guess the outcome exercise 2

[tikana]

Okay guys,

good job on 1st one..here is another one from last year

Will I meet O?
I have no previous connection with this guy. He surfaced up when i was talking to my friend. Basically, i didnt know him .. it was not a ROMANTIC interest.

Feb 8 2006
3:04 pm
los angeles
8 pst
20 cancer rising

guess the outcome.

good luck to all guessers
Tik

[Lissa]

Let's see if I can get it right this time:p

So you are the Moon,well dignified but hidden in the12th.He's Saturn,in a horrible position but in your house-under your spell:).The outcome is Venus,and Venus doesn't connect to any of your significators.

If we take the Sun and Mars as significators for men and the Moon and Venus as significators for women,the only aspect we can find is Venus getting ready to trine the debilitated Mars,which doesn't seem to be strong testimonial that anything happened.Venus receives Mars(his significator)by dignity,and his significator is also in your house,so the desire for a meeting was probably stronger on his part.On the other hand,the Part of Fortune(I recently learned the POF is what the querent desires)is in the5th house of romance,applying to trine Saturn,his significator.All this doesn't seem to be giving strong testimonial that the two of you did meet,BUT...the next planet the Moon contacts by conjunction is Saturn,which happens to be his significator,that after squaring the North Node(frustration)and opposing Venus(more frustration),so I'm gonna go a little bit crazy and say that you did meet him(I should probably find out I'm wrong a couple of hours later:p).

Greetings,
Lissa

[tikana]

Hey Lissa

Moon does not conjunct Saturn because they are in 2 different signs

Tik

[Lissa]

Yes,after leaving Leo.I've been watching on another forum,where someone more proeficient in horary than me puts some weight on the next planet the Moon conjuncts-just the next planet the Moon conjuncts,even if it has to leave signs to do it.I'm still trying to get along with this horary technique though.

[starlink]

Dont give the answer too fast now Tik, give me a break! Lets see what I find in this one.

[starlink]

OK, you are the Moon in 12 in own sign, nice, but in 12, so I guess you were keeping your feelings a secret at the time. (guess guess!!)
The other one is Saturn and he is in your first house, retro, so I think he liked you and he probably did want a bit more than just talking to you, as Saturn is retrograding towards a trine with the POF in the 5th. Lets keep it simple this time. The Moon is not making an aspect with Saturn and the end of the matter Venus is not happy in Capricorn and in a cadent house, weak. But she is in the term of Jupiter and Capricorn is a fixed sign and that often means a "yes". However, Saturn is retro and in the term of Mercury and Merc. is weakened by the sun and in a critical degree. Arranging a meeting involves probably a call. Mercury is ruler of the 3rd house of calls. He is not going to call I think. So no, you will probably not have met him again. (I think).

[tikana]

Starlin

He never met me until the summer when he did. We never talked before.
the answer was YES i did meet him
there was no need for a call
we had fun.. at least I did ..

Tik

[starlink]

AAAHHH! Good, this time Lissa got it right. Where did I go wrong? How does the Moon get to Saturn?? I guess that what Lissa mentioned about the Moon conjuncting Saturn AFTER leaving it's sign does work after all. Maybe that also shows that it takes a long time to meet up (from Febr. till the summer). Very interesting this one. How did you interpreted it yourself Tik? (at the time when you posed that question). Did you get to a yes or a no? Curious me.

[starlink]

Or maybe I should have stayed with the end of the matter Venus in the term of Jupiter in a fixed sign = YES. Oh dear, it is never easy ,is it!

[tikana]

Starlink

i got a yes

simple rule last aspecct of Moon

moon sextiled mars which is in 11th house.. mars rules 5th house romantic/creative and 11th house hopes wishes

so i was getting yes just because of that.

that is why i am thinking the marriage chart either is off or just plain unreadable!

Tik

[starlink]

Yeah hé! You started off by telling us that it was NOT a romantic interest, so I did not even consider Mars !! I looked at Saturn as being just another guy that you had seen with your girlfriend! Otherwise I am sure I would have seen it. Now that marriage chart, you mean the one that AG commented on, saying that the man maybe has been interested but not anymore? I saw the thread but did not go into it, had to leave, so I have not really studied it.

[tikana]

Hey


Yeah hé! You started off by telling us that it was NOT a romantic interest, so I did not even consider Mars !!

** it wasnt a romantic interest at all! Question was simple will i meet him at all? so it is flat out 1st and 7th.**

I looked at Saturn as being just another guy that you had seen with your girlfriend!

** my gf? huh what? ***

Otherwise I am sure I would have seen it. Now that marriage chart, you mean the one that AG commented on, saying that the man maybe has been interested but not anymore?

*** yeah that one... okay but
in this chart even Moon through oppposition to venus sextiling mars at the end it is YES
on other chart, trine to jupiter and venus it is a NO****

I saw the thread but did not go into it, had to leave, so I have not really studied it.

Tik

[starlink]

Hi Tik! It is early morning and I am looking at the chart (and your last reply) again. I do see of course that the last aspect of the Moon is sextile Mars. Opposition to Venus you take as a positive as well. OK. But then you say that it is a flat 1-7 question. I took it as a 1-7 question and therefore only looked at a positive connection between Moon (you) and the other (Saturn) you see. Now Mars is ruler 10 and 5 and I did not look at 5 because, as you said, there was no romantic issue here, just a:"shall I meet him again". Now, if I would have taken Mars as natural ruler of a man (like Lissa suggested), then maybe I would have incorporated Mars. I looked again and I think I should have found a "Yes" answer just by looking at your co-ruler, Saturn, being the same as the representer of the 7th. That alone could have been a "Yes", but also the ingoing trine with the POF. I read in one of my horary books that POF is always extremely strong when well aspected.
The marriage chart I will have a look at. I really like these exerrcises! Do you have another one for us? Cheers, Star.

[tikana]

hey guys

this chart is completely radical

if you dump this on top of my chart, then you get

asce falling straight into 11th house
moon conjuncts my natal mars right on top
Ic falls right onto my natal moon

fact ... we became very good friends!this is exactly what the chart was teling us from a get go.

Tik

[starlink]

Very nice Tik! Still, it totally tells you that the chart is radical (which tells us that we can proceed with the interpretation ), agreed, but that stil does not mean the the outcome would be a positive one. In your case it was, but I dont think that you became good friends because the two charts matched. If that were true, we would not have to delineate anymore right? Just my thought on this.

[tikana]

sure

look how the chart was describing what was to happen
if a chart is radical, it does not guarantee the possitive answer but what it says *as you said* judge this chart.

it straight forward said. you wont be strangers 1/7 no aspect but 1/11 there is moon/mars.

unlike the marriage chart, where asce lands in person's 5th house with saturn sitting in 12th very loosy conjuncting asce *i use 1-1.5 degrees* this one is 2+ degrees. that is why i am saying this is about look at it from 5th house issueeven if it is 7th ... dont ask me about a marriage because it is way too early!

if my friend was to ask "is he the one" then that would def bring up a marriage into a equation

also Ivy says that you shoudl consider ruler of decan of asce as a co-ruler.. in will i meet O, the ruler of 3rd decan of cancer is jupiter, which sits in his 11th house. moon sextiled mars in 23 deg = 6 months.. they met in july!

after hopping through venus. moon reaches jupiter! he was hessitant meeting her at first but it worked out perferctly.


Tik

[starlink]

Hi Tik, that is really great! I will have a look at that decanate thing next time around, always good to have a few more tricks ready for use! What about the 3rd question? Were we right?

[tikana]

Hi Tik, that is really great! I will have a look at that decanate thing next time around, always good to have a few more tricks ready for use! What about the 3rd question? Were we right?


I agree it is yes but there is not answer .. 1 year hasnt span just yet