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Lissa
07-11-2007, 09:14 AM
My little sister is such a hard-to-deal-with child,there are some times when she really looks like one of those kids you see on the Dr.Phil show.She's the only child I know who can cry for hours for no reason at all.

She's behaving better lately,but just a few weeks ago there was not one single day where she didn't cry for one or two hours straight,for reasons that are far beyond our understanding.Most of the times she starts screaming she wants something,like water for example,we give her what she wants and she screams she doesn't want it anymore,so we take it away from her,she starts screaming she wants water again,we give her water,she screams she doesn't want water,we go away again,and then we notice it she has already been crying for one hour straight(I don't know how that girl doesn't lose her voice!).We try to do everything to calm her down-we ask her what she wants,try to give it to her if possible,we try to play with her,etc,but it's pointless,she only stops crying when she feels like stoping crying.Sometimes the crying starts for really stupid reasons-last month my uncle came to our house and she was crying because she didn't want him to sit in the couch,she wanted him to stand still in front of the TV!!!!And she has done this with the entire family-a few days ago I was in my bedroom and she was downstairs,and she started screaming she wanted me to go to bed!Come on-I was in my room minding my own business,I wasn't even anywhere near her,and she starts screaming she wants me to go to bed...?

The worst episode was during our holidays in Algarve-she cried non-stop for2hours,and I'm not exagerating.We were in the car and my dad was driving,and she cried during the entire time,and we couldn't even understand why she was crying.

This gives birth to a lot of very stressful situations in our home-most of the times we just ignore her,and try to play her or ask her what she wants when she calms down.Things get really nasty when she starts crying for my mom-my mom is really nervous and she gets extremly stressed when this things happen because my sister screams and screams she wants my mom but when our mother tries to talk to her she starts kicking her.

When does this end,you may be asking.This ends when my sister decides to put an end to it-she usually sits in the couch with my mom or dad and then gets back to her normal life and goes to play with my little brother.

I understand that children are children,and my little sister is only a baby,but still,my mom has raised3children(me,my brother and our cousin)apart from her and we have two cousins who are the same age as my siblings,and our fmaily says they've never seen a child like this.My mom even says my sister beats me when it comes to crying,and I was an awful baby,I was always crying,crying,I only stopped being like that when I started walking(I guess my Aries planets just needed some independence).Actually,one of our cousins was born on the same year as my sister(in February),and she doesn't behave like this,she asks for it when she wants something and she rarely cries.

My sister's chart is here: http://s153.photobucket.com/albums/s231/Lissa_C17/?action=view&current=Clara.gif

Looking at her chart,she has a few things in common with me-the 1st house Uranus/Neptune,Jupiter in the7th,and the Aries Moon.And I go through periods of time when I feel sad for no reason-maybe my sister gets all grouchy for no reason too(great,now I'm trying to psycho-analyze a3year old child).

I guess my real question is,why does she cry like that,and what can we do to calm her?

Spin
07-11-2007, 10:17 AM
Probably emotional frustration--her aries moon is on a tsquare with mercury & venus on one side and saturn on the other. And for the past year transiting saturn has been semi & sesqui squaring the configuration so she may be more frustrated than usual. With her fire sun & moon, physical activity could be a channel for the emotion, whether sports, dance, etc...

Ebenia
07-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Hello Lissa. I can really feel your pain, I take care of children as my dayjob and one child is exactly like that. It is so irritating and it takes so much energy, that I totally understand how frustrated you must be.

From my own experience I just have to tell you that she must be testing your limits and you have to be extremely tough on her. I know it is hard, but it is really the only way. Everytime she kicks or screams without reason, you have to take her to her room and leave her there or you can take away her toys, don't show tv or something else that is valuable to her. You really have to teach her that she cannot rule your house and she just cannot kick and scream like that.

First, it is going to get worse. She is making every effort to make you feel bad about punishing her for bad behaviour. It can get really bad at first - but when she starts to realize that you do not work like machines and that you are not there only for her, then it gets better. It takes a little time, but it is so much worth it. Believe me, if you let her rule the house now at that age, I can quarantee that you are going to have an extreme problems when she turns 13.

If she does these things that first wants water and then does not, then you should not go with her wants and not-wants. If she wants water and you give it to her and she starts to scream, then just take the bottle away and let her scream. I know it sounds horrible, but it is the only way to make it work. I hope you understand how important it is to give those saturnian rules to her - she is moon aries and she truly needs balance and those rules, cause without them, she can really go overboard. It is better for her that she knows what she can and cannot do, because she cannot define those lines herself.

I hope the very best to you!

eonechoes
07-12-2007, 04:35 AM
I was going to say about the same as Spin. Moon in Aries challenged cannot help things. Moon in Aries (peregrine) gives outbursts on it's own, let alone being the apex of a t-square. Mars isn't helping here either. Mars in Pisces doesn't know how to react properly to things (generally it's said to make someone soft tempered - never reacting madly; but as a Piscean I know that when we are upset with things we get very, very emotional about it - I feel like this in and of itself could frustrate her). My friend's father has both of these placements but I don't think they receive the challenging aspects that her's does. He's soft tempered but he doesn't talk to people when he's upset. He clams up.

lillyjgc
07-12-2007, 07:25 AM
Hi Lissa, I have had a look at Clarinha's chart....I notice a definite overload of planets in saturn's sign and saturn in detriment on H6 cusp....There are a lot of reasons I can see why your sister cries.... With her H1 Neptune, sextile both the luminaries I feel she is a very psychically sensitive child...Her moods are influenced strongly by her sun/jupiter square. and the Aries "Watta bout me?" moon wants her own way instantly and everytime....With jupiter also in detriment (but in the house of *health matters*) maybe she feels sick sometimes for no apparent reason...How this is handled is crucial- this girl's chart has all the hallmarks of the potential to develop into a big bully..(Mars in H1 opp Jupiter square pluto- my oh my)...With her saturn opp venus she probably doesnt feel too happy much of the time. I notice on her transits she has TR uranus square N pluto, kicking off her inconjunct from pluto to the N Node (anti-social behaviour) and her natal uranus square the MC indicates a rebellious temperament..With natal jupiter also square pluto (bullying tactics) this child must be taught- nay conditioned to allow others to also have their way- the art of compromise...When she throws her hissy fits it ios vital that she not be given into..this would teach her that tantrums get the desired result.Personally, when she threw one I would turn some nice music on and put headphones on or start doing something very interesting....this child needs constant stimulation and structured activities...Music and art will be soothing to her soul...The bach flower remedy crabapple (sorry, crabapple!) would no doubt help her as would impatiens. The homeopathic remedy" colocynth " may help with her tummy/digestive problems...I think this child will be supersensitive to colourings and preservatives (aspartame for instance) so i would give her a very organic diet- not much sugar or sweet drinks .Also put her to bed at a non-negotiable time. A child with this difficult chart needs lots of emotional security and absolutely no positive reinforcement of her attention seeking tantrums...Later in life she will find the proper outlet for her psychic energies but meanwhile as a child may suffer strange and frightening fancies especially when in new places or with strangers or people wearing costumes or masks....She needs stories to be read to her that reinforce her sense of safety in the world and also stories that teach compassion..also fairies and imaginative stuff (to validate her own mystical impressions)- Her Neptune can be a strong point for her because of its helpful sextile to the sun and the moon.Perhaps next time she's "chucking a wobbly" the rest of the family could start doing something fun together and she will learn that her behaviour excludes her from being part of the group-her aries moon will want her to be involved so as a strategy, that might work in conjunction to a wholistic approach...hope this helps, lillyjgc

Lissa
07-12-2007, 07:56 AM
Hi there everyone,thank you for the tips on how to treat her and the chart interpretations!

My little sister already is a bully...In school she's very bossy and doesn't mind screaming a little to get what she wants from other kids,I remember one time her educator told my mom they were playing a game and my sister lost and they had to play the game all over again and let her win because she was about to start screaming...!:eek:

wilsontc
07-13-2007, 06:27 PM
Lissa,

You said:
Sometimes the crying starts for really stupid reasons-last month my uncle came to our house and she was crying because she didn't want him to sit in the couch,she wanted him to stand still in front of the TV!!!!And she has done this with the entire family-a few days ago I was in my bedroom and she was downstairs,and she started screaming she wanted me to go to bed!

Your little sister has Sun (self-expression, also ego) conjunct (energy is combined with) Pluto (transformation, also control) focused in the 10th house (duty, also authority), so she has a controlling ego and wants to be the boss. As Edina says, she has to learn that she is a child and adults make the decisions until later in her life. She will HATE this and will do everything she can to get back control. But if the adults are strong and hold out, your little sister will learn an important lesson in life: we don't always get what we want when we want it and people are not there to do whatever it is we want them to do. If she does not learn this now, there may be a lot of problems in her future when she meets up with someone with a violent temper and she starts yelling at them.

Warning,

Tim