Which house would represent a car?

[Neptune Rising]

Hi,

Could anyone please help, when asking a question about the possible purchase of a car, which house would I need to look at?

The 2nd house of money, or the 3rd house of short journeys/cars?

Many thanks indeed,

Neptune

[freedomlover]

Must be the subject of the day!!!
I was wondering the exact same thing a few hours ago!

I kind of arrived at the conclusion that a car, being a possession, would be 2nd house, and the movement it makes, or repairs that needed made to it would be 3rd house - kind of like the car is the body (2nd house) and the wiring/mechanical workings, etc is the nervous system of the body (3rd house). However I am definitely open to alternative viewpoints on this.

Anyway, I thought I would toss that out to you!

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

I would agree that a car would be a Second house object. If you're looking to purchase a car, then it would be the Eighth house, Second from the Seventh of other people, or the person you're buying it from. It could actually be a myriad of houses depending on whose car it was.

[Neptune Rising]

Hey thanks alot for the answers! It would be a 2nd hand car purchased from a car selling magazine.

I see, so if the car is already in your possession, then its 2nd house? But a potential purchase would be 8th, especially for 2nd hand cars? And maybe look at the condition of the 3rd houes ruler to tell if its a good buy, or an old banger?

Neptune

[freedomlover]

What KNS said made quite a bit of sense. I was thinking in terms of a car that was yours already is a 2nd house object. The retrograde Mercury has me mentally "skipping over" important clarifying phrases lately.:rolleyes: You did state that it was regarding the purchase. I told you the frame of reference I was coming from, when I was thinking about it, and passed my conclusions on to you. So, I guess the 7th would be the other person who has the car, and the 8th, (their turned 2nd) would be their possession.

As to the 3rd house.... I cannot comment on how this would work in horary. However, according to a book by astrologer Jan Spiller, both automobiles and mechanics come under Gemini, and the subheading "Motion". Therefore I deduce that it is the movement of the car or the "motion" inside the car - the working parts that would come under Gemini/3rd house. I still see the automobile itself being a 2nd house thing, if you already own it.

Also, I've read that among those astrologers who utilize asteroids, the asteroid #3200 Phaethon is associated with automobiles, although some say only with the travels made in an automobile.

[Neptune Rising]

What KNS said made quite a bit of sense. I was thinking in terms of a car that was yours already is a 2nd house object. The retrograde Mercury has me mentally "skipping over" important clarifying phrases lately.:rolleyes:

Cheers Freedomlover. Yes Mercury retrograde has been plaguing me and other! Amongst other numerous misunderstandings, I applied for a loan for the car and changed my mind about the amount 3 times! Uggh! I think I'm definately going to wait until its direct before my final decision and signing on the dotted line!

Thanks also for the infor about the asteroid, I do find they add extra clarity to a chart. I'll be looking into that one, it'll be interesting to see the aspects to it.

Neptune

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

As to the 3rd house.... I cannot comment on how this would work in horary. However, according to a book by astrologer Jan Spiller, both automobiles and mechanics come under Gemini, and the subheading "Motion". Therefore I deduce that it is the movement of the car or the "motion" inside the car - the working parts that would come under Gemini/3rd house. I still see the automobile itself being a 2nd house thing, if you already own it.

This kind of reminded me of something I saw in Christian Astrology. A horary chart concerning a ship at sea. What Lilly did was associate different parts of the boat by the different houses. So, it makes me think that one could do something similar with any kind of transportation device when it's appropriate.

[freedomlover]

As to the 3rd house.... I cannot comment on how this would work in horary. However, according to a book by astrologer Jan Spiller, both automobiles and mechanics come under Gemini, and the subheading "Motion". Therefore I deduce that it is the movement of the car or the "motion" inside the car - the working parts that would come under Gemini/3rd house. I still see the automobile itself being a 2nd house thing, if you already own it.
Okay, I had some more thoughts.

If it is an automobile trip or you needing a mechanic to fix your car, and the actual repairs made, that would be 3rd house.

However, can an object be the first house sig in horary? In that case, to see the conditon of the car, as to repairs, would you make the second house the first, and take the turned 3rd from that for the car's mechanical condition? (the 4th, if it was a car that was your possession)

Or did you say that already, KNS? :p

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Eh, more or less.

"What the heck is wrong with my car?"

Ah, then a specific part of the car takes the Ascendant, Second, Third, IC, Fifth, Sixth, Descendant, Eighth, Ninth, MC, Eleventh, and Twelfth based on...stuff. Not sure. Though, it'd probably be a direct reflection of the ship chart I was mentioning.

[starlink]

In the "Rulership Book" of Rex E.Bills, he mentions under cars: Uranus, 3rd.house, Mercury and Gemini, same for automobiles. Automobile trips 3rd., Mercury and Gemini. Automobile manufacturers, mechanics, dealers and racers: Uranus, Aquarius and the 3rd again. No mention of the 2nd house.
Maybe we should ask the pro's: Radu, Draco, Archer Girl? When my son had to sell his car and I asked the question: when will he sell the car? I used the 3rd and that worked.
But I do actually very much like what Freedomlover and KnS wrote, sounds more logical somehow.

[archergirl]

There is some debate about cars, but it comes down to 'form vs. function'. A car is something you own, and it is movable, so it is a 'movable possession': 2nd house.

What a car *does* is take you from one place to another on a journey: 3rd house.

It's easier if you look at it in reverse: if you want to buy someone else's car, you use the 7th for the seller, and the car s/he is selling is therefore the 8th: the seller's possession.

Frawley puts it succinctly:
If you are to assign things to their correct houses, it is vital to understand the difference between the thing itself and the function of that thing. The thing is what it is; its function may vary. Example: my piano is my possession and it is movable, so it is 2nd house. It has nothing to do with the 5th house of creativity and pleasure. To assign it to the 5th makes irrelevant assumptions: that I can play it; that it is playable; that I enjoy playing it. My piano is my movable possession, and so is 2nd house, even if my only use for it is to conceal a damp patch on the wall.The Horary Textbook p18

AG:)

[starlink]

Thanks a lot AG! Frawley's example is indeed very clear and now we all know what to do with other things as well that are sort of dual when we have to find a house representing them. I knew you would come to the rescue!!

[Neptune Rising]

Thats great, makes a lot of sense, many thanks Archergirl and everyone for such an interesting thread!

So I see a car as a movable possession, 2nd house. A car I'm going to buy from a private seller would then be turned 2nd house? Or keep it simple - 2nd house only?

Neptune

[freedomlover]

Neptune,

So I see a car as a movable possession, 2nd house. A car I'm going to buy from a private seller would then be turned 2nd house? Or keep it simple - 2nd house only?
I think Archergirl's statement summed up the general consensus. :rolleyes:

It's easier if you look at it in reverse: if you want to buy someone else's car, you use the 7th for the seller, and the car s/he is selling is therefore the 8th: the seller's possession.

[Neptune Rising]

I think Archergirl's statement summed up the general consensus. :rolleyes:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaahh! Mercury retro bit me again!! Agghh I can't wait till mid July. :rolleyes: Cheers freedomlover Sorry Archergirl!

Neptune