Who Shot Kennedy?

[SolarSiren]

There have been a couple shows on lately about the assassination.
It got me wondering & reading theories, if there was perhaps a more sinister
conspiracy at work that day.
Can we see by this horary if it was multiple shooters? If he had met them before? Where they escaped to after?

My take - He's Jupiter Rx in 4th. Strongly placed in homesign, showing his
popularity with the people.
The Sun, ruler of the turned 6th(Coworkers, Employees), sep. from an opposition to Jup.
Sun in Gemini + common signs on cusps = Multiple shooters.
Gemini, books depository?
Moon sep. from Saturn in turned 6th. Saturn in detriment, authoritarian, bossy person.
Moon is VOC - Either the current suspect is correct, or this indicates the other, (if there are any), true killer(s) will never be found.
Seeing as I didn't ask "Will they be caught?", can we assume Oswald is it?

Antiscia Sabians for turned 6th -A Finger Pointing To A Line In An Open Book
Turned 8th - A Religious Organization Succeeds In Overcoming The Corrupting Influence Of Perverted Practices and Materialized Ideals
Turned 4th - The Meeting Of A Literary Society


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[archergirl]

Hi SolarSiren,

Notwithstanding the fact that a horary chart for 'I was just wondering'-type questions is likely to not give you much joy (as with the 'Find Madeleine' thread, you would be MUCH better served by using an event chart for the assassination), I am wondering why you give Kennedy to the 7th? He would either be the 1st, or if you want to get technical, the 10th as a president and 'ruler'.

The issue here is that a horary chart is best used for questions in which you have some personal stake. I think the whole view that horary can answer any old question under the sun, is highly flawed and open therefore to much misuse. For something as well-documented (and as long ago) as the Kennedy assassination, an event chart is by far and away the better choice, as it takes out any of the querent's personal prejudices and preconceptions about what the answer should be: 'Just the facts, ma'am'. The risk with horaries of such a nature is that you (or any querent) already have your own ideas about what did or did not happen, and are likely to look to confirm those answers in the chart, instead of just looking at the 'evidence' in the chart.

But it's still the 10th for presidents, or the 1st for the primary subject of the question; the 7th (or 7th from the 10th) would be his open enemies, and the 12th the more likely 'secret' enemies. If you want to have a crack at the time/place/date of the assassination, I would be most interested in discussion.

Best wishes,
AG:)

[Draco]

I have nothing to add to what Archer has said, as I agree entirely, a horary upon this matter is redundant, because everything that you could possibly wish to know about this event, is embodied in the event chart, provided you can interpret it.

I disagree that he can be found in the first, in either horary or event, as this can only ever be the initiator of the action, which in a horary is the querent, and in the assassination event, it is the assassin. Nor is the first the primary subject of the question, as this is the quesited, and can be found in any house according to what is enquired of.

Kennedy was shot at 12:30 (CST 6), 22nd November, 1963, in Dallas, Texas (96-W-48 / 32-N-47).

Here is that chart:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8661/kennedyassassinationrc9.png (http://imageshack.us)

[archergirl]

I disagree that he can be found in the first, in either horary or event, as this can only ever be the initiator of the action, which in a horary is the querent, and in an the assassination event, it is the assassin. Nor is the first the primary subject of the question, as this is the quesited, and can be found in any house according to what is enquired of.


I see your point, Draco. I was thinking in reverse terms; more of a 'subjective' perspective, e.g. Kennedy was the 'subject' (who was shot?) and takes the 1st (physical body), whereas the assassin (who shot him?) was inflicting assassination on him, and took either the 7th or the 12th, instead of the assassin (subject) being the perpetrator of the action (1st) with the 'object', Kennedy, taking the 7th (or 10th, I guess).

But this was just me misreading the question, which was 'Who shot Kennedy?', instead of 'By whom was Kennedy shot?'. Ah, semantics and syntax.

Best,
AG:)

[Sag Moon]

I agree with Draco on not being able to ascertain who did the shooting ,weather the person is guilty or anything using the 2 methods.

I have also reseached other shootings like RFK's and MLK's. I believe now that Ray did not shoot MLK as one person that came to our school when I was young I was told had been put in solitary confinement right next to him and was told the story.

Draco I have done research into the shooting and the time you used is not correct. The correct time is 12:30pm that he was shot.He expired then actualy also. But the chart is right for some reason.

If you ever reviewed the films of the shooting there is a clock shown and the time on one of the buildings.

[Draco]

I agree with Draco on not being able to ascertain who did the shooting ,weather the person is guilty or anything using the 2 methods.


I never said that you cannot ascertain who did the shooting using the two charts.

I said that the assassin as the initiator of the action is the ascendant of the event, and given the choices, you can determine who was who.

The question is, was Lee Harvey Oswald represented in that Saturn on the ascendant, or was someone else?

I really don't know enough about this aspect of American history to comment, until I've done some research, but I believe it's quite possible to accuse or vindicate Oswald, all from what is going on in the chart.

Draco I have done research into the shooting and the time you used is not correct. The correct time is 12:30pm that he was shot.He expired then actualy also. But the chart is right for some reason.

True. I somehow entered 13.30 instead of 12.30, but the chart is correct as you say.

[Sag Moon]

Draco
I askd this particular question about finding the real shooter for asasinations at another BB and astrologers there explained to me it really cannot be done with certainty.

If you think it can then that's fine. I have a number of charts for Oswald and others connected with it.

I think Oswald did it,but there are a number of things behind he scene which make it a mystery as to weaher he acted alone. I use to think Ruby was put up to killing him ,but I think now that it was a myth as he had his dog in the car when he went to shoot him and it was just coincidence that he was there and got the chance to kill him .

I do think that the New Orleans Mob had a hand in recruiting Oswald to kill him given the chance. Oswald had connections to them.

One dancer that worked for Ruby says that she was introduced to Oswald at the nite club,but weather that is true who knows.

They cannot be certain either that there was only one shooter from what has been presented recently as last month.

So it probably will be a question for the ages!

The greatest mystery I think is what happened to Hoffa?

[Draco]

Hi Sag.

Like I say, I need to do some research on this in order to understand what you're referring to, but I will do because this is interesting stuff.

[Leonine9]

Hi Forum,

A teacher told the Warren Commission that she saw the limo driver fire his gun toward the rear of the car. Commission members apparently convinced her that the driver, William Greer, shot back at the assassin. Another witness testified that shots came from inside the car. The notion that Greer fired at Oswald is silly, given that he was driving and couldn't have determined so quickly where the "assassin" was.

The film shows he was shot from the front. His head jerked back and one can even see gun powder on the film. The shield on the limo indicates he had to have been shot from inside the car. Ballistic evidence suggests he couldn't have been shot from the grassy knoll.

Leonine9

[Culpeper]

Astrology can answer questions about that assassination. If you are an American, that is enough stake in the matter. However, JFK's birth chart and assassination chart should be consulted first. Oswald's chart can also be used. When I look at those charts, I see three assassins, but I cannot determine if Oswald was one or just another victim.

This is where a very specific horary question would be very helpful. Your question is too general unless someone can draw names from a chart. I will have to leave that to a better astrologer.

Lee Harvey Oswald, 18 Oct. 1939, 21:55, New Orleans, La (from AstoDatabank)

[Sag Moon]

In most all the assasinations charts I have read the factor of Neptune plays a very big part which provides the mystery factor to it.

RFK,JFK and MLK's assasinations all have Neptune prominent if I remember correctly.

JFK's chart is filled with reference to his his death I think.He has that 8th house emphasis and it's squared.

He had a libido also that had no end.

[archergirl]

There was a very VERY interesting discussion on Oswald over at the Skyscript forum, found here:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2292

and here:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2309

I used to be an advocate of the Grassy Knoll hypothesis; but reading Oswald's chart per the Skyscript discussion, I don't wonder whether it was, in the end, a solo endeavour.
A really good read.

AG:)

[Sag Moon]

While I agree with most of what is said at the site concerning the Oswald chart I know that Oswald was smarter than what is being said there.

He was in the same MAG (Marine Air Group) as myself and served overseas in the P-3 recon squadron. He had to have some brains to get that far as they would have weeded him out by that point.

I share a few things from his chart like having a planet at 1Degree Aries .He Ju and I Ma.We also have Cancer Asc and Pisces MC.

He was driven as his brother said to get fame whatever way he could. I never had that thought. He was driven to find a way to get fame and was also against the goverment. While I hate politics,but would never think of hateing others for their political beliefs.I just hate the system in some ways after seeing the politics behind the politics.

There is more ,but I cannot think of it at the moment.