Will my parents split up?

[Lissa]

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Question was asked at 3h26PM August15 in Tires,Portugal.

My parents had a very rough arguement last night.I'm not sure why the discussion started becasue when I got hom with my mom she was all cheerful and happy but I heard my dad insulting my mother's family.My grandparents are very ill and my mother's two siblings are(were,one of them is now dead)both mentally ill so it was really mean of my dad to say those things.My parents have these type of arguements every once in a while and they did separate for a year when I was about8.

I do think I would be better off if they got a divorce,even if,finantially,the situation would get a little bit complicated.Right now,I don't feel like putting up with my dad's bad temper and my mom's unpredictable explosions,I already had to mother my own mother when I was10,we don't even have our room keys because my mother once locked herself in the bathroom,I don't feel like parenting my parents right now.

This chart is very confusing,I'm getting mixed signals from it.

I'll be taking my dad as the4th and my mom as the10th.

First,I'm Jupiter and my significator is full of strenght,having just got out of it's Rx motion.And the POF is very strong too,cardinal and in my house,in sextile with the North Node,another "friendly" point,so,ultimately,I will be alright and,whatever happens,I'm sort of "protected",I guess.My dad has Uranus on his cusp,which perfectly fist the type of behaviour he's been having lately.He is Jupiter too,in my house(worried about me???),very strong;however,my mom's significator is very strong too,being cazimi.With my dad's significator in his own sign and my mom's significator(Mercury)in Leo,they are both being driven by their egos right now,almost like a battle of who gives up first.My mom has the Moon in her angle,which I'm taking as another significator of strenght.No planet changes signs before the Moon goes void so no one will change their minds;whatever is in their minds at this point,that will be their next action.

The Moon's last aspect is a square with the1st house Pluto,which does seem to be speaking of ruptures.And the angles are mutable,so my current situation will change.

I'm taking this as a yes.

Any opinions?

[sskohli]

hi lissa
sorry to hear about it..
take up a seed please
thanks
sandeep

[Lissa]

Hi Sandeep!

Thank you for being a kind soul and helping me,as you always do:39:

I take 119.

[sskohli]

Hi lissa
thanks for your kind words as ever..(i generally pitch in to help..but people don't take me seriously..I don't blame them as well...as they don't know this so they can't verify it..but then what the hell..i am learning in the process...i give them my take on their question..and the result..helps me in refining my predictions...)
ok enough harping...
I don't know what your question was...
if your question is "I want my parents to split"...then the answer is yes, what you want would be fulfilled.
But if i just take it on face value..."Will they split" then the answer is no they won't..it's just a phase and they will get over it...
i am getting all lovey dovey numbers...so there is no chance of divorce...but then you have to be careful on the question...

hope this makes sense

sandeep

[Lissa]

Hi Sandeep!

That actually makes sense.

I don't know what I want,and there lies the problem regarding this question.

I'm mature enough to know my parents would be better off without each other,they fight a lot,mostly about money,they do love each other but things get pretty ugly when they fight,my mom has no control over her actions and she is very mean to us when she's upset.I would be happier with the family altogether if they knew how to get along,but they don't,and I'm tired of all the screaming and whatnot.Right now I'll be having scrambled eggs for dinner because they both refuse to do the grocery shopping.It's quite a blessing to have food on my table,since lots of people don't,but the point is that they're both acting like children and the ral children(me and my brothers)get caught up in the middle of the fighting.

I know my mom would be more emotionally stable without having my father picking up on her,the only thing that worries me about a possible divorce is that I would have to battle a lot to help my mom keep her finances in check,even my dad gaves sent us money every month,my mom is very careless with her possessions.I do feel like I'm my mom's mother at times and she has also admitted and we seem to change places sometimes.

I don't know how Nadi Astrology works,from what I've been getting from your posts it seems it has a lot to do with numbers and their meanings,you said you were getting lots of love numbers so I guess they'll stay together.

Thank you again!

Blessings,
Lissa

[sskohli]

sure
hope things work out for you...
like i said..the results would be what You desire..cos you were the querent.

thanks,
sandeep

[archergirl]

Hi Lissa,

Good reading of the chart; however, you missed a small something. The Moon is VOC in your chart; nothing will come of your question. ;)

Sometimes when people have lived together for a long time, they develop a 'can't live with, can't live without' sort of relationship. And some relationships sort of thrive on occasional conflict. :rolleyes:

I totally agree that you don't need to be the parent to your parents. You might want to mention that to them, politely.

x AG:)

[Lissa]

Hi Archer,thank you for chiming in!

I personally don't consider the Moon to be VOC if it still has to aspect a modern,but those are just different ways of doing things.

The problem is that I can't say anything politely to my mom with her in this emotional condition wuthout getting into a huge fight.Right now I'll just wait and see,and hope they don't get into further trouble with eachother.

Blessings,
Lissa

[archergirl]

Hi Lissa,

Even if you take a square from the Moon to a modern planet, the significators of your parents still make no applying aspects. Jupiter, your father, and Mercury, your mother, are both in diginity, but have long separated from an aspect, in this case, a trine. This may indicate that their dancing days are over, but their planets cannot apply to a square (Mercury from Virgo, for example) because there is impedition; Mercury cannot reach the square to Jupiter from Virgo because other planets are in the way.

The Moon may as well be VOC in this chart, because there is also no translation of light between Mercury, Jupiter, and the Moon. You will have to decide for yourself what Pluto actually signifies; it is considered mostly malefic in horary, but again, the Moon has passed any *relevant* aspect/planet to your question. That it applies by square to Pluto is rather incidental and could just describe further conflict, as could Mars' applying opposition to Jupiter from the turned house of the 'end of the matter' for your dad, the 7th. I suspect he will continue his path of aggression for some time yet. Mercury has passed any aspect to Mars (although there is some reception), so your mom may just choose to ignore it.

But splitting up? There is nothing in this chart to indicate that.

Cheers,
AG:)

[Lissa]

Hi again Archer,

I did notice that my parents significators didn't connect in any way,I took it as a sign that their days together were over.What i didn't see was that the Moon isn't applying to aspect any significat planet/point to the question,I didn't notice that so thank you for bringing it into awareness;)!

So I guess the situation will stay the same,which is worse than a possible divorce.Anyways my parents dancing days were never too happy and they have always had this sort of conflicts from time to time.I guess they're going through one of those phases were they start an open war and dismiss themselves from their other duties,leaving me the task to make sure the house doesn't fall apart and my little brothers don't kill each other.:) It's a national holiday here today but I guess I'll have to take my money and go out shopping for food tomorrow,my parents really are planning on letting us starve to death with their stubborness;).

Greetings,
Lissa

[archergirl]

Hi Lissa,

If Mercury and Jupiter had *just* separated, you could take this as a sign of splitting up (despite the lack of aspect from the Moon), or if they were just about to apply by a square, you could also take this as the same.

It's just that they are about one-third a sign away from *any* sort of aspect, and this says that they are 'in the middle of it' rather than at the beginning or end of anything.

I was thinking further about that Mars on the 7th cusp; Mars is in the sign of Jupiter's detriment, and is the natural significator for divorce. Divorce would be 'bad for' your dad, and/or he doesn't like the idea of divorce, although he may sometimes wish they would split up.

What is interesting is that Mars, Jupiter and Mercury all share some receptions by sign, face, and term; they probably both think about divorce or separation but are also still attached to one another, strange as it may seem.

Don't take on too many of their burdens; you will get locked into their expectation that YOU will take care of things for them. This is not healthy for anyone, of any age, but especially since you are still quite young (from my viewpoint ;) ). If I were a millionaire, I'd buy a house in Portugal, and let you and your brothers live there away from the conflict. As it is, I can only send you my best wishes.

AG:)

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[unukalhai]

Lissa,

Sorry to hear. I've got alot to learn on horary aside from my non-standard methods, but just wanted to say hang in there; I think it ends up being the nightmare of us Capricorn-rising natives to have to parent our parents! I certainly had to do my share of this, especially with my father. Poor guy just doesn't have much common sense, lol. Stay strong and things will look brighter in time. My folks went through years of ups and downs, going as far as finalizing divorce paperwork, but never followed through. AG is so right about the "cant live with, cant live without" thing; I hope I never get myself into that mess, my parents sure did...

You might have some fun playing around with your parent's composite or davidson chart... Not sure if you follow their transits or relationship chart... At the least you might learn a little from it and maybe understand better why they are all fired up.

AG, must say I love your straight-forward ways of applying horary, and thanks for so many informative posts (here and on other threads).

[Lissa]

Darn it,my computer shut off on it's own when I was trying to reply!!!

Thanks to the four of you for your support :39: My Cappy Ascendant does actually enjoy being in charge of the house,as long as there's no screaming I'll be fine,it's the screaming and the arguing that gets on my nerves.Right now my parents are playing that game where they're sitting in the same room and insist on using us as means of communication.Anyways,this was much worse when I was little,couldn't take care of myself and didn't have anyone to save me from all the fighting.I used to have my mother's data but I totally forget where I put that,I'm dying to run a composite for them!All I can remember from her chart is that she has a Moon/Mars conjunction in Leo,in the4th house I believe,an aspect which my dad also has,but in Aries and in either the11th or the12th house(their Moon/Mars conjunctions make no aspect to each other because my dad's one is in early Aries and my mom has it in late Leo),and both of them are Taurus rising as well.So both have really fiery temperaments.

The thing about this is that I'm starting to see a pattern with the boys I like...all of them had hard aspects between the Moon and Mars:eek:.Even when I don't know their birth times and run a noon chart for them,their Moon and Mars are always in signs that are traditionally conjunct,in square or opposition!

Cheers everyone,
Lissa

[lillyjgc]

Hey Lissa, I have a cap asc and like you I had to take responsibility for my siblings when mum and *dad* were at war,,,which was often (both alcoholics and gamblers)...At 16 I WAS* mum* to my 3 younger siblings....You are a very strong and capable young woman, in many ways *already* independent ....This strength has COME from the challenges which you have risen to...Luckily you have Saturn which is very character building.You are doing it tough but you are doing it!.Good on you. I agree that your parents won't split in a literal way but in a way they are already *split*..Things will go on as usual and relationships can be soooooo very complex..lots of things hold people together...as you are learning. Warm wishes, Lillyjgc

[Lissa]

Hi Lilly,thank you too for your kind words!Here are some flowers for you too: :39:

I'm defintely starting to see a pattern here,with the Cappy Risings and the problems at home...It's probably a part of our Saturnian nature,that we have to take on more responsability than others while growing up.And you're right,what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger.

Blessings,
Lissa