Is this man evil?

[crabapple]

Could someone take a look at the natal chart of my X? I believe he wants to get back together, and although I have feelings for him, I'm not sure its a good idea. Nonetheless, for six years, he's been on my mind. I need to make a decision. If the consensus is that he's bad, I'm going to run- very far away. I'm not going to give you all that back and forth, tiresomely dwelling on his good points and his big what-you-may-call-it.

We met when he became the director of a program I worked at. At first I had no idea he was interested, and was surprised -almost shocked- when I found out. The man is gorgeous: tall, slim, blond (I don't usually go for blonds)- and I don't think I am more than average. One of the things in my mind was -what does he want with me?

He seemed to be a sweet and caring man. He also seemed to be a little overwhelmed and seemed to let people take advantage of his good nature. He gave everyone a break, even when they didn't seem to deserve it. He was in a lot of stress at work. There were difficulties with higher ups. In spite of a lot of good speeches, he totally caved to what they wanted. It was as if he didn't know he was director and the Board and others could really push him around.

Still, things went well for a while. I played that Virgo role, the Right Hand of Some Bigshot. Then he, I believe, started drinking excessively and using, perhaps, weed. I am totally against drugs, so he didn't confide in me, but from his behavior and other signs he was on something. He started being hard to find and hard to get a straight answer from. I had a typical, unevolved, Moon in Scorpio reaction. I was tooth-grindingly angry. I let him have it several times, even at work. And wouldn't you know he had a wife and a newborn baby daughter! After that, I wouldn't have anything to do with him.

I had to leave that workplace because he wouldn't let it go. Not only didn't he seem to have no sense of the immorality of his actions, but also he became jealous, possessive, resentful, mean, and suspicious when I tried to move on with my own life. He was a real S.O.B. I felt seriously harrassed, and a lot of gossip was going around. I lost friends due to all this.

He's a Capricorn; I have always loved Capricorns, with their level heads and their dry wit. This man has a stellium in Capricorn: Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus. All are conjunct, except Mercury. That would seem good, but when I read up on it, it looks like Capri. in the moon and Venus can be mean to those they care about. They may also want to use those who care about them to advance their career.

His Mars is in Pisces, which I read can be dishonest, in denial, passive-aggressive, or downright unbrave. I confess, with my Mars in Leo, I don't get evasivenes. And when he wan't growling at me, he was giving me the slip or B.S. ing when I needed to talk to him. At the end, he was giving everyone at the job the slip. Finally, he left, took his wife and kid and moved back to Kansas. I was so relieved.

Now I expect him to be back in NY soon. He's all "everything will be explained."

I have a number of questions, and will deeply appreciate an answer to any of them:

Would it be a mistake to work for him again?
What indicates that angry jealousy?
Is he dangerous- I mean, will he sock me in the eye sometime? (I want to avoid that, in case you're wondering).
Is he a basically honest person who was under a lot of pressure?
Or is he a basically dishonest person who uses charm to get what he wants?
Was his initial caring attitude towards me and others phony?
Can he be trusted when he says he's split up with his wife?

I'm going to try and post his chart. If that doesn't work, his data is:

January 7, 1970
no birthtime known
kansas City, Kansas, USA

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=ysifileObN2Mi-u1068387334&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=25&nho2=1&btyp=2&mth=gw&sday=11&smon=7&syr=2007&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=2&ano=1&add=22&ast=

[sskohli]

Hi CA,
very difficult to get the chart without birthtime, why don't you choose a random number from 1 to 249 and let's see how this person is from horary.

Sandeep

[Ebenia]

Of course you cannot say much from no time chart. But from my own experience I can tell you, that Capricorns may have serious problems with their head. I am a cappy too, but as far as I am concearned, I am complitely fine. ;) But I have read, that it is very common for murder's to have many planets in Capricorn or Sagittarius. From what I believe, I can see this being completely true.

Your ex has major planets in Capricorn, Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus. This alone doesn't really mean anything, of course and you would need a time for full consideration. But for example Moon in Capricorn usually refers to cold homelife and that alone can lead into serious problems in persons life.

But, even without a chart, I would say that you ex must have some problems and I am sorry for what you have gone through. You don't need a chart to tell that it is definately good that he is your EX. I cannot say if he is dangerous or not, but if you feel bad around him or you sense something "not right" in the situation, then you must trust your own instincs.

[Lissa]

Hi Crabapple,

I second what Sskholi said,it's very difficult to work on a birth chart when the birth time is unknown.You see,lots of people are born on the same day,same place,not everyone experiences the same things,there's a reason why I'm here and the other kids who were born on the same day are somewhere else,and the reason lies in our birth time(not to mention there's a lot of willpower involved here too).

[crabapple]

Hi CA,
very difficult to get the chart without birthtime, why don't you choose a random number from 1 to 249 and let's see how this person is from horary.

Sandeep

Okay- I choose the number 5.

[crabapple]

To get his birthtime, I'm going to look through my notebook and see if I can find his chart. I believe I had it several years ago....

[sskohli]

Hi CA,
Acording to the horary chart, it shows an aries ascendant with Mars Afflicted with Saturn present in the Ascendant.
Also with Nadi coordinates he has a lot of 7,8,12 in his Mars, meaning, he can become very violent. But there are some 5s and 11s in it as well, describing the charming personality.
And the seed you took was 5, the number of love, so it suggests you are still attracted to him.
If you go by brains, stay far. If you go by heart, well you know the answer. :)
Sandeep

[astrobhadauria]

It is the game of "Stars",Jupiter,the Star of knowlede,giving ideas him about managing Sun (Father),Moon and Venus (Two female person),machinary items,those related to power,and stone type cold body.image of this person like a stone,black stone,colored by pink and white color,having full energy,and can make action within second,having full knowledge to make clearness in the area of enmity,credits,and diseases.always can fight with works related to electric,and power supply fields.

[crabapple]

Okay, I dug through my notebook, then some papers, and I found it. The chart I have for him also shows 12 noon- so it looks like he really was born then. I would think maybe someone rounded the time up or down. Maybe not; my father was born at 12:30. Someone has to be born at noon, why not him?

....from my own experience I can tell you, that Capricorns may have serious problems with their head. I am a cappy too, but as far as I am concearned, I am complitely fine. ;) But I have read, that it is very common for murder's to have many planets in Capricorn or Sagittarius. From what I believe, I can see this being completely true.
Really? I have always loved Capricorns and thought they were great :D. But then I'm talking about the Sun sign only. Other planets, such as the Moon, don't seem to do as well with this placement.

Your ex has major planets in Capricorn, Sun, Moon, Mercury and Venus. This alone doesn't really mean anything, of course and you would need a time for full consideration. But for example Moon in Capricorn usually refers to cold homelife and that alone can lead into serious problems in persons life.
From what I've been told, his parents were really rigid and more than a little harsh. For some reason, they found him to be something like an odd, little dreamer; and they snapped at him and did things to humiliate that out of him. (Wouldn't that make him more odd? I don't know what they were thinking.) For him, people's opinions of him seem to be extremely important.

....if you feel bad around him or you sense something "not right" in the situation, then you must trust your own instincs.
In regards to him, I am deeply confused. I rely on my instincts about people. I even flatter myself to say I am usually right. For some reason, this man has the power to really surprise me. A lot of his actions were entirely unexpected. Perhaps because he has three Uranus squares to his stellium? I know he has been in therapy; perhaps he has resolved some or all of his issues?


....You see,lots of people are born on the same day,same place,not everyone experiences the same things,there's a reason why I'm here and the other kids who were born on the same day are somewhere else,and the reason lies in our birth time(not to mention there's a lot of willpower involved here too).

I get you. Even twins have differences. And this will sound stupid, even to me: I hope he has changed. I mean, he's been in therapy, so evidently he wants to change. Perhaps he has applied his willpower to this?

Hi CA,
Acording to the horary chart, it shows an aries ascendant with Mars Afflicted with Saturn present in the Ascendant.
with Nadi coordinates he has a lot of 7,8,12 in his Mars, meaning, he can become very violent. But there are some 5s and 11s in it as well, describing the charming personality.
And the seed you took was 5, the number of love, so it suggests you are still attracted to him.
If you go by brains, stay far. If you go by heart, well you know the answer. :)
Sandeep
Thank you for the Horary reading, Sandeep. :D He has never actually done any violence to me, but I have seen flashes of a temper that terrified me. His Mars in Pisces is in H12. I take that to mean that he hides his temper. But he's charming all right, and I do have strong feelings for him.

Um...what do you mean by Nadi coordinates and Seed?

[sskohli]

HI CA,
The form of astrology i am learning and practicing, all the planets get certain co-ordinates/numbers based on their positions. All these numbers have certain meanings, (basically house numbers). So we can seeing these coordinates we can predict the events.
Seed is a number, taken in horary questions. the ascendant is decided on the seed taken.
Thanks
sandeep

[crabapple]

HI CA,
The form of astrology i am learning and practicing, all the planets get certain co-ordinates/numbers based on their positions. All these numbers have certain meanings, (basically house numbers). So we can seeing these coordinates we can predict the events.
Seed is a number, taken in horary questions. the ascendant is decided on the seed taken.
Thanks
sandeep
:eek: I don't know how you did it Sandeep, because I don't know anything about horary- but his Asc. is in Aries. When you gave your horary answer, I admit I took it with a grain of salt....That you would have the answer seemed kind of mystical. Wow! Thank you!

The chart I originally posted is accurate; he really was born at noon. I hadn't remembered that. Whenever I see a a birthdate or chart with a noontime birth, I suspect that the time is unknown or estimated; but I guess, statistically, someone has to be born at noon. Maybe the time has been rounded up or rounded down, but he says noon.

It is the game of "Stars",Jupiter,the Star of knowlede,giving ideas him about managing Sun (Father),Moon and Venus (Two female person),machinary items,those related to power,and stone type cold body.image of this person like a stone,black stone,colored by pink and white color,having full energy,and can make action within second,having full knowledge to make clearness in the area of enmity,credits,and diseases.always can fight with works related to electric,and power supply fields.
I'm afraid I don't understand you well- but thank you for your help and concern. :)

[Lunar Pisces]

I'll cut through the BS for you:

1 - he isn't evil. he's obviously disturbed emotionally and has MAJOR control issues, and while that's enough to stay far, far away from him, it doesn't make him evil. Evil is - whoa - whole other ballgame.

2 - You already know the answers to you questions, at least the ones that matter. You express it quite clearly in your first post. Your problem isn't what to think about the guy, it's trusting yourself and your own instincts to do the right thing

3 - Yeah he's a Cap. Yeah he has Mars in Pisces. Yeah all signs and planets have a "bad" side. So what? You don't need astrology in this situation. In fact, it seems astrology is giving you an excuse to waffle and avoid action (god, don't tell me you've got a lot Libra). He's not balanced and you already know that. That's all that matters.

Now, go do the right thing for yourself and get on with your life.

[crabapple]

I'll cut through the BS for you:....

2 - You already know the answers to you questions...Your problem isn't what to think about the guy, it's trusting yourself and your own instincts to do the right thing

3 - ....You don't need astrology in this situation....astrology is giving you an excuse to waffle and avoid action...He's not balanced and you already know that. That's all that matters.

Now, go do the right thing for yourself and get on with your life.
Was I getting B.S.ed? :confused: I don't think so.

And I really didn't know- why do you think I did? Because I otherwise seem intelligent? And I find you unkind and presumptuous to say so. I believe you mean well, but you are a little harsh.

I've got Moon conjunct Neptune, which can indicate emotional self-deception. I've got Virgo Sun semisquare my Scorpio moon- my emotions don't always make sense to me, I'm not always realistic, nor am I great at controlling myself when there's something I want. I've got Mars square Neptune, which I take to mean I act on these self-deceptions.

I'll admit that part of the problem is that I want to believe him. I want to believe that he's basically good and his behavior was an abberation. I want to believe that he's worked on his issues. I want to believe that I am trying to work on my Plutonian issues- forgiveness and such.

I'm looking for clarity and support. I'm looking to be told a more objective truth than I can generate for myself. And I didn't know that he had all these problems- they certainly didn't show on the surface. I have this tendency to pick men who look good on the outside, and then I find out they are alcoholics, addicts, and/or abusive. I don't know why I do that.

Thank you, Lunar Pisces- you have helped me, even if I am stung by your post. What you've said has made me examine my own motives more closely. And I have Mercury one degree in Libra, and conjunct the Sun in my Virgo stellium.

[sskohli]

The fact that his ascendant turned out aries is just a coincidence, I created a chart with the time of creating the chart with each seed indicating a different ascendant.
And I think LP is right, You already know the answer, and you are just evading it.
Its a great type of astrology and very accurate, maybe if i have enough time, will ceate a website or something. If anybody want to help me in this they are welcome.
sandeep

[crabapple]

....And I think LP is right, You already know the answer, and you are just evading it....

sandeep
Why do you think that, especially considering the reply I posted to Lunar Pisces?

....I've got Moon conjunct Neptune, which can indicate emotional self-deception. I've got Virgo Sun semisquare my Scorpio moon- my emotions don't always make sense to me, I'm not always realistic, nor am I great at controlling myself when there's something I want. I've got Mars square Neptune, which I take to mean I act on these self-deceptions....

I'm looking for clarity and support. I'm looking to be told a more objective truth than I can generate for myself. And I didn't know that he had all these problems- they certainly didn't show on the surface. I have this tendency to pick men who look good on the outside, and then I find out they are alcoholics, addicts, and/or abusive. I don't know why I do that.