn't have to pay me 1/2 of our assets, so I moved away and didn't let him know where I was. He hid many of our assets, but I ended up getting some of them. He, a Sagittarius lawyer with a H1 Pluto, tr Pluto cj his H5 Saturn, Sun and Vertex, H8 Mars in Pisces, strung our divorce out for 3 yrs and stopped coming to the court proceedings, so we had to proceed as if he were dead. Six months after our divorce was final he died suddenly of an embolism. I found out from the IRS, who had contacted me to pay $100,000 of his taxes, both a huge shock, which I thankfully ended up not having to pay.

My looks did end up changing as I had to cut out visits to the salon and I didn't eat very much. So I went down to a perfect size 6 and my hair grew long. I thought I was too old to wear long hair, but then I started getting carded when I'd go to the store to buy wine. This happened many, many times. I attracted many suitors. I think Pluto does make you more attractive and magnetic for some reason, part of the transformational process, knights in shining armor wanting to rescue the damsel in distress.

Despite everything I went through, I felt I received lots of protection from the Universe starting from day 1. I'm glad that I had a belief system in place before this transit, and that belief system was the one thing I had that I did not lose, and the Universe responded to me with love every step of the way. Many absolutely amazing things happened. It was truly like the best of times (on a spiritual level), and the worst of times (emotionally and materially).

Right now tr Pluto is trining my natal Jupiter, then back to natal Pluto. 8 yrs later, much of my life has been restored, but I have lost my naivete. I'm a survivor. The lessons I've learned have gone cellular. If I do remarry, I'll be very, very careful with my finances and keep things separate. Little things that used to annoy me no longer bother me. I know what I'm truly capable of when the chips are down and know that no one is ever really alone. I know what my greatest asset is. This has been a transit on a soul level, and Pluto is only 1/2 way through H1. I'm enjoying this time in my life now, and looking forward to tr Pluto and Jupiter trining natal Pluto and Jupiter. Pluto won't oppose or square anything in my chart for several years.

AqMoon

[wilsontc]

Aquarius,

Thanks for the compliment! :) And for giving such a great example of "living astrology", showing how Pluto energy works itself out in our lives.

Thankfully,

Tim

[AquariusMoon]

Thanks, Tim :) I hope it's helpful in some way to someone.

Hey, Amazon, when Saturn was opp Pluto - fun times - not!

Your Asc is cj my NNode, 8 Sag, which is cj Antares. Your Sun also opposes your Asc as does my Sun opp my NNode, cj Aldeberan. Perhaps being cj those fixed stars had something to do with the transit being so extra nasty. What do you think about that in relation to your transit (if you're still around)? Antares, which also cj'd my husband's Sun, the definition sounds very warriorlike to me, but is said to be a fortunate fixed star, and Aldeberan sounds super, but is said to be unfortunate.

Any comments anyone?

Well, like all Pluto and/or nodal transits, it certainly was very karmic to say the least.

AqMoon

[Francesca]

I have Capricorn in the 5th house,and in looking forward to Pluto in Capricorn, I am developing a fear that my only daughter might die. I realize this is an extreme possibility, but Pluto will be conjuncting my Lilith and opposing my Cancer sun,moon,mercury and venus. What are the chances, realistically? If no one is comfortable with that question, have you any insights on this type of Pluto transit in general? Thanks

[AquariusMoon]

http://members.aol.com/metafizz/meta11.htm

The above is an article I like a lot called, "Through a Pluto Transit Darkly (Dealing with Transit Anxiety)," that I would like to share with you.

Outer planet transits can be much feared ones, especially Pluto transits. I think this is to be expected because no one likes change that is initiated without conscious choice, much less transformation. Our imaginations can run wild anticipating what Pluto will bring.

Keep in mind, though, that more often than not the transformation is for the better in some way. In my above case it was better for me that I went through that divorce and saw my ex-husband for who he was, dark side and all, rather than if we had stayed together and I remained oblivious, since he was going to die anyway. It was easier for me to move forward that way. I didn't have to deal with his unfinished business, tie up loose ends at his office. That would've been very stressful. All in all, I think the Pluto transit ended up being much to my benefit, especially psychologically.

AqMoon

[Alice]

Hi AqMoon :)

I reach for another glass of wine as I prepare to talk about my pluto conjunct Asc transit some 15 years ago...

I'm an only adopted child who never really clicked with her adoptive parents. My father was angry and violent (although never sexually abusive or anything) and my mother, a Scorpio, is simply someone I've never felt I can trust. So I began to run from them as soon as was old enough. I've never felt I could cut the ties (I'd like to often though) but then again I've never wanted to be anywhere near them and so at 19 I came to London. By the time I was 25 I was doing okay - living with a rich boyfriend in an exclusive part of town, studying (albeit late) for a degree and feeling like I was just about to settle in life.

Almost like a witch in a fairy story, my adoptive mother called on my 25th birthday to say that she had tracked down my natural mother (using the telephone book) and that she had sent photos and given her my number. All without my knowledge. I was so shocked that I fell backwards, and I remember that for some reason I sat in the bath for ages and ages. The next day, my real mother called me up and we spent hours on the phone talking non stop. I suppose I could have said 'no - I don't want to do this this way - I need time', but I was too bowled over.

One thing lead to another and I ended up going to Devon to meet my natural mothers family, and going to South Africa to meet my natural father and his family.

Initially it was so exciting. But there was also something wrong. I rushed into changing my surname (I changed it to my natural fathers' - later I also changed my christian name) and I wanted to destroy everything from my past. I burnt anything with my old name on it (including my birth certificate) and I became very preoccupied with wanting to live in South Africa.

My relationship suffered and ended because of it, I did move to South Africa but was hopeless at being able to look after myself, my life seemed to spiral out of control and I ended up returning to my adoptive parents, returning to London, returning to education (to do an MA) and then jobless and alone at the age of 30. None of the 'new' family connections lasted. I think that for some of them, I was just a matter of curiosity, for others, I was obviously too much to cope with, I had nothing in common with some and I probably (overall) seemed scarily unstable.

Things did right themselves to some extent (I met the man I'm still married to at 31) and am now self employed, but I've never completely recovered from that five year period where I seemed to lose myself and my sense of reality completly.

Family relationships never mended and I decided against having my own. I'm still unsure of who or what I am - maybe when Pluto finishes with me once and for all when it makes its final transit over my moon later this year. Maybe I'll finally feel more settled - I really hope so.

Certainly I now feel like another upheaval is coming - hence my panicky posts (probably).

I definitely feel I've experienced the 'death' involved in a Pluto transit, but not entirely sure about the transformation and healing :(

Anyways. That's my experience of Pluto - a git of a planet...

[Arian Maverick]

This is a fascinating story, Alice, though now I'm a bit concerned of the affect transiting Pluto will have on my Midheaven...

Arian Maverick

[pisceskitty]

Greetings,

What is the feeling when transiting Pluto sextiles the Asc.? I am currently experiencing this at the moment.

[Arian Maverick]

What is the feeling when transiting Pluto sextiles the Asc.? I am currently experiencing this at the moment.

According to Pluto Transits (http://www.cafeastrology.com/plutotransits.html) from Cafe Astrology (http://www.cafeastrology.com/)...

Pluto Transits Sextile Ascendant

*This is a positive time when you express your deepest feelings openly and intensely. You seek intensity in your life and in your relationships, and you become more aware of hidden sides of your personality, untapped talents and interests, and also emotional blocks or confusions. Underlying motives come to the surface and relationships become deeper and more meaningful.

*You express great intensity and passion in the way you appear and express yourself to others. You almost transfix those who meet you with your fixedness and sense of power.

Arian Maverick

[pisceskitty]

:eek: Wow! little 'ol me? that was amazing. i have been feeling alot more intense lately. Not in a negative way. I have always been somewhat of a shy person. I have alot of water in my chart, and I tend to become overwhelmed by [I]everything[I]! I feel more prepared to deal with certain things that will be coming my way. I'm still a little nervous as far as my personal life in goes. I am almost sure I will be ok.

[Amazon1963]

Thanks, Tim :) I hope it's helpful in some way to someone.

Hey, Amazon, when Saturn was opp Pluto - fun times - not!

Your Asc is cj my NNode, 8 Sag, which is cj Antares. Your Sun also opposes your Asc as does my Sun opp my NNode, cj Aldeberan. Perhaps being cj those fixed stars had something to do with the transit being so extra nasty. What do you think about that in relation to your transit (if you're still around)? Antares, which also cj'd my husband's Sun, the definition sounds very warriorlike to me, but is said to be a fortunate fixed star, and Aldeberan sounds super, but is said to be unfortunate.

Any comments anyone?

Well, like all Pluto and/or nodal transits, it certainly was very karmic to say the least.

AqMoon

AqMoon,
Hey, thanks for the interesting article and your input on the Pluto transits thread!

I honestly hadn't taken any of the conj's or other aspects into consideration with the Pluto transits when I started the thread initially. I have never had the opportunity to study astrology formally so most of my knowledge is gleaned from self directed study in books or online.

The last six months have been beyond busy for me with duties to both career and family (I think it might be due to trans nodes), either that or just plain old middle age and the whole sandwich generation thing. This Amazon does not have enough time for herself! I do apologize for the late reply to your posting, AqMoon.

Ok, some novice questions: approximately when was the transit of Saturn opp Pluto? Was that just a general transit or unique to our natal charts? I will tell you from around late 1994 up until this last year, nothing has been stable and certainly has been in upheaval no matter the constructive efforts put forth by myself. Late 94 thru 96 were some of the worst! Divorce, financial upheaval, name it, it was there. Even managed to get arrested and broke my left foot in 5 places (not on the same day tho!)...it was just a crazed time and no matter what I strived to do or accomplish, it was one thing after another after another. I dont know if this would have been around the time of the conj that you wrote of. Also, from mid fall 2002 up until around the beginning of this year, many things were again, in upheaval.

I wasnt aware that my sun opp my asc, never seen that in my chart. I knew my sun sq'd my midheaven Might as well sq the asc with all the inner challenges that go on....You know the T-shirts that say "You wouldnt be smiling if you knew what I was thinking", ya well its a maelstrom in here...

Now, astrology aside, I do see a direct correllation in what one chooses in life vs what transits are triggering in the individual's life. Hindsight is always the perfect vision of 20/20 isnt it, AqMoon? Somehow, even back 10 years ago had I known about transits and astrology, I would have most likely made some, not all, but some of the same poor choices I made then. Ego is a strong monster/motivator if we allow it to rule our decisions. Emotional maturity is the wisdom gained from those experiences. I like the idea of Western astrology being about free will and choice regardless of the transits or natal aspects. If I ***** up? I own it, deal with it, and move on to the next moment in time. Reads to me, AqMoon, that you too, are on the same track, applause to you!

I still have the transit of Pluto sq Moon going on...and ohhh hasnt it been enlightening for me! Soon, in October, Saturn square Saturn! Woohoo, cant wait! There are lots of other very positive transits going on as well and I am due for a bit of a break anyhow (I need to quit using the term, 'break' because I broke the 4th toe on my right foot about 3 weeks ago!). Then in a few years, Pluto moves on to my 2nd house for a nice long visit. I am making preparations now for the inevitable visit!

AqMoon wrote:
Perhaps being cj those fixed stars had something to do with the transit being so extra nasty. What do you think about that in relation to your transit

Fixed stars are still vague for me in terms of interpreting my natal chart placement and their transiting aspects; unfortunately for me I am unfamiliar with both Antares and Aldebaren. I had found some sites but they vary wildly in the interpretation. Lilith, for an example, yikes...lets just push my natal interpretation waaaaaay back down inside and not let her out! So, I dont have a reply for the question, sorry!

AqMoon, I am glad you learned from your Pluto transit and continue to do so. We are the sum of our own experiences and it appears you have gained much wisdom from the experience. Its just a shame that sometimes loss(s) play a heavy role in the experiences. Hey, maybe it wasnt really loss, so much as excess baggage we were carrying around for all the wrong reasons!

Again, I apologize the long period of non-response to your post, AqMoon.

Amazon1963

[23]

This is a fascinating story, Alice, though now I'm a bit concerned of the affect transiting Pluto will have on my Midheaven...

Arian Maverick

Yes me too, I have Cap 16 deg MC and I am very curious as to what will happen. This should be the prime of my career- hopefully it will enhance it. Also then after that, I have to deal with conj pluto to natal sun/merc.

Any info re trans pluto conj MC?

[23]

From http://www.astroprofile.com/celastropdf/Banderas3moProgressAst.PDF

... Pluto Conjunct MC Transit ...
A deep inner change affecting your career goals and the way you set about fulfilling them. A time of intense mental and psychological change, during which you see how your inner self works. A mental transformation.

[23]

I'm scared :(

From http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/sun-cj-pluto.html

Transiting Sun conjunct your natal Pluto. During this time your focus turns to issues related to power. You may have to confront someone who is interfering with your life or who is trying to suppress your ambitions. Or on another level, you may run into an underworld element where you run into questionable or shady characters. This combination represents possible encounters with powerful, but not necessarily ethical individuals. On another level, whatever you do at this time will tend to be more intense and more deeply thought out than usual.

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[Alice]

Um...Pluto transiting moon?

[tikana]

hey

i HAVE been going through Pluto ruler of my sun/moon/IC squaring my 2nd house venus for about 2 years .. another few months of this .. so far NOTHING.. absolutely freaking NOTHING.

BTW, it is transiting my 5th house

what gives?

thanks
Tik

[23]

So pluto is in the 5th (sag) transiting and all the other stuff is where? Sorry, not quite following as I know you are a scorp.

However with it going through your 5th, there should at least be a dramatic change in romance and maybe pleasures/hobbies in your life?

[AquariusMoon]

Hi, All! Looks like I've missed a lot on this thread and will come back when I have more time, but I found this discussion on Missing Manifestations in my Favorites for you, Tik. When I saw it a while ago, I thought of you because I know you have this complaint. For myself, I've seen transits manifest at different times, applying, conjunct or separating.

What transit do you attribute the situation with your ex and his shady friend to? Maybe you can or do keep a journal and can track the transits.

http://members.tripod.com/~junojuno2/missing.htm

Also, this article tells how the different elements, etc., deal with transits:

http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/blurb.php?pn=J164&type=Excerpt

Hope this helps,
AqMoon

[pisceskitty]

What usually happens when transiting Pluto conjuncts the IC? what can one expect from a transit like that? When Pluto goes into Capricorn, i'm going to be a little worried. I have Capricorn ru;ing my IC, so does my son! I also have mars in Capricorn in the 3rd/4th.

[23]

I'd say there will be deep and far-fetching changes both in your home and the self of yours that you only expose to your family and those who are close. It will probably give you a chance to "die" and regenerate and a new and better you inside will come. Also will allow you to "see through" things to do with at home and your personality and have insight. Your son will have the same things happen to him. So I guess an alteration of relationship between you.

[pisceskitty]

:eek: alteration? God, please don't let anything bad happen between me and my child. I really regret asking this question. I feel really scared, and depressed right now.

[23]

:eek: alteration? God, please don't let anything bad happen between me and my child. I really regret asking this question. I feel really scared, and depressed right now.

No, I think you read it wrongly :)
What I mean by that is that maybe this transit, since it involves pluto and would be long means maybe just a change in relationship because of your son growing up and there might be a regeneration of the relationship and the relationship will evolve. I don't say that there will be a falling out as such and losing each other. This could also apply to anyone else you are very close with and you show your IC nature too. It might also mean a change in living structure, maybe moving, adding more people, analysing the relationships you have etc. Just indicates a change of some sorts with your innner being or your home life.

[FlyAway]

Does anyone has experience with transiting Pluto squaring natal Pluto?
That seems to be a though transit that lasts about two years.
I'm in the midst of it although the real fun starts at the beginning of 2007.

This is one of life's challenging transits during which you are forced to reassess your past and discard any outmoded patterns which have been standing in your way. It is sometimes said to be one of the mid-life crises during which you are motivated to clear out old deeply-entrenched patterns and habits. It is a time to re-evaluate your deepest motivations and feelings. You may become more wilful, driven by deeper urges to make your life conform to your innermost desires and ambitions. You are forced out of any ruts. Pluto's energy can sometimes be ruthless and so you may feel some pain in the process of letting go and stepping out of your comfort zone. However, the process is regenerating and you will feel better able to tackle the rest of your life with the renewed vigour that comes from a lighter load. This is particularly true if you can ensure that your willpower is aligned with integrity and true spiritual purpose rather than personal, selfish desires.

This is actually not new to me because my chart is full of Scorpio energy.
I've been re-evalutating all of my life ;)
I wonder how others changed their lives during this transit and were it good changes in the end?

[AquariusMoon]

Sag 8 degrees rising here...Pluto transiting my 1st house since around 1995. Squares and oppositions: Pluto opposition Sun; Pluto square Moon; Uranus opposition Pluto, etc and so on...I dont have the author of the following...this is from early notes I made on transits:

Pluto: Pluto symbolises complete change and transformation ~ not suddenly like Uranus but slowly, profoundly and with a focus on the very depths of our beings. It brings strength and intensity to whichever area of our lives it touches. Pluto transits question the central tenets on which we have built our existence and why we behave in the ways that we do. They bring hidden psychological baggage to the surface ~ allowing us to review and to rebuild matters from a fundamental standpoint. Outmoded yet deeply conditioned psychological and emotional responses are frequently notable candidates for such.

Pluto transits often confront us with highly sensitive topics which we would rather ignore, so it's effects can be very difficult whilst we are working through them. Issues of control, manipulation, jealousy, possessiveness, dominance and power are frequent. This planet can engender a very ruthless response, so attitudes which take no account of the feelings of others should certainly be avoided. It's entry into a house is often associated with destruction and with decay, yet in time a new order will arise providing that Pluto's essential challenges are squarely addressed.

Inappropriate resistance will generally prove useless anyway. It will usually only serve to extend and to prolong this planet's more difficult effects!

PLUTO TRANSITING YOUR 1ST HOUSE (approx. 14-30 years duration)
During this period you may desire increased personal power and physical invulnerability. You may transform your personal appearance and personal expression several times. You may increase your will power, self-confidence, and personal resourcefulness through physical or competitive activities. Through stages of self-improvement you cast off your vulnerable or threatened self- image and assume a stronger, more autonomous persona.

10 years of having Pluto transiting my 1st house has resulted in an 'armed truce' with the planet. I might add its effects on my psyche, reactions, feelings and perspective have been profound (thats putting it mildly :roll: ). As a side note, it was during this time that I earned the nickname, Amazon. Yep, friends and family really do call me Amazon.

The power issues in my personal life have been about 'others', specifically their attempts to manipulate, exert control or to totally dominate me and my reactions to their efforts. I would also like to note that if you ever have to deal with some of the oppositions and squares that I have had in the last 2-3 years and are still occurring presently in my chart...May all the blessings of the universe fill you with more patience for others and yourself than you ever thought possible. Cuz yer gonna need lots of patience...

Interestingly, over the past six days or so, I have been pondering this very subject and reviewing journal entries. Had a great 'aha' moment too...I took a special work assignment in another state 2 years ago to 'get away' from what I thought at the time was dysfunctional family dynamic.

LOL! Guess what I learned? You might move or remove yourself from what you may perceive as the source, but your transits chase you regardless!! In the new state I found the same Pluto issues just with different people. At the time I was unaware of natal charts or transits and have now become aware. So it was actually the energies and reactions I carried within myself that brought out issues in another location.

You cannot change people or events. But you can change how you react to them, positively or negatively. You can change your thoughts not theirs. One of the most important lessons I have learned since Pluto came to visit my 1st house.

So, this Amazon keeps her plutonian charged arrows of assertion lightly sheathed, chooses her battles wisely, welcomes the challenge of introspection and personal growth, follows her own path regardless of what others would attempt to dominate, and realizes that a little bit of Pluto goes a very long way.

Hi, Amazon, Alice :) Great posts!

Amazon, I like your interpretation of tr Pluto in H1.

Does your Sun opp your Asc? I haven't seen your chart, so I don't know. Perhaps I misread your post, so the fixed stars may not apply to you. You'd have to check out your fixed stars to see how they affect you if at all. Mine are some of the strongest fixed stars and on an angle cj the Sun and nodes, so they make their presence known, and they're very beneficial most of the time.

Tr Saturn at 12 Gemini opp'd tr Pluto at 12 Sagittarius in late July 2001 and in May 2002 at 16 Gemini and Sagittarius. It affected anyone who had planets, house cusps or points that aspected these transits. It affected Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces by conjunction, square or opposition if they had planets aspecting the degrees held by tr Pluto and tr Saturn. There were also eclipses in Gem/Sag from 2001-2003. Now the eclipses are in Virgo/Pisces squaring Pluto, one in March and one in September. So Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces have been getting a real workout for years between Pluto and the eclipses, especially people with these signs on angles.

One thing to remember, Pisces Kitty, is that Pluto brings good things too. My husband had tr Pluto in his H4, and he grew really nice plants. Pluto rules things underground, you know. We moved a lot, but each move was better and better. Outer planet transits to the Moon or H4 always relate to moving, the home.

I gave a link earlier, on p. 4, to an essay about fearing upcoming transits, and that's a natural reaction to the outer planet transits, that or denial. But if you can overcome your fear by facing things head on, you'll probably do better with the transit. Read about tr Pluto in H4, get a pro reading, get familiar with how this transit could affect you so you'll be better prepared. At least that's what I do now because I think if I'd been into astrology when I had my hard transit, the outcome would've been much better for me materially. I found that being ignorant about a Pluto transit, fighting a Pluto transit or being in denial about a Pluto transit only makes it harder.

Also keep in mind that your Pluto transit isn't going to be the same as someone else's. There's really no way for someone to predict every little thing that is going to happen or not happen when it comes to Pluto, you can only generalize, but that is helpful so that you can nip it in the bud instead of dragging things out if you see something starting that you identify with the negative interpretations of the transit.

AqMoon

[cj*]

Does anyone has experience with transiting Pluto squaring natal Pluto?

Yes, this happened to me a few years ago and after that T pluto squared my N mars, hugh.

Tr Saturn at 12 Gemini opp'd tr Pluto at 12 Sagittarius in late July 2001 and in May 2002 at 16 Gemini and Sagittarius. It affected anyone who had planets, house cusps or points that aspected these transits. It affected Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces by conjunction, square or opposition if they had planets aspecting the degrees held by tr Pluto and tr Saturn. There were also eclipses in Gem/Sag from 2001-2003. Now the eclipses are in Virgo/Pisces squaring Pluto, one in March and one in September. So Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces have been getting a real workout for years between Pluto and the eclipses, especially people with these signs on angles.

This was me also, ASC 14 deg Gem, N pluto 10 deg Virgo, N mars 19 deg virgo both in the 4th. During this time period my father died, my husband's ex decided she didn't want the kids to live with her anymore and sent all 4 of them to live with us (after 1 year of marriage). This resulted in money problems and not to mention the manipulative power plays that snuck in through my teenage stepdaughter playing daddy against me and almost breaking up our marriage.

During this time period I had T saturn in the 12th/1st and T pluto in the 7th. After this was over I got a douse of saturn conj my cancer sun and progressed asc/cancer with T pluto inconjunct. Is it over yet, no, now T saturn is conj my ic will oppose my N staurn and conjunct my progressed leo sun......when will it stop.

[5th house moon]

Hi there

This is an interesting thread- thanks for sharing your stories.

I currently have transiting Pluto squaring my natal pluto in 3rd AND conjuncting my 6th house sun.

With regards to the natal pluto square, my relationships with my siblings has intensified (in a good way). My writing style has changed somewhat - I am much more particular about the was I correspond in my professional life. Two friends have commented on my clam-like manner and how difficult it is to get information out of me (!) - perhaps the Pluto/Scorpio influence. I don't think I've always been that way.

Robert Hand's interpretation of Tr Pluto Sq Pluto is as follows:

"This is a period of general regeneration, which may not be entirely pleasant. Most of us are attached to the past whether or not it is good for us. And this influence will root out precisely those elements of the past that are not good for you, even those aspects that you have forgotten about. Problems that you may have lost track of entirely but which are still working unconsciously in your life may reappear and become active now, usually but not always to your detriment.
This influence is associated with forces for change that are inherent within the hidden depths of things. Therefore you should not blame the unpleasant changes that occur now on circumstances or persons in your environment. Look within yourself to see how the groundwork for the present is laid in the past.

Many things may be destroyed at this time, and the destruction will be ruthless if you defend them with rigidity. The action of this influence upon unyielding entities is particularly harsh. Therefore you should simply allow the things of the past to fade and allow the future to be born on their ruins. If you can do this, the potential for positive change is very great.

This influence may also increase your concern about the creative and regenerative processes within the universe and cause you to become interested in the occult. However, certain aspects of the occult, such as magic, are best avoided during this time, because the energies involved will be difficult to control now. Although your conscious mind may be in control at first, you are likely to find that entirely unconscious forces within you have taken over and are running you completely. This can have disastrous consequences.

You may also get into severe power struggles with people who are trying to prevent the changes in your life or who are trying to expedite changes that you are resisting. Look very carefully to ascertain which category they are in."

[FlyAway]

Thanks for this article :)

I'm a little bit concerned about this transit, because it goes really really deep.
But it also could be an opportunity to change what needs to be changed,
and to let go what is no longer necessary in my life.
Somehow I think I've been doing this all of my life, so perhaps I'm more prepared.
At least I hope so.
I guess it's time for some rigorous self-therapy, which can be healthy from time to time.
In one year and a half we'll see how I did manage ;)

[AquariusMoon]

Does anyone has experience with transiting Pluto squaring natal Pluto?
That seems to be a though transit that lasts about two years.
I'm in the midst of it although the real fun starts at the beginning of 2007.



This is actually not new to me because my chart is full of Scorpio energy.
I've been re-evalutating all of my life ;)
I wonder how others changed their lives during this transit and were it good changes in the end?

My ex-husband and I had this transit together, again on the angles, again with eclipses.

Him - tr Pluto in H4 cj natal NNode in Scorpio with an eclipse to the Pluto and NNode square natal H1 Pluto in Virgo.

Me - tr Pluto in H12 sq natal Pluto in H8 cj natal Jupiter with an eclipse to my H6 Sun and SNode, which opposed my Asc and NNode and which opposed his Sun/Saturn/Vertex.

He woke up one morning with a stiff neck (SNode Taurus). He went to his regular chiropractor who accidentally broke his neck, just a small bone, but it paralyzed his arm and hand. He had a very delicate emergency surgery going through his throat, which they said there was a chance he would lose his voice in the surgery, but everything went perfectly and the feeling was restored in his arm and hand. He had always been a workaholic. He told me that as he was being wheeled into surgery he was thinking about his workaholism and how he now regretted it, and how this also affected me. Before we were married I was a big skier, and I never got to go since we were married because he worked all the time and he didn't want me to go without him.

Also at this time he and his business partner had decided to call it quits, and sued each other to dissolve the partnership. His partner started playing hardball when he found out about my husband's broken neck, and he scheduled all kinds of hearings and court dates for the time of my husband's recovery, which made things very hard for my husband. Also, the assets were frozen for 6 months, so we had to use all of my resources.

Now for the good news - a few months later all the bad stuff was over and we ended up getting a lot of money. My husband, who had never been to the mountains, surprised me with a weekend cabin in the local mountains of my choice and a new SUV. I had a ski pass for many years. He completely changed his attitude about work, and became a weekend forest ranger, which he loved. In fact, he considered doing it full time, he loved it so much. A few years later we ended up moving there full time, and I quit work and skied to my heart's content and had a lot of fun.

I think with Pluto you get as much or as little as you need. It took a lot to get my husband to balance his H4/10, but even though he had to go through a lot of suffering, in the end he was a very happy and balanced person.

http://rahelio.homestead.com/Astro_Shamanism.html
I like this link. I think it fits with a harsh Pluto transit when a part of your life is being transformed.

AqMoon

[zohra]

i bring you my experiences, when pluton transited to MC, i saw a drastic changes in my life. my relationship of 18 years collapse after catching the infidelity (pluton square moon/ saturn conjunct moon), at the same time I lost my job, while trying to deal with all, I ended up fighting in the court for my children care. And while all those issues were putting great weight on my shoulder, I needed to fight for my family home which I invested but did not have my name on the deed. 1 year after, i am just resolving to buy back my house, now I have behind me all creditors trying to recoup their money.
6 months after....... my work contract is ending next week, yet there is also a transformation whether I like or not and now more risky as I just signed the house transfer with my solicitor. hence need to get a job quick

From september to december I will have pluton R MC square Pluton R NT (pluton ruler of 8 house scorpio) in the natal it is positioned M6/M7 natal. What to expect, i guess transformation the way i relate to others, as Pluto is au MC and in relation to work...


than 2007 Pluton square ascendant well wait and see, than end of of year conjunct MC Natal.

2005 to date has been tuff but unbelievable to have let go so many things behind, challenging and uncontrollable. Whether I resisted those changes, I had no choices than to accept the status quo!!!!

[pisceskitty]

These stories are amazing, and very helpful! I also have my North Node in Capricorn @14 deg.[in the 3rd house] My son's Capricorn IC is @ 15 deg!!:eek:

[pleiade]

Pluto is feared by most people, and truthfully so - it can be nasty if an unresolved plutonian person is enacting it's fierceness on you. And why would he pick you? You're not a plutonian and so you be confident, grounded and patient. Plutonians are / can be, incrediably insecure and that is why they target nice people with a deeper understanding. They will derrive energy from you as they basically feel powerless and unworthy themselves. Then they end up self-hating and self-loathing and that energy simmers till seething heights before it unleashes it's nuclear explosion...!

More so with Pluto - as with individuals which once feared Saturn, once you get along with it's inner transformational state - Pluto is the Greatest Healer of all planets. And the healing is instant! It's the miracle called: Remission.
Anyone that will tune into Pluto's amazing healing qualities know how dramtic and accurate they are! Some people take advantage of they're transit and become hypno therapists, surgeons, counsellors.. healers...... Using Pluto for good is an extreme gift!

Karen

[pisceskitty]

Thank you Karen!

Your post was really comforting. I do fear Pluto. I just always worry that someone close to me will die[my Grandmother did, last September]again, so i find myself worrying alot, especially in regards to my son. Whenever I think of Pluto I just think the "end of the world"!

[cossie]

Hi,
Im really enjoying reading through this thread.
I have my ascendant at 8 Capricorn and N.Node at 5 Capricorn so expecting some Pluto effects there in the future.Of course this means that Pluto is currently transiting my 12th house and over the last few years have definately felt some effects. I dont really know how best to describe it but at times it feels kinda like a giant vacuum cleaner sucking out the entire contents of my closet.Sometimes I feel like Im drowning,nothing is clear,I cant focus,I feel depressed and then after sometime I come out of the depression and feel renewed.
The effects of Pluto being in the sign of Sagittarius have made their mark on my life.In the past few years I have met and married a man from another country,I have settled with him and I am now living on the other side of the world to where I was born,in a completely different culture and religion and have integrated into a totally different lifestyle and community.None of this was planned,I just followed my gut feeling and read the signs the universe was sending me and trust that all this is happening to me for a reason.It hasnt been easy,but even at the times when Ive doubted myself I have always felt that it was all meant to be and there is no turning back.
I cant imagine what is in store for me as Pluto continues transiting through my 12th house towards my ascendant.
Any thoughts or similar experiences would really help me.
My thoughts are with anyone who is feeling pluto effects,they arent easy but reading and sharing our stories will help a great deal I feel.

[FLOWER]

hi, when a slow moving planet enters a house that is when a happening tends to happen in a persons life. quess what house this is..1. i had a problem with the sewerage in a property i own. 2. a cousin of mine died alone without any other memeber of the family knowing (in silence).3. a divorce in the family.4. death of an aunt. just for the new members this is pluto enering the fourth house. how much more of this before things settle down.

[AquariusMoon]

Pluto is feared by most people, and truthfully so - it can be nasty if an unresolved plutonian person is enacting it's fierceness on you. And why would he pick you? You're not a plutonian and so you be confident, grounded and patient. Plutonians are / can be, incrediably insecure and that is why they target nice people with a deeper understanding. They will derrive energy from you as they basically feel powerless and unworthy themselves. Then they end up self-hating and self-loathing and that energy simmers till seething heights before it unleashes it's nuclear explosion...!

More so with Pluto - as with individuals which once feared Saturn, once you get along with it's inner transformational state - Pluto is the Greatest Healer of all planets. And the healing is instant! It's the miracle called: Remission.
Anyone that will tune into Pluto's amazing healing qualities know how dramtic and accurate they are! Some people take advantage of they're transit and become hypno therapists, surgeons, counsellors.. healers...... Using Pluto for good is an extreme gift!

Karen

Hi, Karen. "A Plutonian enacting its fierceness on you" sounds like you're describing a transit involving an opposition with tr Pluto. In that case I think people either send out the Plutonian energy, or they receive it, but either way there is negotiation that needs to take place, a balance, a meeting in the middle. The only problem is the other person might lack flexibility and there may be some manipulation involved, but by the end of the transit you'll be good at working with this type of energy.

Becoming a hypnotherapist during a Pluto transit sounds like tr Pluto in H12 or perhaps cj Neptune. A Pluto transit will be different for each person depending on which house tr Pluto is in, which house natal Pluto is in, and the aspects that Pluto is making, both natally and by transit, to the afflicted natal planet or angle that Pluto is transiting. That is unless, of course, two people were born at about the same time and are at the same place when the Pluto transit strikes, then they may get the exact same Pluto transit (example below). Most people get tr Pluto going over their natal planet or angle 3 times over 3 years. Pluto is supposed to transform the house that it's in.

The link below has a lot of keywords about Pluto in different houses, and how to work with Pluto going from retrograde to direct. When Pluto goes retrograde you get a bit of a break to regroup and plan and make necessary changes. Then when Pluto goes direct and goes back over your planet, if you've already made the necessary changes, then Pluto won't do it for you. That's what Eileen Nauman says anyway, and I think she's right.

http://www.medicinegarden.com/astrology/plutoDirect_080406.html

However, a lot of times with Pluto transits there is no "Plutonian" going after you. Things can just happen. Take Anna Nicole Smith and what has happened to her recently with the birth of her daughter and death of her son. There is no published birth time for her that I know of, but her natal Pluto is at 22 Virgo, her natal Uranus is at 28 Virgo and her natal Chiron is at 25 Pisces. Her natal Chiron is at about the opposite of the midpoint of natal Pluto and Uranus. All of this is squaring transiting Pluto. In addition, there was an eclipse to her natal Pluto this past March. She was 3 months pregnant then. There was an eclipse to her natal Uranus Friday. Eclipses are also like transits if they conjunct or oppose natal planets.

We don't know which houses her planets are in, but they are probably in the H5/11 axis judging from what has happened to her. This would give her either Taurus or Scorpio rising. Someone else could have the same placements, and something different would happen. It's very hard to predict what a Pluto transit is going to bring, or what a transit to your Pluto will bring. If Pluto/Uranus is in her H5, what has happened is really going to shake up her H5. The death of her son will be very wounding to her. Perhaps, if she hasn't in the past, she will focus more on her child from now on rather than entertainment/recreational activities - I don't know, perhaps she was a fine mother - but Pluto does bring a transformation in whichever house it's in. She's not a favorite of mine, but my heart certainly goes out to her. To have her son taken from her this way seems so cruel, but a Pluto transit can be very complex and you can't really judge it until sometimes a few years after the transit has passed when you have the complete picture. There are accidents in life, but there are few true accidents when it comes to death. This new baby has the potential to make it easier for her to deal with her son's death and move forward.

Back to tr Pluto in H12 or cj Neptune. This is what happened to me. I didn't become a hypnotherapist with this transit. I was 26. When tr Pluto in Libra was cj my natal H10 Neptune in Libra, which natal Neptune sextiles natal Pluto and Jupiter in Leo, I was almost kidnapped while I was on vacation. I had rented a small boat with a few girl friends, and we were just bobbing around off the coast of a Greek island. We saw a yacht in the harbor, a small boat being lowered from the yacht into the sea, and we watched it come over to us. There were 5 men in the boat, and they said nothing, but they attached our boat to theirs and took off. The added weight of our boat made theirs go slowly.

In the meantime, the owner of my rental boat saw this from the shore and got in his speed boat, caught up to us, and beat the daylights out of the kidnappers with his oar, and the guys untied our boat and took off. My natal Pluto is in H8, Scorpio rules H12, and I have Saturn in Scorpio in H12. Tr Uranus was cj natal Saturn. There had been an eclipse to natal Uranus. Natal Saturn trines natal Uranus. I don't personally know anyone else this has happened to other than the 2 women with me, one of which was born 6 days after me.

At the time, my friends and I had no idea why this had happened. We were so naieve. The only thing we could think of was that they wanted us to come to a party on their yacht, but we wondered why they didn't ask. It wasn't until I saw a movie on tv last year that I figured out what was going on that day. I mean, this yacht was huge. With Neptune and Pluto things may not be what they first appear to be. A beautiful yacht may hold some ugly secrets. My friend and I both happen to have the natal cj of Jupiter and Pluto sextile Neptune, so we lucked out that we were rescued.

My point is that like me, someone may have a Pluto transit and not even know it, or not be able to figure it out for years. Pluto wears a special helmet that makes him invisible, which was how he kidnapped Persephone and took her to the Underworld.

AqMoon

[Francesca]

This summer Saturn traveled through my 12th conjuncting my natal Pluto/Saturn conjunction. Major psychological/emotional changes. Pluto has been transiting my intercepted 4th house, opposing my natal Uranus for some time now. Pluto was also very prominent in my soalr return this year.

I feel I am perhaps leaving a 10 year depression at this time, but continue to suffer a good deal over a past Plutonian love affair. Maybe when Pluto goes into Capricorn it will complete "the end of things" reputation of the 4th house. I certainly hope so.

Except for the pain of my past romantic obsession, I rather like Pluto. It's traits seem to suit me. I love to follow a piece of information or an idea until I feel I have fully explored it (Jupiter in Scorpio square Pluto in Leo). My taste in movies,books,and TV shows is very Plutonian. I love mystery/detective stories,war stories, the Sopranos, medical research documentaries, anything spooky.

I am very proud and have a high temper, never forgetting a grievance. I can feel hatred rather fully and for a long time. Pluto is exactly opposed to my progressed Uranus right now, as well as still being opposed to natal Uranus by a few degrees. I have been very irritable and expressed it more.

I guess I will have to look back in a few years to really decide what these transits brought.

[AquariusMoon]

This summer Saturn traveled through my 12th conjuncting my natal Pluto/Saturn conjunction. Major psychological/emotional changes. Pluto has been transiting my intercepted 4th house, opposing my natal Uranus for some time now. Pluto was also very prominent in my soalr return this year.

I feel I am perhaps leaving a 10 year depression at this time, but continue to suffer a good deal over a past Plutonian love affair. Maybe when Pluto goes into Capricorn it will complete "the end of things" reputation of the 4th house. I certainly hope so.

Except for the pain of my past romantic obsession, I rather like Pluto. It's traits seem to suit me. I love to follow a piece of information or an idea until I feel I have fully explored it (Jupiter in Scorpio square Pluto in Leo). My taste in movies,books,and TV shows is very Plutonian. I love mystery/detective stories,war stories, the Sopranos, medical research documentaries, anything spooky.

I am very proud and have a high temper, never forgetting a grievance. I can feel hatred rather fully and for a long time. Pluto is exactly opposed to my progressed Uranus right now, as well as still being opposed to natal Uranus by a few degrees. I have been very irritable and expressed it more.

I guess I will have to look back in a few years to really decide what these transits brought.

Francesca, that's great that Pluto is moving out of the opposition to your natal Uranus, but, yeah, I agree that its effects can be felt even a few degrees after separating. It's also trining your H12 Part of Fortune right now. Anything good happening? Later this year it's going to square the cusp of your H8 and tr Pluto will trine tr Saturn, so there just might be a transformation that will take place then that may eradicate your obsession. I do think that tr Saturn and tr Pluto have been working in conjunction with each other, though in different houses. H4 relates to the Moon and Cancer, memories. Pluto going through H4 will bring up old memories sort of like a Pluto/Moon transit. Saturn in H12 cj natal Pluto/Saturn, I imagine that was depressing to say the least. Being so aware of your obsession and wanting to get rid of it are certainly good steps in that direction. Many aren't even aware of their obsessions or have no desire to leave them behind though you do embrace your Pluto, warts and all. You accept yourself for who you are and are comfortable in your own skin. I think that's really great :)

AqMoon

[pisceskitty]

Wow:eek:

Pleiade your post was amazing! I was born with Pluto in the 12H square my Moon in the 9th. Transiting Pluto opposed my moon, and my beloved grandmother who raised me, died suddenly. There were moments when I didn't think I was going to make it. All these thoughts/experiences I had deeply buried, began to surface. And, you know what?-thank god they did. I can honestly say that now. I had so much pain deep inside me, stemming from my granny's death, and intense feelings of abandonment.

I got involved with a very plutonian man around the same time all of this happened. Talk about obsessed. I hated him, and loved him at the same time. Feelings of betrayal/abandonment popped up once again. When I had to move into a women's shelter after loosing my apartment, I discovered that my mother[she's a Sagittarius] who abandoned me, and my older sister, lived right around the corner! I saw her walking down the street one day. As god is my witness, I could not believe it.

I have alot of fears about having children. That if I did, they would die, or vanish in some way. That transit of Pluto Squaring my natal Pluto in the 12H blew the lid off of alot of things. As painful as all of this has been, I feel as though a thousand pound weight has been lifted off of my back. It's funny, because my son was born with his Pluto trine his Moon, and this little rascal has taught me so much about myself as a human being and as a mother. When I was a little girl, my baby brother who was just a few days old died. It hit me pretty hard. I was about 6yrs old. My son's new half-sister, was born dead last month. It's eery how things happen. He has pluto in Sagittarius in his house of siblings!

Sorry for the long post. Transiting Pluto is Squaring my natal Mercury. I've been having deep thoughts, and thinking about death alot lately.[I was born with Pluto Opp. Mercury]

[Hades]

Pluto is feared by most people, and truthfully so - it can be nasty if an unresolved plutonian person is enacting it's fierceness on you. And why would he pick you? You're not a plutonian and so you be confident, grounded and patient. Plutonians are / can be, incrediably insecure and that is why they target nice people with a deeper understanding. They will derrive energy from you as they basically feel powerless and unworthy themselves. Then they end up self-hating and self-loathing and that energy simmers till seething heights before it unleashes it's nuclear explosion...!

More so with Pluto - as with individuals which once feared Saturn, once you get along with it's inner transformational state - Pluto is the Greatest Healer of all planets. And the healing is instant! It's the miracle called: Remission.
Anyone that will tune into Pluto's amazing healing qualities know how dramtic and accurate they are! Some people take advantage of they're transit and become hypno therapists, surgeons, counsellors.. healers...... Using Pluto for good is an extreme gift!

Karen

i was born with pluto and saturn in my first house, i hope im in tune with both of these feared planets transforming qualities. i know my psyche is intensely influenced by both.

my x-wife and i dont get along too well, she is a sagittarius, i know many sagittarians who have been impregnated by plutonian natives. if you've read the 'astrology of fate' by Liz Greene, she mentions the analagous circumstances of hades(pluto) in greek mythology and the unwanted birth he brings upon persephone. we do have a boy. my x has had some bad experiences in her life because(imo) of pluto transiting her 12th and 1st house. shes very emotional and sensitive because of her natal neptune in her first house. but i do agree that pluto is healing her through intense transformation. she is very depressed and i try to help her through it but it seems fate will bring her through it the plutonian way.........the hard way. liz greene mentions in her book "there isnt much we can do when watching someone suffer under the transit of pluto" "all we can do is show sympathy" and i do, but sometimes it seems impossible to get along with her

[cossie]

Can anyone help me understand what my future pluto transits may entail when Pluto reaches Capricorn?!
Transiting pluto is currently transiting my 12th house.
I have BML at 2'Capricorn,Saturn(my chart ruler)at 3'Cancer,N.node at 5'Capricorn and Ascendant at 8'Capricorn.
I have already described,in a previous post, some of the effects that Pluto has had whilst transiting my 12th house.I am now apprehensive about what the future may bring with having so many aspects in a short space of time around my ascendant/Descendant.
Oh and I just noticed that Pluto will square my natal 8th house Pluto at 3'Libra at the same time as it opposes my Saturn!:eek:
I think I will reread some of these posts on this thread.
Any help with these aspects would be truly appreciated.:)

[starlink]

Hi everyone! Nice one Amazone, especially now that Pluto has been demoted recently, here we can show how powerful her influence is (I think it is a "her"). My Ascendant falls in 28 degr. Scorpio and Pluto going over my ascendant about 8 or so years ago changed my life completely. I left my very dominant husband, found a new place to stay within a week, found a fulltime superjob within 2 month time where I stayed for 3 years,(after not having worked for 25 years! ( just being a spoiled mother, housewife and astrologer), found a new men within 20 days with whom I am living now for the last 8 years and whom I work for in his business, moved 4 times! and have never felt better about myself. I sometimes dont recognize myself. I always saw in my chart that strong T-square between Pluto (apex), Sun and Moon (houses 12, 9, 6) and this nice trine from Venus (ruler of my Sun) also to Pluto, but never ever used that strength before. Now I am the total opposite of who I was, (and probably the person I really was meant to be). So I am totally grateful for Pluto even though it was the toughest time of my life and the most painful. My son has has his Sun, Mercury,(both conjunct his MC) Mars and Neptune all in Saggittarius (oh boy oh boy!) and guess what he went through: 5 years of jobchanges, ,married, went to China to work for his dad and lived there for 3 years, got a babydaughter, got into a terrible mess with his totally dominant father, broke relationships with him, got into a bad accident which almost killed him, left without finding a new job because he could not stand it any longer, is back in Europe and still has not find a new job, living off his savings. Has to undergo another operation next week to remove metal plate from collarbone. I keep on telling him that this Pluto transit over all his planets and MC is the best that could have happened to him because after this, he will be a wiser, stronger more capable and even more phylosofical young man than he already is and with his Moon in Capricorn trine his Jupiter in the first house, I just know he won't give up.
Hope this also has given some insight to what Pluto transits can bring.

[cossie]

Interesting stories Starlink,yours is especially inspiring.
Ive had a lot happen during the time pluto has been in my 12th house so quite apprehensive about the future transit of my ascendant.
Your story shows how good can come out of all the changes and I love the way you describe how you found your hidden strength.
I wish your son well with his operation next week.Lets hope he too will realise the benefits of his Pluto encounter as you did,despite the pain it has caused.
Best of Luck for the future.

[starlink]

Whatever happens, just go with the flow and follow your instincts. Avoid thinking: "oh my God, look what is happening to me" because there are always worse situations (most of the time) for other people who are for example living in dreadful circumstances and on top of that they have to endure some sort of natural disaster wiping away their whole livelihood. Things like that always put life in perspective for me. And believe me, Pluto, always produces some sort of rebirth which is absolutely wonderful. Some people never get a Pluto over their Ascendents, pitty really..... Wish you all the best with your transit. Starlink

[Teddybull]

Hello Cossie,
I am currently going thru a pluto 12th house transit. However, I have natally 26 Jupiter in Sag so I am going thru a pluto transit with that too. It's really hard to define and point out what the 12th house transit has done. I started getting into eastern philosophy very deeply when it first entered my 12th. I took lessons on meditation and kriya yoga at the time. Since then, my life has been spent in MUCH introspection and am finally feeling that all this introspection is subtly changing me. I don't get angry as easy, have more compassion and forgiveness and can accept love. I realize now the true meaning of why I am here and marriage (even tho I don't quite intuitively understand it yet).

I am so happy to hear of such a successful story by Starlink. I can only imagine how wonderful that first house transit of pluto is going to be since all our psychic garbage is being transformed and the new you is ready to emerge. The first house pluto transit reminds me of the new growth after a rampant forest fire. God bless, TB

[StarrySkies]

Yes, Pluto conjuncted my sun when I was 11, and my Mercury when I was 13. And Sagittarius was in my 11th house, so when it conjuncted my sun, I had a fight with my best friend and isolated myself from my other friends. It changed my outlook on life in other matters though. And when it conjuncted Mercury, it was more intense than when I was 11. But now I'm just enjoying a relatively calm time before Pluto enters my 12th House and conjuncts my Capricorn Stellium. Fun times...:eek::p

[Claire19]

Absolutely brilliant Amazon.You have the understanding of Pluto very well. It is an influence that can be managed, recognised and co-operated with. It brings major transformations in its wake and will happen with our without our consent. We will find our inner selves wherever we go. We only project onto likely hooks and it is amazing how they will appear. We are putting out vibrations that will find like resonance from the outer world. A person may for instance personify whatever form our Pluto takes but to another person may be completely different in perception. ie. Pluto in the 6th square Moon in the 3rd, you will have the scenario you had with your siblings, neighbours and school mates in the work place and have to contend with jealousies, under handed tactics with females in particular. You will find those who will try to dominate you just as your sibling did or you did with your siblings. You may say "that woman where I work is a real dominating *****." and your co worker may say "Really? I think she has done wonders in the company with her reforms."

Claire:)

[Claire19]

What doesnt kill us makes us stronger is very aptforPluto. Remember though that any Pluto transits must have the same planets in aspect in the natal chart for any major effect. i.e. Pluto square Moon by transit, Pluto sextile Moon in natal chart means it will be a challenging time but more easily handled because of the easier natal aspect. The houses affected will differ from person to person of course thus making us aware of our own unique path in life. This is our evolvement and level of development coming into play from our birth aspects and how we have handled these energies in the past. Pluto is always intense and transformative even with the easier aspects I have to say.

Many people pass over on their Pluto transits especially around 42 years of age and this may have been a conscious soul choice or the result of neglect or abuse in the past. How is it that one person will walk away from a horrendous vehicle accident in which it is totally anniliated and everyone else killed or injured in the same accident????? I have seen time and again survivors of aircraft crashes which defies belief where everyone else has perished. Why is that? Angelic help, soul choice?????

8th house stellium Claire

[overthetop10]

Many people pass over on their Pluto transits especially around 42 years of age and this may have been a conscious soul choice or the result of neglect or abuse in the past. How is it that one person will walk away from a horrendous vehicle accident in which it is totally anniliated and everyone else killed or injured in the same accident????? I have seen time and again survivors of aircraft crashes which defies belief where everyone else has perished. Why is that? Angelic help, soul choice?????

8th house stellium Claire
It's quite amazing that you point to car accidents when speaking about Pluto; there have been a number of car accidents that were quite transformative in my life, but I always managed to walk away completely unscathed -- they usually happened when Pluto has passed over a natal planet.

Pluto is in Scorpio in my chart and all other planets are disposed to it, so I feel everyone in this thread's pain! Pluto transiting my 7th in early life involved a car accident which brought me nearer to my father, a dissolving family on all levels, strained childhood friendships and feelings of powerlessness and of being abused as it went and conjuncted the Sun and Saturn and opposed the Moon...

Since about the age of 13 Pluto has gone through my 8th, and even though it's Pluto's palace, s/he sure didn't bring me any sort of ease, starting with the realization that I was gay and the subsequent frustration of that experience growing up in a hostile environment; no less than 3 major car accidents as Pluto conj. Uranus (btw, my Uranus sits on a degree of Sag. associated with accidents involving wheeled vehicles! :(). And for the past 10 years, I've been obsessed with sex and its particular place in society and in my life as I experienced deprivation and disappointment -- and one of the worst periods in my life came when Pluto conj. Venus and beat me over the head with painful sexual experience after painful sexual experience! I was only able to start the healing process when Uranus trined my natal Pluto and brought me my first positive relationship.

I've had some nice Pluto moments, though...I had a wonderfully spicy entanglement when Pluto went exact on the Galactic Center ;).

Pretty soon Pluto's going to head on in to my 9th, hitting up Neptune on 29 Sag immediately after it crosses over the cusp. I'm planning a big move soon; what do you want to bet I struggle with someone who tries to control me and confuse me and perhaps try to addict me to "mind-expanding" drugs in my new city?

I'm ready for it, Pluto. Bring it on. I'm only getting stronger.

[Chaldean]

Does anyone know if plutos transit can trigger events?

I'm going to get a multitude of aspects from pluto before I'm even 30. One that I'm interested in is a pluto-venus aspect. Would transit pluto trine natal venus indicate romance? Or would that simply indicate the desire for romance? Specificaly, what would happen if natal venus where in the 8th house, and pluto was transiting the 12? I've been trying to figure this out, but alas!..I can't. :p

Does anyone know? :)

[Frisiangal]

Does anyone know if plutos transit can trigger events?

I'm going to get a multitude of aspects from pluto before I'm even 30. One that I'm interested in is a pluto-venus aspect. Would transit pluto trine natal venus indicate romance? Or would that simply indicate the desire for romance? Specificaly, what would happen if natal venus where in the 8th house, and pluto was transiting the 12? I've been trying to figure this out, but alas!..I can't. :p

Does anyone know? :)

Relax! That transit doesn't occur in your chart for about another 15 years:D. By then you will know enough astrology to have figured out the answer;).

F.

[starlink]

Hi Chaldean. 12th and 8th houses are very deep , karmic houses, especially the 12th. Now if you have your Venus in the 8th in trine to a transit of Pluto through the 12th, then you first have to look if you have an aspect between Pluto and Venus in your birthchart. When "yes" and it is a good aspect like trine or sextile (not conjunction!) than the transit could mean that you will meet someone with whom you could have a very significant relationship, based on a passed life experience with this person. It could be a "déja vue" sort of thing, like you know the person for years already.
If the natal aspect is a difficult one, square or conjunction, than the trine will not make it better, but the difficulty you will encounter in a love relationship (or in a money situation, dont forget!, 2nd house, Taurus, Venus, and 8th house other people's money, inheritance) will be less acute. It there is no natal aspect between the two planets, than it is likely that there will be something happening to you in relation to either a romance or money which will change you on a very deep level. 8th house planets and planets transiting them, almost always trigger some sort of critical situation you have to deal with and which will have a deep impact on your life. Same happens when Pluto transits your Ascendant and opposing your 7th or on the 4th-10th Axis. Always deep transformative changes take place, life decisions taken etc. Not in sudden way like with Uranus, but usually something that has been bothering you for ages and that needs to be resolved, even if it means leaving something or someone behind. Hope this has given you some insight.

[cara4art]

What could I expect from tr. Pluto opposing my Sun? Right now, tr. Pluto is within a 1-degree orb from opposition with my Sun. My natal Sun is in 4th house, loosely conjunct Uranus(which Pluto opposed some 4 times including retrogrades). Even though tr. Pluto is in my 10th, it seems to have affected matters in my 4th, starting from when it hit my MC back in 2002. From late 2002 up until late 2006, my husband and I have moved 15(yes, that's right!)times, 14 of which were in our small village in New Mexico. This last move(now six months ago)has been the welcome one, back to San Francisco. I am really hoping to be able to remain here in my current location, as it is wonderful, and we don't have to pay otherwise extremely high rent that we could never afford(my husband and I got a position here as apartment managers for this building, and it is low-key - we don't have to do alot!) Can anyone see any further huge changes resulting from this kind of transit? My Sun does rule my 6th house, so I hope it's not a health breakdown(currently I'm very healthy!) Career-wise I'm pretty private, working as an artist(along with a bit of design work)from home. Not looking to change my career either - not cut out for regular jobs as such, and I have pretty much aged out of the work force anyway(at 59). Here's my data so anyone can check this out:
6/21/1947 11:51PM Providence, RI USA

[wilsontc]

cara4art,

Since you have Uranus (friends, also restructuring) focused in the 4th house (home), you do a lot of restructuring in your home...this, for you, has meant a lot of moving. Currently transiting (planets in the sky) Uranus is sqaring your birth Uranus, putting even more restlessness in your Uranus energy at home.

Transiting Pluto (transformation) opposite (energy is over-excited by) your Sun (self-expression), indicates some type of transformation with the way you express yourself. Since you are artist (and your art is your own personal self-expression) this will affect the way you approach your art.

Planetarily,

Tim

[cara4art]

Hi Tim - thanks for the input! But I just looked at my transits right now, and tr. Uranus is only at 13 Pisces, and natal is at 22 Gemini, hardly a square yet IMO. Maybe you meant that it is approaching a square with my IC-MC axis - that would make more sense! Anyhow, I am REALLY happy in my present location, and this apartment management situation is a long-term one, not just some nebulous house-sitting situation where the property is up for sale(what we had several of in New Mexico!). This building has been in the owner's family for 50 years, and it will be his daughter's inheritance as an income-producing property after he dies later. Furthermore, they are VERY happy with us. It would take an act of God to make us leave where we are now, and it would be painful in the extreme!
As far as my art goes, for the first time in several years(due to ceaseless domestic upheaval over the last few years)I am starting to do my watercolors again, after an extended period of digital experimentation and learning. During all the moves, my concentration was just not there for painting, but it is starting to come back. So it looks like I will be what I call a "hybrid" artist, one who works in both natural and digital media as is appropriate. I am not particularly seeking fame and fortune at this time however, and am not under pressure to do so either. For me it is incredibly good news that I have some concentration to be able to get my painting going again at all, and will see where my expression takes me. I can give you my web address so you can see what I do and how intricate it is.

[Sag Moon]

I will be having Pluto going into the 7th and it will first make a square to Mars at 1Deg Aries and then Conjunct Jupiter at 2Deg. Capricorn.

Have any others had Pltuo in the 7th or conjunct Jupiter and what where their experiences?

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[overthetop10]

Pluto is my chart ruler, so I think these kinds of transits may hit me harder than they do to most people. Birth data is Nov. 8, 1984, Hastings, Nebraska, United States, 4:49 PM (22:49). But here is my experience.

Pluto in the 7th happened to me during childhood, in which I felt quite isolated from others and had a hard time getting along with people, though I began a pattern that has persisted throughout my life -- forming friendships that resemble love partnerships in terms of intensity and time spent with one another. I also seemed to seek an idealized partner at all times; in addition, I would single out other children to be my arch-enemy, and vented my aggression at them.

During the time that Pluto was in my 7th, I watched marriages fall apart throughout my family; both sets of my grandparents were divorced, aunts and uncles as well, and my parents divorced as Pluto began to pass over the 8th house cusp. I'm sure that my chart wasn't the only thing to do with it, but I know that the way in which I approach relationships and my views on marriage were formulated during this time when I saw marriage as a place of frustration for so many people close to me.

While I'm quite happy to get Pluto out of my 8th house, I am quite worried that I may have contracted HIV in the last few years during some of my sexual misadventures, and I have not been tested. With Pluto coming to contact natal Neptune at 29 Sag in my chart as it crosses the 9th cusp, I fear that my life will be changed irrevocably, and that I will dissolve under this disease.

Best of luck to you in your Pluto in the 7th years.

[Sag Moon]

I feel for you as that is all tough!

Pluto was Stionary Direct at birth and it trines my Jupiter.With or when it hits my 7th Jupiter it will exactly trine my natal Pluto. I am hoping it will be a positive experience after suffering many deaths when it went through the conjunct moon phase at 24deg. Sag.

Good luck to you!

[overthetop10]

Hrm, let me know how your Pluto transit on Jupiter goes, as I'll be experiencing it in about ten years or so...

If you want to know about any other Pluto conjunctions, I've already been through Sun, Saturn, South Node, Mercury, Uranus, and Venus, and it might be fun to look back and see what was going on in my life when they occurred -- I'm also interested in anyone's experience with Neptune, Jupiter, MC, or Mars conjunctions, as they'll all be happening in the next twenty to twenty-five years.

It's been rollicking fun to have all planets except the Moon contained between Mars in Capricorn and Pluto in Scorpio (and Mars squares Pluto). Or perhaps it hasn't been. I guess we'll just have to see in what state Pluto's energy leaves me at the end of it all...

All the best to you,
Derek

[Sag Moon]

Well most all Pluto aspects in transit have been filled with pain for myself.

I have never experienced one on an angle with the exception of when I was born.

My first memory is of my dad crying over JFK's death at 3.5yrs. old.Had to involve Pluto!

Pluto to Moon is no fun.Atleast for me it was not.Some do not have a hard time with it though.Very few.

[13Moons]

Hello everyone!

Older members may remember me as "Sita," but I've decided to ditch the name and come back as 13Moons ;) . I dropped off the forum last April, but have come back seeking wise council as transitting pluto has gotten me all sorts of messed up and I could really use some good advice.

I have yet to renegotiate the newest features of the site, so forgive me while I teach myself to post an image of my chart. For now my birth data is April 13, 1978 2:34 am Poughkeepsie, NY, USA. I'll get a photobucket chart up soon.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=s4hfileExVI2d-u1172718642&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=1&nho2=1&btyp=24&mth=gw&sday=1&smon=3&syr=2007&hsy=0&zod=&orbp=&rs=0&ast=

I come seeking help interpretting what I should be doing with the pluto energy. Because I am very caught up in it, I can't see the wood for the trees and feel very much like I am scrambling in opposing directions nearly all the time. I'm looking for a way it can be easier, or clearer... and transform me steadily in my healing.

Right now I have transitting Pluto in 11H
opposing my natal Moon in 5H 28*Gemini conjunct Jupiter 0*Cancer
quincunx my natal Mars in 6H 0*Leo
sequisquare my natal Venus in 3H 12*Taurus

Natally, I have a few 8H Pluto at 15*Libra aspects:
opposite 2H Sun 23*Aries and MercuryRcombust 20* Aries
quincunx 3H Venus 12*Taurus with Chiron 4*Taurus (conjunct?)
sextile 10H NeptuneR at 18*Sagittarius
trine Ascendant 12 Aquarius

I'm also going through my Saturn return at 23*Leo 7H.

And my progressed looks incredible to me, too:
pluto square moon
pluto square jupiter
pluto trine venus
pluto sextile mars
sun square mars
sun square saturn
sun opposition uranus in 8H Scorpio!!!
uranus square mars
uranus square saturn
venus opposition neptune

Anyway I have the potential to be a positive force for change but I'm stalled because I feel like I'm going through the cosmic blender because of my own lopsided negative thinking about my percieved inability to express my positive aspects due to wounding/lessons I haven't been able to recover from. I have created a series of hard traumas and now I really need help.

Hard to really tell you all that's going on/gone on in my life, but in December I started a new intense love/hate relationship, moved to a new town, and started working in a psychiatric treatment center as a housecleaner. The psych center triggered all residual issues from my past that I haven't been able to heal including my own tendencies toward bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder (bad pluto and mars aspects gone astray,) intense emotional instability, and well... I got perceptually all caught up in the negative things that were going on there and inside of me, and missed the hope and focus of healing because all I could see were my issues surrounding self destructive tendencies, emotional instability, violence (recieved and given,) and terrific openness and vulnerability to my environment. I feel really cut off from my spiritual self and am very caught up in the neediness and fear of rejection of my approval seeking personality and am really in touch with my fragile vulnerability (when I am not raging in compensation). In addition to this my partnership is fraught with emotional intensity, conflict, passive/aggression and I am having a hard time trusting that it is right for me because I have a history of intense relationships that have ended painfully in emotional climax, and he has a history of bipolar and narcissistic personality, as well. On the plus, there is leeway in the relationship for innovation and mutual creativity, and we understand each other in terms of having experienced a history of emotional intensity that has altered the course of our lives. And there is a intermittent sense of love/attachment/comraderie. But there are some seriously disturbing (abusive) elements going on that I feel unprepared to deal with. Most days I want to leave, but it is also my tendency to run when things get tough and I intend to own my fear of intimacy and I wonder if this fear is the primary energy that is creating these terrific dynamics of discord and pain.

I trust in the universe generally, but I also trust in my ability to not quite understand the message the universe is giving me. I sense the universe is telling me that I have been incredibley wounded and need to genuinely open my heart to those who may be able to love and help me for the wounded mess with incredible unexpressed potential that I am. Which may or may not be my intense and similarly volatile boyfriend. This energy feels so hard and so painful and I am rightfully concerned about my health during this transit... if anyone can offer insight I would be greatly rewarded.

Thank You,
Sita/13Moons

[13Moons]

13Moons again...

Sorry but I can't get the photobucket chart to load.

But in attempting to do so, I realized (duh) that transitting pluto is exact conjunct my progressed MC. I have a terrible habit of missing the obvious... stupid MercRX... making everything backwards and complicated all the time.

I'm going to shoot for the moon, ditch the psych ward and try to make something of my artistic talents professionally. I have no training and no money and nothing but raw energy and passion, but is this what the plutonic psychological hell transit has been telling me? Frustrated creativity going destructive for lack of a harnessed outlet?

thanks again.
it's good to be back.

[AquariusMoon]

Hi, 13 Moons. The Saturn Return is a major passage. Out of all your transits and progressions, Pluto/Moon stands out the most. I see your pr Moon is in Cancer and has recently entered H6, so this adds to your sensitivity and is giving you a double whammy since it's squaring natal Pluto. The Moon rules your H6.

If I were you I'd ditch anyone who was a negative influence in my life or who was bringing me down at this particular time. You need to be uplifted right now and need to have as much peace in your life as you can get. Do focus on activities that will bring goodness into your life, peace of mind and wellness since there is a mind-body connection. Be sure to give yourself lots of rest.

Your pr Asc is at 1 Aries and Mars is transiting H12-1 this month and you'll be having your Venus Return all bringing in a new cycle. Tr Saturn is also trining your natal Sun and Uranus is trining Uranus, so you have some good energies to work with. Now might be a good time to focus on career. With Saturn trine Sun, you can make some strides in that area. Pluto will bring to the surface things from the past so that you can eventually release them and heal.

I ran your transits, and here are the main ones for now with some suggestions. I hope this helps.

Good luck,
AqMoon

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[13Moons]

Aquarius Moon,

Thank you so much for taking the time to confirm my present reality. Really really deeply, I needed that soooo much. Your assistance has helped me clarify what I need to be doing and listening to at this time and everything that was mentioned is exactly what has been going on and through my self. I am so deeply appreciative,

ThirteenMoons

[AquariusMoon]

13Moons, I'm glad to hear that this was helpful!

Good luck,
AqMoon

[SimplyRed]

Give me pure hell. LOL

Pluto transits are not easy for me except pluto square natal pluto was not bad. I feel like my life is always being turned inside out. I have pluto natally seventh conjunct vertex and equal puts it in eight house. I always experience some sort of death experience, almost literally. I have almost died during more than one pluto transit. I feel like I am in a **** war zone during a pluto transit. to recover from a pluto transit is unreal cause they are so intense. Looking forward or not to pluto going into 12th house.


Uranus nor Saturn, Neptune compares to a pluto transit. I love Uranus transits. I will take Saturn anyday over Pluto.

I have interesting SR, so maybe with a grand fire trine of venus,pluto and saturn, not too bad.

Pluto rules my 10th house, sextiles Neptune is parellel to my sun, both 24 degrees and trine my moon. A few say the parallel is like a mild conjunction, sun and pluto. Pluto and Mercury are in opposition, forgot Pluto trines POF. amd squares Saturn

[AquariusMoon]

SimplyRed, Pluto transits = pure hell lol! Well, you have some good Pluto energy, Pluto trine Moon, PoF and sextile Neptune that probably softens some of the other aspects. Lots of people have that sextile. That must've been a good transit for you when Pluto was conj Nep and sextile Pluto from H9. Hopefully that sextile will help to make the Neptune opp Pluto transit a good one, bring the best out of Pluto. It could be the most amazing transit, like Pluto in 12.

Maurice Fernandez said that Saturn on an angle represents the end of a chapter of your life that will encourage you to mature to the next step in your life and let go of some things that are not going to progress with you. I feel the same could be said about Pluto on an angle, Uranus in a way too, the Gods of Change.

The grand trine in your solar return will be cool. An easy year filled with lots of fun would be something to look forward to!!!

[enigmas]

Hello everyone! I'm newie here and I'm not native english speaker, so sorry for next many mistakes in writing.

Can you help me,explain to me, transiting Pluto in 4.house making conuction with natal sun and neptune?

Thanks!:)

[Carole]

Hello, enigmas:

Transiting Pluto conjunct your natal Sun can push you to change your goals in life in a significative way. You may develop a strong sense of identity, as if you were finally aware of who you really are. You are probably apt to express yourself in a forceful way now.
These transformative energies will be felt in the matters of the house that is ruled by your sun in your chart. For instance, if your Sun rules your 4th house, then a change of residence would be possible, or your father could have a renewed purpose in life, undergoing himself a deep transformation period.
Transiting Pluto conjunct your natal Neptune, especially if your natal Neptune is conjunct your natal Sun, brings a deep awakening of spiritual matters. An inner transformation is possible now and you could start to question your beliefs. This could be a time when you perceive things very clearly, and when you could experience some paranormal events around you.


Carole

[enigmas]

Carole, I totaly know what are you talking about. Everything is true,I don't know what to say else,that you already haven't:confused:
I will also say that Leo(sun) is ruler of my 12H:)

Carole, thank you a lot:) I was searching for signs in my chart who indicates this hapenings, so now I know that the main acter is Pluto

[Carole]

enigmas:

I am glad to have been of help for you.:)

If your Sun rules your 12th house, beware of adversaries wanting to exert their power on you. You may be passing through a period of stagnation or feelings of lethargy as well.


Carole

[Neptune Rising]

I have Pluto transiting 1st house and conjuncting natal Mars at 25 degree Sag. Its been going back and forth over natal Mars for the last year. Uggh, I'm fed up with it! I can see how the transformative energies of Pluto can draw the action of Mars in Sag within oneself. I think I've been feeling a permanent frustration for what seems like forever!

In some ways though, it has changed the way I take action about things. I used to be the type who would just go for it when I make a decision, but now this has changed. I think this transit can bring pain when one doesn't listen to what Pluto is trying to teach. So if I have a goal in mind, instead of darting like lightning towards it like I used to, I have no alternative but to sit back, keep the goal in mind and work towards it in a different way - otherwise frustration and pain abound!

The important people that have come into my life over these few years have taught me patience as well. I have grown to realise I cannot always take action whenever I feel the need to.

I get rid of any frustrations that inevitably build up through my dancing, yoga. Robert Hand's Planets in Transit book says, "The energy level of this transit is very high and must be released somehow. If you don't use the power it gives, you are likely to become the victim either of circumstances or of someone else using that kind of power against you". :D I have attracted an exhausting job with 3 bosses, one of them demanding/tyranical. So I guess its a matter of directing the energy building within towards some outward worthwile goal!

Neptune

[SimplyRed]

Hi, Pluto is not too bad in the processes, Change

I am getting ready for Pluto in 12th house and travel through the unconcious dreams.
Anyone else experience pluto transiting 12th house

I enjoyed neptune, uranus, and Saturn through the 12th house

[enigmas]

Hi SimplyRed!:)

What did saturn bring to you in 12H? In what way do you feel him? May saturn is now entering in 12H.

[StarNur]

Well Pluto had its way through my 7th house, passed my Venus/Neptune in there, and I have to say my views on relationships and marriage haven't changed much. I did encounter my share lies and manipulation and got some sweet justice through retribution. Good part was that it wasn't with someone I was ever in love with. But I was heavily in love with someone when Pluto first entered my 7th house...but that was a completely controlled version of love that didn't turn into anything tangible, except for obssession and stalking for about 7-8 years that I'm aware of, and maybe still?

Now I have Pluto in my 8th house, which is a small house in my chart, so its effects should last till about 2015. I wish it would stay longer. I just hope no one near and dear to me passes away during this time. Once Pluto leaves the 8th, it'll form some positive aspects to Saturn and my Moon. I'll also have Saturn entering my 7th, Jupiter in the 5th and 12th house Uranus trine Venus/Neptune. God knows what that means...too many things!

[starlink]

Simply Red, when my Pluto passed through 12, I could feel it coming, the difficult time ahead. My Ascendant ruler is Pluto so maybe because of that it worked out so much stronger. I was keeping to myself a lot, living in my own world more than engaging outside. I was frantically busy with art to feel better (painting, decorating envellopes, music) and when it hit my Ascendant my world fell apart. Divorce followed 4 years later, but I moved out at that point. Even so, I was absolutely re-born and turned into a new, far more self-assured human being and eventually have gotten a complete new life, partner included.

[Bahar]

I have an interesting case: transit Pluto is my 8th house and I have a court since May 2005. My step sister went to court for an heritage for the half of the house that my father has sold me while he was living. But, the court decided that this a false sales and gave her the half. Now, we are negocitiationing for the price, since I don't want the leave my house that I'm living. Of course, she's asking for a high amount to sell me her half and I don't want to give her that amount...
Pluto will leave my 8th house by January '08. Besides, transit Jupiter also is in my 8th house. I have Mars and Venus in my 8th house which I think it signify my step sister.
Do you think that transit Jupiter will help me to solve this court ?
It's amazing that while Pluto is in my 8th house I have a court related to heritage ! Astrology is working...
11.01.1973, 12:15, Istanbul

[Newmoon]

Hi, I am new on this forum and very happy I've found this thread!

I have 5 planets in Sag in the 12th house. So far I've had Pluto cnj Neptune, Mercury, Jupiter and the Sun - plus Pluto square MC and natal Mars. In the next 4 years, I have Pluto cnj Moon, square natal Pluto and cnj ASC in Cap.

I am looking forward to when all the Pluto transits are over! It's been a difficult time.

Newmoon

[Star Power]

Hello,

I am so glad that you shared your Pluto in 1st House information with the readers of this forum. My AC is at Capricorn 8, and even though Pluto is still in Sagittarius, my 12th house, I am already feeling some of the effects that you mention in your journal entries. (I only read the first two posts).

I am dealing with emotional baggage, especially those revolving around my self needs and how others manipulate me. This is all painful and I wish that I didn't need to go through this, but I also know that the entire planet would be better off if we all dealt with our Plutonian issues of abuse, victim consciousness, manipulation, control, jealousy and sense of separation from others.

I did also go through some Pluto square Pluto/Uranus during the earlier part of Pluto's transit in Sagittarius, and at the beginning of that transit, around 4 and 5 degrees and I also dealt with squares to N Moon and N Saturn. But to be honest, I don't recall what happened so long ago. Except that for the past 10 years or so I have been doing my best to move past victim consciousness and how I manipulated people in the past through guilt.

Yuck!

peace,

Star Power

PS By the way, when T Pluto conjuncts my AC, it will also oppose my Sun.

[Star Power]

Oh, I forgot to mention, with Pluto transiting through my 12th House, I have experienced a lot of nightmares. But on the plus side, I have also learned lucid dreaming so I am able to escape my dream predators.

And also I had to deal with (not sure if this is related), to a man who harassed me at the beginning of the year. That was a frightening time when I learned how to own my power. I befriended a detective who taught me self defense and told me that women should never put up with any harassment from men, nor should they doubt themselves when they think they are being harassed.

On top of that, I have had to deal with hidden rodents in my apartment and other hidden problems, that take awhile to be uncovered and to reveal themselves.

On the spiritual front, Pluto has been great, because I can now see who is deceiving me and who is deceiving themselves. I can spot a meglomaniac person posing as a spiritual guru from miles away, or so to speak. It is sad to have been deceived, but also good to finally empower oneself.

peace,

Star Power

[Natasha]

I am preparing myself for Pluto to square my moon in early Jan 08.
How does one prepare one asks - I guess look at how one can improve ones life & be ready to let go of old stuff - being the moon its old emotional stuff I guess - could be familial.
Part of this is about learning not to 'sweat the small stuff' and also looking at where life trips us up on a day to day & how one can change that to make it work better.
Then there is always the forgiveness of self & others which Louise L Hay speaks of. Afterall releasing the old especially negative feelings (re Moon) will come into play I am sure.

[QuaOs]

About Pluto conj. Galactic Center, from my another post last week:

This occured at my Neptune+Mars conjunction in H10 within 2-3 deg. orb., that are also sextiling my Sun+Venus+Saturn+Pluto conjunction in H8.

And my feeling up to this moment?

POWER OVERWHELMING!!!!!!! :D :sunny::banana:



P.S. But this week it's so hard to sleep, might be that grand trine of transit Mars (in my H4), transit Mercury (in my H8) and my ascendant. :eek:



But also my office work is peaking in amount. Some of our customers' sites have been overrun by strange issues and some systems gone crazy. Almost no free time in the weekends. :(

[deanna]

Just to keep this great post going:

Any insight on the current transit of Jupiter Pluto conjunction ?

In the genius words of:

http://www.michaellutin.com/dailyfix.htm: (http://www.michaellutin.com/dailyfix.htm)

the world is in pull the Jupiter Pluto conjunction
and we never know if we're being
grandiose, unrealistic, and totally stupid for being hopeful
and flying higher than a junkie on crack
but without the kick
no discovery or exploration would ever be made
expect a few mind-blowing discoveries to be made
over the next three weeks
totally mind-expanding
you won't believe them
but they will be true
these are giant leaps forward
stupid and crazy?
they all laughed.........


I have this going on in my first house and it makes me hungry (ha ha! Jupiter loves to eat)

Thanks for any imput with all the great minds on this site..

Best Regards,
de

[starlink]

Hello Deanna

Any insight on the current transit of Jupiter Pluto conjunction ?


Well, how about GREAT (Jupiter) TRANSFORMATIONS (Pluto)
EXTENSIVE DAMAGE
ENORMOUS ERUPTIONS (especially because of Earth and Fire elements combined.
TREMENDOUS EXPLOSIONS

All in all, very dangerous aspect for the world in general.

Oh, I forgot, ENORMOUS POWERFUL FIRES (California!!)

I have it on the cusp of my second house, mmmm...... Maybe I will win the lottery!!LOL!! Second house is ruled by Jupiter!

Cheers, Starlink

[enigmas]

Does this mean that I will have a BIG demage in my house?!

Conjuction of transit jupiter and pluton will be in my 4.house (at 28 degree). Sagitarius is on the cusp of that house and natal jupiter is also in 4.house. And they(pluto,jupiter) will conjuct my natal sun and neptun (orbis 2)

Should I be worry? What could I expect?

[Neptune Rising]

I was looking forward to this transit until I realised the dark power of Pluto. I think it is going to square my natal Juno at 29 degrees Pisces about 3 times. It will also be inconjuncting my Descendant 3 times too. Looks like an interesting lesson to be learned!

I just realised Juno will be T-squared, by tr Pluto opposite tr Mars, both square Juno! Mars will also square Juno 3 times. Solar return Juno will be in my 1st house, also conjunct natal North Node. Very much a Juno focus for me next year.

I usually tend to sacrifice myself in close relationships to please the other person (Juno/Pisces). In the past this has left me very upset, when I even give up the things that I would have loved. But recently its started to dawn on me that I need to value myself and my needs more, but not so much as to totally overpower the other person. Maybe this square transit will intensify this, I hope not into relationship power struggles. I'll just try and see the 'Pluto' side of my personality that will probably surface and recognise and accept it for what it is. It seems to be quite empowering to balance the self-sacrificing tendencies with the tyranical, to create a balance.

NR

[SimplyRed]

Hi SimplyRed!:)


What did saturn bring to you in 12H? In what way do you feel him? May saturn is now entering in 12H.
Thanks for asking and where am I am on this thread anyway or pluto threads in general.


I loved Saturn going through 12th house. A lot of solitude and redoing my life. Neptune and uranus were great as well as transiting at the same time. Dreams were incredible. I have neptune ninth/cusp tenth. I tend to disappear for long periods of time in solitude anyway, so if you like solitude it will not bother you.

I have heard you supposed to be around low lifes and depressing atmosphere when saturn transits your 12th, anyway I think it is more personal to your own chart.

First stop is hitting north node which is 1 degree Cap for all planets.

I have already starting dreams with pluto. I wondered about my sorry Venus before going to bed and dreamed a title written on parchment. Asteroids mean as much as planets. Written in cursive.

Anyway, for some wired reason at my age, which seems dumn to me, I want to compose music. Maybe ole pluto wanting something.

12th house is not bad for me. I wonder about pluto hitting north node, though.

[Bambi]

Anyway, for some wired reason at my age, which seems dumn to me, I want to compose music. Maybe ole pluto wanting something.

12th house is not bad for me. I wonder about pluto hitting north node, though.

Pluto hitting your NNode ... pretty powerful stuff. Obviously some kind of transformation regarding your life's purpose. Perhaps you'll connect with a powerful (Pluto) ally, or become some kind of powerful presence in your world.

Good Luck!!

Bambi

[starlink]

Hi Enigmas, well, with Jupiter on the 4th and in the 4th and both Jupiter and Pluto transiting through the 4th, there could be, also depending on the aspects Jupiter makes of course, and the Sun, extensive renewal in your home or in the family. This could mean either that the house will be up for renovation and will get some proper extentions, pipelines? Maybe a new sewer system or something like that. Is Jupiter also ruler of the 3rd by any chance? Then maybe they are going to renew pipelines in the neighborhood and they have to open the floors in your cellar for that.
Pluto also has to do with deep emotions and something could trigger the deepest childhood memories in you, bringing it up to the surface. Also your intuitive, para-normal abilities (if you should have them) could be hightened.
It is likely to be more of an emotional nature than that an earthquacke will shake your home. Tell us when something happens of the nature of Pluto in the near future. Cheers, Starlink

[smilingsteph]

Pluto is leaving my tenth house and going into the eleventh. The tenth house transit was helpful in finding out what I wanted to do for a career. I worked for 8 years to get through school, as I worked and paid as I went, finally I finished a year ago! I was around 17-19 when I really wanted to know what to do. So I guess pluto helped in that area...now onto the eleventh...then soon it will square my natal jupiter...
I dont understand how this will affect my life, as I posted the "friends what are those" thread and dont have many contacts. Maybe a new time to develop contacts? I can only hope that they are positive for me! I seem to meet people that are not entirely healthy. Not to mention the thought of getting into personal contacts with others such as friends frightens me!

[enigmas]

Hi Enigmas, well, with Jupiter on the 4th and in the 4th and both Jupiter and Pluto transiting through the 4th, there could be, also depending on the aspects Jupiter makes of course, and the Sun, extensive renewal in your home or in the family. This could mean either that the house will be up for renovation and will get some proper extentions, pipelines? Maybe a new sewer system or something like that. Is Jupiter also ruler of the 3rd by any chance? Then maybe they are going to renew pipelines in the neighborhood and they have to open the floors in your cellar for that.
Pluto also has to do with deep emotions and something could trigger the deepest childhood memories in you, bringing it up to the surface. Also your intuitive, para-normal abilities (if you should have them) could be hightened.
It is likely to be more of an emotional nature than that an earthquacke will shake your home. Tell us when something happens of the nature of Pluto in the near future. Cheers, Starlink

Thank you for answring starlink,
yes, jupiter is second ruler of 3.house,I will definetly tell you if there will be renovation in neighborhood:)
Everthing that you said about pluto is true, I already feel him in both ways;)
But on the other side I'm a little bit afraid...my nerves are not so strong--> merkur/uran natal conjuction in saggitarius in 3. almoust 4. house.

[Claire19]

Hello Deanna




Well, how about GREAT (Jupiter) TRANSFORMATIONS (Pluto)
EXTENSIVE DAMAGE
ENORMOUS ERUPTIONS (especially because of Earth and Fire elements combined.
TREMENDOUS EXPLOSIONS

All in all, very dangerous aspect for the world in general.

Oh, I forgot, ENORMOUS POWERFUL FIRES (California!!)

I have it on the cusp of my second house, mmmm...... Maybe I will win the lottery!!LOL!! Second house is ruled by Jupiter!

Cheers, Starlink

Winnin the lottery needs other assets of the 8th house, 5th house for lottery and speculation and good aspects to them. 2nd house aspects can be an indication of this but not on its own.

[Claire19]

Pluto hitting your NNode ... pretty powerful stuff. Obviously some kind of transformation regarding your life's purpose. Perhaps you'll connect with a powerful (Pluto) ally, or become some kind of powerful presence in your world.

Good Luck!!

Bambi
Pluto hitting North Node? does it in your natal chart?? If not, there wont be much effect.

[Claire19]

Pluto is leaving my tenth house and going into the eleventh. The tenth house transit was helpful in finding out what I wanted to do for a career. I worked for 8 years to get through school, as I worked and paid as I went, finally I finished a year ago! I was around 17-19 when I really wanted to know what to do. So I guess pluto helped in that area...now onto the eleventh...then soon it will square my natal jupiter...
I dont understand how this will affect my life, as I posted the "friends what are those" thread and dont have many contacts. Maybe a new time to develop contacts? I can only hope that they are positive for me! I seem to meet people that are not entirely healthy. Not to mention the thought of getting into personal contacts with others such as friends frightens me!

Pluto thru 11th wont have an effect unless it is hitting a planet or an aspect involved there. When it does it can mean becoming deeply involved in group endeavours especially those pertaining to the betterment of the future of mankind. It can mean studying astrology and other new age sciences and being transformed by them and even becoming obsessed.

[Regen11]

Hey, Starlink & everyone,

Got any clues to what the transiting Pluto in my 4th House in Capricorn might mean? It will conjunct Neptune first, which is in the 3rd House right next to the IC cusp, and then Jupiter 2 degrees after the IC. Both Neptune and Jupiter are in Capricorn. My guess is that it will force me to delve more heavily into my family past, and transform the "inner" me.

Has anyone been through a Pluto transit in the 4th house? I'm trying to prepare myself. :P

[astrobelle]

I am preparing myself for Pluto to square my moon in early Jan 08.
How does one prepare one asks - I guess look at how one can improve ones life & be ready to let go of old stuff - being the moon its old emotional stuff I guess - could be familial.
Part of this is about learning not to 'sweat the small stuff' and also looking at where life trips us up on a day to day & how one can change that to make it work better.
Then there is always the forgiveness of self & others which Louise L Hay speaks of. Afterall releasing the old especially negative feelings (re Moon) will come into play I am sure.

you got it in a nutshell. Pluto is a hair away from my moon which is at 28º16 sag. in the 3rd house.
Once it ingresses into cap. it will also square my mars (already belligerent in aries on the descendant, I hope I wont project that energy out there. I still have not figured out how to fully own a 7th house mars... any pointers welcome!).

I've been weeping a whole lot, and have been hypersensitive to people's energy/power. I have a deeper sense of wether it's dark or light, or even if it's dark but they own it. I can no longer stand by or listen politely to people babbling on negatively about whatever and have to remove myself. Have more respect for my feelings and how powerful they are, as well as other people's.

what house is your moon is?
mine is in the third: journaling more then usual has helps me put my emotions into perspective, mostly about some rotten beliefs acquired in childhood, or current stuff that has re-activeated them. so yes def. familial material coming up! Last week an elder female neighbor passed away from breathing the fume from a kitchen fire. (T pluto to 3rd house moon!)

You can definitely expect changes at home! Some of it has been pretty literal, like yesterday black water backed up in my bathroom and kitchen sinks and pipes had to be opened and then "snaked". I'm also compulsively getting rid of stuff in my house, especially paper and media. I recently got a shredder and it's been exhilarating ;) (but not as much as when I burned a pile of papers earlier on). I have many boxes of journals and old appointment books so maybe it's time to let them go? Somehow the more I clean up my house, the more "shocked" I get at how much more clutter I seem to have. It's always been there, but I did not notice it (as being clutter) and now I can't stand it. Seems the upcoming Jupiter-Pluto conjunction is making every thing "MORE". I'm kinda exited about it and expecting energies coming to a head...

what house is ruled by your moon?
mine rules the MC, my career and general standing are a big BLANK right now... I dont have any clear clue and am ready for an epiphany...:cheers:
if any one had their MC ruler or MC transited by pluto let me know how it went!!!

[astrobelle]

I am preparing myself for Pluto to square my moon in early Jan 08.
How does one prepare one asks - I guess look at how one can improve ones life & be ready to let go of old stuff - being the moon its old emotional stuff I guess - could be familial.
Part of this is about learning not to 'sweat the small stuff' and also looking at where life trips us up on a day to day & how one can change that to make it work better.
Then there is always the forgiveness of self & others which Louise L Hay speaks of. Afterall releasing the old especially negative feelings (re Moon) will come into play I am sure.

you got it in a nutshell. Pluto is a hair away from my moon which is at 28º16 sag. in the 3rd house.
Once it ingresses into cap. it will also square my mars (already belligerent in aries on the descendant, I hope I wont project that energy out there. I still have not figured out how to fully own a 7th house mars... any pointers welcome!).

I've been weeping a whole lot, and have been hypersensitive to people's energy/power. I have a deeper sense of wether it's dark or light, or even if it's dark but they own it. I can no longer stand by or listen politely to people babbling on negatively about whatever and have to remove myself. Have more respect for my feelings and how powerful they are, as well as other people's.

what house is your moon is?
mine is in the third: journaling more then usual has helps me put my emotions into perspective, mostly about some rotten beliefs acquired in childhood, or current stuff that has re-activeated them. so yes def. familial material coming up! Last week an elder female neighbor passed away from breathing the fume from a kitchen fire. (T pluto to 3rd house moon!)

You can definitely expect changes at home! Some of it has been pretty literal, like yesterday black water backed up in my bathroom and kitchen sinks and pipes had to be opened and then "snaked". I'm also compulsively getting rid of stuff in my house, especially paper and media. I recently got a shredder and it's been exhilarating ;) (but not as much as when I burned a pile of papers earlier on). I have many boxes of journals and old appointment books so maybe it's time to let them go? Somehow the more I clean up my house, the more "shocked" I get at how much more clutter I seem to have. It's always been there, but I did not notice it (as being clutter) and now I can't stand it. Seems the upcoming Jupiter-Pluto conjunction is making every thing "MORE". I'm kinda exited about it and expecting energies coming to a head...

what house is ruled by your moon?
mine rules the MC, my career and general standing are a big BLANK right now... I dont have any clear clue and am ready for an epiphany...:cheers:
if any one had their MC ruler or MC transited by pluto let me know how it went!!!

[starlink]

Hi Claire!
Winning the lottery needs other assets of the 8th house, 5th house for lottery and speculation and good aspects to them. 2nd house aspects can be an indication of this but not on its own.
Yes I know, I was just kidding. I never play any type of lottery but once when I was on an outing with my company, there was a tombola and guess what, I won 2 main prices! Could not believe it myself. So I guess, I do have quite a lucky 5th house but a lousy 8th house, ruled by Mercury and that one is square Saturn both exactly at 2°, so I thought I could forget about inheritance and the likes. But no, I did inherit a piece of land and part of a house (with my brothers and sisters) and my mother in law told me & showed me a copy of her will and boy, I hope I survive her! She is 90 now and still as fit as a spring chicken! So how can I explain that very limited 8th house ruler???? Any ideas? It is in the 6th and in Taurus. Venus, ruler of Merc. is in the 5th, conjunct Mars in Aries and trine Pluto, ruler Ascendant. So maybe, in the end, after lots of rulers of this and rulers of that, it does look promising:)
Ciao, Starlink

[starlink]

Hi Astrobelle, I personally had Pluto squaring my MC and opposing my 7th house in 1995 and I left my husband and needless to say, my whole social environment (MC) totally changed. I myself went through total transformation (I think my story is at the beginning of this thread somewhere).
My Son, who is a Sagittarius and has Sun, Mercury, MC, Mars and Neptune (9th) all in that sign went through the most difficult time of his life when Pluto went over his MC, then Mercury, then Sun. He left his job (worked for his father and they did not get along), went to live in Portugal, for a whole year no job found, also had just gotten a babydaughter couple of month before he left, then came to Switzerland and found work within 3 weeks and is now almost back to his good all self. I think by the end of 2008 he will be where he was 3 years ago. His life changed dramatically. Now Pluto is heading for his Venus in Capricorn, OH MY !!! That is also going to be a tough one, I can tell you that. So yes, brace yourself but always keep in mind that at the end of it, you will feel reborn and way stronger than ever before.
Good luck! Starlink

[astrobelle]

...and is now almost back to his good all self.

Starlink, thank you for the good luck wish, sharing these two Pluto MC experiences, and also your Pluto/Asc epiphany years. I'm not sure if it was a typo or if you coined a great new expression, but I loved that you wrote your son is back to his good ALL self. I sure want to be ALL of my self... hope so: 3 years is a long time! :mad:

Once Pluto is a degree away from my MC ruling moon (at the end of 08), I will have a one year respite: Pluto will then join the IC and oppose the MC until end of 2011...(is that a double whammy or wHAT?!!!:eek:)
Actually I wonder if / how much of a respite 2009 will be... mmm.
I have not really thought about that one yet much, just dealing with the lunar transformation one breath at a time (or is it one tear at a time). Sag. moon can be challenged from embracing & experiencing sadness, she always want to find the happy flip side to anything... Am constantly wondering wether I am in allowance or in resistance about what I am feeling these days.

[Arian Maverick]

Oh dear, and here I was hoping to go through Pluto transiting my Midheaven and squaring my Ascendant unscathed... :rolleyes:

Ah well, at least I'm young and can get this transit "over with" before it is able to afflict too much damage on my career. I just hope I don't drop out of school, but this would probably be indicated more by a ninth house transit.

Does anyone have any stories of Pluto transiting natal Uranus, Saturn, or Neptune? I'll have these three transits in a few years, and I'm a bit concerned that the world is going to collapse around me. But with Pluto entering Capricorn, it will probably do this to everyone...

Arian Maverick

[enigmas]

I already asked here about transit pluton conjunctiong my sun and neptun...and I know there will be big changes in me, on deeper level...I already feel it BUT I found out other aspects that will occur at the same time when transit pluto conjucts my sun and neptun(it will be in the end of January and begining february 2008):
1)transit north node will conjuct my mars(ruler of 8.house) in 6.house.
2)transit chiron will conjunct my venus (ruler of 9.house and coruler of 1.house) in 5.house
3)transit Pluto conjuct my sun (sun is comming from 12.house) and neptun in 4.house.
4) transit retro mars will make opposition on sun, moon, neptun, mercur and uran, it will also make square to asc and triogon to natal mars
5)transit venus will be on the cusp of 4.house and will make conjuction with uran and mercur
6)transit uran will opposite asc and square mc
7)transit saturn is in 12.house

I know this is too much information and sorry for that, but this seems realy hard aspects and I'm worry how will I survive those aspects. I'm realistic person and I know something will gona happend and it wont be nice. I'm curious did someone had some of this aspects?

[Liquid Green]

well i am having heaps of problems at the moment (legal) and have been told to beware of pluto transitting my 12th where my sun and moon is...........I dont particulary want to go to prison! I am actually somewhat afraid...............

[Moulin]

well i am having heaps of problems at the moment (legal) and have been told to beware of pluto transitting my 12th where my sun and moon is...........I dont particulary want to go to prison! I am actually somewhat afraid...............

Don't worry LG,

I will fly up to Pluto and physically happy slap him if need be ;)

You just keep breathing and looking after your fam and all will be fine. I don't think you will go to the big "P" ...
l'll get that t pluto for ya :p
xoxo

[22 Scorpio]

Thank you to eveyone for such great posts! As you might guess from my screen name, my asc is 22 Scorpio.

I had Pluto hit my asc back in October of 1992 and stay in my first house until December of 2004. What a transformation! By the time Pluto left my first house for my second, my life no longer resembled the anything like the existence I had been living back in 1992. Some of the changes have been very positive and others incredibly destructive (or transformative). There have been some major power struggles within my family since Pluto crosed over my 2nd house cusp. Additionally, I currently have transiting Pluto opposing my natal Mars which sits at 29 Gemini in the 8th house.

In my natal chart, I have Pluto in the 10th in Virgo conjunct Uranus and Mercury. I have been told this is a very powerful placement, but have yet to harness the enormous magnitude of Pluto and Uranus. I'm not sure what to do with this placement.Perhaps someone can offer some advice and guidance...?

[Natasha]

Hi Astrobelle - my moon is in the 11th house & cancer cusp is the 9th house
Pluto will exact square in mid february 08 then again about May 08 and finally about dec 08
I think the Pluto transit picks up some of the energies from previous Pluto Moon transits. Since Pluto has been moving relativly quickly over the past 30+ years most people get a few Pluto Moon transits in their life. Although as pluto heads for Aquarius he will slow down and he crawls thru Taurus.

We have been doing some small improvements on our home over the last 6 months and plan to continue this eg replacing cooker & toilet and polishing floor boards & quite a lot of electrical works. We plan to finish the floor board polishing getting rid of very old carpet and retile the bathroom

I agree that journals are very helpful & am trying to journal more
Also dream work which seems to get left would be helpful to attend
Undoubtable some family issues will arise possibly around one or more of our elderly relatives.

For the last four years we have been interstate or overseas on holidays over the xmas day but this year when we organised our holiday,circumstances around our holiday caused us to decide on a trip after the Xmas week so we ended up attending the family xmas day. I decided it was going to be positive & happy emphasis on happy as prior years have devolved into afternoons where people argue about old issues. Anyway it turned out to be a positive & happy day.

Whilst in the middle of such a transit I think that it is possible for us to see someone else or something else as the major "problem" and focus on that. Its easy to get spiral into this.
Also Pluto transits tend to be familial ie much shifting around of the the familes unspoken 'rules' and behaviours can come under the spotlight or be threatened in some say. Often these family patterns do need some kind of re-jij. Someone (often one of the persons under the Pluto transit) will alter the family pattern. This can be enormously positive if it is an improvement on the family patterns eg more positive happy loving honest.

Secrets are often revealed under Pluto transits. Emotional and maternal line type secrets can be revealed under the Pluto Moon. Perhaps some old secret kept by an elder female may be revealed

The families Taboo is often put to question in some way under a pluto transit

Most often more than one family member has a pluto transit at the same time

[lamatrash]

Sag Moon: we have similar charts since our birth dates are 9 days apart and our ascendents are both in the 2nd degree of Cancer. Currently we are both experiencing a Jupiter return, exact 2 days ago. Pluto is moving into our 7th house. I dont know about you, but Pluto will be making the following transits for me in the next 1-2 years:
Trine Merc
Trine Venus
Opposite Asc
Conjunct Jupiter
Trine Pluto
Sextile Chiron
If anyone out there would please comment on these upcoming transits, I would appreciate all insights.
Lamatrash
1249

[deanna]

Greetings !

Could someone elaborate on transiting Pluto oppose north node? It looks like this is a very powerful Pluto transit:

Here is some info from moonvalleyastrologer.com:

Links of Pluto with one of the nodes is quite dynamic. Pluto is associated with new strength in confronting and overcoming limitations while the nodes also time periods of exceptional strength in facing situations once and for all. Together, they show a time of reckoning with deep and powerful psychological issues.


Because the nodes are reflective of lunar qualities associated with the domestic environment, paired with Pluto, they often translate into literal transformations or reorganization taking place within the home or family unit. Circumstances are often somewhat tumultuous in the home, and/or renovations are taking place. There is a “coming to terms” with inner needs.

This Pluto link also brings termination and times the closure of significant issues, especially if there have been conflicts of interest. Immovable force meets with immovable force, and a collision of interests often results in a victory for one and defeat for another. A previous set of circumstances is rearranged upon a new foundation. Pluto is often involved with the nodes when divorce occurs. Together, this pair is significant of sexual issues of all kinds and it has been found linked to rape. There are death and rebirth situations, and an actual death could occur. This combination has been found to be a significant factor in suicides, overdoses, and murder, as well as hold ups, shootings, and other personal attacks.


These Pluto/node connections are also linked to both kidnappings and forced custodial changes. Relating to reproduction, the pairing may also coincide with miscarriages, abortions, and vasectomies.


The link of the nodes with Pluto is significant also of new enterprise and of financial matters. The house ruled by Pluto should also be considered in judging the probable area of life that comes into focus.


In addition to the changes initiated or encountered by the individual with a node/Pluto contact, on a larger scale it can be witnessed to produce a change in consciousness by the masses when it is the transiting node upon the natal Pluto of a generation. "
http://www.moonvalleyastrologer.com/moon_nodes.htm#Nodes/Pluto

[universal]

Pluto is currently in my 3rd house, less than a degree away from opposing my ruling planet Venus in 9th H. Quite recently, I have begun to obsess about some bad neighbours. They were always on the questionable side, but they and their dog are now taking liberties with my resources (dog and kids on my property, they've started a business contrary to zoning,bringing all kinds of traffic around, stealing wood without asking ) and I am considering putting up a massive chain link fence that will affect their view of the lake in front of us. This time would be a good opportunity to learn not to obsess - is that what you're getting at, Pluto?

I don't know if this Pluto transit observation belongs here - I guess that's what Moderators are for - but I note that when the US Federal Reserve announces its interest rate decision on Jan. 30, transitting Pluto will be almost exactly opposite natal Pluto in the Federal Reserve's birth chart. Mercury is retrograde then too, and with the upcoming Feb. 6 eclipse occurring smack dab on the US birth chart's Moon (ruler of money 2nd H) in 10th H of reputation and Pluto within 2 minutes conjunct the US 8th H cusp and opposite the 2nd, it looks like a US currency and economy crisis to me.
Mars activates the eclipse on June 10 and that's when the --- could really hit the ---.

[Catatonia]

Okay, deals on these Pluto transits:

Pluto square Mars located in the 7th house and ruling the 7th (in its own house) and also ruling the 2nd.

- Pluto is in Scorpio located in the 2nd house

Pluto conjunct Saturn in Sagittarius natally and Capricorn progressively, Saturn located in the 3rd and ruling the 4th and 5th.

[Kingsley]

Could someone elaborate on transiting Pluto oppose north node? It looks like this is a very powerful Pluto transit:


Hi De, I have south node ove my Pluto this month. It maybe the other way around however still its dredging up matters by way of house and sign ruler.

Pluto conjunct South node is a health issue and where ones defenses are activated to deal with matters. Sometimes those defense systems might be the only way we know how to handle situations. It sort of feels like a shrinking back into an older version of ourselves or a prompting to find better solutions to deal with things. That is, look for different ways to cope.

Its when the old ways of coping do not seem to work anymore and one is left with a certain amount of anxiety about their situation. In a way the Pluto transiting of south node can also be a hereditary function that emerges for the person to deal with.

best

kingsley

[Nexus7]

I don't know where I put my Robert Hand..

Transit Pluto is squaring my Midheaven at the moment. This also means that it will conjoin Saturn very soon too and also be hitting some very close midpoints with Mercury, Uranus and Moon.

All I know at the moment - I am sick of my current job, which involves freelance Tesol in another country. Last year, there were horrendous problems with the accounting side, and this is a country that is not especially kind to self-employed anyway, and the sheer treadmill of it all became impossible. That, incidentally, is probably more the long transit square of Neptune to natal 6th House Mars, though. I have been losing work because students were complaining that I seemed bored - I was bored - or, obviously exhausted - that too.

I know there have to be changes, because I just don't want...another year like last year. I find the work totally thankless at times, there are too many schools, too many teachers and half the time it seems to me many students - colleagues too - do not really like dealing with natives. So at the moment, not sure whether it might be better to give up the flat and move on again to a friendlier, more open environment, or try to find new outlets where I am.

OK, just thinking aloud. I used to love doing charts at the psychic fairs, but feel that many people here are so picky about their precious language, it might be difficult to do that kind of work again still (ok, if this Pluto transit is also asking me to deal with various unresolved culture shock issues, then so be it). Then, to be honest and I hope nobody here takes this the wrong way - I just do not really feel comfortable in the astrological world, because to me there is a kind of dogmatism at work, with a lot of people. I was actually relieved to be away from the world of astrology in the end, because I hated being fitted into a pigeonholed mould - that sense of oppression lifted once I was away from one or two astrology 'friends.'

OK, it was a viable way to mke a living and having graduated at a time when there were 500 graduates to one job but for me, it is still only an occupation by default. The most important thing for me is my artistic activities, though this is not a place that is particularly receptive to the kind of artwork I do either.

I used to teach astrology incidentally as well as read at psychic fairs, but my astrology vcourse got axed by someone on the universtiy staff who sent my course to one H J Eysenck for evaluation.

I would be curiousto know how other people have dealt with transitting Pluto issues regarding their careers.

[Kingsley]

Hello Nexus, I can remember when Pluto was opposing my mars and squaring my Mc at the same time. I was a private contractor on a huge job for a millionaire here. Suddenly everyone seemed to turn against me and it was a terrible battle. Mars rules my 7th and Mars in Gemini the first house.

I really wanted to progress with my astrology learning and all the pressure from my sub contractors and other associated forms of power plays on the job started to feel alien and insignificant to my purpose. In the end I developed a repetitive strain injury which required some attention even though I plugged on. In the end I chose a new path and changed career directions with the help of meager accident insurance monies. It was a conscious decision that was hard to make however I was relieved after doing so.

Pluto conjunct Saturn is not an easy one let me tell you. There are tectonic shifts in many of lifes structures depending on house and sign etc. Its like parts of the footings to a wall are missing and requires some attention. Its not that everything starts to crumble, however there is a great need to underpin ones security while major shifts take place. I think there is a great deal of grief involved in this transit because the changes shake the very stability that has become relied on for so mant years. The usual survival methods and defenses just don't seem to work any more.

I think I started some psychotherapy then and adapted to living with very little. I experienced the Pluto-Saturn about a year or so after pluto squared my Mc. Pluto also has the ability to dredge up massive amounts of determination and courage to handle these situations. The type of social displacements are political in nature and while restructuring life, one gets to appreciate their powers of rescillience. If you can imagine a wall of big rectangular stones with one or two stones missing near the middle-bottom of the wall; its like there is something missing in the development of the wall however the stones around that 'hole' seem to keep the structure standing at least. Its just a matter of underpining and careful masonry work to complete this left out part of one's life work at this time.

best regards

kingsley

[Kingsley]

Dear Nexus, I am sure you are also aware of the astrological immunity factor in some of these seemingly difficult transits. Maurice Mcgann did some wonderful work on "silent aspects" where he postulated that Transits to natal planets was out of context to the time in years separating the birth chart and say 40 years later. He suggested that if one has a pluto saturn aspect in the birth chart that the person would 'feel' a transit of pluto/saturn regardless of its direct contact to natal planets. That is if Saturn trines Pluto in a transit chart only the native will resonate to no matter where their own saturn pluto lay in the natal.

In that way and referring to your on coming PLuto conjuct natal Saturn, the native with Saturn Pluto will experience the the transit of Pluto to their Saturn with a degree of immunity. Its because the person is familiar with the energy already and that leaves them in good stead to deal with such energy when that aspect happens.

That is very interesting about your astrolgy course and Eysenck

best

Kingsley

[Nexus7]

Kingsley

Thanks for your responses.

I have a trine between Puto and Saturn natally. Recently I read the Tarnas book where he goes into Saturn-Pluto quite a lot. He brings up the charts of Saturn-Pluto type people (they truly do have the natal aspects), including Orwell, Kafka, Augustine, the writer of Moby Dick. All deep, dark and obsessive stuff, dwelling on someof the darker areas of experience at great length.

He also wrote of Saturn-Pluto times. I wrote a review in somewhere about that book, as I certainly remember the sense that there was something not especially liberating in the air when there was such a transit (Thatcherism, mainly), and remember commenting to someone about it at length.

The link to my articles in on my home page here, in case you are interested. I wrote about the Eysenck experience too. Somone else working there told me about that. I just remember being told that all the tutors had to come in to meet a panel and justify their courses, but that there were serious questions about my astrology course especially. I was kept waiting all day instead of meeting them at the morning slot I was given, then it was conveniently discovered that the meeting as no longer chorate, as someone had gone home.

I do know that Saturn-Pluto transit is supposed to promise losses. Well, the taxman certainly took all my dough plus a little extra pound of flesh on top just before Christmas. There was a letter from the local Inland Revenue waiting for me after you posted your first response hat generated a little Kafkaesqe angst, but it seems that all it had to say was that procedures against me are being dropped.

All this becase at the end of 2006 someone supposedly helping me with all the complexities of the system here decided to do a runner with all my paperwork. I know she had had a car accident and had been seeing a doctor, but I never expected her to do this.

Your first post did generate a certain amount of 'Uh-Oh' for me. And ''not again.' On the backstabbing front, there was already a lot of it about last year. The transit Neptune square Mars good for the old artwork, but not so good as far as the day job went. The long Neptune-Saturn opposition. To be honest though, the thing I am still very not over, is what happened on another forum, where a lot of people, some of whom were supposedly firends, did all turn against me, deciding I was making some cowardly unAmerican attempt to set up coups and get rid of their moderator. So I know that you are supposed to see All Transits as Great Opportunities for Growth and Unfoldment etc etc, the thought of more grief like that was more like waiting for the next bout of torture.....

As for scaling down and living on less: that is exactly what I want to do. Out of having cash but no time, or time with less cash, the latter seems a whole lot more appealing with me. As is the prospect of dealing less idiots like the ones I saw earlier this week, where the owner now does not want to talk to me at all, but translate everything through her colleague. I have dealt with lawyers, accountants, people from all walks of life in their own language for some years now, so I really don't know what this woman's problem can be, other than the fact that he methods of payment are one of the most incomprehensibly anal I have ever encountered. The colleague was apologetic, telling me she may be being strange because she is pregnant.

And the thought of some kind of a career change does still appeal.

[Kingsley]

Personally I would never take on a Saturn-Pluto person and expect to win unless I had some very good support.

Go for it with the job thing, life is too short. I am in my Saturn Moon Fidaria and with Saturn transitting the 4th cusp I am doing the "ending thing" too. Not easy however the The Jupiter period starts in a few months.

best

Kingsley

[capri1983]

Hello!

I am new to astrology and to this forum and I could really use some guidance...

In my natal chart there are many Pluto aspects, which I am about to experience.

I don't know if I' m posting at the right place, but I would like to ask where or how I can find a chart, in order to see when Pluto meets my natal planets and its aspects...:34:

Thank you!

[universal]

...And away we go! Contrary to the info on this site's 'Click to get live astrology chart', I understand Pluto enters Capricorn at 10:44 Eastern time tonite! As previously mentioned, this might not be the greatest transit I myself have ever had (gross understatement, not looking too good with mighty Pluto now opposite my ruling planet Venus), but hey, I'm up for it, and wishing everybody in the community ...enlightenment. We at least deserve that!
It kind of feels like New Year's Eve to me right now. Waiting for that ball (of ice?) to drop down...I guess if Pluto makes earth folk get real and wipes out all the existent BS, hey more power to it. If it's the janitor of the universe, it's probably here because we need clean up on aisle # 3, etc. Like Dylan said, maybe, hard rain gonna fall, but the aftermath may reveal some really precious, worth-it things. Smile on your brother, everybody get together...

[L.C.]

I'm about to get hit with a transiting Pluto in Capricorn and 5th opposing my natal Saturn conjunct Mars in 11th and Cancer.

I imagine this means I will be tranforming the groups I associate with through my hobbies and recreational activities?

[lightofbrian]

I am extremely (can't stress that enough) novice at astrology. I am trying to learn but am not even close to understanding it all. I've always been interested though and told I was an astrologer in a past life. Go figure; you would think I'd learn a little quicker, eh? Anyways....

Pluto has just entered my first house. I've posted on another thread - I'm a medium. Amazon, I am NOT looking forward to the things you and others have mentioned. Is it harder than Pluto in the 12th house? I never even realized Pluto was in my 12th. My AC is Capricorn. Here is my birthdate info:

Nov. 1, 1963
York, PA
11:42 AM

If anyone can help with what I should expect it is much appreciated. Any lessons in astrology is appreciated too! -Just not too much mumbo jumbo or my brain shuts down. LOL :o

[tikana]

hi peeps

me has pluto oppose mars

believe me this is the coolest transit so far .. i got some itneresting stuff .. ROFLMAO

TOO COOL! WAY COOL! 2 of my dreams will come true pretty soon I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE

T

[wilsontc]

light,

You said:
Any lessons in astrology is appreciated too! -Just not too much mumbo jumbo or my brain shuts down.

Real simple lessons in astrology are in the link at the bottom of this post.

Mumbo jumbo-free, ;)

Tim

[Natasha]

My Libra Moon is experiancing Pluto this year. Had the first exact hit back in Feb.

Just for interest of those having pluto transits - it has been most powerful experiance.

I was talking to another astrologer who explained that Pluto transiting the moon is the only time (thats what they said) that we can access & change those old emotional patterns & internal metaphors.

This was most encouraging & see it as the opportunity of a lifetime to access my own old emotional patterns & internal metaphors which are no longer helpful to me

Still outer events do occur - big dramas going on with grandparents getting old & moving to the next stage of their lives into a retirement hospice due to gran needing full time medical care now and grandpa unable to look after her any more (which is what he wanted) due to a fall he had (which got him into hospital)

So lots of letting go not only for them but large changes for my aunt & mother & the whole family.

The family dynamics have come to the fore and its an opportunity thru that to change some of the old patterns of the family & of individual family members. Highly charged emotional discussions (in empathy) with cousins aunts parents

Busy times seeing grandpa in hospital. Clearing sales of grandparents home.

If there is one thing which keeps ones ducks in a row in this time is reminding onself that looking at things as right or wrong, black or white, good or bad is not helpful.

Observing & understanding our fellow family members is a much more helpful way to go.

Its interesting to observe that Pluto has been within 1 degree orb of my moon since start of Feb and the transit has continued. It tailed off for tempory relief immediatley after the exact. But with the station turning retrograde the energy raised up and more developements occurred

its interesting to note that on the first hit the stage was set
the retrograde is revisiting & embellishing
and potentially the final hit in december will mark an outcome

Found one needs to prioritize ones energies at this time & let any trivial issues or trivial power plays just roll by without wasting good energy on them. One needs to hold the energy so as to focus on the Le Biggee issue which the god (Pluto) has brought to our door

Interesting & potentially transforming for all the family
May I add that many many family members are currently being touched by Pluto

[HH]

I am going thru Pluto ****! My Dsc is 28 Sag so I've had Pluto doing the tango over that spot for awhile. I do have part of fortune at 28 Sag and north node at 3 Cap so it shouldn't be a totally negative experience but so far it has been really rough. It has been difficult since Pluto got to 26 Sag. I've experienced several relationship entanglements that are very plutonic: one person was verbally abusive and sees everything as a power struggle, another person is very underhanded, negative, controlling, paranoid and also verbally abusive and into power, another person presents themselves well but underneath is manipulative. A favorite tactic of each of them is to accuse others of what they are guilty of. Several of these relationships involve financial manipulation and two of these people have worked to divide others against me. Also in several instances these folks are playing with very important resources in my life - limited finances, family, professional reputation, my entire social network. I have serious health problems (thanks pluto in the 6th) and the stress from all this concerns me. I am exhausted and I think that is part of their game. On the positive side, I am learning how to deal with folks who are like this and not poison myself with resentment and feeling victimized but it has really been exhausting and at times challenging my faith in people. Plus I have never felt so alone. I wouldn't wish this on anyone!

Here is my question: when will it END? Will it be when Pluto doesn't pass back over 3 capricorn anymore? That's not until late 2010! Should the worst of it be the first pass over 3 Cap?
I do have Mars at 7 Taurus which will be a trine and eventually (if I survive!) Pluto will be at 18 which trines my moon, sextiles my sun and saturn and opposes Jupiter on my 8th house cusp which actually sounds positive. Am I missing any minor but potent aspects it is making now or will make? When will it END?


3/8/55 12:20 pm EST Chattanooga TN

[rubyelixir]

HOLY SYNCHRONICITY BATMAN!

PLUTO, that tiny little insignificant body that packs a jumbo wallop, is now transiting my 4th house stellium & I posted for feedback on the Astrology Now thread. I guess I shoulda been here too.

It will be interesting to see who I am once I emerge from the EXTREME makeover ;o)

Here are my stats:

I started a thread on the Galactic center over a year ago & since then Pluto has entered into my 4th house which is at 27 Sag
My 5 planet stellium starts in the 4th
Capricorn beginning with th GC point at 0
Venus @5, Mars @6, Sun @ 11, Merc @ 21
then into the 5th w/ Sat @ 29 & Jup @ 10 AQU

Needless to say its been a bumpy ride so far:

pluto now being at 1 cap.r, passing over my 'galactic center point"

its been rather plutonian;
I lost my job
moved to ca
my dad died
moved to fl
wrecked my car
my 5 yo son fell off the roof and ended up in the hosp(he is perfectly fine tho , thank goodness! turns out he's made of rubber!)
spent oodles of money
will end up back in school for graphics design starting next month

& this is only the beginning!

Should the Orb be looked at for pluto Transits or should just the exact conjunction be considered?

Anyone else with major Capricorn or 4th house Pluto insight?

Interested on feedback, thanks ;o)

[aquarius7000]

HOLY SYNCHRONICITY BATMAN!

PLUTO, that tiny little insignificant body that packs a jumbo wallop, is now transiting my 4th house stellium & I posted for feedback on the Astrology Now thread. I guess I shoulda been here too.

It will be interesting to see who I am once I emerge from the EXTREME makeover ;o)

Here are my stats:

I started a thread on the Galactic center over a year ago & since then Pluto has entered into my 4th house which is at 27 Sag
My 5 planet stellium starts in the 4th
Capricorn beginning with th GC point at 0
Venus @5, Mars @6, Sun @ 11, Merc @ 21
then into the 5th w/ Sat @ 29 & Jup @ 10 AQU

Needless to say its been a bumpy ride so far:

pluto now being at 1 cap.r, passing over my 'galactic center point"

its been rather plutonian;
I lost my job
moved to ca
my dad died
moved to fl
wrecked my car
my 5 yo son fell off the roof and ended up in the hosp(he is perfectly fine tho , thank goodness! turns out he's made of rubber!)
spent oodles of money
will end up back in school for graphics design starting next month

& this is only the beginning!

Should the Orb be looked at for pluto Transits or should just the exact conjunction be considered?

Anyone else with major Capricorn or 4th house Pluto insight?

Interested on feedback, thanks ;o)
You're darn right about the Plutonian Power. Since 3/4th of my 4th house falls in to Sag. and the 5th start in Sag; I had Pluto hovering over my 4th (4th houses my Nept & n-Node); I lost 2 of of my grandparents, shifted home several times; left home country (though due to scholarship; changing continents; faced mobbing at all work places and 2005, with Pluto sq my 8th jouse Jupiter- I almost went bankrupt. Well, weren't very easy years; but thank heavens & touch wood, no drastic losses to report.

[rubyelixir]

with Pluto squ. my 8th jouse Jupiter- I almost went bankrupt (got 'obsessed' with ... and spent big figures on...). Well, weren't very easy years; but thank heavens & touch wood, no drastic losses to report.

GEEZ
well, I dont have any 8th house issues to deal with thank goodness BUT i think the approaching conjuntion to Venus is making me very nervous about money. I have more than I ever had but its not really touchable as it in retirement account but I think the psychological foundation of my value system, how i view money, how i value myself , & the belief system that was instilled in me from childhood, will be shaken to the core & it is already.
Even though it feels awful & I am a nervous wreck, I know its all for the good later. I am nervous because I will be going into debt to take out a loan to go to school fulltime. Its freaking me out but I really need to see it as an investment in my future. One I believe will payoff when Pluto hits my Sun (11 Cap) its my Dad's voice in my head that I need to Exorcise (Is Exorcism ruled by Pluto?)Its NOT serving me.

Here's an interesting quote from Eleanor Buckwalter site about the 4th house:
"The sign on the cusp and the planets in this house describe our nurturing parent. Some say it is the mother in a man's chart and the father in a woman's. I have found it depends on the individual chart, for the fourth and tenth houses together represent the parental complex. It contains the symbols and myths we hold about our family, its traditions, and ourselves. The fourth is our most private, intimate self. It shows who we are when "at home with our shoes off." It includes our attitudes toward roommates, family of procreation, spouse and children, and pet animals that serve as surrogate babies. It often represents the first child, especially in a woman’s chart.
When a person has the Sun in the fourth house he has an inner core of self-confidence.The world of ideas is the foundation of being when Mercury is here. Venus often correlates with inherited artistic talent and a need for peace and harmony. Mars gives reserves of physical vitality and is an indicator of possible violence in the early home life; at least one parent had a temper."

Transiting Pluto will hit ALL of this in my 4th & the venus & nuturing parent thing is definitely shaken to the core for me now. My 4th house Venus "need for peace and harmony" I think will finally become a reality by the time Pluto leaves my Venus as well as healed. It was very true for me that the Mars "one parent had a temper." I am female & the first child AND the so-called "nurturing parent" was my dad who was also the one with the temper and was artistic but did not feel that being artistic could make money. Pluto passed over the cusp and into my 4th house when he died & left me his house. Now is the healing time. Its VERY difficult. But Thank GOODNESS for Astrology so that I can understand this time better & see it as a time of transformation, power and paving a way for a much more positive future!

[aquarius7000]

GEEZ
well, I dont have any 8th house issues to deal with thank goodness BUT i think the approaching conjuntion to Venus is making me very nervous about money. I have more than I ever had but its not really touchable as it in retirement account but I think the psychological foundation of my value system, how i view money, how i value myself , & the belief system that was instilled in me from childhood, will be shaken to the core & it is already.
Even though it feels awful & I am a nervous wreck, I know its all for the good later. I am nervous because I will be going into debt to take out a loan to go to school fulltime. Its freaking me out but I really need to see it as an investment in my future. One I believe will payoff when Pluto hits my Sun (11 Cap) its my Dad's voice in my head that I need to Exorcise (Is Exorcism ruled by Pluto?)Its NOT serving me.

Here's an interesting quote from Eleanor Buckwalter site about the 4th house:
"The sign on the cusp and the planets in this house describe our nurturing parent. Some say it is the mother in a man's chart and the father in a woman's. I have found it depends on the individual chart, for the fourth and tenth houses together represent the parental complex. It contains the symbols and myths we hold about our family, its traditions, and ourselves. The fourth is our most private, intimate self. It shows who we are when "at home with our shoes off." It includes our attitudes toward roommates, family of procreation, spouse and children, and pet animals that serve as surrogate babies. It often represents the first child, especially in a woman’s chart.
When a person has the Sun in the fourth house he has an inner core of self-confidence.The world of ideas is the foundation of being when Mercury is here. Venus often correlates with inherited artistic talent and a need for peace and harmony. Mars gives reserves of physical vitality and is an indicator of possible violence in the early home life; at least one parent had a temper."

Transiting Pluto will hit ALL of this in my 4th & the venus & nuturing parent thing is definitely shaken to the core for me now. My 4th house Venus "need for peace and harmony" I think will finally become a reality by the time Pluto leaves my Venus as well as healed. It was very true for me that the Mars "one parent had a temper." I am female & the first child AND the so-called "nurturing parent" was my dad who was also the one with the temper and was artistic but did not feel that being artistic could make money. Pluto passed over the cusp and into my 4th house when he died & left me his house. Now is the healing time. Its VERY difficult. But Thank GOODNESS for Astrology so that I can understand this time better & see it as a time of transformation, power and paving a way for a much more positive future!
Will keep my response short and sweet for you :)
Pluto conjuncting your Venus is not a bad aspect; it will only intensify all that Venus stands for and what the house in itself (4th in your case) standss for.
It might also bring to the surface your roots/ ancestory and such issues.

[rubyelixir]

Will keep my response short and sweet for you :)
Pluto conjuncting your Venus is not a bad aspect; it will only intensify all that Venus stands for and what the house in itself (4th in your case) standss for.
It might also bring to the surface your roots/ ancestory and such issues.

Yes and Thank you AQU7000
Venus transits generally are not bad at all.
The intensity is in that my CAP Stellium is in the 4th house, it begins with Venus at 5 degrees but anything that touches her, hits everything else like dominos (Mars 6, Sun 11, Merc 21, Sat 29) So its not just a sweet little Beverly Hills face lift for me, its a transformation down to the essence. Its all good, but definitely not easy.

Is anyone else experiencing a 4th house Pluto transit? I'd like to compare notes ;o)

[zohra]

i am experiencing the 10th house, how does it feel? well it started strangely since last year left a job which i hated after 1 month due to strained relationship with my peers (hate the, did not like their attitude of power and control). Find a new role with all 12H related (work for Trust). I do finance but in a much drastic way, I decide, i control and I have the power of persuation. I manipulate outcome with investment, i MEET chabby bankers, chabby bidders and all in a strange scenery, no longtime ago one of those bidders were mentioned in fraud scandal in BBC:59:

I make more money more than expected, i accumulate the hours of working (for raining day) no, i gamble all (did not have this attitude 3 years ago while all my life crumble on my feet)

here the path of events while Pluto was in 9th house
feb 2005 (become irrational, depressive, hurt with my work) doctor signed me as depressive.
May 2005 (take my management for disciplinary actions, abuse of power and harassement

aug 2005- found my husband in compromise situation, kick him out naked on the street (saturn conjonct moon) Moon ruler of 5th
aug 2005 still dealing with work issues

oct 2005, family court, fight for the kids, while the ex wants to kick us out of the house (invested in the house, but unnamed on the deed) what a shame
Jupiter conjonct Neptune in 8H (time of confusion, loneliness, and cry)

Nov 2005 go back to court for visiting rights (i have no problem) to stress out, can't handle things, no moral support but i need to control

Nov 2005 ex wants residence status (hence house hence kids)

Dec 2005 Kids force to come to court to decide (ex and his solicitor nasty dealing)

Jan 2006 (resign from my work, too much stress)

Jan 2006 go back to court for decision (ex lost his appeal, kids stay with me and in the house

Feb 2006 ex tries to sale the house behind our back (go back to court to stop sale) win however agree to buy back his share

March to sept 2006 (found a job to raise a mortgage too many dealings with administration, scared and fighted to get a mortgage)

Sept 2006 won the mortgage get back back the house for the kids, find a new job until sept 2007

jupiter joining pluto in 9th house in dec meet a new guy, started slowly the relationship (scared to give 18years of my life, do not trust anymore, more prudent, more feets on the ground

sept 2007 started to feel influence of plutonian (enemy in the background to end my contract, they won)

oct 2007 my ex boss offered me 4 weeks payment as a gesture of goodwill (i was a subcontractor)

nov 2007 went back to an organisation where power is the modo, hated them, their pettiness, slaminess and gossip, need to go, i am suffering more as an human now than before. Anxieties attack, nightmare, panic, i did not want to wake up to work (but needed to do it to pay mortgage)

I hated it

dec 2007 left the role and went were I am now

my concept of profession and career as change, i want control, i want power and i want to decide, in some ways i have influenced those executives to lenghten my contract, i manipulate my hours, my money, i started to gamble on line:60: i do not why! just was attracted to do it

and how pluto sextile venus (i have changed as a woman, want pleasure and be pleased, my current relationship is becoming so intense, so physically and sexualy rewardings. I love it, I control again, i see him when i want, i do not want him living with me.

It is my life, my time, my needs i am focussing with. and again it is control. Pluto has provided a mean to reassess and transform 18 years of habit, of behaviour, and personality. The bulldozer has turn the soil and fertilise it with a new seed, different species unknow to us

where i am going unsure (again anxieties) but it is in my 10th house, tranforming what i know, and ho i am learning a new skills INVESTMENT (Pluto ruler of 8th house) and it is conjonct Jupiter NT in 7th house but it is limit my 6th house

so i will tell you more in 10 years time:60:

[Aqualady]

Hello all, I am new to this board and would like some thoughts on my upcoming Pluto rainstorm or perhaps volcano :D . I have Pluto at 27 in Virgo (5th). Around February of 2009 I will have transiting Pluto opposing my Ascendant (2 Cancer), squaring my natal Mars (2 Aries, 11th) and trine to my natal Saturn (2 Taurus, 11th). I am a little worried as I have a Pluto/Mars opposition natally. Around this time I will also have:

Prog Moon conjunct Prog Venus
Progressed Mercury conjunct Juno
Progressed Sun conjunct Progressed Ceres
Transiting Jupiter conjunct Sun & Venus
Transiting Jupiter Trine Uranus
Transiting True Node conjunct Sun & Venus

Do you think these helpful aspects (I am not very familiar with the influences of asteroids) can soften a potentially crazy time. I have always felt Uranus, Jupiter and Saturn transits but have never really noticed how Pluto works in my chart. I am not married but I am involved with someone so I am not sure how this 7th house transit will affect me. Any opinions would be very much appreciated. Thanks, happy to have found this group! :)

[webhanuma]

too private

[rubyelixir]

[QUOTE]

"Pluto hits again and that hurt MUCH more. Venus -ruler of my 6th -I was BADLY ill... due to that Ne in my 7th I was never properly diagnosed, but symptoms were various (mostly gynecological since natal Ve is in Pisces) I started losing weight, liver, kidneys +gyn. troubles were just the tip of the iceberg."


"Life changing attitudes are a must with Pluto, pain also, but it brings such joy when you change... it gives you birth or rebirth each time it touches one of your personal planets as it touches your soul."

[QUOTE]

Well webhanuma Very intense, very Plutonian. But you know , there are MANY ways to look at something. As far as I can see, you have given yourself your own diagnosis , and I think , more accurate, interpretation in the "Life Changing attitudes..." quote.
,
First, are you feeling any better with that "other" relationship over? & IS it over? If you are to look at health from a holistic perspective, undiagnosed female troubles usually are symptomatic of poisonous sexual relationship. Being unconscious of your own ability to defend yourself in psychological manipulation and power struggles (pluto) could leave you feeling powerless & to a certain degree "raped". Particularly with a person you have been intimate with- not just physically but emotionally as well. This might manifest as those Gynecological issues. So are those problems over now? If not , perhaps it would be a good time to seek therapy on this. As Pluto brings the power to transform old hurts & weaknesses into strengths if you can consciously recognize your responsibility to yourself and become stronger as to self protection and self worth.

This is partcularly urgent for you as I see that you are left from the previous experience with lots of self doubt & foreboding. This quote is disconcerting to me:

"Unfortunately I have met .. someone who was there all the time for me, and I know this is not the good time to have a family... since I might leave him (even if not dead my solar chart is pointing to hospitalization in 2011 -at best). I don't have the strength to discuss it with him, and he has such an urge to have a child with me that I get to wonder whether it's a sign which I don't know how to interpret."

Why on earth would you look at this as unfortunate? How could meeting a person such as this (there for you) possibly be bad??? Hospitalization? couldn't that mean a child? I mean, I had mine in the hospital ;oP Isn't that a positive hospitalization??
Webhanuma, Therapy could help you muster the "strength" to discuss it with him. Isn't this what you so badly want? You are on the verge of healing.I can see that. Sometimes we just need a teacher to help us understand. Thats all you need right now & your life is bound to change dramatically.

[emilyelizabeth]

PLUTO TRANSITING YOUR 8TH HOUSE (approx. 14-30 years duration)
You may desire more control over security issues during this period. You may feel emotionally or physically threatened through natural disasters or forces beyond your personal control. Sexual drive and appeal is stimulated along with the survival urge. A death may motivate you to take greater precautions. You may be more involved in joint finances, corporate business, insurance, wills, inheritance, taxes, and alimony at this time.

This definition resonates with me. I'm wondering what book this is excerpted from please? Thanks, Amazon!

Amazon[/quote]

[archergirl]

I have just finished a Sun/Venus-Pluto conjunction, although Pluto keeps insisting on retrograding back over my Sun (three times, I think, as my Sun is at 26 Sadge). This transit got the heaviest in 2003 when Pluto was over my Venus; by the time Pluto got to my Sun I was already used to it.:D This was also a time of my Pluto-Pluto square, so it has been a fairly hairy several years.

Pluto/Venus was the worst for me; I have the Sun/Venus in the 11th house, trining a 3rd house Moon/Saturn. My marriage nearly fell apart, and at the time I didn't particularly care except that I had an infant and a toddler, and I was a full-time university student (a rather old one:D ).

I had an affair with my best (male) friend at the time, which kind of happened out of nowhere; we were extremely compatible on most levels, more levels probably than either of us were with our respective spouses, but it still took me by surprise. Needless to say, it ended badly several months later when I finally 'fessed up to Mr. Archergirl (who suspected all along), and he is of course no longer my friend. 11th house rules, OK!

I also reconnected with the love of my life during this same period; when we met back in 1996 I had been married for 6 months and he was just about to get married, and we had kept a thread of connection despite many years of separation. This relationship blew away every semblance of dignity and control I [thought I] had; I was utterly powerless to stop this thing or the passion it evoked; I couldn't, as hard as I tried, keep any sort of objective reasoning about it. This was the quintessential Venus/Pluto symbolism at work. In the end, right when the Venus/Pluto aspect was separating, I broke off the relationship before it totally destroyed both of us, but it took me another two years (the time it took for Pluto to conjunct my Sun) to really recover from it; and I kept trying to go back to him and restart it (luckily, he was smart enough to refuse).

As Pluto conjuncted my Sun (and trined my Moon/Saturn), I got back in touch with my biological father, whom I hadn't seen in 23 years; and we discovered that we were more similar than different. I also, for the first time ever, went into counselling, where I was able to weave together all the threads I had been holding, and get a complete picture of my past and my upbringing. This was very healing for me, and helped me to work out my other relationship issues (reference the previous transit) and heal the worst damage to my marriage, which has proven remarkably durable despite all the odds.

I am thankful I won't have these particular transits ever again, in this lifetime, at least. I had always felt that people never really fundamentally change deep inside; but these transits proved me wrong. I did a 180-degree turnabout in the way I looked at, and reacted to, the world.

Pluto transits are INTENSE. But my goodness, a lot of good can come out of them. The good can really only be seen in retrospect, I think, as when you're in the middle of it you can't seem to see anything. Having had the Venus transit, I sort of knew what to look for during the Sun transit, which helped me stay a little more detached than I might have been.

AG:)

[Neptune Rising]

In synastry with two guys I know, we each have Juno at 29 degrees Pisces. In one composite Juno is conjunct Ceres, and in the other composite Juno conjunct Chiron. When Pluto retrograded back into 29 degrees Sag and exactly squared Juno/Ceres, our friendship kind of broke up, it definately completely changed. Now I'm wondering what transiting Pluto square the other composite Juno/Chiron will bring! :eek:

Squares certainly bring action.

NR

[Claire19]

I dont use Ceres and Juno and you will find that Pluto was hitting some other planet I imagine. Squares are more internal and need re-adjustment in a basically disharmonious aspect. We can manage them and use them for progress. Have a look at your natal chart also.

[Claire19]

PLUTO TRANSITING YOUR 8TH HOUSE (approx. 14-30 years duration)
You may desire more control over security issues during this period. You may feel emotionally or physically threatened through natural disasters or forces beyond your personal control. Sexual drive and appeal is stimulated along with the survival urge. A death may motivate you to take greater precautions. You may be more involved in joint finances, corporate business, insurance, wills, inheritance, taxes, and alimony at this time.

This definition resonates with me. I'm wondering what book this is excerpted from please? Thanks, Amazon!

Amazon[/quote]

Pluto is in its natural house in the 8th and all the more powerful. YOu need to have it aspecting other planets for a fuller picture. It is a planet of slow and profound change.

I agree with the quote above.

[emilyelizabeth]

Pluto is now in opposition to my Sun which is 0 degrees Cancer. The effects have been, well, diverse and amazingly intense (of course). Yes, the quote is accurate.

(I'm looking for the book that this quote came from. If you know the book, if you would please be so kind to share the name, and thank you in advance.)

EE

[Lissa]

I went through the Pluto trine Venus not long ago(my Venus is27º49'Aries,4th house).Maybe I'm still going through it.Sex,sex,sex-it's all this transit is about.I kept(keep)bumping into guys who want nothing but sex,no matter what their ages were,something which was quite scary when I was a little bit younger.At the same time,I was going through the Pluto opposite Mars,so you see,I obviously ended up losing my virginity under these astral configurations.Most of the times,when I was talking to a guy,the conversation ended up heading towards sex,something which really grosses me out.It's been really hard for me to meet nice guys,most of the times when I meet a new guy I need to rule him out immediatly because the conversation starts getting a little heavy and that's not what I'm looking for(for God's sake...I'm only17!).Even the nice guys(the ones everyone considers to be kind and respectful)somehow feel the need to show me their 'other side'.I have a very mental Mars and no proeminent 8th house/5th house in my chart so my assigning all this sex madness to Pluto.

[Claire19]

So Pluto was transitting your 12th house trining Venus in 4th? Well is there an aspect natally between those two planets? What you describe I dont see pertaining to the sexual thing. Just being 17 is enough!!! Did you meet these guys at church or connected to the family or at home??

With the trine you should have been more open to the influences. So it was probably something else. Put your chart here and we can look at it, if you like.

:)

[Lissa]

Hi Claire,

My chart is in my signature.I thought the Pluto trine Venus and Pluto opposite Mars were sexual transits.I certainly expected these Pluto transits to bring transformation on a deeper psychological level,but no,not really.I've experienced serious power issues with a particular guy,though.My natal Pluto and Venus don't touch each other by the way.

[Shining Ray]

It seems like years ago now when I experienced lots of Pluto transits, at the moment I have Uranus transiting over Moon/Mercury, and Saturn around the asc ready for my Saturn return. And life is certainly changing for me, I am finally getting out of this house. I have wanted to be out of this house for a long time, I experienced my Pluto transits here with an ex partner and the relationship certainly went through it's power struggles, abuse, and intensity.

Pluto transited my 4th house:
Pluto squared Sun/Saturn 1st/7th house natal aspect
Pluto squared Moon/Mercury/7th and conjunct Neptune 4th
Pluto on all the angles

I also had Saturn transiting my 8th oppose 2nd house Pluto when my father died. It's always been really tough with Pluto transits, It is definatly a force to be reckoned with. I don't consider myself a Plutonian person at all, though it seems to fall unconscious in my personality at times. And some of Pluto's themes scare me if I am honest.

[a3hourtour]

Kite:
Your chart has some similarities to mine.
I have Sag sun in the 10th at 18 degrees, too.
So Pluto hit my sun about when it hit yours- it also hit marriage issues (sun rules 7th for me, too with leo on decendant.)

In my case, Saturn was also transiting my moon by conjunction and Uranus was hitting my ascendant. That trifecta meant divorce.
Followed by nearly crippling depression.

In 74, when Saturn was last going over my moon (28 Gemini) my father died. So that one is never easy, I guess.

Now, Pluto is entering the 11th house for me, but meanwhile, opposing my moon and mars is squaring the whole of it.
Effects?
I'm not sure yet...
I am not in a vulnerable position, that I know of- so I am not sure where it can hurt me. (famous last words, perhaps)

I am being careful on the road- esp with a newish scooter and a brand new motorcycle license (as of today!)

And school is resuming in a week (bummer!) so I have to go back to work.
(6th house activities?? for me: cancer... Hello, Saturn!)

[Nexus7]

Yes well - thanks Kingsley earlier on for not trying to spook me too much over the potential ramifications for losses, ruin, Doomed-I-say predictions, I am holiday in the UK right now, with loaded questions from my very dyed-in -the-wool family and their friends in the wake of their golden celebrations about Where I am Going, as Pluto conjuncts Saturn and squares the Midheaven, as Mars transits Mc likewise. I havn't felt too murderous too often, yet, though all this talk about people on benefits living the life of riley, whilst they as taxpayers.....That is the UK for you.

Now the Hungarian taxman has not only taken all my dough, but dough I don't have and my landlady did a good job of doomed-doomed-I-say just before I left, the bailiffs knocking at the door already.

But whatever. I am glad I left the UK in the end, most especially the neighbourhood I used to live in, having talked to one or two people who still live there and who clearly feel so violated after seeing their homes knocked down in the so-called 'democratic' consultation supposedly there to ask them what they really wanted and bulldozing rather more than their feelings in the process after decisons on high were made. Glad I did not have to live to see that, that is all.

Yet the world of Art for Art's sake still does beckon, and beckon again.

[Nexus7]

Tarnas wrote a lot on natal Saturn-Pluto aspects, which made a real eye-opener for me, it explained a lot, but I have a trine natally, rather than, say, a square. But it looks like a lot of people will be having a crunch sort of time in many countries, especially next year, with the line-up between Saturn, Uranus and Pluto, the last time of which was when...erm, about the time of the Wall St Crash...

[Kingsley]

Good to hear from you Nexus, I love your waxing lyrical posts even though I am not sure exactly what you are saying here. I think you are making a comment about your family. You do have such a creative way telling it how it is. The bulldozers you say? That does sound like Pluto Saturn. I hope I didn't bulldoze you back then? I will have to find my post again to catch up with you.

Best of luck

Kingsley

[Kingsley]

why don't you come down to Australia Nexus?

Art for arts sake sounds exciting.

k

[Nexus7]

Well, Kinglsey, I am virtually in Australia at least - got a profile on Red Bubble. As for waxing lyrical, I was stuck out in a library in the middle of nowhere with only 45 minutes and a guilt-tripping middle-aged librarian with a strong pastoral leanings who made me feel totally selfish for doing the 'please sir can I have more' in the afternoon, regarding getting back on a PC. After all, there may be local Good Citizens with need for cyberspace even more pressing for mine, relatives with terminal cancer to log onto, etc, etc.

Then I was not allowed to log onto this glorious astrology site because the freebie wifi service in good ole Mac's won't let you access occult sites, cos it might irrecocably harm my tender soul and psyche.

Bit late for that...

This country is Unbelievable.

Not sure which is worse - this pseudo-pastoralism, where the bulldozers have velvet padding before they knock your neighbourhood down, or rabid Tories, which is what you get with darkest Middle England. Still, I did get to see a dodgier reality yet..check out my blogs for what I am on about there. Plutonic Jungian shadows and hate coming ciming out....Check out my astrology pages too, if you want. As far as Pluto transits go - well, I was gutted on finding out what had happened to where I used to live, though I had also been watching one or two demolitions in Budapest and getting a little inspiration from that.

All Can be Seen via the round window, the arched window (ok waxing metaphorical now, of course I mean links) at http://www.geocities.com/lyndastevens

Is there a thread somewhere that has the charts of countries and if so, what store do folks here put on them?

And as for emigrating again you never know, but will Oz have me? I'm 50 next.

Still - do have a Jupiter Asc line on the South-East quadrant, but that might just mean that I would get fat if I moved there.

[StarNur]

trPluto conjunct Venus.
Obsessive in love...is it love? Im an Aquarian...but when it comes to love(?) or romantic relationships I lose all reason and logic. Venus conj Neptune in the 7th. I think about love/relationships 24/7, so much that its not healthy. Pluto has retrograded back to Sag and is conj my Venus again...Ive lost my mind again...I think Ive fell for a guy who is not stable and is not as in love (or rather obsessive) as I am with him. Im worried this is a temporary feeling and that after this transit the roles will reverse. I cant stand this feeling..I feel like im getting angina and im only 29 y.o. Hes ignoring me now cuz Im like this...I wont fool around. I need an answer hes either in a relationship with me or not. Scary thing is that if he agrees I have a nasty Saturn return with transiting Saturn square my Venus/Neptune and opp my Moon in the next year and a half, as well as transiting Uranus square my Venus/Neptune for the next two years. Its better I not enter any relationship for the next two years. This is depressing cuz i want to get married already and have kids.

[Kingsley]

Oh, you poor thing Starnur. You are really copping that Pluto transit at the moment. Your poor Venus neptune too. Hang in there, I understand the anxiety you might be experiencing at the moment.

kingsley

[pallas]

Kite:
Your chart has some similarities to mine.
I have Sag sun in the 10th at 18 degrees, too.
So Pluto hit my sun about when it hit yours- it also hit marriage issues (sun rules 7th for me, too with leo on decendant.)

In my case, Saturn was also transiting my moon by conjunction and Uranus was hitting my ascendant. That trifecta meant divorce.
Followed by nearly crippling depression.

In 74, when Saturn was last going over my moon (28 Gemini) my father died. So that one is never easy, I guess.

Now, Pluto is entering the 11th house for me, but meanwhile, opposing my moon and mars is squaring the whole of it.
Effects?
I'm not sure yet...
I am not in a vulnerable position, that I know of- so I am not sure where it can hurt me. (famous last words, perhaps)

I am being careful on the road- esp with a newish scooter and a brand new motorcycle license (as of today!)

And school is resuming in a week (bummer!) so I have to go back to work.
(6th house activities?? for me: cancer... Hello, Saturn!)

The 11th house rules the ankles and lower legs so be extra careful
with that mototcycle. Also influences your friends and your relationships
with them...ending some and beginning others.
Moon/Pluto opposition can bring about either you or someone else (mother,
girlfriend or other woman) as being "Over Protective" to the
point of infringing on your freedom..or you could be the over protective
one with someone else...I have this position in my natal chart so
I am very familiar with it.
Pallas

[pallas]

trPluto conjunct Venus.
Obsessive in love...is it love? Im an Aquarian...but when it comes to love(?) or romantic relationships I lose all reason and logic. Venus conj Neptune in the 7th. I think about love/relationships 24/7, so much that its not healthy. Pluto has retrograded back to Sag and is conj my Venus again...Ive lost my mind again...I think Ive fell for a guy who is not stable and is not as in love (or rather obsessive) as I am with him. Im worried this is a temporary feeling and that after this transit the roles will reverse. I cant stand this feeling..I feel like im getting angina and im only 29 y.o. Hes ignoring me now cuz Im like this...I wont fool around. I need an answer hes either in a relationship with me or not. Scary thing is that if he agrees I have a nasty Saturn return with transiting Saturn square my Venus/Neptune and opp my Moon in the next year and a half, as well as transiting Uranus square my Venus/Neptune for the next two years. Its better I not enter any relationship for the next two years. This is depressing cuz i want to get married already and have kids.

Recent eclipse in Aqarius/Leo has to do with ending relationships.
No going back kind of thing...seems to be hitting most of the younger
people I know as opposed to the older ones through.

[StarNur]

edited because i wasnt making sense.

At time of the solar eclipse i got quite the shock. By the time of the lunar eclipse i got over it and thought things returned to normal...actually i thought things got better. I didnt realize he had an issue till about three or so days after the lunar eclipse...he started ignoring me and i couldnt understand why.

At the time of the solar eclipse, the sun/moon were opp my sun/mars/mer 10th and conj jupiter 4th.
During the lunar eclipse the sun and moon were in positive angle to my sag venus/neptune.

i dunno whats up...im very very confused.

[Nebula]

Hey Guys, I have a Pluto transit of both Uranus and Saturn coming up. pluto will hit uranus in december, while saturn will happen in early january and last up until may apparently. Pluto is the strongest planet in a stellium with venus and the moon in my scorpio-5th house. Saturn and Uranus are at the very beginning of capricorn in my 6th. Which means the great pluto will also be squaring my mars and my midheaven up in the 10th.
Any idea what I might have in store?

I am a pretty creative guy, and like to act and write lyrics. So my guess is maybe a sudden change to do with work and career opportunities. Or maybe just a profound change within myself. I am a pretty lazy guy as well. So it might affect my actual 'work habits' and cause me to be more responsible.

Any takers?

[Kingsley]

Sounds like a tough one Nebula. I presume you would have already felt the Pluto Uranus contact previously this year before Pluto backed off into Sagittarius? Sounds like some big changes coming up for you where the playing field keeps changing. Perhaps the usual routines will be thing of the past as "things" or other people seem to work against you. They most likely want you to be out of your comfort zone with this one.

Ever thought of making any radical changes in your life? Like joing the armed forces for the heck of it?

kingsley

[Nebula]

Hahaha, hell no. If its one thing I don't believe in, its fighting for the powers that be. Hmm, thats interesting, because I saw an astrologer a couple months back and he said I should've been feeling this uranus/pluto energy since january. I nodded my head like I knew what he was talking about, but afterward I reflected on it and realized I really hadn't been feeling anything.
My dad did say he's planning to 'cut me off' and make me earn all my own money once I turn 20. So maybe that might be part of it. Other than that I have been feeling a bt of a desire to break out of my lazy ways recently. But thats about it. Hmmm, I don't doubt its gonna be a big one. But why haven't I felt it yet if I was supposed to?

[Kingsley]

When Pluto backs off (goes retro) before really making an impact, he is 'allowing' some more time in the scheme of things. Uranus and Saturn hang on pretty tightly together and in that way Uranus is less flexible-reinforced perhaps by Saturn.

Uranus tends to deliver some kind of shock value while Saturn brings the reality to the fore. I cant help but think that Chiron is missing in here somewhere. Chiron is usually creates the bridging between the unknowingness in subconscious realms of Uranus and brings it home to Saturn (the really knowing for sure planet).

Someone said to me the other day about their daughter who is the same age as you, that Pluto going over her Saturn Uranus will be her coming out as a lesbian. I laughed but in all seriousness that is the kind of structural shift that Pluto can manage here. Especialy since Saturn is opposing Uranus now too.

Yes, I can imagine that your allowance being cut off will help break you out of your comfort zone. The rules are about to change it seems. What have you got to say about that? What will you do Nebula?

kingsley

[Nebula]

Hmmm, its interesting that you talk about chiron. In my natal chart, as you may have guessed, Uranus is 0 degrees capricorn, while Saturn is 2. Chiron however is at 5 degrees cancer in my 12th house. So after pluto goes through uranus and saturn, it opposes chiron. From the little I've learned thats a good opportunity for healing, or finding my own spiritual teacher. By the way, man does pluto move slow! It doesn't reach 3 degrees capricorn until this time 2010! What a interesting few years I have coming up for me. lol. The more I think about this the more I realize I may not be the same after this is over with. Hmm, and as for how i'll deal with the whole allowance bit, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I am warming up to the idea that I've got to be more independent and all. Yet the astrologist said my money comes from my creativity (venus and sun in 5th house, with leo on cusp of the 2nd) and that I don't have much temperment for regular, or office type jobs. So I'll have to find a way to be independent while doing something out of the box i guess.

Any other thoughts on how you can see this manifesting? Do you think its square of mars (8 aries) or my midheaven(29 pisces) might factor into the equation as well?

[Kingsley]

Mars is a ways off however like Chiron it does tend to be involved in the whole natal configuration. It is this dynamic which will be set off. Pluto reaching the Midpoint of Saturn - Uranus will also be activated as far as timing goes. Pluto sq the midheaven does tend to create some effect too. It seems that it will take some time for Pluto to transform a Saturn Uranus, which has been building up its resistance to traditional methods- for a very long time. Twenty years in fact.

kingsley

[Night Sky]

Hi,

I have had two Pluto transits coinciding in the last year and a half.

One was T Pluto conjunct N Neptune Sqare N Mars. Neptune is Square Mars Natally, on the Ascendant and IC.


The second one which I have only recently discovered is interesting.


Solar Arc Pluto Conjunct Natal Scorpio Sun.


To me the symbolism of Pluto conjunct Sun in Scorpio is enough to describe the troubles and very difficult feelings which have been part of my life in this period of time beginning in May 2007.


I would like to hear from anyone that has experienced Pluto conjunct Natal Sun via SOLAR ARC. Just to compare notes.

[ag1road]

Hi,
I have read much of the threads posted here as I am anxiously awaiting a scary Pluto opposition to my natal Saturn becoming effective Jan through much of the year. I don't know if anyone has experienced one of these first hand, but hopefully, I can be a little more prepared with the info already given on this post!

Wish me luck!:eek:

[seasand]

hello

I have had pluto transit for years, I have 2 planets in scorpio and 3 more planets in sag, so right now pluto transit a little over. It passed my IC and it is now in capricorn. Many astrologer told me that I was going to move when it passed IC but i didn't move anywhere.
But i really feel very tired right now about my life currently. With pluto I experienced changes in my own psychological situation and I feel that because of pluto I couldn't achieve a stability in my life since I was 18. Many changes happened , making me decide on the ways I will go, and It just left me very tired and without anything. It kind of spoilt my life because I couldn't achieve the stability that was needed for success.

And now as a wreck i will soon welcome my saturn return.

[rogue_red]

could you please post your chart:)

[rogue_red]

Just a quick note though, pluto has just finished transiting your third house which deals with communication, mental processes as well as early learning, siblings and neighbours, immediate environment (neighbourhood) and short journeys. A pluto transit to the 3rd house can be mentally draining. As for being told you would move once pluto was in the 4th house, this is possible but its not all that the 4th house represents. The 4th represents the home environment and how you act there, your roots, the 'lesser' parent, your beginning and your ending years. Pluto is the planet of transformation. Its kind of like plastic surgury for the soul. Its painful, takes a long time to see the end results and is able to transform our (souls) appearance.
Once i can see your chart i'll have a better idea of whats going on.

[tsquare]

I've had an opposition in transit, Pluto transit to natal Venus, for a few years now....it's just lining up exact right now, or getting ready to.
Venus is at 2 degrees cancer.


Natally, I have a slightly wide, but aspected anyhow, neptune opposite venus.

Most intense time, was when pluto was conj Jupiter, both transiting planets, overtop natal neptune, in my 5th house, inconjunct my sun, opposite my natal venus, sextile natal, mars and natal pluto. Trine natal moon in the first house.

I relaly can't deatial all that occured, in total, but I wanted to work on my self expresssion, constantly, it becuame the most important quality to work on.
There was a saturn transit arround that time as well.
natal Moon conj transiting saturn, which wsa trine that jupiter pluto tranitiing conj....I'd have to look at things again but I'm almost certain that occured at the same time.......if not it was at the least Pluto trine that aspect.....jupiter may have moved on.

I'm curious to see just what occures as pluto moves house from my 5th to my 6th house and get's off my natl neptune for good, which it is slghtly still in aspect with, and I would think it intersting to have it move off natal venus, BUt there ware the squares to my libra stellum as it reaches the end of Capricorn, but I have not looked at transit timelines on this.
I wouldn't mind getting some new softwear and just takeing a day to really go over some long term major transits, get them on a calander, and evaluate supposed past major transits, like saturn square saturn, or pluto sextile pluto....I have pluto sextile pluto going on right now, pluto sextile mars........I'm curious about the square....well see how it goes.
Troble is when I do have my pluto square pluto transit, pluto in transit will also square my sun, and mercury, jupiter, mars, and saturn right before a few of the later in libra.....so It shoud be, like ususal intersting times.

TS

[rogue_red]

Hiya Tsquare, Im just coming out of a Tpluto square natal pluto. Thing is T pluto was on my MC and square my asc/desc and natal uranus (which is on my desc). Ohhh the joy:)

[tsquare]

Hiya Tsquare, Im just coming out of a Tpluto square natal pluto. Thing is T pluto was on my MC and square my asc/desc and natal uranus (which is on my desc). Ohhh the joy:)
Ouch?

Anything with Career upheavals, power changes, or shocking turn of events in relationships?

Natal Pluto on the Asc?

[rogue_red]

Natal pluto conj natal uranus (in 6th...just)on the desc:)
Work upsets...yes, I had started a new job, loved it to peices but had to leave when my child care arrangements proved less than acceptable (ie the nanny smoking pot while caring for my baby)
Power changes...yes, had about 6 months where my daughter did her best to imitate satans spawn
Im not sure how this fits in but im convinced its pluto on the MC...have had an ongoing huge issue with tax department, they owed ME money...took 18 months to get it only after they audited me and nearly made me bancrupt.
As for shocking turn of events regarding relationships, when Tpluto first went within orb of square to natal pluto was when I had my major transformation. It was the beginning of the single most important developement i have ever experienced. I loved it:)

P.S Oh and I had my surprise baby, 10 yr gap between her and my other four, she my avatar:)

[windwispers]

pluto will be plowing through my whole third and fourth houses, full of six planets in capricorn. it is currently conjunct uranus, and will in the near future pass mercury, neptune, saturn, sun and then venus...which all manage to make a square to either my libran ascendant or moon. i can already feel it's effects... like a pressure building... life is what you make it, and i just hope i don't **** everything up and fall apart... my parents just recently, and suddenly divorced, which is distracting me from my school work... which may jeopardize my internship. i've been told that i should expect death of some sort...family members, friends... my dad is older and not in such great health. if he left us, i'm pretty positive our family and financial situation would completely fall apart.
like i said life is what you make it... i hope i'm strong and steadfast enough to make it through this.

[tsquare]

Natal pluto conj natal uranus (in 6th...just)on the desc:)
Work upsets...yes, I had started a new job, loved it to peices but had to leave when my child care arrangements proved less than acceptable (ie the nanny smoking pot while caring for my baby)

Ahh, that's to bad.

Power changes...yes, had about 6 months where my daughter did her best to imitate satans spawn

:D

Im not sure how this fits in but im convinced its pluto on the MC...have had an ongoing huge issue with tax department, they owed ME money...took 18 months to get it only after they audited me and nearly made me bancrupt.


Ouch. Never fun to have trouble with bureaucratic financial, criminal institutions.



As for shocking turn of events regarding relationships, when Tpluto first went within orb of square to natal pluto was when I had my major transformation. It was the beginning of the single most important developement i have ever experienced. I loved it:)

Cool!


P.S Oh and I had my surprise baby, 10 yr gap between her and my other four, she my avatar:)

Really? I thought that was you.(joking)
5 kids...sounds wild, congrats.
I have 0. Don't mind it much.
The whole having a kid thing is supposed to change you life in ways unexpected, first time you see it, that kind of thing......I don't know what that is about. I'm patient. lol
I used to think it was just something people said, but it seems there is really something large and magnificent about it.....like, a wow factor...awe....and new connections. A friend of mine just had a kid....I have allot of friends with kids.....creepy looking kid.(joke) little hands, hairy head, making O shapes with it's mouth..strangely attractive, magnetic...they always make me curious, can't figure out what they are trying to say....then they poop.


__________________

[seasand]

Hi,

my birthdate is : 14th december 1980
1:17 am
istanbul turkey,

you can just draw a chart in astro com

it is easier like that

[rogue_red]

i've been told that i should expect death of some sort...family members, friends...

Its completely irresponsible of someone to tell you to expect death during a pluto transit. Ethicly reprehensible. Pluto is destructive but not evil. Most often it is behaviors attitudes and bad habits that die, not necessarily loved ones.:(

[rogue_red]

Hi,

my birthdate is : 14th december 1980
1:17 am
istanbul turkey,

you can just draw a chart in astro com

it is easier like that

Hi there, I had a quick look at your chart and I can see why you want to blame pluto for the lack of stability that you seek but that is not the cause. You have a very strongly place neptune that is on the IC conjunct your sun and this sun/nep conjunction opposes your MC (direction in life). This often contributes to a real sense of being 'lost'. Also you have a pisces moon and pisces is ruled by neptune so once again we see the neptune influence contributing to your lack of stability. The vagueness of neptune coupled with the expansive jupiter (as planet ruler) only adds to this. The ruler of your 3rd house is Mars and your mars is in 4th house but makes no major aspects. Mars is your drive and even though mars is exalted in capricorn it has yet to find root within you. I expect when pluto conjunct mars in the fourth you will find what you are looking for but you must be prepared to engage pluto activly and positivly. The difficulty with this combination is the fact that the ruler of both sun, mercury and neptune (jupiter) is in the first house so you are very aware of this influence. Pluto is in the second house which deals with your values, self esteem and personal resources. Pluto is trying to tell you that the key to stability lies within your own self esteem and your own resources. Your saturn return should help with this but be warned that often the saturn return is felt harder than pluto transits, especially concidering you have been having pluto transits of one sort or another since you were born. Also i wanted to add a note in defense of neptune. Neptune isnt all about vagueness and procrastination, it also gives you a very sympathetic and caring nature. I do believe that you will find peace and stability within a higher realm, whether that is religeon, astrology or the peace corp i dont know but through such service to others of a spiritual nature you will find your true nature.:)

[rogue_red]

:38: :38: :38: :38: __________________then they poop

[seasand]

Dear Rogue red,
thank you for the analysis and info about pluto and neptune.
So you say the instability is because of neptune. Yes my chart has heavy neptune influence , pisces moon neptune conjuncts sun, and IC yes, neptune has effects , causing me feel weaker than other people...

the positive side is i always daydream and forget all the difficulties i feel...:)

[ag1road]

Hi folks,
Thanks for all the good info on these posts.
I just realized that this incoming Pluto opp natal Saturn will be activating a natal T-square and basically creating a grand cross. I am guessing this will change what I can expect with this transit, but I am having trouble finding info on this. I'm a little nervous on this one....Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can be a little prepared?

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq34/ag1road/astro_w2gw_02_ag1road_hp7962328835.gif%5B/IMG%5D

[freedomlover]

Hi folks,
Thanks for all the good info on these posts.
I just realized that this incoming Pluto opp natal Saturn will be activating a natal T-square and basically creating a grand cross. I am guessing this will change what I can expect with this transit, but I am having trouble finding info on this. I'm a little nervous on this one....Can anyone point me in the right direction so I can be a little prepared?

I was going to take a quick peep, but I can't get your chart to enlarge, ag1road. Can you re-post it? ( I might not "get" anything when I look at your chart, but if it's readable - someone else may.)

[ag1road]

re-posted on my user-page, see link in my signature.

just found out today what this pluto transit is all about-yep. boss really has it in for me. i don't know how i can last a full year of this. hopefully the first lash is the worst, but the transit isn't even exact until March!

i am really going to focus on using these energies to transform myself into the painter i feel i was meant to be, pulling from the grandcross this transit makes. otherwise, without art, i don't know what will get me through this.

[seventhsun]

Hi all,

I have Pluto transiting my first house and just about to make a sq with natal chiron.

astro.com describe the contact as "exressing rage" - I'd like to know if there are any better explanations of the contact if possible as this sounds quite gruesome (I'm probably being oversensitive [flashes pisces moon])

Expressing rage *** Valid during many months: This critical influence could awaken considerably conflicting emotions within you. You might have an increasing urge to finally tell someone straight to their face what you think of them, while at the same time being ashamed of having such hurtful and spiteful feelings. Others will possibly have difficulty coping with you at the present time, so that you are more reliant than usual on their patience and understanding. The best thing you can do now is to be compassionate with yourself.

[deleted overly-long quote against forum rules - Moderator]

My pluto transiting history so far:
1996 complete change of career after completing university.
2000 nearly died in a motorbike crash - really changed my outlook. found new job overseas meaning I HAD to get over my fear of flying.
2006 Achieved a long term dream that I never thought I would.
The career change has been challenging but I'm bringing change into the workplace but unfortunately my boss is the first to benefit. He's making use of my skills where actually he has none (this grates!)

I'm currently involved in a very difficult rs for nearly a year with someone that is extremely controlling but also very in love with me. My chiron is conjunct her moon - see thread in relational http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15167

I'm really not looking forward to the next 2 years and after that I have a lot of pluto transits in opposition to my personal planets in cancer which look like they'll probably keep me going to retirement...

apologies for the gloomy tone :/

s

[starzeeker]

Whoa dude there's got to be a light at the end of the tunnel right?
You can choose to be happy or choose to be sad either way it's ( your ) choice. Try to cheer up! Put on a happy face and count all of your blessings.

[starzeeker]

As far as Pluto is concerned, I'm not fearful or anxious. I want to be able to read my own chart and how planets affect my sign what are trines, how long has Pluto been in my sign, when is it leaving, is it compatible, etc. Basically, I have a positive nature and not much can change that. I've been thru hell and back most of my life, you would not believe it (I am the rock of Gibralter) I am fortunate that way. What was said about Pluto's energy, how you can use it, apply it to your own power, and how changing your location really doesn't matter. I believe that to be true. It follows you wherever you may go. So, when somebody gives you lemons make lemonade! ;) Do not fear

[Ahren]

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[zohra]

Natal pluto conj natal uranus (in 6th...just)on the desc:)
Work upsets...yes, I had started a new job, loved it to peices but had to leave when my child care arrangements proved less than acceptable (ie the nanny smoking pot while caring for my baby)
Power changes...yes, had about 6 months where my daughter did her best to imitate satans spawn
Im not sure how this fits in but im convinced its pluto on the MC...have had an ongoing huge issue with tax department, they owed ME money...took 18 months to get it only after they audited me and nearly made me bancrupt.
As for shocking turn of events regarding relationships, when Tpluto first went within orb of square to natal pluto was when I had my major transformation. It was the beginning of the single most important developement i have ever experienced. I loved it:)

P.S Oh and I had my surprise baby, 10 yr gap between her and my other four, she my avatar:)

This seems like my chart 3 years ago. When Tr Pluto was square to Pluto and MC, needed to resign from my work (too many upheaveal with my manager after 10 years) than i found out that my ex partner of 18 years was cheating with my au pair (saw it)Saturn conjunct moon, total transformation, emotionally, physically etc than was hit by pluto transit what a bloody tornado:34:

needed to fight back for children and home and than for last 3 years i have worked in public organisation (different set of working environment) bigger money than i met a new guy T pluto sextile venus, T Jupiter trine moon (lord5). Started to take control as a single person, my family life, my commitment, my obligation and all fell in the right place. Of course i have still some worries like anyone but


but now i am much a different person, more in control, much happy, i have been given a fantastic opportunity to breakdown the unnecessary:p
Now looking above those 3 years it has been worth

my natal pluton conjon uranus/jupiter in 7th house, Pluto R limit6/7 house and lord of 8

[cindah]

Note to Summer Joy and all those with Pluto transiting the 8th: be careful of attracting/become obsessed with "pluto type" individuals...they may be totally wrong for you but because of the obession, it's hard to tell. Also, think hard before going to to debt....make sure its a debt you can live with. This is from the experience of Pluto in my 8th.

Now Pluto is transiting my 10th. As soon as it went over my MC at 24 Sagg, my mom passed away. Then I found myself going through some pretty instense power struggles at work...like someone else after my job...etc. (I've been owning my power here though...and although the ones against me are using deception...I am honest and hard working). So far I still have a job...so hope all works out here.

Now Pluto is also opposing my natal Venus, which is at 3 degrees cancer in the 4th. It just occured to me the other day one way I am expressing this transit...I bought some goats and I love them! Initially I did it to help keep the weeds and grass down...but now I realize its so much more. They are quite amazing animals. And they are teaching me SO MUCH about Capricorn. Believe me, if you ever own a goat, you will know why the ancients assocatied goats w/ Capricorn. I also have a cancer moon and in about ten years Pluto will oppose it. By then, maybe I will have a goat farm.
All the best to all,
cin

[Sofia8]

Since I keep seeing references to several members remarking about Pluto transits....thought for organization purposes that a discussion thread be started...

Sag 8 degrees rising here...Pluto transiting my 1st house since around 1995. Squares and oppositions: Pluto opposition Sun; Pluto square Moon; Uranus opposition Pluto, etc and so on...I dont have the author of the following...this is from early notes I made on transits:

Pluto: Pluto symbolises complete change and transformation ~ not suddenly like Uranus but slowly, profoundly and with a focus on the very depths of our beings. It brings strength and intensity to whichever area of our lives it touches. Pluto transits question the central tenets on which we have built our existence and why we behave in the ways that we do. They bring hidden psychological baggage to the surface ~ allowing us to review and to rebuild matters from a fundamental standpoint. Outmoded yet deeply conditioned psychological and emotional responses are frequently notable candidates for such.

Pluto transits often confront us with highly sensitive topics which we would rather ignore, so it's effects can be very difficult whilst we are working through them. Issues of control, manipulation, jealousy, possessiveness, dominance and power are frequent. This planet can engender a very ruthless response, so attitudes which take no account of the feelings of others should certainly be avoided. It's entry into a house is often associated with destruction and with decay, yet in time a new order will arise providing that Pluto's essential challenges are squarely addressed.

Inappropriate resistance will generally prove useless anyway. It will usually only serve to extend and to prolong this planet's more difficult effects!

PLUTO TRANSITING YOUR 1ST HOUSE (approx. 14-30 years duration)
During this period you may desire increased personal power and physical invulnerability. You may transform your personal appearance and personal expression several times. You may increase your will power, self-confidence, and personal resourcefulness through physical or competitive activities. Through stages of self-improvement you cast off your vulnerable or threatened self- image and assume a stronger, more autonomous persona.

10 years of having Pluto transiting my 1st house has resulted in an 'armed truce' with the planet. I might add its effects on my psyche, reactions, feelings and perspective have been profound (thats putting it mildly :roll: ). As a side note, it was during this time that I earned the nickname, Amazon. Yep, friends and family really do call me Amazon.

The power issues in my personal life have been about 'others', specifically their attempts to manipulate, exert control or to totally dominate me and my reactions to their efforts. I would also like to note that if you ever have to deal with some of the oppositions and squares that I have had in the last 2-3 years and are still occurring presently in my chart...May all the blessings of the universe fill you with more patience for others and yourself than you ever thought possible. Cuz yer gonna need lots of patience...

Interestingly, over the past six days or so, I have been pondering this very subject and reviewing journal entries. Had a great 'aha' moment too...I took a special work assignment in another state 2 years ago to 'get away' from what I thought at the time was dysfunctional family dynamic.

LOL! Guess what I learned? You might move or remove yourself from what you may perceive as the source, but your transits chase you regardless!! In the new state I found the same Pluto issues just with different people. At the time I was unaware of natal charts or transits and have now become aware. So it was actually the energies and reactions I carried within myself that brought out issues in another location.

You cannot change people or events. But you can change how you react to them, positively or negatively. You can change your thoughts not theirs. One of the most important lessons I have learned since Pluto came to visit my 1st house.

So, this Amazon keeps her plutonian charged arrows of assertion lightly sheathed, chooses her battles wisely, welcomes the challenge of introspection and personal growth, follows her own path regardless of what others would attempt to dominate, and realizes that a little bit of Pluto goes a very long way.

And so...where is Pluto transiting in your chart?

Amazon


Thank you Amazon for this post,

Pluto has recently entered my first house (capr) and I can say it hasn't been a pleasure trip, but I truelly feel deep down that it's all for the best.

Wanted to ask , what significance does it have i I have natal pluto on 10th house conjunct MC, and also neptune in 1st (or 12th , dont know sure ) conjunct Asc .

Someone told me that I can use solar arcs to check for my precise time of birth (i could be max15- 20 minutes off , but that changes soma aspects in my chart ), does anyone know where i can best do that ?

This is very important to me right now, cause according to my chart my rising is at 5 degrees capr , but Pluto hasn't reachet that yet ...

[MTTY05]

I was hoping some of you knowledgeable astrology folks could answer a little question....

I won't get too specific, but I am so tired of living in this inescapable hellhole in which my life as gone completley down the crapper over the past few years, and I wan't things to change. I tried changing things myself over the winter, but failed, again. Money is tight, my ego has been shattered, my social and love life is a joke, and on most days I feel pathetic and things only seem to be getting worse.

Pluto is transiting my 12th house, conjunct natal Neptune. And transiting Pluto is trining my natal Sun, Venus, Mars & Jupiter, and sextiling natal Pluto.

So my question is... can it be seen from these transits if or when things will start happening? Other than my enjoyable, but low-paying new job, nothing much has really happened for me since Pluto moved into Cappy late last year.

[Natasha]

Its completely irresponsible of someone to tell you to expect death during a pluto transit. Ethicly reprehensible. Pluto is destructive but not evil. Most often it is behaviors attitudes and bad habits that die, not necessarily loved ones.:(
My astrology teacher says that people tend to to live thru their pluto transits (from her many years of astrological consultation)
The reason for this ( i assume) is that PLuto transits are the time when we can make permanent change) thus moving along in our souls journey.
To Mtty05 - Pluto to Neptune is a generational transit but never the less it is a PLuto transit. Perhaps the image that comes to me is a time to make really large permanent changes in the area which your Neptune in the 12 represents. Also look at Neptunes aspects & what they mean for you has Pluto will enable large changes to be made their by you also.
Note PLuto tend not to give free lunches tho and whilst they do say the 'gods can be kinder than mortalss" during a PLuto transit we have to find that in ourselves which we need to change to enpower our journey.
By the way Mtty05 Saturn has been going thru Virgo for the last couple of years and I notice you have quite a few planets in Virgo.

[MTTY05]

Thanks for the reply Natasha. Yea, this 12th house stuff can be quite confusing and elusive. The subconscious? I have enough problems trying to figure out what I make of my conscious thoughts and actions. Wierd times I guess.

And I'll be glad when Saturn gets out of Virgo.

[divine g]

i went through a pluto-neptune transit a few years ago, and the smoke is still clearing. i went through hell, but i came out stronger. pluto seems to be squaring your north node in your 2nd house of Aries, that explains your issues with your self-worth right now. Your Jupiter in 3rd shows that by communicating and talking things out, you can grow wiser, and restore yourself esteem. Talking to people close to you, talking to astrologers, even talking with yourself will bring you alot of benefits.

Pluto will be making some nice aspects to your sun mars and venus over the next year or 2, so cheer up. Exercise, eat healthy, and you'll start looking better, and feeling better about yourself.

[cassanra]

Pluto is now squaring the Vertex in my natal chart
Pluto is one degree shy of my MC at 3'23 Capricorn. (though retrograde right now)
Pluto will conjunct saturn at 4'38 Capricorn and oppose mercury in the 4th.
I can tell you the oddest thing is I used to stutter terribly as a child.
It has recently come back..quite strange.
I go to the doctor on Wednesday. My mother had a terrible dream in which I died due to a burst stomach or some such. I have been having a lot of stomach odditiies. I laughed when she called me at 6:00am sunday morning to tell me about this dream ( I did not laugh at the time...I was half asleep) But we shall see. So far that has been about it (Pluto is in my 6th and rules my 8th so I am not happy about the scenerio)
But pluto trines natal saturn so maybe this repeat energy is okay for me...
I wonder why I missed this thread? I am just starting to really take a cloer lookat Pluto. Mostly I have ignored it as I thought Pluto at the MC was about 'go big or stay home' and applied for two manager positions only to have younger folks get the jobs. I decided I am not well liked so will that is the end of that story. WE shall see though as pluto did not quite cross the MC last year. The thing is I am in such a different state now. Such an odd place realy. Not sure what will happen.
Great thread.

[WeAre]

Hi.
I came today with pluto transits in mind... as well.
However,(I've notices a focus on the ascendent transits thus far)
and
it seems I'm looking to call some "opposite" folks for some input.
... by opposite,
I mean those with ascendents capricorn(or so) thru cancer...
....because,
right now pluto is about 1 degree from reaching my descendent.
....I understand the transformation aspect of pluto... and that its going to happen ...NO MATTER WHAT,
I'd like some input with those who have experienced and recognized
this specific descendent transit.
I've heard of all sort of possibilites...but would love to hear some first hand
experiences.
?

Of course, I'm curious how I would apply the fact that it's in capricorn, as
well..... so I'm grateful for any insight that can be provided.
I'll attach my chart as well... due to any other major aspects that may be of interest for someone to invesitigate.

(looks like the closest aspects are pluto sextile my natal venus(5degrees pisces in my 9th house
...and
pluto trine my saturn(8degrees virgo in my 3rd house)

to me it feels like pluto pluto and more pluto nowadays
TRANSFORMATION(:
thanks

[Vardigon]

I think I probably have a lot of experience with Pluto transits. I have a see-saw chart, kinda, and Pluto has been opposing my inner planets and conjuncting my outer planets. I've had one crazy life over the past 5 years. I'm not exactly sure how far this transiting has gone back. If anyone could help me understand it, I'd be much appreciative.

Lately with the opposition to my Moon, my life has been pretty stagnant externally and I've had very little opportunity to move forward with anything. Also, I've had to take care of other people, without any recourse, so it has drained a lot of my energy. With all that negativity going around, I've learned how to take pleasure out of some of the small things, like going for a drive with an acquaintance for no other reason than to do something spontaneous and take my mind off of life.

[Lapis]

My Sun is 1 Capricorn. Yesterday was the Summer Solstice so there's all that Sun/Sun/Pluto oppostion/conjunction stuff goin' on for me (and maybe you too). Transiting Pluto is currently 2 Capricorn Rx so here comes my second (Rx) hit.

Point is...Pluto is sitting on my face at the moment and I'm becoming oxygen deprived because of if! :annoyed:

I feel like beating the **** outa somethin'. See and feel that Dark Lapis? OK, now clean it up because it can't remain in there any longer...obviously. Not even one tiny little bit.

I just needed to vent and try to get a deep breath around Pluto's giant backside smothering me at the moment. :wink: This Summer Solstice is pretty potent isn't it?

[WeAre]

I'm really glad this thread is being revived ... utilized.


Point is...Pluto is sitting on my face at the moment and I'm becoming oxygen deprived because of if! :annoyed:
:w00t: ... oh, pluto .
... its funny how different we all are . ... especially during times of transformation. my sun is aries , so i'm always (somehow) looking to jump off a big cliff into .... who knows what , just somethin ... new .
And I gather,
pluto transit sun would be a BIG cliff . ... asking for transformation at the core . ... i guess that could make one feel "oxygen deprived". hmmm .

I'm not saying i know that transit ... or will this lifetime , but i'm feeling pluto certainly.
As i've mentioned early in this thread,
my descendant is 4'49degrees capricorn,
i have yet to hear back any experiences with this transit, and would LOVE to.
goodness, as i think to explain how this transit is affecting my life .... I kinda DO gasp for air!:joyful:
.... my outlook on my romantic partnership life is in pure upheaval . really.
...mostly, I'm learning who i am though, and what i really need from a partner ,.. which i can recognize as so very valuable-and appreciate in the moment. cuz with awareness , we must act . and to me, momentum in life is about as Worthy as it gets.
..the gasp for air comes when it kicks in that , when i wonder if the most beautiful person ever (who i love) can come with me on this pluto excursion . hope so. ..(but really, thats just a fear... and pluto's teachin me these fears hold no precendence)

no matter what .. pluto's amazing, and necessary:unsure: . ..nah, IT IS:biggrin:

what i'd like to ask, since it's such a slow transit is,
how do you (anyone) translate the timing of this transit?
pluto wont exactly conjunct my descendant for a year+,
but goodness,
I feel it.
So, what's up? is there a climax? is this a 3year upheaval ordeal?
thats why i was hoping for feedback.
very curious-cuz this is pretty wild.

I feel like beating the **** outa somethin'.
:wink:
i feel like being launched into outerspace.. and richochet-ing off of the planets like a rubber ball . ... to match my physical condition, to my mental/spiritual/emotional/etc.

[amriley]

Pluto transitted into my twelfth house right around the time my father suddenly died. Since then, all the old garbage from my family and old friends has begun to surface. For me it's been revelatory and very affirming, since most of these people really did me wrong and now they are asking ME for help and apologizing to ME. I've found it easy to be graceful about it all, but I'm a little surprised at how differently everyone saw those situations.

Also, old enemies at work, I mean people who are really truly hateful, seem to have power over me once more. The difference is, I just don't seem to be bothered by it anymore. I've found alternative methods of survival that circumvent the nasty people.

I'm also going through the Chiron/Jupiter/Neptune transit as it grinds over my natal sun, so a lot of this clearing away and healing is probably due to that. The one thing that really bothers me is Pluto's square to my natal venus in 3 Aries.

I work in a creative field and I feel stymied. Also, I have NO love life at this time. I actually feel terrified when I think of a relationship. What do people here know about 12th house Pluto and squares by Pluto to Venus? I need a clue as waiting ten years to sort out the message is going to make me crazy.

Thanks.

[Vardigon]

I feel like beating the **** outa somethin'.

You're not the only one! :D I think Pluto transits can make one feel that way often.

I'll have my last pluto transit with neptune from approx. January 2011 to January 2014. I've had them going on since around December 2002.

I have scorpio sun friend who has been having pluto transits since he was born and is only just now out of it for a long time. Next one won't be until he's 66, and it'll be his last. After that one, all planets of his will have been conjuncted by Pluto except Mercury.

[newbee]

Sheesh,

i wish i found this earlier...so much to catch up on. here's my transit chart:

http://astrologyweekly.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=47&pictureid=304

[CalebKent]

23° Sag Rising, so i had my Pluto transit in 2005..

by that i mean, on my 35th solar return i had Pluto/Moon EXACTLY conjunct my ASC at 23°Sag.

i met 13 women that year with Scorpio Rising and Moon in Cancer in the 8th House.

i had a community coffeehouse for 11 years where i was a resource to others (Pluto in the 12th). in my Pluto/ASC transit, i lost my marriage, kids, business, integrity, money..

but hey, i've got a 5 planet stellium in Scorpio, so i see change and i don't freak out about it, just ride to the bottom.

i smoked pot for the 1st time, dated a stripper whom i refer to as Kali, and did a whole lotta of crazy stuff i can't ever mention here.

then, one day, at the very bottom about to have my coffeehouse taken away, a guy walked in and bought it. i paid off all my debt, walked away with $15,000 and no debt, got my kids for Summers which turned out to be better than having them year round in a horrible marriage and being stressed out, traveled, then got an inheritance of like $120,000, moved to my favorite Scorpio city, New Orleans, and now going back to school. got Saturn in the 9th.

there are a lot more details, but basically, Pluto destroys but then replaces.

-C

[Nexus7]

The last pass of Pluto transiting Saturn is coming up. For me. The main effect of Saturn over Pluto is that I did lose a great deal of money (Saturn ruling the 2nd) and I literally cannot afford to lose too much more, but then there are quite a few other people around who have also had their piggy banks raided because the country is nearly bankrupt. There could be a reckoning with one person in particular there. It will also be time to get a registry card, which I hope is not a 'soft' residence permit full of the nightmare Kafkaesque paper chases pre-EU succession, but now I am feeling more in a 'to hell with it, have it your way' mood and move on rather than put up with any more traumas.

My family and their confidants for some strange reason have been getting into the habit of hassling me into getting married, to a long-distance partner I have known for a while. Ostensibly, this is all about getting kept post-retirement and general decrepitude, but I suspect it is more about 'respectability' which seems pathetic to me (my Saturn is 135 Uranus).

A friend of mine told me recently she may be dying due to irreversible liver damage, her Pluto squares my Saturn and she is having the Pluto square Pluto transit. Last year when visiting she summoned me to a surgery after similar hints that this kind of news was on the cards, but on arriving she was nonchalent and I don't really have much idea of what to make of that kind of behaviour.

[JSWright101]

Well I'm a bit nervous about this Pluto entering Capricorn period as it's tightly conjunct my descendant as we speak and will be floating around my 7th house for quite some time. It's also conjunct natal Uranus starting the light up of my stellium which, during it's run of the house, will get to target my natal Neptune and Saturn as well...

In effect, I'm ready but it still scares the **** out of me.

Oh well...

[R4VEN]

Pluto transitted into my twelfth house right around the time my father suddenly died. Since then, all the old garbage from my family and old friends has begun to surface. For me it's been revelatory and very affirming, since most of these people really did me wrong and now they are asking ME for help and apologizing to ME. I've found it easy to be graceful about it all, but I'm a little surprised at how differently everyone saw those situations.

Also, old enemies at work, I mean people who are really truly hateful, seem to have power over me once more. The difference is, I just don't seem to be bothered by it anymore. I've found alternative methods of survival that circumvent the nasty people.


Oh boy - Pluto entered my 12th house around late 2006, early 2007, and gradually over the past 2 years things have become weirder and weirder, with things happening around me - very close to me, that is - of the like I've never before experienced.

I suspect that everything weird in my environment is just a repeat of events and experiences from quite early in my life - :pluto: through the 12th will do that. I am now almost 61, so some of these events occurred over 50 years ago, and obviously I've carried the effects of these events within me for all that time - as we do. I tried waiting for the dust to settle, but that seems not to be happening, so I'm just keeping myself to myself, and taking only what I need to from what is happening around me.

Most of those who `did me wrong' in my early life are either dead, or in some other way out of my life, so it seems that other people have to take on their roles for me. It's very disconcerting, as there are a number of people whom I believed I could trust who are being total a-holes!! :devil:

[DVANZETT]

Hi Amazon, Pluto entered Capricorn in my12th house and is of course there til 2024. Since this transit began and just before I started spending alot of time at hospitals with family and friends. When it transited my 11th house nothing went on that I can recall. This period passed. Now here is Pluto in Cap. I'm sure this will be a learning experience, good or bad I'm up to it. I have posted my chart. Thanks for the reply. Di

[noideaaboutastro]

I don't understand why people don't like Pluto transits. I'm loving mine. I like Pluto in general I feel a very strong affinity with it and I love what it represents. I mean it's not Saturn it's not limiting you, it's just giving you a bit of cleansing. Well, maybe a lot of cleansing. But it takes ages as well so it's not like it hits you like a tonn of bricks all of a sudden.

My Pluto is transitting through my 2nd house and has being doing so since I was 12. At first I probably would not have noticed it but I can really see the theme in my life - getting on my feet against all odds, becoming smart about possessions, what matters in life and what doesn't, how to budget. I can't say it was really that painful, I enjoyed it. Yeah I had a few nights on the street and a few hungry days which taught me a good lesson about the meaning of being self-sustainable, but I've had other transits that have being far less kind and far more painful. At the moment I believe it is conjuct my Neptune, Saturn and Uranus all at the same time (so obviously they're my 2nd house stellium), don't know if it's a good thing? But I'm finally getting on my feet with money and really feeling great. We'll be settling down in a permanent area soon which will be nice and I look at the years past and honestly have to say, job well done and good lessons learnt.

[DVANZETT]

Hi noideaaboutastro. Pluto has been in and out of Cap in my 12th house since Jan 25th 2008. Now that I have gained knowledge on the transits the fear of Pluto has diminished. After receiving all the emails from the forum and the info of Pluto and checking the transits this Pluto will make me a better person. After reading all that you have sent me on this powerful planet I started thinking back on how and if my life had changed since Pluto is dominate in my 12th house at this time. I have changed in a few ways without even realizing it.
Whenever someone had money problems they came to me and I gave in to their sad stories and promises to pay back. Two family members were going to lose their homes and I arranged for mortgages that they could afford. The were both short of money on closing day for extras. I am a Realtor by the way..The loans were never paid of course and left me in thousands of dollars in debt. Needless to say I don't lend money out anymore to anyone. Helping people all my life always made me feel good. I had a good bank accout at one time and people knew it. and abused me.
My husband has terminal cancer, had to quit his job and so we have financial problems now and there is not one person I can turn to. Saturn in Virgo and Leo has been rocking my world since 2005.(not good). Saturn in Virgo 8th house has effected my spouse's finances and that has been the bone of contention as we are dealing with financial and health problems,dealing with taxes, pension people, insurance companies (spouse had bad accident, not his fault, in the middle of a lawsuit as my spouse has not much use of arms He has has a bad 3 years..Saturn will be going into Libra in October(exalted) is this a good or bad thing? Will our financial situation ever improve? On the other hand Pluto is changing my life around for the good, I think.I have become aware of other things but am waiting for them to manifest. Don't want to count my chickens before they hatch. It seems I have spent the last 3 years in hospitals, funeral homes with friends and mostly family.Cap was on the ascendent in my birth chart. Is there any info you can give me on that?I understand that Pluto soon will be going over my ascendent for 1to2 years. How do I find this out? I have googled but never realy got an answer. Website please. To let me know what house Pluto is passing thru. Thank you for the quick response and hope to hear from you again. Thankd, Di

[lilllybelle]

But it takes ages as well so it's not like it hits you like a tonn of bricks all of a sudden.

It can. It surely can hit you like a ton of bricks. I'm not going to recant what all happened when pluto crossed my IC, but it did come on rather suddenly. It was some heavy stuff for a 17 year old to deal with, but I was in a completely different place by the time it was all over- a really good place. As you mentioned, we are given plenty of time to work through the transit, but pluto does start its transits, for some of us, by putting us face down in the dirt initially.
Now, please pardon me for getting caught up in one little detail of what you were saying. It's a virgo rising thing accentuated by studying accounting.

[noideaaboutastro]

It can. It surely can hit you like a ton of bricks. I'm not going to recant what all happened when pluto crossed my IC, but it did come on rather suddenly. It was some heavy stuff for a 17 year old to deal with, but I was in a completely different place by the time it was all over- a really good place. As you mentioned, we are given plenty of time to work through the transit, but pluto does start its transits, for some of us, by putting us face down in the dirt initially.
Now, please pardon me for getting caught up in one little detail of what you were saying. It's a virgo rising thing accentuated by studying accounting.

Lol it's okay I do that do:tongue:. I guess it does, probably because Pluto did me "nicely" I have such high thoughts in the planet. Hey, it's okay when I am 29 it will enter my 3rd house, we'll see what happens then.

Another thing I realised after thinking about this all day was how good the work Pluto has done on me is. I remember saying in a thread aobut Chiron in Taurus that I do the same things - stock up, want to be self reliant, save up for a rainy day - and then I realised it was this transit that had brought out those qualities in me, they weren't naturally there in the natal chart. But the ups and downs with money and where I live and accomodation have really taught me a lot. And I think put me in a good place.

[noideaaboutastro]

Sorry to barge into this thread yet again! I have a lot of questions about Pluto transits at the moment as I'm focusing on figuring out transits! My question is, and I apologise if I missed something, but what difference does a retrogade make as opposed to when it goes direct? Pluto is transitting my Saturn atm, Pluto conjunct Saturn to be exact, and I've found it's visited me three times (this time being the third and last). Also, when it become direct to you, is the influence different to when it is direct or retro? Sorry if there's so many questions, I just really want to get this down pat before I proceed with anything else. It also makes two breaks where it stops being conjunct and goes either too retro or too forward - how could this be better explained?

I have read the definion and it is about recognising the weak things in your life, and breaking them. My guess is that the direct gets you thinking about it but the retro is the one that breaks it. If that's true, the first time Pluto went retro certainly was a time for letting go - nearly let go of life tbh, so much was letting go! This is only a guess, really hoping for some help here!

[noideaaboutastro]

Okay, I can see why I like Pluto, like Pluto I do not leave something alone until I've dug and redug everything and I go backwards and forwards and take a long time:ninja:. Really sorry about this, but had to talk about this too......
I found on a website http://www.geocities.com/my_astrology/plutotransits.html it says that when Pluto transits through your second house your attachments to your possessions will undergo a strong change. It also says that conjunctions are when one cycle finishes and you begin a new "cycle" with a completely different view once it's over. At the moment Pluto's transitting on its last round in retro before it hits direct in a couple of days (ooooooo). I can really feel it though, my attitude to things have changed, I'm not attached to material possessions but I definately care about getting on my feet more. But that's a little bit strange - I mean, wans't it trying to get you to have no attachment to material things? At least that's how I was when I was starting out! Now I want to have house, security, job, investments, my own vegetable garden and loads of grains stored away at the back of my pantry you name it - wasn't I supposed to get NOT like this?

[smilingsteph]

Noideaboutastro:

Since pluto can mean obession, passion, deep concentration of the subconsious: one may have these feelings even on an even deeper level from within. These things will affect you on an internal level, because when pluto goes retrograde it serves to transform and change from within, versus outwards towards the world.
Pluto usually directs its energies inward anyhow, but with a retrograde motion it will do so with even more force. So the issues that pluto represents will have a stronger force.

[noideaaboutastro]

Thanks Smiling Steph! So the prediction is that in a couple of days I will revert out of psychoness slightly:biggrin:. Please bare with me until that moment:innocent::w00t:

[R4VEN]

I can really feel it though, my attitude to things have changed, I'm not attached to material possessions but I definately care about getting on my feet more. But that's a little bit strange - I mean, wans't it trying to get you to have no attachment to material things? At least that's how I was when I was starting out! Now I want to have house, security, job, investments, my own vegetable garden and loads of grains stored away at the back of my pantry you name it - wasn't I supposed to get NOT like this?
I agree with smilingsteph about the obsessive nature of Pluto, and how it can lead you inwards when it's on a Rx motion, whilst you can still be obsessing about it at a conscious level.

Also consider the symbolic nature of what it is you now `want' - house, job, security, veggie garden, etc. Consider what all this actually represents to you (and I'm sure that this focus is part of your Chiron in Taurus `wound') and how it is achieving all this will actually make you feel. In other words, what does having all you now require actually mean to you.
(I'm not trying to confuse you, but often it is relevant to check out what is represented by what it is you want, because Pluto can affect us in this way, where we focus on something in the real world which is actually representative of something else entirely.)

[noideaaboutastro]

I agree with smilingsteph about the obsessive nature of Pluto, and how it can lead you inwards when it's on a Rx motion, whilst you can still be obsessing about it at a conscious level.

Also consider the symbolic nature of what it is you now `want' - house, job, security, veggie garden, etc. Consider what all this actually represents to you (and I'm sure that this focus is part of your Chiron in Taurus `wound') and how it is achieving all this will actually make you feel. In other words, what does having all you now require actually mean to you.
(I'm not trying to confuse you, but often it is relevant to check out what is represented by what it is you want, because Pluto can affect us in this way, where we focus on something in the real world which is actually representative of something else entirely.)

Sorry R4ven, I should have made clear that my Chiron is in Gemini not in Taurus. I remember posting in your thread wondering why I was like that when my Chiron was in Gemini and not in Taurus. Sorry was thinking too far ahead when I was writing that and forgot half the sentence. What it represents for me is stability and security for my family, so that I can pass on possessions - both material and spiritual - to everybody that comes after me. I know that sounds weird - but I'm just like that. I work for my family, not for myself.

[R4VEN]

noideaaboutastro -
What house is Pluto currently transiting, and in what house is your natal Chiron? (Actually, a chart would help...:andy: .)

[noideaaboutastro]

noideaaboutastro -
What house is Pluto currently transiting, and in what house is your natal Chiron? (Actually, a chart would help...:andy: .)

R4ven Pluto is transitting through my 2nd house. My Chiron is in Gemini in the 8th house (so opposition 2nd house (opposition Saturn).
There's a big 2nd house theme for me atm.....Saturn is about to square my Saturn and Uranus as well (natal Saturn and Uranus are in my 2nd house).

[DVANZETT]

R4VEN, I never wanted much out of life but what I got I worked hard for. At this time in my life all I want is some quietness. Just enough income to keep the wolves from the door and to be surrounded by happy people. There is so much doom and gloom out there and that's where I want it to stay (out there) I realize we must all face the good and the bad years when the time comes but I would just like a reprieve from my nearly 12 years of H====. Pluto is in my 12th House, Cap at this time. Chiron in the 9th Libra (natal) Aquarius at this time. I have received alot of info from the forum and it looks like I'm still in for some bumps in the road. If just a little peace would come to my life that would make me content. Thanks Di

[DVANZETT]

R4RAVEN,I have included my chart as to where Chiron in natal and Pluto currently in 12th house. In Placidus and Equal house. Which one is right? Di

[R4VEN]

R4RAVEN,I have included my chart as to where Chiron in natal and Pluto currently in 12th house. In Placidus and Equal house. Which one is right? Di
I'm paying attention to the equal house chart, because you were probably born far enough north for it to be the one more relevant.

Whichever chart you use, you have Pluto transiting the 12th house - since around late 2002 - and it will be crossing your Capricorn Ascendant during the next few years. At the same time as it crosses your Asc (and brings about some truly life-changing results) Pluto will be squaring your natal neptune. For me, this Neptune transit would be more of a struggle than the Asc-crossing, but maybe that's just me.....:sleeping:

My suggestion is that you read all you can about the following transits:


Pluto through 12th house
pluto conj Ascendant
Pluto square Neptune

It is important to remember that Pluto does not necessarily give you what you want, but it will always present you with that which you need.

[flea]

Pluto goes direct on about the 11 september which happens to be a 22 day 1+1+9+2+9=22 and also a certain anniversary.

So maybe things will sort themselves out a little after that. Pluto has been hanging around squaring my sun/moon point for what seems ages. It gets real sticky in here and not easy to move forward..being a sag I love that sense of freedom and movement, and get very stroppy when not. Just the universal energy so it has been a struggle to just let go of moving forward and stay with the present for a while. The struggle was taking way to much energy out of me anyway. So I am pottering around the house a lot.....

Here's looking to september all the same.

FleaXXX

[WeAre]

I've also been looking forward to september 11, pluto direct.

Can anyone speak to pluto at 0degrees now, and moving in 29degrees sag.
??
more specifically,
i find that sunday, august 9th (two days ago) was a "wild" (dont know how else to put it---sudden upheaval OUT OF NOWHERE)
day for a great many individuals.
I'm not sure what to make of the sudden changes--temporary?peramanent?

All i drew was the potential power of 0 degrees . perhaps some other aspects going on?

[flea]

i got a new puppy that day...so was a very good one for me....been sick all week. I am so over feeling like this..........