Social rejection and astrology

[Michael]

Have you because of practicing astrology
experienced social rejection by friends,
family or social groups?

[StarNur]

As in family and friends not wanting to have anything to do with you because you practice astrology? No.

As in family and friends strongly disagreeing and not wanting to hear about or have anything to do with astrology? A resounding yes.

How is your experience?

[sskohli]

on the contrary
i have become popular :D

sandeep

[unukalhai]

Rejection? no.

Plenty of people who think I've lost my marbles, but still respect me for who I am.

As far as I'm concerned if someone wants to reject me because of my interests, it's better they do. I have no need for such close-minded intolerance.

[holly]

No I haven't been rejected because of my interest in astrology, although I still cringe a little when I tell people of my interest, and brace myself for the worst. However contrary to my fears, everyone has been really welcoming and even become interested themselves!

There are a few people in my life I am apprehensive about telling, and that is my very Christian in-laws, who run to the pastor to ask permission to do or think anything! So I know they will reject me, and I like them too much to want that to happen.

But on the whole, eveyone that knows I am interested in astrology has been very supportive.

[Shining Ray]

I don't really tell everybody about my interests but my family know and my brother's do enjoy calling me a witch. You know how brother's love to wind you up. I do feel uncomfortable if people know because some people think we are gullible for believing in Astrology and think it is a load of nonsense. Some will even judge your sanity as if you are mad for believing in this stuff. But Astrology is not a case of belief because it actually works, we all see how it works in our life. There is no way I would learn Astrology if it did not hold any truth. But yes some of us can feel social rejection or even your family at times can belittle the subject and make you feel like the black sheep of the family :D . I bet there are some parents out there making the child feel small for being interested in something different. Wouldn't it be nice if in the future when children are asked what they want to be when their older they could say Astrologer and the parents would be proud, and no one would judge you, it could be put up there with all the best helping and people orientated professions. I am just living in my ideal world again. :rolleyes:

We don't need to prove astrology to anybody, if you want to express your interests than do it. I personally would only tell close friends. My partner is very supportive and understands how much I love Astrology, plus he gets the T.V of a night while I learn all this stuff, which is a bonus for him. :cool:

[smilingsteph]

Like I love to say...
If God created the heavens and the earth, then why are we not able to appreciate what he created through the study and art of astrology?

[sskohli]

hehe steph nice one
but then ppl would say..appreciate it using arts like painting singing dancing ;)
and hey i am on your side..
sandeep

[unukalhai]

Like I love to say...
If God created the heavens and the earth, then why are we not able to appreciate what he created through the study and art of astrology?

My thoughts exactly! :D

This is great for confused religious people (note: not all religious people are confused!) who rail against astrology - Oh how amusing (and illogical) the responses can be.

[weee11]

most of my friends dont know im into astrology.. msot of them thinks its ******** so i dont try to convince them.. but some friends who are intrested in spirituality and stuff liek that i try to show them some stuff about astrology and shwo them sites i use and stuff..

so anyway no, it didnt cause social rejection..

[Liquid Green]

yes....people think i have lost my marbles!

I dont think people reject me just because of my interest in astrology though unfortunately............its just another excuse!

[wayne penner]

Precisely why would people reject you?

Are they unable to discuss the fundamentals of astrology, or, more importantly, are you?

I never argue about astrology - I rarely discuss it and have friends who only vaguely know I study the subject. I couldn't care less whether people are impressed, distressed, ridicule me, laugh at me or love me because of my interest in astrology - I care only about the truth that astrology unfolds.

People are free to believe what they will. The only caveat is that if you talking to an intelligent person who has not studied astrology and thinks it's rubbish just let them know that their point of view will be seen in their chart ... and walk away chattering to yourself ...

[Liquid Green]

I agree with river..........

[Kingsley]

Eff them!

I have no time to defend astrology or my practice of it anymore. Years ago I would try to teach others of all the different Astrology practices but that is tiring after a while. People love to have something or someone to make feel "less than" and it certainly isn't me.

Recently I tossed up whether to advertise my astrology practice again and I thought about using a different phone number and name. Some referring agencies that I get work from (my counselling practice) might not like that I am an astrologer as well.

Its a fact of life that people make judgements, it doesn't bother me anymore. F them.

kingsley

[jagetoile]

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[Moulin]

rejection? no, not yet ;_

but even if they did it would just show me how narrow-minded they are anyway... so **** 'em :eek:

[athan]

nope!
at least not yet...
some ppl might think that I only think thru signs(not true...)and they get like ''oh c'mon now enough allready...'' but I haven't had rejection. On the contrary I have a lot of ''friends'' that call me only to know what the future holds for them... I think I should start charging them.....

[Atruism]

a large majority of people see astrology as hokey..like UFO fanaticsA lot of people don't believe in UFOs because they can't accept the “proof” that is offered in the attempt to prove the existence of UFOs. The thing with astrology is that there IS proof and you can use it to minimize if not eliminate the "social rejection by friends, family or social groups."

If I come across a doubter, I give them some proof that proves astrology is legitimate overall. For example, I'll say...

"Did you know that Adolf Hitler was an Aries? And Aries people are famous for butting their heads against the wall, without getting the result they want. In the Battle of the Bulge and the Battle of Stalingrad, in World War Two, Hitler became obsessed with his goal of winning those battles. He even ignored the advice of his generals, and have a guess what? He lost… Both battles."

I make sure I have my facts straight and that I sound convincing during my monologue (although the latter typically comes naturally when your information/facts make sense and therefore can rarely be disputed.) Then I'll hit them with another quick example...

"Andrew Carnegie was an early twentieth century industrialist. He was a Sagittarian. And Sagittarians are known for their generosity. When Andrew Carnegie died... He had given away the equivalent of $4 billion dollars to other people."

Now at this stage the doubter might put up their defences....

"But Hitler won a lot of battles” or “Carnegie must have spent some of his money on himself."

So, then I say to them...

"You’re right. Look astrology is only one part of life. There are other parts, as I’m sure you know. Such as a person's environment and the influence of their family. The thing is, to get a better grip on life, ALL of these parts of life should be taken into account."

Then I go for the wrap up...

"Look… If I honestly thought astrology was a waste of time, why would I be standing here explaining it to you, looking like a loser? Astrology’s not just about horoscopes and whacko predictions. It’s much more than that. You should check it out. It’s interesting stuff. And I guarantee you’ll be surprised with the info you find out about yourself and… Other people."

Now I should point out that I don't mention/talk about astrology to people who don't have an open mind (or to people whose open mind can’t be identified – e.g. in a job interview.) So this conversation doesn't happen everyday. The overall objective of the conversation is to generate an interest in astrology from them and to show them that it is actually real and applicable in life. In addition, I don’t force it down their throats. And, I also use examples that a lot of people don’t know a lot about (therefore I have a greater chance of coming across as knowledgeable in a general sense (which hopefully “inadvertently” backs up my astrological stance/theories.”))

I'm not saying this is what everyone should do... But I haven’t had any complaints yet.:)

[Atruism]

Its a fact of life that people make judgements, it doesn't bother me anymore. F them.To me, it looks like it does still bother you, otherwise you wouldn't still be agitated (e.g. "F them") when you think about them.

but even if they did it would just show me how narrow-minded they are anyway... so **** 'emMore importantly, once again from my perspective, if this situation did arise, it just shows me that you didn't/don't have the aptitude to identify such people. And this agitates you, hence the swear word/poor attitude.

Instead of swearing and carrying on like two year olds, why don't you both just work out a more effective way of "spreading the word" when it comes to advocating astrology (just in case ;))?

[athan]

[QUOTE=Atruism]

"Did you know that Adolf Hitler was an Aries?

He was not. He was Taurus.
20th April 1889 18;30 Braunau am Inn, Austria

[Moulin]

Tell me, is it ATruism or ALTruism please?
To me, it looks like it does still bother you, otherwise you wouldn't still be agitated (e.g. "F them") when you think about them.
LOL since when is "*****" a major swear word? It is due to my sensitivity toward others online that l chose to use the *'s and wouldn't you be that direct if 50% of your ingredients was Aries? ;)

More importantly, once again from my perspective, if this situation did arise, it just shows me that you didn't/don't have the aptitude to identify such people. And this agitates you, hence the swear word/poor attitude.
It doesn't agitate me - you do, and of course l have the aptitude to identify these 'astrology aliens' because l have never HAD any social rejection.

Geez, why all the personal attacks? :eek::eek:


PS. Yes, Hitler was a TAURUS.

[wayne penner]

You know, if you are really sure of your understanding of the truth of astrology you do not need to argue the matter nor do you have to "defend" astrology. Astrology is true regardless of whether people "believe" it or not.

I have studied astrology for longer than most people have been alive. I don't argue about it, although I am delighted to discuss it with an intelligent person who has an open mind.

Were I confronted with someone who said something like, " ... oh you're into that stuff?" I would simply say, "No, I'm not "into" anything, whatever "into" might mean. I simply study the cycles of life that all perceive but which most people do not understand.

Have you ever wondered why the female menstrual cycle coincides with the Moon's phases? How could that be?
Why is the number "7" so interesting - 7 colors, 7 musical notes, 7 holes in the head, 7 layers of skin, 7 ages, oh and 7 visible planets including the Sun and Moon. Have you ever wondered why every major culture in history has studied Astrology? From the ancient Babylonians, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, to the Chinese, Indians, Mayans etc. And why would cultures that never interacted still apply the same qualities to the planets. All civilizations have Mars as the planet of War and Venus as the planet of Love ... How could that be? Have you ever wondered how the number "7" is related to the pyramids of Giza and how they are related to Astrology?

How about the number "12". Ever wondered why Jesus had 12 disciples, or the jury has 12 members? Ever wondered why Jesus did the miracle of the 2 fishes and 5 loaves - the 2 fishes symbolize the fishes of Pisces and the 5 loaves the symbol of the opposite sign Virgo? Note that the 12 disciples found 12 baskets of food left after the feeding of the 5,000. Oh, and why is the bishop's miter in the shape of a fish? And why do Christians use the sign of the Fish, the sign Pisces, the sign Jesus ushered us into?

Have you noted that some of the greatest intellects who have ever lived have believed in Astrology, including Shakespeare, Goethe, Isaac Newton, Kepler, Copernicus etc. Einstein stated that the horoscope cast for him by his nephew was, "... impressive".

So let's not "defend" Astrology. It needs no defence. If people ridicule you or laugh at you, simply smile back and go on your way knowing that you have found something far greater than those poor people with their closed minds can even understand.

[Moulin]

Yes Wayne , I agree totally!

Interesting Jesus said that his work would be done once the water bearer appeared - sign of Aquarius...

got to watch the beginning of www.zeitgeist.com

it's all about astrology and really fascinating!

[paneagle7]

Have you because of practicing astrology
experienced social rejection by friends,
family or social groups?its not the rejection as much
as the denial, so i do not speak to those unwilling
and know if I speak too strongly there will be astrological
negativity...it is something deeply noticed and felt
but it must be neutral accepted...we are here as
love of life and to show open spirit, but that is
not to be forced...so we learn how to find those
and make inroads...many reject my efforts and
consciousness raising...
for me the work is I am even at challenge to those
in my more progressive spirit group and especially
funny is the reaction of some astrologers

check
americansol.blogspot.com
solastrology.blogspot.com

best; peter (eagle)

[Kingsley]

Hi Atruism

perhaps you are making a judgement about me when I say "f" them?

kingsley

[wayne penner]

Yes Wayne , I agree totally!

Interesting Jesus said that his work would be done once the water bearer appeared - sign of Aquarius...

got to watch the beginning of www.zeitgeist.com (http://www.zeitgeist.com)

it's all about astrology and really fascinating!

Well you are referring to Luke 22: 10

"And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in."

There are a lot of issues about this translation from the original Aramaic, especially since "house" was the ancient term for sign.

I don't know, although I would like to have met Jesus and asked him about this and a lot of other things he said. I don't think Jesus ever considered himself as God, since he never actually said that, but I do think he was one of the very coolest guys who ever lived.

[Moulin]

or one of the coolest guys that never lived ;)

I think Jesus was never a man... he was created as a man, the son of God (literally) by religion to control the masses. People can relate emotionally to another human's suffering and become empthatic. I think God is the entirety of the Universe and Jesus was linked to nature, spiritual energy and the sun.... that rises in the East and sets in the West.

Again, zeitgeist completely makes sense in all of this!

[Liquid Green]

or one of the coolest guys that never lived ;)

I think Jesus was never a man... he was created as a man, the son of God (literally) by religion to control the masses. People can relate emotionally to another human's suffering and become empthatic. I think God is the entirety of the Universe and Jesus was linked to nature, spiritual energy and the sun.... that rises in the East and sets in the West.

Again, zeitgeist completely makes sense in all of this!

Jesus lived! He was a man that lived in India between the ages of 18 to 33.....He was an essene.
What makes you think that he was not real Moulin.......
I reckon you need to check your facts, cos mate, i have a list of them a mile long to prove to you.
Go and read JESUS LIVED IN INDIA...............

[Liquid Green]

the stories surrounding his life may be a bit twisted but the truth is there if you look for it.

[Moulin]

nah he didn't live... watch the first 20 minutes of www.zeitgeist.com

lt's too long-winded to explain on here! and there are no real facts that he ever lived anyway, are there? ;)

[Liquid Green]

Yes there are facts actually...........

Jesus lived in india....there are records in india that prove it.....he went to the west and had the whole cross thing go on , and then his essene mates got him outta there...he never rose from the dead, he knew how to control his pulse enough to be able to make it look like he was dead (remember in silence of the lambs, hannibal was in the jail cell in the art gallery thingy and he got out cos he looked like he was dead......? same thing. )
the essenes taught Jesus to be able to do that kind of thing.....yogi type stuff.....Jesus was the greatest Yogi that ever lived.....
Like I said......read JESUS LIVED IN INDIA............

P.S Mary is buried in pakistan.....whats she doing there?

Moulin.....you hate being wrong huh?

[Liquid Green]

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm

this is a link to the book......but it could actually be another one.....i have the book in another state and i dont know the name of the author..
the author of the book was a german, so it is possible this is the right link.....

none the less.....why would there be such a story about a man that was a made up thing.......****, truth can be that bizarrre!

[Liquid Green]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOWil2UUrU8

watch this too.

[Moulin]

I love to be wrong!!! ...then l learn something ;)

LOL @Mary being buried in Pakistan - surrounded by scheming, manipulative Pakistani's ! That's just so surreal...

I remember everyone going on about how wonderful Sai Barbar was... until he was thrown in jail for child abuse.

Why do you think Jesus was in India?
P.S Mary is buried in pakistan.....whats she doing there?

Moulin.....you hate being wrong huh?

[Liquid Green]

sai baba that dude with the big hair.......tripper!

actually i could be wrong about mary....she could be in very northern india near the kashmir area.....but very close to pakistan....(she has a man that watches her grave constantly...when he dies someone takes his place.....very cool prospect that your guarded after life)

there are historical references to jesus being in kashmir.......
you will just have to look for yourself....but everything i have read about the topic makes logical sense....and i dont know why the indians would have any reason to make up false historical records....they arent asking for ANTHING!

there are even stories that NOAH and his ark was around the kashmir area.....

Look into it...i am eating lunch....if i can find more info i'll post again soon.

[Liquid Green]

and i must add......very racist of you to be calling Pakistani's what you did......watch yourself!


sorry this thread has come to this........but with this being general chat and all, i hope its ok....
(most general chatting never stays on the original topic)

[Moulin]

LOL

Me racist? funny... my inlaws are Pakistani so l think l know what i'm talking about... maybe l should have explained that in my previous post. It's common knowledge - just like it's common knowledge that brits are POMs :)
and i must add......very racist of you to be calling Pakistani's what you did......watch yourself!


sorry this thread has come to this........but with this being general chat and all, i hope its ok....
(most general chatting never stays on the original topic)

[Liquid Green]

whatever Moulin.....sometimes not responding to your stupid comments is the best thing i can be doing!:p

[Liquid Green]

also moulin.....your zeigeist link is the wrong one.

[Moulin]

oops, sorry ;)

try this :) http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

also moulin.....your zeigeist link is the wrong one.

[wayne penner]

Well if Jesus was a real person and not a fictional character it is almost certain that he was not a carpenter all his life, making crosses and such.

The last mention of him before his ministry was at age 12, when he was already lecturing the Elders in the Temple. Nothing more is known of him for 18 years. I would say it is a certainty that he traveled extensively and also a certainty that he would have visited India, at that time a civilization that was already 3,000 years old.

We may never know for certain what he was doing for those 18 years, but it is doubtful that he was doing what the rest of us were doing at that age, getting stoned and trying to get laid. Jesus seems to have been a little more advanced than most of us ...

[Liquid Green]

Ha........very true!

[4leafclovah]

LG, I just posted something about this under the Black Majick thread. You know, it amazes me how many people are curious about life on other planets, yet they have no tolerance for those that are different here on this earth. I think we need to work on tolerance right here on earth before we go bugging other beings with our neuroses.

Sorry LG, this post is a general comment about our society today. I wasn't directing this towards any one person. Sorry, if this was taken the wrong way :)

[Liquid Green]

no problem clover:)................thanks for editing!

[4leafclovah]

Sometimes I have a hard time getting my point across in the appropriate manner. It's one of my many shortcomings!:o

[dreamtimez]

No rejection ! People would rather have me read their future :cool: