Will he get the job?

[Andonis]

Will he become convenor?
I asked the question for this colleague at work who is very ambitious and greedy in my opinion. The post if he gets it it is a co-ordination post to start with with longer term prospects (within 2-3 years I think) to become permanent and my boss effectively.

Thanks for your inputs.
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[Andonis]

Here is my first shot at it, and let me know your thoughts: My colleague is represented by the 11th house, leo, with saturn in it, in detriment.
His ruler the sun is in his 10th house Taurus and this is a 10th house question which means his mind is in it. Note that venus is the significator of his 10th house (taurus) and as it is, it is not in great aspect with the sun. However with the mutual reception between venus and mercury venus is coming to 26 degrees in taurus his house, not in aspect, but very strong. Interestingly this mutual reception is what I think is coming which is a move from his uni to this one, to facilitate his position. I wonder if this means he will get the job? Note ALGOL would be very near venus after mutual reception. His cosig the Moon in the 5th is weak in Sagittarius in opposition to venus still so after his mutual reception but not applying.
Ιf we look at his second house significator mercury (financial matters) he is now in difficulty near the sun being combust! After the mutual reception his problem is solved.

Will it end well? His 4th house significator Mars in his 8th house with Uranus in pisces in triplicity but square with moon and sextile with venus after mutual reception.
The problem I have is that the moon will trine with venus after going over Pluto, and also changing sign.

To me it looks a pretty good possibility he may get the job no? Any comments? Any idea of the time for him to get the job?

Well the moon at 20 Sag. will move to Capri 25 to become trine with Venus (after mutual rec) after 30 degrees or 30 months. So I guess after 30 months, or 2 years and 6months. ....

[tikana]

Hi

i would nto put him in 11th house

i would put him in 7th house because ruler of the hour is mars...

7th house mars makes no aspect to saturn *ruler of 10th*

Moon will oppose venus ** i use only traditional rulers*

Mars is cadent house *standing still *

I dont think he will get the job

nothing points to YES

antiscias are absent
translation of light is absent

Tik

[Andonis]

Hi Tik, thanks for the reply. I did not get why you chose 7th house. What do you mean the ruler of hour is Mars? Thanks...

[tikana]

hi

SORRY I didnt clarify

the hour when you asked a question was ruled by Mars.
I do not see him as 11th house. ...the chart didnt support 11h house by radicality. I posted somewhere how to determine if chart is valid or not. usually it would point to if you are serious about a question or if there is a confusion between the rulers. 11th house is more of a friend house vs a collegue. that is why i picked 7th house

Cheers
Tik

[Andonis]

Hi Tik, thanks again.......you mean 11th house is not appropriate as Saturn is in his 1st house so non-radical. Sorry slow on Sunday mornings. OK If this is what you mean then why not use 5th house question which is for 'election'? I also think 7th is not bad but my texts point to 11th or 5th house, but never used the hour ruler before.


Another question, if mars makes no aspect with saturn, his cosig Moon does a trine and takes energy from saturn to Mars. Does this in your method work in favour? (Moon is applying square to mars.not sure if this is important)

[Andonis]

ok here is another shot at it if I signify mr. P. with the significator of the 7th house, (which is not a bad idea) Mars.
So He is Mars and as this is a 10th house question Saturn is his 10th house significator, in no aspect. This is true of the current situation, where saturn in leo not good position in his current job. Mars also nothing special where he is.
However, the Moon the cosig. is in trine (receeding) from saturn but applying to mars. This is collection of light. In 2 degrees the moon will be perfect square with mars. So I guess this is positive and the answer is yes.

The mutual reception between venus and mercury is also another indication that a short trip is iminent and money on the way because of post swaping which is being cooked by him. Any thoughts?

IF this is a 5th house question, an election, which it will have to be eventually, then significator of quesited is now the Sun. Moon and sun are in no aspect. That looks bad as even the cosig Moon has a bad aspect with the sun.

[Radu]

I support the assignement of the 7th house for your colleague - as this is the habit in all cases whenever a better astrological assignement isn't available.

I wonder if the real question wasn't "Will he become my boss?". If this is it, the Moon (your 10th house = your boss) applies to Mars, his significator.

Or you could try to use house almutens, for instance 7th house almuten is the Sun, which applies to Saturn, turned 10th house almuten and ruler (or Mercury translates the light).

In any case, since Mars is so well dignified - he's got the power to get that job. All he misses right now is the opportunity, but there are some applying aspects from Mercury who could act as translator of light.

The answer is therefore more like Yes to me. It could be clearer if we had more information on the matter. For instance, why is the Moon in the 3rd house? The Moon indicates where the real focus of the querent is. I don't know. This is why I keep saying that questions are not what they seem to be, there is more to them, as they refer to really complex situations.

[Andonis]

I support the assignement of the 7th house for your colleague - as this is the habit in all cases whenever a better astrological assignement isn't available.

I wonder if the real question wasn't "Will he become my boss?". If this is it, the Moon (your 10th house = your boss) applies to Mars, his significator.


Hi Radu, Yes it if he gets this job he will be my boss. So indirectly this is an implied question. It seems my current boss, my 10th house ruler moon supports him as he applies to Mars, giving him the power to get there.

Or you could try to use house almutens, for instance 7th house almuten is the Sun, which applies to Saturn, turned 10th house almuten and ruler (or Mercury translates the light).

In any case, since Mars is so well dignified - he's got the power to get that job. All he misses right now is the opportunity, but there are some applying aspects from Mercury who could act as translator of light.

The answer is therefore more like Yes to me. It could be clearer if we had more information on the matter. For instance, why is the Moon in the 3rd house? The Moon indicates where the real focus of the querent is. I don't know. This is why I keep saying that questions are not what they seem to be, there is more to them, as they refer to really complex situations.


Well it seems my boss is in my 3rd house. I have no idea what this means. My 3rd house is my comms house. Perhaps he is spying on me....?

[Annafrid]

Tik, doesn't the lord of the 7th go to Mars first at 22o Pisces?

[tikana]

I support the assignement of the 7th house for your colleague - as this is the habit in all cases whenever a better astrological assignement isn't available.

I wonder if the real question wasn't "Will he become my boss?". If this is it, the Moon (your 10th house = your boss) applies to Mars, his significator.

Or you could try to use house almutens, for instance 7th house almuten is the Sun, which applies to Saturn, turned 10th house almuten and ruler (or Mercury translates the light).

In any case, since Mars is so well dignified - he's got the power to get that job. All he misses right now is the opportunity, but there are some applying aspects from Mercury who could act as translator of light.

The answer is therefore more like Yes to me. It could be clearer if we had more information on the matter. For instance, why is the Moon in the 3rd house? The Moon indicates where the real focus of the querent is. I don't know. This is why I keep saying that questions are not what they seem to be, there is more to them, as they refer to really complex situations.

Good catch, Radu!

i mixed the 10th house .. RATS!

Cheers
Tik

[Andonis]

well I said yes with 11th house, or 7th house, radu and tik now say yes also, so it must be true! Or we could be all wrong. Not a convenient judgement for me but we will see....Any thoughts on the time?

[Annafrid]

Hmmm. Problem I have is that Mars has little interest in Saturn as it exalts Venus and is in the house of Jupiter. The moon is also in the house of Jupiter which has just separated from Saturn by trine. As Saturn (which not only rules the job but also the jobs money) is in terrible condition anyway, I wonder if his interest is in the job or something or someone else connected to it. As Jupiter rules the third, I wondered if he saw it as a networking opportunity.

[starlink]

Hi Andonis! I looked at the chart and contrary to Radu and Tik, will stick to the 11th house as the significator of your collegue because in Rex Bill's book of rulerships collegues fall under this house and the 7th I see more as "another person", more one you dont really know. Andonis knows this man. Radu, I dont really see a lack of astrological assignment here.I do like the idea of Tik though with the ruler of the hour being Mars.(even so, she got to the same final outcome as I do! I have seen this many times before, the chart always shows the same outcome even though you sometimes take different indicatores! It is fascinating). Nevertheless I will stick to the 11th (stuborn Taurus?). And then I do not see too many good things. Saturn in the 11th: obstruction, opposition with Neptune: desillusion and looking at Andonisses 10th house ruler Moon, I see her moving away from Saturn, co-ruler of the Collegue, to me an indication that within Andonisis career, I dont see the collegue playing a part there. The Collegues ruler Sun is also about to make a square with Saturn, another negative.Mercury, ruler of the 9th, Universities, also is about to make a square with Saturn. Ruler of the Sun, Venus in the 9th, going to oppose Pluto in Sagittarius in 3. (Venus is also ruler of Andonis, so the opposition in his case could show his dislike of being under the power of this collegue)
End of the matter house for Andonis is ruled by Saturn with all it's squares and opposition. So I dont see that collegue becoming his boss.
When you also want to look at the end of the matter house for the collegue, then Pluto and Mars are the rulers. Pluto retro and going to oppose Venus can show that the salary could be not to his liking and therefore he could change his mind in wanting to take this job. Mars, in his 8th house is making an ingoing square with Venus as well, so both rulers in adverse aspect with Venus, one of the two beneficiaries according to Lilly. Mars will also square Pluto. I think that he will not get this job. I am very curious to know what happens in the end. Please let us know Andonis! Cheers, Star.

[starlink]

And, I forgot, Jupiter in the end of the Matter house of the collegue is retrograding towards the trine to Saturn, his co-significator. This is the only good thing I can see here but I still have to look in the Ephemeries to see if he reaches the perfection before going direct again and when he does, then there is frustration and the thing will not come into perfection. Nevertheless, the Sun is making an inconjunct to Jupiter as well as Mercury and according to Anthony Louis, the situation could be "out of joint" and require re-adjusting of some kind.

[starlink]

Andonis, that square from the Moon to Mars does not give that collegue "power to get there". A square usually signifies problems, obstruction, it is not a good indication, but who knows, maybe he has to overcome quite a few problems before "getting there"!

[tikana]

Starlink

brilliant interpreations! wonderful job.. bravo

Tik

[starlink]

Thanks for the compliment Tik, but let's wait first for the outcome of this question. I might still be totally wrong and not seen something essential that Radu for example has seen. Cheers!

[Andonis]

Hi starlink and Tik. Thanks for your brilliant comments. Time will tell. Unfortunately the wait is longer as it wont be contested if it comes to it this year but next year. So....whatever the outcome I will let you know, as I have vested interest in this question. Thanks again. Regards....