Jupiter in Scorpio

[baker]

Hello fellow forumeers!

Jupiter's at 1 Scorpio now. Extremely no doubt has got to be getting to everyone?

Let's share ....

Scorpio sits across house 9 and 10 for me and natally I have Saturn at 7 in the 9th and then Venus at 18 in the 10th.

massive truths being exposed, growth potential then I guess, not all that great so far (but then again we have this for about a year), but then the future ex is a Scorp and Scorp rising, so I think I just need to get away, for good.

Apparently we are to be reflecting back on 1993-1994 era, since that was the last time this happened.

[Lapis]

baker,

Sorry to be responding so late but today's the first time I've been able to get back into any of the forums here.

1993-1994 was the last time Jupiter was in Scorpio? :shock: 1993 and 94' was also the monumental Uranus and Neptune conjunctions in Capricorn! That was an extremely intense time for me personally....so much was going on. It feels like this transit cycle is going to be as potent if not more so.

[Elianah]

It is so good to be back! :D

Anyway, as to the topic at hand....

Jupiter right now popping a squat just south of my Scorpio Neptune and moving into exact opposition with Taurus Mars, all which square my Leo Sun. :roll: Jupiter is also moving toward an exact trine with my Cancer Venus and has passed sextiling my Virgo Mercury-Pluto conjunction.

I know I am being expanded inwardly but have not quite worked out all the logistics for it. I do think that the energy is a bit crazy as I work through it. I know that over the last couple of days I have needed more sleep than usual (that ole Neptune being expanded by Jupiter). Which is now calling me to go to bed. :mrgreen:

I'll write more on Friday when I have had time to sift through the passage a little more. I'll be a "veteran" of the energy by that time. :lol:

[Lapis]

Elianah,

It IS good being back isn't it? http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/6215/grouphug0df.gif I was having 'Astrology Forum' withdrawals!

"Jupiter right now popping a squat just south of my Scorpio Neptune....." http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6782/laughing0bo.gif

That one line alone just made the past week + of not being able to get in here, worth the wait!!! There is NO worse transit than the famed "popping a squat" one I tell ya......I'm so glad your back Elianah! Personally I've got a few transiting planets "popping a squat" in tender areas too so I can relate. :wink: Keep us informed about this one OK?

[Elianah]

Lapis,

Not only that, but Jupiter is on strike for squatter's rights. :sigh:

Such is life. :wink:

[Summery Joy]

Welcome back you guys, :)

Ok.. Jupiter (among many planets right now) is in Scorpio. I have My moon in Natal Taurus Opposite my natal Uranus in Scorpio.. What do you expect for me when Jupiter apporaches a conjunction with Uranus?

[Elianah]

Hi sorehearted,

Okay, I see transiting Jupiter starting to make contact with your natal Neptune at 12° Scorpio 47° on December 28, a five degree orb. The first exact conjunction will be February 6, 2006. Yes, that means Jupiter will go retrograde at 18° Scorpio 52° on March 6. The exact retrograde conjunction will happen on March 31. The final direct conjunction will be September 27. So it might be wise for you to run transit charts for all those days to see what else is taking place.

What does it mean? I am writing this because I want you to understand how I define these astrological ideas. For me, retrograde movement is rethinking, re-evaluating, reconsidering and readjusting the energy between planets so you can access their energy in a way that will help you meet your soul's purpose in this lifetime. A conjunction represents fused energy—in that time period one planet's energy cannot work without the other's planet's energy. The are one energy. The meeting ground is in the 6th house, the area of mentorship, identifying, purifying and perfecting what it is that one is to give to others and making it real—grounding it into this plane, this lifetime, etc. Scorpio is the keeper of the twilight: the higher aspect of the sign knows that everything is both spectrums of duality and goes beyond it. It is the mundane aspect of Scorpio that sees everything in black and white, for instance, because it is emotionally easier to see everything in a dichotomy that lends to having strict definitions of what each and everything is and how everything is to behave through this dichotomy.

Now Jupiter is meeting Neptune, which speaks to me of expanding your spiritual and mystical beliefs in such a way that allows you to reach into your soul's highest knowledge stores. This fusion asks you to reinvestigate, re-evaluate, reconsider and readjust your physical energy so you can take more of the Source of All Being's energy into you in such a way that will allow you to mentor others in their search for their connection to the Source. This may mean moving beyond your emotional and belief system ties to your religion of origin and may bring a separation from your biological family's belief system.

Note that all this energy does not stand alone: it will also affect all relationships in the 4th house because your natal Uranus squares your Leo Venus-Jupiter-Sun stellium, which also means you will be going through your Jupiter square Jupiter at this time. The stellium, just like the conjunction, is fused energy. It the changes the transiting Jupiter-natal Uranus conjunction may bring on your self-worth and self-respect within your family and "tribe" may be sorely shaken up, which may lead to an expansion of your own personal knowledge of who you actually are in your family, learn to work with that role and help transform your family and "tribe."

Which is what the Lunar North Node is speaking to in the 4th. It is distant enough in Virgo that it is not part of the stellium but it is widely conjunct Saturn. One of your functions in your greater family structure may be to challenge and evolve the social norms of the family unit to be more flexible in how they accept others with new, different and perhaps radical beliefs to what they have been brought up with and accept.

Hope this helps. Take what fits and discard the rest. :D

[baker]

In an effort to consolidate topics, all further posts should go to "Jupiter Moves Into Scorpio", as I mistakenly started a new thread here and should not have, I didn't realize it had already been threaded, is that a word? Can we tell Mercury is going retro, I'm already miscommunicating! See every body at the other thread, same topic, same forum dudes and dudettes, just a different station! :lol:

[Summery Joy]

Elianah,

Boy, am I glad you're back on the forum! You have done such an elaborate job answering my question that I'm sooooo sad to break this to you; my natal Neptune in not at 12 degrees of Scorpio, it's at 17 degrees of Sagittarius! The only planet I have in Scoprio is Uranus at 17 also. So, now I'm confused coz in your post you refer to both Neptune and Uranus.

Would it be too demanding of me to ask you to do this interpretation again :oops: ? It's just that, after I'd posted my question, I discovered that this transitting Jupiter not only will conjunct my Scorpio Uranus and Oppose my Taurus Moon at point, but will also square a stellium of planets in Leo. I need to know what to expect because I'm guessing that, if the transitting Jupiter does all this aspects at the same time, it will be a rough time for me. I'm already having problems trying search within my experiences to figure out the purpose of my life (I guess that is the effect of having a stellium transitting in Scoprio for a month or so).

Anyway, sorry to impose this question again, but your answer was so great according to the Scorpio Neptune that I want to know what it would be when you have my correct natal chart.

My birthdata is : 15 August 1979, 00:30 am, Cairo, Egypt (GMT +3).

[another kat gettin around]

Hi my name is Katherine. I was wondering how Jupiter in Scorpio is exemplified in our lives. I was reading some of the other postings and the last time this happened was 1993-1994. I was rather young than so I don't remember much about it. However I have been recently dealing with some issues with food and keeping it in my body. Jupiter in Scorpio, to my understanding is a time of regeneration and getting to the bottom of things. ALthough I have been aware of what I put in my body from a young age, I'm getting frustrated at my situation. If this planet's postition could be explained to me to understand if its this influence or something else that could be of benefit to me.
My sun sign is in Cancer and moon in Scoprio.
Although I recently found that in vedic astrology my sun sign is Gemini and moon in Libra. I'm a bit confused about that too. thanks for anyone's answers.
Much love, Kat

[Amazon1963]

Katherine,

Its difficult to interpret without having the date of birth, exact time of birth, if available, and location. In order to build a chart we need those factors.

Your problem may well be related to Jupiter in Scorpio but without a chart and transits and aspects, your question cant be answered.

So please repost with your birth data and question... :)

Amazon1963

[Elianah]

Sore,

Did I do the reinterpretation? I can't remember. I thought I had, but I don't see the response.

[Summery Joy]

Sore,

Did I do the reinterpretation? I can't remember. I thought I had, but I don't see the response.

I think your first interpretation and my first response were before the bug that hit the forum. Maybe you intended to do it but never had a chance.

[another kat gettin around]

Amazon,
I thought about that after I posted my message. June 27th, 1985 7:15pm in Doylestown, PA (Bucks County). thanks for your time to look at my chart.
I sometimes find myself wanting to interpret other people through astrology. How valid do you think all of this is, or is psycology and other characteristics more important? Is this something that one who is interested in astrology faces? Thanks again. Were you born in 1963? sorry for all the questions. Love kat.

[Amazon1963]

Kat,

I sometimes find myself wanting to interpret other people through astrology. How valid do you think all of this is, or is psycology and other characteristics more important? Is this something that one who is interested in astrology faces? Thanks again. Were you born in 1963? sorry for all the questions.

I think astrology is very valid. The more I learn and experience, the more I believe the developing proof that is available. I'm not an easy 'sale' either. Proof, mathematics, experience, and comprehension is very important to me in 'believing' in something and that also extends out to other areas of life.

Is this something that one who is interested in astrology faces?

Your questioning before 'believing' isnt a bad thing, to the contrary its a very good thing! It shows intellect vs just blindly following the path. You weren't born in a 'herd' so dont follow one! Its our ability to comprehend logic and rational thought along with emotions that sets us above all the other animals.

If you decide to continue to study and learn about astrology, you may find a correllation with people who hold psychology degrees, social work/sociologists, advertisers/marketers...all those fields study the human thinking and response processes. One of the people who interested me in studying astrology and myself is a psychologist and prior co-worker. He uses natal charts if possible and it helps him to understand strengths and weaknesses in many of his clients. Humanistic astrologers use scientific psychological and astrology principles to produce their interpretations.

Superficial interpretations that you may come across (newspaper forecasts, etc) wont offer you the insight into your deeper self that a true astrological and introspective approach can accomplish.

Indeed, to know one's weaknesses is a strength!

The internet offers up a vast supply of information on the subject and its a good starting point for a beginner or for casual study. Here are a few of my personal favorite sites for learning:

Tim Wilson offers great insight with his approach to interpreting the chart (you will find link to his site there as well) and Radu has generously provided many other informative indexes as well.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com

You can build a chart on this site and also get some forecast and insight into your natal interpretation for free, too.

http://www.astro.com/

Bob Marks is very down to earth with his interpretive approach and understanding of the foundation of astrology.

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/index.htm

Cafe Astrology is another very informative and well written site that offers up simple to understand topics.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/

Those are just a few to 'begin' with, Kat, start simple and keep it that way, much easier all the way around!

This forum has many learned people contributing so I would also encourage you to read the threads on different subjects and dont hesitate to ask questions.

Ok to your original question:

been recently dealing with some issues with food and keeping it in my body. Jupiter in Scorpio, to my understanding is a time of regeneration and getting to the bottom of things. ALthough I have been aware of what I put in my body from a young age, I'm getting frustrated at my situation. If this planet's postition could be explained to me to understand if its this influence or something else that could be of benefit to me.

Is this problem a diagnosed physical health condition or is it related to behavioral issues? For example, hiatal hernia or ulcers vs anorexia or bulemia. I 'intuited' more of a behavioral related health issue, like maybe some suppression going on and that suppression manifesting through your 'holding in food' problem you asked about, (perhaps related to your 12th house Uranus in Sag) but am unsure of this without facts to back it up.

Jupiter is transiting your 11th house, the 11th house is about 'friends, hopes, wishes, and also shows how you deal with groups of people. Here is a note on the interpretation of this transit:

JUPITER TRANSITING YOUR 11TH HOUSE (approx. 1 year duration)
You can expand your sense of social belonging. At times you will find open-minded acceptance of your ideas and ideals, particularly along technical, experimental, intellectual, or humanitarian lines. It's a good time for membership in clubs, groups, and organizations. Benefit can come through new friends and colleagues associated with universities, churches, foreign nationalities, and cultural institutions. Be ready to back up your innovative ideas and don't promise more than you can deliver.

Anatomically, Jupiter rules the blood, liver, veins, hips and thighs. With regards to disease or afflictions, Jupiter is about expansion/excess which can be negative or positive.

I am not a professional astrologer, nor am I comfortable with answering your question in relation to medical astrology. Based upon my observation of medical astrology it best serves the individual in 'forewarning' or 'understanding' in how it relates to the natal or transitive aspects but, it does not, nor will it ever replace professional medical advice and/or treatments.

Kat, you have a wonderful mind and spirit! Treat it well! For further questions related to your chart, be sure to post your birth data again under the natal thread. Tim Wilson may have better answers for your question.

Were you born in 1963? sorry for all the questions.

:lol: Yes, I was born in 1963 and yes, my real world nickname is Amazon! I am fiercely independent in all aspects of my life, athletics tend to the individualized sports (scuba, tennis, hiking, etc) I own guns, rode and raised with horses (trading that pastime and considering purchasing a Harley 8) ), can become quite fierce when it comes to defending those who cant defend themselves (the infirmed and downtrodden, especially) or unjust circumstances, friends and coworkers describe me as open minded, full spirited and ready for any challenge, loving, trustworthy and generous almost to a fault, also brave and reckless too. I own a vast array of power tools (and can use them with skill), I am comfortable in jeans and boots or Anne Klein tailored suits and high heels, and yes, I am considered 'tall' but I am not 'bulletproof' and still well under 6 foot... :wink:

My Ascendant/1st house is in the first decanate of Sag (mutable fire) 8 degrees with Sun in Gemini (mutable air) and Pisces (mutable water) moon...Yours is in the second decanate of Sag 19 degrees. Your Cancer (cardinal water) sun and Scorpio (fixed water) moon will have far different influence on your Ascendant than what mine does.

Vedic astrology is not a topic I have ventured into so I cant answer that one. However, I believe there is a Vedic topic area available in this forum.

Obviously, I wasnt able to answer your original question, but I hope I communicated enthusiasm and encouragement for you to learn more about astrology and find your own answers. Keep asking questions until you find the answers!

I hope others in this forum, far more experienced and informed might be able to give you even more insight.

Amazon

[C1]

Momentous
hello,

:lol:

I was g r a z i n g &

g a z i n g at all the information

here on the Forum, and read the

earlier Jupiter-in-Scorpio post (*by Amazon*--mille grazie!)

and when I got to this paragraph in one of the articles
"VOC Moon on Thursday, December 15th, at 12:11 PM EST
with the Moon's last aspect before changing signs
an opposition to Pluto.
VOC period ends when the Moon enters Cancer at 11:01 PM."

I looked up and it was exactly.....(you knew it!) 11:01 pm

8)

I've also caught sight of 11:11 before this....and I recall, also, that
somewhere it has been said by someone that in a sense there is no
real VOC moon in Sagittarius...

to which I reply:

I think I agree!

Today, several people commented on the beautiful
full moon visible in the sky after dawn this morning....
(moon opposite Sun and Sun conjunct Pluto)....


(and as Kyle mentioned, among the Pluto in Scorpio generation,
Jupiter portends a year of high energy....deep transformation).

The moon is conjunct my Uranus, the "exit" point of all the energy
in my chart, and it is oppositive Vesta, the asteroid/planet cj GC....

so everywhere I look, I see amazing things "through the lens of
my chart."

Thanks for this forum. Thanks to Radu and the world Astrologers
and Astrology students. This information is so important and vital
for us as we
begin the next seven year cycle from 12/12/05 to 12/12/12....

Jupiter is opposite Mars who is

moving again in Taurus across territory

already plowed during Mars' direct, retrograde and now re-direct motion,

leaving some explosions and dam breaks in its wake.

Peace is the center of the fixed grand cross within the circle.

C1

[Elianah]

Hi ya sore!

Well, here we go again. :roll: Hopefully this correction will stay posted. :D

And I do apologize for flipping Uranus and Neptune around in your chart. I think Neptune also wanted to have its say and I got caught up in its illusionary trance.

So here is the redo of the Uranus material:

Uranus in Scorpio in the 6th house:

This placement speaks to me as reaching into the personal unconscious and understanding the transformative and healing role of mentorships for people. First you have to understand what having a mentor has meant to you in the past and find the times when you were a mentor to someone else. How did you act in those situations and how did they emotionally resonate with you. How did they take you to the realm of the shaman so you could see how past, present and future were all one? How can mentoring be seen as a healing relationship? What can you heal in yourself and others by being a mentor? How does a mentor differ from a teacher (3rd house) and a sage (9th house)? What pieces of the teacher and the sage do you have to bring into the mentorship relationship? What pieces of the student (3rd) and disciple (9th) do you need to bring into the mentorship? What of the mundane knowledge (3rd) and sacred knowledge (9th) do you bring into the mentorship? How do all these aspects affect the healing process and assist you and the other in the mentor relationship to reach beyond the commonplace and into the realm of consciousness (12th house polarity) in all its glory?

The way you answer these questions and use them to build mentoring relationships will be unconventional and possibly seen as rebellious in some circles. You are daring to be the individual in the group and helping the group to expand in very secretive and very deep ways. You may not recognize the work you have done on the group because it will always be transforming them in incremental ways. This group will not always be appreciative of the assistance you are giving it. It will try to ostracize you in order to keep its homeostasis. Don't let this disuade you from what you need to do, some of them will catch up to you in the future and some of them will be left in the dust. This does not mean that if they are family members that you can't appreciate them for who they are even if they are unwilling to appreciate you for who you are. Remember, the group's homeostasis needs to remain intact and it will defend itself if it thinks some member is getting out of line. In this case you need to learn to be a group of one and do the work in a hidden way that allows the group's homeostasis to stretch in a way that does not threaten it so much that you are run off from the clan.

Uranus opposing Taurus Moon in the 12th and squaring Leo Venus/Jupiter/Sun stellium in the 4th:

Welcome to t-square land! :shock:

The opposition speaks to possibility of being emotionally constipated when working with issues dealing with consciousness in general and specifically to the collective unconscious, where all the mythological and historical memories of the human race lie unprocessed, unrecognized and poised to cause problems if not brought to light, understood and released.

The reason I use the term constipated is that Taurus vision can get very myopic at times, almost to the point of having tunnel vision. This energy can get hyperfocused on itself in this moment. The constipation comes from the undying narrow view and being unable to veer off into other consciousness. There is only one consciousness at one level, my conscious right or wrong. That can be Taurus energy in the 12th at the worst, especially at the emotional level. The Moon needs to emotionally have the narrow Taurean view because it is afraid that it will get overwhelmed by the flow of unbridled, unformed consiousness.

Hmmm...perhaps when the first Israelite creation story was created, it was under the influence of a Taurus Moon in the 12th. The tohu v'vohu was just too frightening without structure (Taurus is an Earth sign, so having some form is as important to it as Capricorn), and thus chaos became evil because it provided too little structure and too many choices for a nascent human population to face...

Enough of the tangent. So Uranus is opposed to the Moon to teach it not to fear any and all forms of consciousness and by teaching it to do so, you can mentor others how not to fear it.

To your 4th house stellium. Your Venus/Jupiter/Sun stellium works as a singular unit. Venus speaks dually about your self-worth/esteem issues and how you see yourself within the most intimate relationships you have and how they impact you. Jupiter speaks of how you expand yourself through gaining higher knowledge and wisdom, and how you explore your personal conscious and how it relates to the collective unconscious and the sum total of all consciousness. The Sun speaks to creative self-actualization and self-empowerment. The 4th house says that the primary stage you perform this work on is the family/clan and the deepest instinctual level of the soul. I am going to suggest that you find the pieces in this paragraph that resonate the most for you and combine them into one long run-on sentence because then you will get the sense of the single energy source that is this stellium.

Since this is the focal point of the t-square, the stellium is trying to balance the seemingly disperate energies of the Moon and Uranus into a form that can be put into the best use for all. You first have to bring it into a balance for yourself and then you will be able to do it for others. It will be something you will constantly be consciously working with through out your life, although there will be times that you will need to work with the energy at the deepest roots of your being in order to self-actualize and self-empower yourself to become the person your soul wants you to be.

Now to your question about transiting Jupiter. Keep in mind the picture of the set of scales, because it will be important.

Jupiter will be in conjunction with your natal Uranus some time late next month and squaring transiting Neptune (yes, it is true, thanks to transiting Neptune you currently have a grand cross in your chart in fixed signs and split between cardinal and mutable houses). The expansive weight of Jupiter is going to encourage you to even more explore your connections to the netherrealm of Scorpio and "dance like a shaman."

This is going to not make the family/clan too happy to say the least because it is going its homeostatic equilibrium and instead of going inside itself it and figuring out what it needs to do to keep growing, it may turn around and label you a rebel and may make you a black sheep. Until the family/clan establishes a new equilibrium, you may feel like an outsider to them. This is going to be several months in duration because Jupiter will turn retrograde in March at 18° Scorpio 52' and will return to direct motion on July 6 at 8° Scorpio, returning to conjunct Uranus again on september 23. It may not be until after October 11 that a new equilibrium will be established that everyone will be comfortable with.

Which is why transiting Neptune in Aquarius is making the grand cross in your chart: it is trying to help steady you in this conscious raising situation by helping you to see you don't need to take on the family/clan intellectual collective consciousness to remain part of your family/clan. You can allow your own development to take place in a public of your choosing and this is backed up with your natal Sagitarian Neptune being in sextile with it. You may be in the process of learning who to trust and when with your personal journey into your own, unique personal consciousness. Finding the right people to be intimate with this growth process is critical and most likely you are not going to find it within the family/clan. Yet this is part of the separation process that transiting Saturn, as it moves ever closer to its return, is having you move toward. Saturn teaches how to separate oneself from the family/clan in order to be a truly healthy functioning member of the family/clan.

I'm going to leave it there for now and let you shoot some questions back to me.

As always, my 2¢ worth. Take what fits and ditch the rest.

[Summery Joy]

As always, my 2¢ worth. Take what fits and ditch the rest.

The whole thing fits like a glove! Thanks, Elianah. It couldn't have been easy re-writing this interpretation. Of course I had to look up a few words along the way (hint: go to google search and write "define <any word of your choice>"), but the whole interpretation makes so much sense.

I've been struggling with some of these issues for a while (I wish I'd always known Astrology. Could have saved a lot of heatache). And for the first time in I don't know how long I am finally on my own on a personal journey to discover myself and hunt for issues from the deepest end of my unconsious and bring them to my consious mind to explore. Judging by my chart, I'm sure you know how painful this process is for me. It's also funny you should mention people who are worth being intimate with. I have a specific situation as we speak with someone whom I'm starting to change my mind about and it's a struggle to face the fact that I might just have to let go of my need for them (Taurus Moon, what can I say?).

Reading what you've written about the transits forming the grand cross in fixed signs is a big AHA moment for me :idea: . I know that I score highest in fixed, but I've always felt mutable. All my life I was a typical Gemini. The course I'm taking these days is surprisingly fixed for me. In the past few days, the one thing I've thought about over and over again is how fixed I'm turning, and how much I like it by the way :D .

I do have one question for you. By the end of this whole trasformation (including the Saturn return), will I finally find where I belong? No, the stellium in the 4th house never helped me feel like I belonged at home despite of how much I LOVE home. The closest I've come is realizing that I belong to Egypt as my homeland. By home as in family, no.

I've always been a tad closer to my friends, which is probably my Aquarius MC activated by the stress of my natal T-cross. But, still, there has always been a limit (I think this limit is partially set by my 12th house moon). The bottomline is, I never felt like I belonged some where, or even with someone.

Now, I realize that there are things I need and should be doing and that I'm good at them too. One example is writing and another is mentoring people who need my mentoring (before reading your post, I used to use to word "counceling". But mentoring sounds so much more Leo-ish ;) ). But still, I belong no were. And I know I will never reach utmost satisfaction if I continue to feel suspended like that.

Will the transformation help me find home?

[Elianah]

Let me broaden your definition of family/clan a bit. A family/clan doesn't necessarily have to be genetically related, although that is commonly how most people define a family/clan. Any group of people that you feel extremely connected to and they feel connected to you can constitute a family/clan. Members of this group are people you feel you can turn to with problems and vice versa, cared for and be nurtured.

You can create family as well as be born into one. Perhaps that is why you also have Leo on the cusp of the 4th—to help you create the type of family you want that supports, respects, values and gives you to resources for you to become the person who you are becoming while you can also comfortably do that for them (Venus) that assists all on their journey of expansion toward higher realms of the soul (Jupiter) so everyone can creatively actualize and empower themselves (Sun). The Virgo portion of your 4th house is indicating that as you emotionally move towards your future within a family unit (LNN), you need to consciously incorporate healthy foundation and framing into the family/clan house you build so that it solid and grounded in the here and now and can stand up to the dust storms, tornados and hurricanes that might cross over it from the public at large (Saturn) and the public in minature (your birth family/clan as represented by the 4th). You will also need to purge, clear, cleanse and release all conditioned beliefs of what family and home are so you are able to see that the family/clan unit is the way a particular group of souls have chosen to perfect their souls together and it is the path towards soul perfection they are walking together, and they don't already have to be perfect for you to assist your task of soul perfection just as you aren't perfect for them (Virgo in the 4th).

Even though Jupiter and Saturn are not conjunct in the 4th, I do think they are there to teach you how to expand the boundaries of family/clan in such a way that is healthy and sustainable for everyone concerned. Jupiter (backed by the Sun) might want to do uncontrolable extremely fast expansion of the boundaries of family/clanship to make you happy now. Saturn comes in and puts a healthy brake on the process say that in order to expand your own concept of family you need to take into consideration the needs of the collective as well as your own needs. In order to creatively balance and transform your needs and desires (Libra Pluto 5th), you can't be myopically constipated into feeling that your consciousness has the definition of family/clan that is right for everyone (Taurus Moon 12th) or else they could rebel against you in a very unhealthy way for you (Scorpio Uranus 6th). You don't want to become a Scorpionic pin cushion for the rest of your life. With your Mars in Cancer in the 2nd, you could assertively be defining your value, worth, respect, esteem and resources within the family/clan dynamic and yet the family/clan may see it as a challenge to its authority at the deepest levels (Cap in the 8th) and turn rigidly dogmatic on you regarding its beliefs of what constitutes appropriate family/clan behavior, especially in the area of higher soul development (Sag in the 8th).

A side thought: home is not a physical place. Home is an internal place where you can resonate deeply who you are no matter who or what surronds you. You can design and build your own home, your own palace (let's let your Leo live a little :D) to your own specifications and carry it with you wherever you go. You are not shackled to outdated blueprints of previous architectural firms (family/clan, religious, ethnic, societal) which make no sense for your soul. As long as your home is for the greatest and highest good of your soul, humanity as a whole and the planet, it doesn't matter if others disagree with you putting a balcony on the third floor kitchen if that best suits the purpose of your soul's mission in this lifetime. Remember that you are the one who holds the keys to this kingdom and no one else and you can lock people out if you so choose.

Let's talk a moment about your thinking/communication processes at the worldly level (Leo Mercury 3rd) and the personal unconscious level (Scorpio Uranus 6th). Remember that Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, so they have a symbiotic relationship with each other. They like to do things quickly, sometimes not completely thinking through what the consequences of their thought processes and subsequent actions might be. I think the idea of 20/20 hindsight came from this less savory trait shared by Mercury and Uranus. They both like spontaneity and thinking through the consequences can rob them of this.

Mercury is seen as a trickster while Uranus is seen as a rebel. My question would be when does the trickster cross over to being a rebel and when is the rebel only the trickster in disguise? Both are there to shake up the status quo and to get it to think outside the box. There is more levity to Mercury's attempts to upset the apple cart, so to speak whereas there is more gravity on Uranus' part. Both can cause toxic poisoning to a system (mercury and uranium) if that is how they are viewed at an individual or corporate level. That is part of their legacy as change agents.

Now both your Mercury and Uranus are in fixed signs in mutable houses. Mercury is in one of the two houses it rules and its higher octave, Uranus, just happens to be in the other house that Mercury rules. So these two houses resonate with each other more easily with one another than they would normally, since they comprise a square house-wise. There is a natural square by sign also. So it takes a lot of work to incorporate and integrate these houses and signs naturally. Having the ruling planet of both houses (Mercury) in the 3rd improves the picture a bit because Mercury carries the traits of both houses it rules. So the 3rd house actually understands more of what the 6th house is trying to accomplish and doesn't fight it as much. Mercury in the 3rd can gather the information that is necessary for dissemination and create the appropriate communication vehicle to deliver the message. Through the 6th house resonance via Mercury in the 3rd, the signs and planets are able to refine and analyze the content of the message to give it that final polish that is useful in a mentoring and/or healing context without the 3rd house energy creating a major blowout about changing the meaning of the message. There still might be a dust-up, but it is more easily reconcilable with Merc in the 3rd.

Uranus in the 6th resonates with the Mercury energy in a way to elevate it. It can help raise the thinking and the method of communication up to the next level so you can empower those you are mentoring in ways that are healthy to them.

Now here's the catch: the fixed signs.

The Merc in Leo wants everyone to love its ideas/teachings and acknowledge their originality and creativity. It wants to be a leader and is recognized as one. If it doesn't get that recognition, it can be dictatorial about how everyone should think its way and that is the only way to think because "I am Leo and I am Queen."

Unfortunately, if the Leo Merc gets pushed into that "I am everything" unbalanced pole, the Scorpio Uranus is going to resonate by saying everything is black-and-white, cut-and-dried and if you don't agree it does not matter because "I know everything and you know nothing."

I mean, think about it for a moment...where did Sagittarius acquire the ability to be rigidly dogmatic if its belief system is being attacked? At the feet of the scorpion who refused to shed its skin to grow.

The key here then is to keep the eyes focused on the goal of how to communicate the ways of self-actualization and self-empowerment to those who are ready to take on that challenge through being mentored. (Of course that means you need to take on that challenge for yourself.) That should hopefully keep the unbalanced aspects of the Leo Merc and Scorpio Uranus in check.

Again, my 2¢ worth. Keep what fits and ditch the rest.

[Summery Joy]

Elianah,

Again, thank you. This post was interesting to read. I had never thought about incorporating the energies of Uranus and Mercury the way you did.

I've let go of the traditional definition of home and family a long time ago. It fact, I don't have a current description of it. I don't think of it as a physical place, a mental place, an emotional place or even a bunch of people. I don't know what home/family is really. All I know is that when I find it, I'll feel like I belong and that's how I'll know. And I still don't feel like I belong to anything/anyone/any ideoloy in particular. I'm trying to belong to God and Church these days, but I shamefully admit that I don't know how that'll turn out.

I have a problem. I focus a lot on other people when I need to focus on myself. And everytime I feel fixed enough to pay attention to my needs first, something happens and I turn all mutable again, trying to make peace where no battle is on. I try to heal other people before I heal myself. Boy, am I looking forward to that fixed grand cross!

Thanks again, Elianah.

[Elianah]

Hi sore (and all others reading this thread):

I don't think it will be as much of the grand cross triggering the action, since that is already in play as we speak, Jupiter just has not started its work with it.

I do think it is going to be more the action of transiting Saturn crossing your DSC and across all the planets and your LNN in your 4th house that will make the difference. I think it has the ability to teach you that in order to be responsible for others you need to be responsible for yourself. And not that you only need to do this, it is also okay to do this. The responsibility/accountability to yourself is going to be a major influence during this Saturn transit because it will help you heal your ideas of family and home.

My 2¢ worth, as usual. :D

[Summery Joy]

And not that you only need to do this, it is also okay to do this.

Right on target! That's my problem. Typical Leo, huh? ;)

[Elianah]

Hi sore,

Actually, I think it is more having a Leo Sun planted in the 4th house that does it. Your approach would be different if your Leo Sun was planted in, say like, the 8th house. It all depends upon the stage that the Leo Sun (or any planet, for that matter) on whicn it has to perform its play. And considering that you have a very busy 4th house anyway, it doesn't surprise me in the least.

See, your Leo Sun knows that it's alright for you to take care of yourself. Your Leo Venus insists that by taking care of yourself, you will value yourself more. Leo Jupiter wants to expand those concepts as much as possible and Virgo Saturn says that the responsibility is on your shoulders to work towards perfecting the way to healthily take care of yourself.

The stage this is all playing out on, however, is saying that you must take care of others first and you second — the mothering, martyrly crab syndrome. What you may need to do is learn to face the Moonsquare energy of the collective unconscious and say "I cannot take care of anyone if I do not take care of myself.

And to bring this back around to the original topic of the thread, transiting Scorpio Jupiter conjuncting your natal Uranus, squaring the Leo portion of your 4th house and opposing the Taurus Moon, will give you the ability to do just that.
:D :D