If quesited is rep by moon, what represents quesitor?

[Neptune Rising]

Hi!!

Could anyone please give me a little advice about this?

I asked a relationship question, the quesited's significator is represented by Moon (Cancer 7th cusp). My signifactor is Saturn (Capricorn on Asc), so I'm wondering, if the Moon is already taken by the quesisted, then would Venus as well as Saturn represent me as I am female (Venus)? And the Moon and the Sun represent him?

Many thanks indeed!

Neptune

[astro.teacher]

Why not just take Saturn to represent you? Also why have him be represented by the Sun?

[Draco]

Hi Neptune.

If you ask a question and the Moon is the significator of the quesited, then the quesited has first priority on it's services, and you have no general significator in this case, only the ruler of the ascendant shows you.

You wouldn't consider another planet to be general significator in it's place.

If you are asking a relationship question, you as 'animal woman' is Venus, he as 'animal man' is the Sun, the ruler of the ascendant and descendant are the significators of your more rational selves respectively.

However, when you find that it is the Sun or Venus that are rulers of the ascendant or descendant, then that planet has priority as the ruler of the angle over being natural significator as man or woman.

For example, if Venus rules the descendant, then in this case it does not represent primal woman, it represents the partner, and there simply is no natural significator for woman in this case.

In short, general sigificators are only used when they are not already signficator's of the quesited by house rulership, which is most of the time.

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks for reply Astro.teacher

I thought the aspects the moon makes tell the 'story' of the chart, but if the Moon is represented by him, does it still tell the story.

Also I thought, in a relationship question, I would be represented by whatever planet rules the Ascendant and also the moon. And he by whatever planets rules the descendant, and the Sun. But since he has the moon, I took Venus to represent me. Does that make any sense?

Neptune :confused:

[Neptune Rising]

Thanks Draco!

Thanks for reply! That makes sense. Ok, maybe I was making the chart too complicated! I'll investigate my chart further...:D using the primary signifcators primarily. :)

Neptune

[Moondance]

I agree with Draco's assignment of significators and male/female secondary significators, but in a romantic horary only. If not romantic, there's no need to examine femaleness/maleness issues. And, at the risk of instigating another "Gay Wars" Battle of Significators, I think they can be used in any type of relationship, for the energies they represent.:cheers:

[Neptune Rising]

Many thanks moondance! :)

Neptune

[astro.teacher]

And he by whatever planets rules the descendant, and the Sun.

Ive never heard of that before. Can you tell me your source on that information? Im genuinely interested.

But since he has the moon, I took Venus to represent me. Does that make any sense?

If this is a romantic question, you will want to take Venus for yourself and Mars for him (in general female-male polarity). However I think this is being made a little more complicated than it actually is. Remember the Moon is used because it is the closest body to us and thus has the most influence over our affairs and it also filters the rays of the other Planets to the earth. This is important to take into consideration. The Moon can usually dictate the success of the event (if its void, combust, via combusta.. & etc. are signs of ill success for example), therefore its not too difficult to come to a conclusion when his ruling Planet is the Moon. I hope that makes sense.

[Neptune Rising]

Hi!

I think my description was somewhat vague, just like my chart at the moment.

I took this from my book 'Horary Rediscovered' by Olivia Barclay. I think I have jumbled up what she said! Sorry about that. She says in relationship questions, "the Asc and its ruler, and moon represent the querent, man or woman...In addition, the Sun and Mars are natural significators of men, the Moon and Venus are natural rulers of women."

I think I'll stick to the two main significators to keep it simple :) , otherwise all the planets will be significators! That'll be way over my head!

Many thanks indeed

Neptune

[Draco]

Ive never heard of that before. Can you tell me your source on that information? Im genuinely interested.

Honestly? You've never heard that?

Initially it's something I learned from Deb Houldings articles on Skyscript and members of the forum, John Frawley also details this technique in his books, William Liily also details the technique, as well as mentioning that Al Biruni is where he got it from, so it seems to be Arabic in origin. I'm sure that Henry Coley talks about this as well, it seems to be all over the place really. It's general knowledge to me, but in fairness, my main interest is in horary astrology, and if that's your thing, you run into this information pretty much right at the start.

I'd like to know more about the proper origins of this myself, so I'll ask on Skyscript, a fount of knowledge, and forward the information here.

It's something that I consider to be valid, and I've seen it work.

When you tell people about this, they often wonder why Venus and the Sun, and not the Sun and the Moon, or Venus and Mars, which seem like a more natural set of opposites.

I think that is due to political correctness and a modern misunderstanding about the nature of things.