how is your Ascendant and how were you born?

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[archergirl]

Hello Jagetoile,

Interesting question.

I don't know whether the Ascendant has any correlation to birth, especially difficult births with the aspects you name, at least from my experience.

My first child has a Scorpio Ascendant, but the only difficult aspect to his ascendant is a wide square from Uranus in his 3rd house. I was in labour for 19 hours with him; he was stuck, wouldn't descend, and was finally born with the help of forceps. I had no drugs for the first 18 1/2 hours, and had a spinal block right before they used the forceps. Sheer hell. I am still traumatised to think about it.

My second child, on the other hand, has some *very* challenging aspects, having a Pluto-Saturn opposition along the vertical (4th/10th) axis, both squaring her Pisces ascendant. Her birth, however, was *exceptionally* easy, as I chose to have whatever drug cocktails they could offer me during labour:- I didn't want to have another nightmare birth! As it is, ironically, I could have had her without *any* drugs, as she was a classic 'textbook perfect' birth.

But just because my two examples don't verify your research, doesn't mean it isn't valid. Keep looking!

Best,
AG:)

[tikana]

Archergirl and Jag

yeah i can see your points.. it is quite valid. I would specifically look for aspects that are connected with the babies'ascens

it would be interesting to see your natal chart and exact chart of the baby. Asce to 5th house, 8th house cusp, moon, sun and rulers of your asce, 5th, 8th houses and any planets in 1st or 5th or 8th.

I totally dig your point.

Tik

[Arian Maverick]

I've actually tried to assess the conditions surrounding my birth to help me determine my Ascendant sign, yet I believe it had both Arian and Piscean qualities; my mother had been in active labor for several hours when her contractions unexpectedly slowed and stopped, and she was accidentally given an overdose of pitocin to help encourage nature. I have been told that I broke the fetal monitor with my birth, but I mostly attribute this to my Aries stellium! :D

I don't have too many aspects to my Ascendant, and the ones that are usually have tighter aspects to another planet. Moon conjunct Ascendant is probably the most influential, but I also have Jupiter sextile Ascendant, Uranus square Ascendant, Chiron Square Ascendant, and a minor aspect from Pluto.

My older brother was born about two weeks early, which was fortunate for my mother because his shoulders became stuck during his birth and any extra weight would have made the process even more difficult. I believe forceps had to be used, and my brother was born with a slight cone head.

Shawn has a heavily aspected Ascendant, but Jupiter's conjunction is the only obvious indicator of his birth situation that I have found. He also has Sun sextile Ascendant, Moon sextile Ascendant, Venus square Ascendant (loose orb), Mars sextile Ascendant, Saturn square Ascendant, Neptune sextile Ascendant, Pluto trine Ascendant, and Chiron square Ascendant.

Arian Maverick

[tikana]

Arian

what you mean by your brother was born 2 weeks earlier?
is he your twin?

Tik

[Arian Maverick]

I'm sorry I wasn't clearer--he was born two weeks before his May 1987 due date, while I was born exactly on my April 1989 due date ;)

Arian Maverick

[tikana]

oooo oooo

Arian

can you PM me your mom's DOB / time of birth /city

and you and your brother's please?

I wanna look at something.

pretty please, begging puppy eyes

Tik

[unukalhai]

I have the second degree of Capricorn rising, with Mars trine from Virgo. Venus is conjunct from the 12th house, a few degrees above the ascendant.

I'm lucky to be alive. During birth, according to my mother, the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck and I couldn't be delivered as usual. Luckily (Venus on the ASC) this all took place in an excellent maternity hospital so quick action (Mars trine) was taken and I was born via c-section.

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[flea]

Tricky birth here also. Mum's waters broke on the monday, went to small hospital , nurses did not believe her. OK so there is a gemini lunar eclipse on the Wednesday and I am eventually born by emergency caesarean on the Friday evening. My mother was told not to push until the nurses told her too, so she sepnd the week concentrating on pain being a feeling or a sensation. I had such a cone head, it is still strange shaped so head bands slide off. Extremely noticeablein the photos. My father was waiting outside and he saw me being carried off quickly to have some work done as my breathing was very poor, they didn't stop so he could see me. I didn't see mum for another 4 days or something.

So I have a gem ascendant, and jupiter conjunct ascendent, which is the pointy end of a golden yod (biquintile triangle) with Neptune and Venus. Pluto/Uranus conjunction is widish orb to square ascendent. Sun opposite ascendent, and Chiron square Ascendent, so that is forming a grand cross, but jupiter is very wide arc to Sun/pluto/uranus/chiron anout 9 degrees but about 4 off the ascendent.

Love & Light
Flea

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[flea]

Yes I am a girl, well was, 10 dec 1965 at 4.22pm. Gemini 7 was up in the air orbiting the earth during the whole time. My lifepath number (date of birth) is 7. It all seems to be a bit spooky. I had trouble coming through into this life, a lot of trouble and my mum and I had to work hard together I think. Both of us were in bad shape afterwards. The moon crossed over my ascendent and landed in cancer during the week. It seems pertinent.

[Draco]

The idea that our circumstances of birth are reflected in the horoscope is an interesting one, although I think that looking to our ascendants might not be the most descriptive place to look.

The moment at which we are born is encapsulated in the entire horoscope, and while our circumstances of birth might be gleaned from the nativity, these circumstances would probably show up in the mother's chart with greater prevalence, so we ought to compare our own horoscopes with our mother's, where we are lucky enough to know her birth-time.

The tenth house is the mother, so what would looking here reveal as to the circumstances of birth?

In my own chart, the ascendant comes from a sextile of Uranus, and onto a square of Jupiter in Scorpio. My birth by emergency caesarian might be reflected in the aspect of Uranus to the ascendant, but to expect every emegency caesarian birth to have such an aspect would be quite a tall order, and I'm reluctant to knock my ascendant back a few degree's to make it fit the bill, especially in that I take the 'transpersonals' with a pinch of salt anyway, and I question the extent of their influence in natal astrology.

Jupiter in Scorpio, which is about to square the ascendant, actually rules the tenth cusp, and so is a significator of the mother, and perhaps this upcoming square reflects tension between my mother and I, given the circumstances of my birth?

Looking to the tenth cusp, I have Venus in Virgo, closely about to square midheaven. Venus being a natural significator of the mother, particularly in a diurnal chart such as my own, and the aspect being a tense one between Venus and the 'mother' cusp, might have some relevance.

Virgo is a 'non-fruitive' sign, and my caesarian was necessary because it seemed I was very reluctant to come out into the world.

Having said all this, I'm probably reading far too much into it.

I'm not sure you can tell the circumstances of a person's birth from exploring the ascendant or nativity as a whole, but if you can I would like to know how. I think it is more probable to find relevant symbolism of unnatural or complicated births when looking at the mother's chart also.

[flea]

Interesting thought Draco about 10th house. Mine 10th ruler is uranus which is square ascendent, and my mum is aquarius sun. There have been many many issues I have dealt with regarding my relationship with my mum. I have looked to past lives to gain understanding, and the work I have done has effected greatly our relationship. Also I wanted to note that I mym mum, and my grandmother all have water trines. Interesting I thought. There is definitely a pattern. I have felt that I had some purpose in finsihing what cycles had been started, and I would like to think this is being accomplished.

Love & Light
Flea

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[tuesdaysraven]

I am an Aries with a Capricorn ascendant. I was due to be a Taurus apparently but decided to come earlier. I was my mum's first child (She is an Aries with Aries ascendant) and she had wanted to give birth to me at home but wasn't allowed. In the end she said she was pretty much left alone and scared most of the time with unfriendly staff almost yelling at her to get on and push me out so they could get other stuff done (I was born at 3:10am) They also didn't give her much in the way of pain relief. She hated it so much she waited until she'd moved town five years later to get pregnant again. When I was much younger I had a really strong fear of giving birth.

I have Sun, Venus & Uranus square the Asc, Mercury sextile Asc, Saturn Quincunx Asc and Moon conjunct the Desc.

My sister has Leo rising and had to be pulled out with forceps but my mum said that she had a 100% better experience with that than the first time. She has Venus quincunx Asc and Jupiter conjunct it.

[Lissa]

Another Capricorn rising here!We Capricorn rising people love to make our mom's go through a rough labor:rolleyes:.My labor wasn't exacly difficult,but the circumnstances under which I was born were definetly not the best.

To start,I was an unwanted child(broken condomn).I believe my dad was the only who wanted me;when the time came for my mom to tell her parents she was pregnant,she locked herself in the bathroom and cried while my dad told my grandparents about the pregnancy.My mom was still studying when I was born,although she was at the university at that time.After I was born,she had to start studying at night and,then,she was unemployed for a long time,causing her to be severly depressed for most of my childhood.Not only,she also found out she had Lupus at the time when I was born.When I was a child,my mom spent most of the time sleeping.

As for the labor itself,I was supposed to be born one week later,on March24,exacly one day fater my dad's birthday,with an exalted Sun and Moon/Venus in their dignitiy signs.Even though I decided to come a little earlier,I seem to have changed my mind half way during the process because I made my mom go through a12hour labor.I think I wanted a first house Saturn really bad:p.

[wintersprite1]

Both of my children were Csections.

The first, my daughter, has an Aries rising with a square to the MC and IC. The only planet involved with the Ascendant is Venus in opposition with a 1 degree orb. Neptune and Uranus are Retro and conjunct in Capricorn, Squaring her Libra Moon. Pluto and the NN are in the 8th. I was in labor for about 20 hours and had an epidural that was administered wrong... I felt nothing but my blood pressure kept dropping and I would alternate between passing out and throwing up. Weird, she didn't cry until a few moments had passed, even after cleaning her out.

My son was the nightmare birth. I went into the hospital in labor at 6 am on a Tuesday. It was Thursday night when the water finally broke and they rushed me into surgery. I was given every cocktail imaginable, but could still feel sensations and some pain. He was already 2 weeks late and was climbing up into my ribcage area with every contraction. The surgery was done by a student (with the Dr present) and in a room full of student observers ( I suspect this one will be on stage too)... He came out perfectly healthy. His Ascendant is Sag with generous orb of Pluto retro and Ceres retro conjunct from the 12th. His Sun is in opposition with the Ascendant. There is a wide orb Square to Saturn on the IC. Just like his sister above, he has Uranus and Neptune retro Square his Moon in Scorpio (2 degrees.... I think he was just holding out for that Moon) The time also brought Mercury and Mars into conjunct within a degree..( I have the same aspect and degree)

Hope this can help some. When I find some time, I will post my sister's and my chart info... we also were problem csections.

TK

[CalicoDreams]

I was born with a heart defect, and was what they call a 'blue' baby. Wasn't breathing. I had to be taken from my mother ASAP and rushed to the nearest hospital where they could do surgery. I'm a Sag with a Sag ascendant. My Mercury and my Venus are also conjunct ascendant.

[tikana]

hi Tik, you mentioned the 8th, i find this interesting, could you elaborate your thoughts on the 8th concerning the birth situation? thanks, Jag

Hi Jag
8th house is a house of death and rebirth. I would rely on 8th house of the mom's chart and the baby. Calico was born with defected heart, so that would put me into believeing that her 8th house was active. calico was on a brink of death as soon as she came out.
I also put 8th house as a house of survival. Her chart would be interesting to test the grain of relocation charts. Move the chart, say, Africa, and see if 8th house holds up.9 out of 10 she would not have survived if born there.

see my thread of a thought?

Thanks
tik

[Sag Moon]

Jag:
There are several astrologers that have researched and done work concerning child birth.

I remember reading particular aspects and planets which might indicate a difficult childbirth such as having Pluto on the ascendent afflicted by another planet such as a Malefic.`

I was born with a hernia with Ma sq. Asc Ju-Cap 7th conj. by Mn chart ruler in the 6th.

These are the types of things where only an experienced astrologer can point to.It is also why generic readings will fail to show up what might have ocurred.

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thanks Tik, so you would look at the 8th house of the mother, what do you think about the 8th house of the baby? indeed the birth itself is a "life-death" struggle for both the mother and the baby...the problem to observe this is that often the mother's birth time is unknown.

you said that 8th house is the house of survival? i've never heard about this. do you refer to the Pluto thing of "transformation"????


Hi Jag

If a labor/pregnancy is difficult, mom's chart! If a baby fights for survival, I would look at the baby's 8th house . I will tell you why. My xfriend was pregnant in 1998, the baby inside of her was FINE, healthy and kicking until the last minute. She was in labor. Everything was perfect. However, when the baby came out it was bornstill. the docs were unable to bring him to life.
so where do you look? her 8th house or the baby's 8th house? of course the baby's 8th house.

Think about it .. scorpios fight to survive. Nothing comes easy. I know it. I am one of them. I took my 1st breath i was fighting for my life. My birth is shrouded in mystery. No one exactly knows what was going on until nov 4, 1975. There were rumors. Look at my chart, my 8th house is pisces. Neptune in 4th. Neptune trines Jupiter and sextiles pluto. Jupiter is in aries in 9th house right on the cusp with 8th house. pluto in 2nd house ruling 4th house. See how much fuzz my 8th house had created? the foundation *4th house* has neptune, ruler of 8th, family secrets or soemthign even more sinister.

once the baby is out, he/she is on her own. That is when the baby gets her/his chart.


Tik

[pixie1982]

Hi Jagetoile,

Like you I also have my asc in sagittarius conjunct neptune. It is also conjunct juno. Both juno and neptune are retrograde and slightly in the 12th.

I have been told that I was a very quick and easy birth, all over in less than a couple of hours. My mother did not make it to her hospital of choice, but made it to a nearby hospital where I was delivered in casualty ward, as it all happened so quickly.

My mother always says that the pain of childbirth is not as bad as everyone makes out! She is a scorpio with a pisces moon and is quite sensitive to pain generally.

My asc is quite well aspected. It trines my sun (8th house) and sextiles pluto (9th house). So I would agree that maybe these aspects may have contributed to an easier birth.

Perhaps the neptune over the ascendant had something to do with my mother's confusion over getting to the 'right' hospital and judging the time she had to get there?

pixie x

[Yoi]

So, what would you say would denote someone who was born in the midst of great violence and bloodshed and whose life was in danger because they belonged to the group targeted for extermination (said mass extermination starting just before they were born) and who managed to escape while many others in the same situation perished through extraordinary good fortune and lots of sacrifice from other people especially family (and lots of bribes to relevant authorities)? Oh yeah and had to spend the 1st few years of their life in hiding.

Yes this is a real person. And Pluto's nowhere near the Ascendant :) In fact the ascendant is one of the nice light-hearted airy ones.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

You people make me feel inadequate... I have no planet touching my Ascendant in any way... :(

I have a Pisces Ascendant and I was supposed to be a Cancer, but I decided to hang around for another three weeks and be born a Leo instead. My mom says I was an easy birth, just a bit longer than she would have liked it to be. Out of the thirteen grandchildren my grandparents have, I was the third in all and the second boy (my cousin Nathan beat me by a Season) and according to them I was the easiest birth and early childhood having the fewest health complications easiest temperment than my cousins "by far" (interestingly, my mother is the only one of the six siblings to only have one child).

Going off of Draco's idea of examining the M.C. I ACTUALLY have something going on with this angle! Amazing, isn't it? My Mercury/Mars conjuction in Leo from my sixth house Trines my M.C., also, if you wanted to go with O.O.S. aspects, retrograde Uranus conjucts this angle, and Jupiter opposes it, but I don't count O.O.S. aspects, personally.


-祈祷師 の 星

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hello Yoi,how would this person got the exact birth time in such a confusing and life-threathening situation?

Well I might as well admit it, that person is me.

Basically the situation is, when my mother was pregnant they introduced the one-child policy in China with forced abortions, sterelizations etc. (yes, I gave my details as Hong Kong but I was born just over the border in China. Hong Kong is the closest city. If it wasn't for the border being there you could easily commute to work in Hong Kong every day). Obviously I was not the first child.

My family have money because of relatives overseas. So I had a proper doctor in attendance (somewhat illegally)in a clinic though I was born somewhat illegally because of the one-child rule. So I was a "black child" who survived only because of my family's extensive use of bribes and willingness to take the risk to protect me. Of course families without so much money or were not willing to take the risk of pissing off the authorities had their babies aborted (you know China and its forced abortions). Still, even then the first few years of my life were *theoretically* tough as I was technically a non-person and not even allowed to legally access any food or medicine according to the laws of the time (I stress the legally part). So probably without the extensive funds sent by relatives and my family's willingness to deal with the criminal underground I probably would have died in the first few years of life anyway of starvation or something. Hey, I was the "black child", forbidden child, underground child, hidden child, born in defiance of the government's wishes and existing due only to my family's love, sacrifice, money, criminal gangs and the greed of certain government officials. My mother had really bad timing I have to say.

[Draco]

where do you look? her 8th house or the baby's 8th house?

Her eighth of grief, anxiety and loss, but also the fifth of babies, as well as the most unfortunate twelfth, which is also the eighth from the fifth (death of baby), the rulers of these houses, planets in these houses, the malefics, especially Saturn, and the Dragon's Tail, and the barren signs especially Leo (as chaste Virgo, and same sex Gemini don't conceive in the first place).

For the baby, yes, the eighth, but also it's tenth for mother, also the fifth, which is the eighth from the tenth (grief of mother), and the ascendant, which encapsulates the moment of the sorry delivery, the rulers of these houses, planets in these houses and the malefics, especially Saturn, and the Dragon's Tail, and the mute signs, or 'signs of no voice': Cancer, Pisces and Scorpio, but especially Scorpio, the house of a malefic and the fall of the feminine luminary.

For both charts the dispositor of the Part of Death, degree of Saturn + cusp of eighth - Moon.

The dispositor of The Destroyer, Ascendant + Moon - Ascendant ruler, to be reversed by night.

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[Mikey279x]

I'm an aries rising and they had to use a plunger on my head :59:haha I was a difficult birth lol :rolleyes:

[tikana]

I'm an aries rising and they had to use a plunger on my head :59:haha I was a difficult birth lol :rolleyes:

Mickey,

people usually use a plunger to push something back. are you sure they were trying to yank you out?

humorously disguisting,
Tik

[tikana]

Well I might as well admit it, that person is me.

Basically the situation is, when my mother was pregnant they introduced the one-child policy in China with forced abortions, sterelizations etc. (yes, I gave my details as Hong Kong but I was born just over the border in China. Hong Kong is the closest city. If it wasn't for the border being there you could easily commute to work in Hong Kong every day). Obviously I was not the first child.

My family have money because of relatives overseas. So I had a proper doctor in attendance (somewhat illegally)in a clinic though I was born somewhat illegally because of the one-child rule. So I was a "black child" who survived only because of my family's extensive use of bribes and willingness to take the risk to protect me. Of course families without so much money or were not willing to take the risk of pissing off the authorities had their babies aborted (you know China and its forced abortions). Still, even then the first few years of my life were *theoretically* tough as I was technically a non-person and not even allowed to legally access any food or medicine according to the laws of the time (I stress the legally part). So probably without the extensive funds sent by relatives and my family's willingness to deal with the criminal underground I probably would have died in the first few years of life anyway of starvation or something. Hey, I was the "black child", forbidden child, underground child, hidden child, born in defiance of the government's wishes and existing due only to my family's love, sacrifice, money, criminal gangs and the greed of certain government officials. My mother had really bad timing I have to say.

Yoi

I dont know about the rest but I am glad you made it!

Tik

[wintersprite1]

difficult aspects of Moon in the chart of your children are very interesting, could you tell me the squares in the charts are applying or separating?



My daughter has the Moon at 21Libra41 in the 7th, and 21Capricorn14rx Neptune and 23Capricorn22rx Uranus both in the 10th.

My son has the Moon at 2Scorpio24 in the 11th, and 27Capricorn30rx Neptune in 2nd house and 4Aquarius24rx Uranus in the 2nd.

So both are applying to Uranus... no wonder they both wanted to be space aliens for Halloween in preschool. :p

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

hi Kaiousei no Senshi, your name is not easy! thanks for your input. what is your 12th house cusp? i've read that some people with 12th Picese would rather stay in the womb of the mother at birth since it is just so nice there inside (Piscean peace)!

My twelfth house cusp is in mid-Aquarius and is empty save for the Dragon's Head. I think it's interesting to note that both the Traditional and Modern ruler for this Sign are in my tenth house. I guess I just love my mommy! :D

-祈祷師 の 星

[Yoi]

thanks for the adding, Yoi. now i understand it better. but i think the social environment is shown more by the generational aspects in a chart? i think the ASC could tell the very personal information of birth itself. it seems that you are still very lucky given the social pressure---you survived while other perished... you have Gemini ASC, is there any aspect to it? how it passed the delivery of your mother? was the birth a "natural" one or with certain difficulties? :rolleyes:

Actually I don't really see anything in the generational aspects of my chart to indicate anything about the situation. The birth itself was fine. No problems.

Aspects to the Ascendant? Let's see, there's the Asc Square the NN. That's about 1 degree. There are some loose squares from Mars and Jupiter and a loose trine from Saturn and a biquintile from Venus. I don't really see anything in the Ascendant that talks anything about the situation, nor would it.

Of the traditional aspects in my chart the only one I see having anything to do with my situation would be Jupiter in the 4th house trine Venus in the 8th. 8th is the house of death. Venus in the 8th helps "save" you. It is trine Jupiter in the 4th. My life was saved by my family's resources. I think there is an obvious correlation there. As for the actual danger itself I'm sure a zillion people have Mars square Ascendant and are not in the severe situation I was in. There's

However of the not-so-traditional aspects there is something I think that is a clear sign. In the 7th house I have the Part of Fortune, the fixed star Antares and the Sun within a couple of degrees of each other. And they tightly square the house ruler and their dispositor Jupiter in the 4th house. Also in the same sign as Jupiter are the malefics Mars and Saturn. Jupiter is conjunct Mars which is conjunct the NN.

Bob describes the PoF as the "lookout" on your ship of life. As my PoF is in an angular house (the 7th) it is powerful force in my life. Also it is in a sign ruled by a benefict and that benefict is tightly square the PoF and the power of aspects to the PoF lie in their angle. However in the same whole sign Fortuna house as Jupiter are the malefics Mars and Saturn. So while I will have great fortune it will be accompanied by great big potholes.

Antares is one of the most powerful fixed stars. It is a Royal Star and one of the 4 watchers. It is of nature Mars and Jupiter and is the heart of the scorpion. It is associated with the archangel Uriel the flame of God who is known for bringing destruction and terror on the enemies of God and those whom God wishes to punish. Its nature is both good and bad. It can bring great glory and fortune but is accompanied by great violence and destruction as well. However the Scorpion is also the Eagle so it is better to have the Eagle-like nature. However it is also a protective star. In Egypt it was the marker of the goddess Sekmet who protected against poisons and death. In Chinese mythology it is the heart of the Azure Dragon of the East, who represents life and the star itself is invoked for protection against fire. The Dragon though of course is also a fierce and merciless killer when roused which ties in with the Scorpio story. Basically the nature of Antares is great fortune tied with situations of great violence. Antares also represents rebellion against authority and freedom from slavery.

So there is the Sun, PoF and Antares all in conjunction with each other. They are tightly square Jupiter and in a wider orb Mars, thus further emphasizing the Jupiter (good fortune) and Mars (extreme violence) nature of the situation. The PoF depends on the Ascendant and so I guess the Ascendant ties in with the situation there.

Also in a strange coincidence, the name my parents chose to give me has strong references to Antares. No idea why they did it (they didn't have astrology in mind) but nice coincidence!

[unukalhai]

thanks unukalhai to contribute on this topic. it's interesting that you have lived similar birth situation as mine. do you mind to tell me how is your 8th house, at which cusp is it? what planets are found there?

My brother is also a capricorn rising, pluto and sun square ASC (large orbs), he came out late with a forcepts, he has 4 "holes" in his head and still visible when he is 30. :rolleyes:

By Koch houses, the final degree of Cancer, with Leo fully contained (intercepted sign) in the 8th, Mars and N.Node. Koch is the only house system that gives me interceptions.

By Placidus, Regiomontanus and Porphyry, Leo with Mars, N.Node and Jupiter.

Equal and whole houses push the planets into the 9th, but maintain Leo on the cusp.

Take your pick :)

I've read that us Capricorn rising folks don't want to come out of the womb, we dread being subjected to birth so it's our nature to fight it. I wish I could remember where I read that ages ago, but it's stuck with me...

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hi my ascendant is Scorpio.Aspects:square with sun and Jupiter,opposition with Mars.But my mother says that my birth was so so easy.:confused:

[weee11]

intresting subject
my ascendent is in virgo
my mother says that the birth process took only 3 hours, and she didnt even took any medication or something to ease the pain, she said it was very easy, but she also sayed that i was indesicive wheter i wanted to stay in the womb or get out lol but i think it normal :P

[allie_b]

I'm a bit late to this discussion, sorry.

Back when I didn't know anything about astrology, I had an astrologer look at my chart and say to me, oh, you had a difficult birth. And yes, I did.

I was born three weeks early(I wanted to be a Pisces not an Aries!:D ).

According to my mother, I seemed to have turned around in utero, in the bumpy ambulance ride to the hospital (to be born). I had the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck, so when the doctor realized this, I had to be born emergency C-section.

I also had rh factor--where my mom built up antibodies to me, to put it simply. I was born jaundice and had to have a few blood transfusions immediately after birth.

So my chart: I have Uranus in Libra (in the 12th)conjunct Libra Asc (4 degrees away)with Jupiter in Libra (5 degrees from Asc.) conjucting Uranus also. I think the Jupiter shows the luck factor, that I survived and the Uranus, the medical procedures needed to keep me alive.

Both planets oppose my Moon in Aries in the 7th (Uranus 5 degree orb, Jupiter 6 degrees).

Both planets also oppose my Sun in Pisces in the 6th (Jupiter by 3 degrees and Uranus, 4 degrees).

Both planets square the Midheaven(Cancer) and IC (obviously!), no planets on that axis however.

[johnmike59]

Scorpio Ascendant and natural -- though I was born two weeks late - due date, August 19, DOB - September 1.

Turns out Mom was late with all three of us - Brother was due December 11, born January 2, 1948. in the midst of a MAJOR blizzard (26" of snow)

Sister was due - January 26 - DOB - Feb. 9th - so she was destined to be an Aquarian, regardless. We were all natural, btw!

Why the question to the OP, may I ask? :))

[LnLL]

Also an Aries rising here...also had to be pulled out by a plunger on my head (big shoulders...Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Sag. trining asc?). I thought that was a funny coincidence so I had to post.

[Lunar Pisces]

I'm a Virgo rising (my chart's posted on my personal page). I have Virgo Pluto and Libra Uranus (singleton and RX stationary direct) in the first house. My ASC aspects are:

- 10th house Gem Mercury square (-2)
- 7th house Pisces moon opposition (-5)
- 6th house NN quincunx (<1; for true node it's 2)
- 8th house Aries Chiron quincunx (1)
- 3rd house Jupiter quintile (1)

I was born faster than expected. The doctor had to be called back frorm his lunch to deliver me since they weren't expecting me that soon. I didn't cry when I was born, but I was scratching myself. There weren't any major complications during birth, but I was born anemic.

[Mr. Conjunct]

I had a caeserian birth at 15 Pisces rising, having Neptune sextile ASC and Pluto trine ASC.

[Virinchi]

i've pluto in my ascedant and when i was born there was a big hurricane washing out the entire place and surroundings
powercut and darkness and heavy rains followed

break for few mins and i was born and then rain continued and adjacent sea had huge tides which took parts of beach into it

[tsquare]

I have a leo ascendent. sagitarius decante.
I was born with Jaundice, and had to be kept at the hospital for a while, in something like an incubator, under the bright lights.
I don't really have any interesting aspects to my asc. other then a wide moon conj.
and a few other aspects to it like sextile pluto, sextile mars, trine neptune, trine midheaven.

I havent really chased down what might have caused it.

[crabapple]

Hi Jag,
Great thread.

I have 4th H Venus, 5th H Uranus and Pluto square my Gemini Asc. Neither I nor my mother was in any hurry to get me born. My mom was out shopping when her labor came. Despite urging from a sister who was with her, she refused to go to the hospital until her water broke. She said she knew I wasn't ready. Then I was slow in coming. My big head became stuck (even though I was the third child). I was a forcepts delivery. Poor mom- I don't think they gave her any pain medications.

From my looks and body-type, I would say I was meant to have a Taurean Asc., but I do have the restless, information gathering mind of a Gemini. Also long arms and large, sensitive hands.

[Verena]

I find this quite interesting.
My asc is 23 degrees libra, with neptune conj. in the 1th. on 28 degr.
I was born with water in my lounges, and was given an oxygen mask for the first 24 hours of my new life.
I was also 2-3 weeks late and my mother told me it was a hard labor giving birth.
Other aspects to asc: sun in square in the 3.house, jupiter-uranus (conj.) square from 9.house. A t-square in other words. mercury is part of this in a wide conj. with sun, and makes a square to neptune. Finally Chiron is making an accurate square to neptune. (conj. mercury)
I guess you can say it indicates hard labo(u)r. ;-)

[cardinal19]

capricorn, aries rising, mars conjunct asc. in 0 degrees taurus (I was born on the day mars changed, and if I'd been born about 6 or 7 hours later my sun would be in aquarius). moon in cancer, also born on the day the moon changed. sun square mars and asc, moon sextile mars, mars trine saturn and uranus. My dad says I was born "right on time" basically, don't know how difficult of a birth I was, all I know is that there's a picture in my baby book of "mom being swen up by the doctor" and I know for a fact she didn't have a c-section so I'm not sure what happened there. also according to my baby book I kept getting fevers during the first year of my life, and since my mars is heavily aspected and my asc. is aries that seems about right :-D.

[tikana]

peeps

i am not too crazy about the whole entire idea of this thread.

here is why

if you were born with the same asce say hmm 200 years ago, you woudl have had A LOT LOT less chances to survive. there werent pain killers, knowledgeable doctors, surgeons and etc

mortality rate was SUPER HIGH. people were having kids as often as they could because of fear of famine, children were dying at a very young age. WHy even go that far?
my grandma had 7 kids .. only 3 daughters survived. we are talking 1930s. 3 kids died from deseases that can be cured right now but 1 kid my mom tried to explain to me i didnt get it until i saw TV program... the baby was growing outside of the pouch. the baby still feeds off the main tube but it is not in the right place. It does not happen too often but it does happen. Anyway, if this was done right with today's advances in medicine, the baby could have survived. The doctors didnt realize until the last minute that the baby was growing outside of the pouch. the cut off the tube and the baby died before she was born.

so i am not too sure about the idea of asce and how a personw as born.

that is just my 2 cents
Tik

[sara31tx]

My daughter and I are both Scorpio Rising. I had a emergency c-section with her. My mom told me that She almost died having me because of a overdose of medicine given to her by the nurse.

[Morghana Stellara]

My mother gave birth to my 3 healthy sisters and I all naturally, with no anesthesia whatsoever.

I was the first, and with me her labor was most difficult. I was born face up (heh! a stargazer, even at birth) after 13 hours of hard labor. I have Virgo rising with Mars in Pisces directly opposing my Ascendant.

My sister born a year after me has Taurus rising. She was the product of an easy and natural birth. She has Mars trine Asc and Jupiter sextile Asc.

The next one was induced, but still yet born without aid of painkillers, and delivered naturally. Like me, she has Virgo rising. She has Mercury trine Asc and Sun/Mars squ Asc - the Asc is actually part of a mutable Tsquare with her Sun/Mars, Moon, and Uranus.

My youngest sister was induced yet born 100% natural also, was blue when she came out but was healthy and gained color quickly. She has Sagittarius rising.

We were all born in good health, and my mother suffered no complications while giving birth.

With my own daughter, I tried (very hard!) to give birth naturally, but she wouldn't come out. They induced my labor, and after no progress in 13 hours, I got an epidural so I could rest. After 13 more hours, they insisted on a C-section. Her Asc is Pisces, with Uranus conjunct, and makes stressful aspects to Moon and Saturn. Her father chose not to attend her birth, but the man I was with at the time did attend, and still gives her much love.

She was born with extremely low blood sugar due to the long labor, but otherwise was in perfect health.

[Arian Maverick]

My goodness, how did I miss jagetoile's article until now? :eek:

This is absolutely beautiful and almost had me in tears, although I've never given birth...

Thank you for posting.

Arian Maverick

[Morghana Stellara]

My goodness, how did I miss jagetoile's article until now? :eek:

This is absolutely beautiful and almost had me in tears, although I've never given birth...

Thank you for posting.

I'll second that! But I have given birth. This story is so real, so true. I agree with every word. We would gradually become a healthier society, in every way, if respect for and nurturing of spirituality in the birthing room were restored.

[dylan]

Hmm, taurus rising.

Ascendant opposition Sun and Pluto, Square with Mars and trine Neptune.
Had a normal birth with a twin brother 2 mins younger than me

[sareta]

My son was born with Scorpio rising.

I had a 29-hour labour, and for the last few hours he was stuck. The cord was round his neck, they had to do an emergency forceps delivery. His ascendent is exactly conjunct his father's planets.

His father has Leo rising, and his heart stopped when he was born.

[pearlized]

By Koch houses, the final degree of Cancer, with Leo fully contained (intercepted sign) in the 8th, Mars and N.Node. Koch is the only house system that gives me interceptions.

By Placidus, Regiomontanus and Porphyry, Leo with Mars, N.Node and Jupiter.

Equal and whole houses push the planets into the 9th, but maintain Leo on the cusp.

Take your pick :)

I've read that us Capricorn rising folks don't want to come out of the womb, we dread being subjected to birth so it's our nature to fight it. I wish I could remember where I read that ages ago, but it's stuck with me...
In Jeanne Averys " The Rising Sign" it is stated Capricorn risings doesnt trust anyone but him/herself and starts out by controlling the birth as long as possible. I have never heard my mother mention my birth in detail except that i came three weeks early. She and my father married when she was 5 months pregnant. None of her pregnancies where planned. She wanted to wait till she had a career before having kids but that didnt happen.

[Summery Joy]

My twin and I were born under the same circumstances (obviously), but she has a Taurus Asc while I have Gemini.

[Kingsley]

I have Mars in 1st, I was induced at my birth. Taurus ascendant.

k

[deanna]

My birth was very easy my mom said. She said she read a book before I was born. Then she went out to have a cigarette after the birth.



I have Scorpio Neptune in the 12th house conjunct my Ascendant. In Sagittarius.
Other Aspects to my Ascendant:

Opposition:
Sun in Taurus-6th house
Mercury in Gemini-6th/7th house

Squares:
Moon in Leo-9th house

Trines:
Jupiter in Cancer-8th house
Saturn in Aries-4th house

As for my son it was 17 hours of labor before he was born. I had an epidural right away. I watched a James Bond Marathon through the night in the hospital. They finally decided to do a C-section. No pain until the surgery. The little Arian rams head was stuck and they really had to pull. The doctor said that he just did not fit through the natural way. He had a mark on the top of his head for a while.

It was a blur due to the pain medication but his dad got to see everything. His dad told me that when our son opened his eyes for the first time they doctor quickly turned him around to see his dad. He then opened his arms towards his dad and cried.

He was born on his due date and on my grandma’s birthday. She passed away 4 months later. A miracle baby because he is the only great grandchild on either side out of 7 grandchildren.



Also we are older parents in our early 40's.


My son has mars in Gemini in the 12th house/Cancer rising.

Aspects to his Ascendant:

Squares:
Sun in Aries -10th house

Trines:
Jupiter- in Scorpio 5th house
Mercury- in Aquarius 9th house
Uranus— in Aquarius 9th house


I hope this helps your research!

Cheers! Deanna

[RockFish]

Hello all,

I have capricorn rising at 17 degrees, conjunct with mercury. Both ascendant and mercury are squared by Pluto in 10th. It was a fast birth, but I scared the s*** out of my mom because before getting to the hospital the water coming out of the uterus suddenly appeared mixed with blood. She was very afraid that something bad was going on, but nothing worse happened.

Very interesting thread.

[Arian Maverick]

He was born on his due date and on my grandma’s birthday.

I'm a little Aries ram also born on her due date; who says we Arians aren't right on time? :p

I don't I became stuck--that was my big-shouldered Taurus Sun brother with his first house Jupiter in Pisces--but supposedly I couldn't stick with my decision to be born that day and decided to abruptly stop all progress. The doctors wouldn't have that, so they loaded my poor 100-pound mother with a full dose of pitocin that was not in proportion with her weight or size; needless to say, things progressed quite rapidly from there. As I mentioned before, I even broke the fetal monitor! :D

Arian Maverick

[Moulin]

Hi there,

I was born about 3 wks early (should have been a gemini!) and l was born by C-section after a labour.

When l was born l went into cold turkey as l was severely addicted to the drugs my mother took during pregnancy... and l nearly died. Apparently l went blue within 24 hrs of being born and had to be drip-fed the drug to come off it.

Anyway, posting my chart are l would not know where to associate AC with birth :)

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee149/larita26/moulin.gif

[Arian Maverick]

Anyway, posting my chart are l would not know where to associate AC with birth

Neptune, the ruler of your Pisces Ascendant, governs drugs and drug addictions. This is not to indicate that every individual born with a Pisces Ascendant will have similar difficulties at birth, but I find it interesting, nevertheless.

I wonder if your large intercepted first house stellium also plays a role...?

Arian Maverick

[Moulin]

Yes Arian Maverick, my stellium might play a role. I feel that one of the reasons l was born early is that my mother didn't really want me and so the combination of her negative/non motherly vibes projected onto me may have triggered my Aries/stell impulsiveness as quite suddenly l panicked in the womb and this is why they induced labour.

This then makes me question whether the astrological setup plays a part BEFORE birth?

Interestingly, as an adult l don't have an addictive personality - neither chocolate, drugs, drink nor other vices are excessive in my life. In fact l rarely drink nor eat chocolate.

My stellium has gotten me into a load of trouble emotionally in my life - impulsiveness to the hilt and people upon meeting me are almost scared of me, often saying later they thought l was too much! (almost a scorpio trait?)

Thank goodness for the jupiter trine to it all! :D

[Arian Maverick]

Yes, Aries is all about physical survival, but I believe that we are all born exactly when we need to be born; the particular astrological configuration at the moment of our birth only indicates decisions and contracts that we have previously made.

I am not surprised that you do not have an addictive personality as an adult; since you were involuntarily exposed to such toxic substances in utero, you may have subconsciously developed an aversion and disgust of the dependency your mother--and thus, you--had upon them. Aries is probably the most independent sign of the zodiac, and your stellium probably cannot stand the idea of what it may perceive to be great weakness of character. I do not personally view drug addiction as occurring only to those of weak character, so please do not misinterpret my words, but I believe it is highly probably that specific archetypes interpret possible scenarios and circumstances in different ways, almost as if they were living, breathing entities.

I find the different kinds of mutual reception you have going on between the Moon and Venus in Aries and the Sun, Mars, and even Mercury (the esoteric ruler of Aries) very interesting indeed; the Moon is exalted in Taurus while the Sun is exalted in Aries, and Venus is the ruler of Taurus while Mars is the ruler of Aries. This kind of makes me curious where Vulcan, the esoteric ruler of Taurus, is located, although I've never used it in my interpretations before and probably will not use it here on the forums; I doubt the traditional astrologers will take well to the idea of using a hypothetical planet, one that doesn't physically exist. Even I'm a bit skeptical, I admit, but your mutual receptions are so intriguing--especially since they all tie in with your nodal axis--that I wish I could get my hands on a hypothetical planet ephemeris.

I just noticed that Saturn is also involved in this "super conjunction" of planets in Aries--so we've really run the gamut of planets that are traditionally uncomfortable in this sign. Don't fear, though, because I believe the series of mutual receptions with the similarly "debilitated" planets in Taurus provides you with a strong foundation upon which to build upon. I don't know why, but I'm feeling a strong aspect of fate here--especially since these planets in Aries are all within two degrees of the North Node on either side!

I apologize for getting off-topic a bit here; I don't know exactly how this is all related with the circumstances surrounding your birth, but I'm sure that it's significant.

I'm also beginning to eye your eighth house Neptune in Scorpio, the modern ruler of your Pisces Ascendant, suspecting that this mystical planet in a water house and sign may also hold some clues. Interestingly, Jupiter, the traditional ruler of your Pisces Ascendant, also rules your Sagittarius Midheaven--the cusp of the tenth house, which is traditionally associated with the mother. These planets form a tight square to each other, within ten arcminutes; Mars is also applying towards a square aspect with Jupiter although the orb is not as tight, forming a T-square configuration with Jupiter as the apex planet. We should really look up the Sabian symbol associated with 26 Leo as well as its opposite point, 26 Aquarius, and see if this reveals any additional insight.

Here are the symbols from the main site:

Leo 26
Sabian Symbol: A perfect rainbow forms slowly in the summer rain as the sun begins to break through the rather thin cloudbanks.
Kozminsky Symbol: Two hands clasped under a floral crown.

Aquarius 26
Sabian Symbol: The battery man at the automobile service station about to inspect a customer's car has his hydrometer in hand.
Kozminsky Symbol: Three fires blazing above three triangular hills, a cross sword floating in air above.

Arian Maverick

[Moulin]

Yes, Aries is all about physical survival, but I believe that we are all born exactly when we need to be born; the particular astrological configuration at the moment of our birth only indicates decisions and contracts that we have previously made.

wow Arian Maverick it's so interesting because l never before looked at my birth as the 1st survival tactic but in truth l have been surviving catastrophes ever since. I am very much a survivor and fiercly independent!!
I have just looked up my fathers birth chart (he was a huge influence in my life) and his sun/moon/ac/venus are all in Aries and are splattered all over my stellium. His AC is almost exact my venus - no wonder he had such a hold over me emotionally. Gosh! How enlightening, thank you so very much. I feel a sense of understanding now toward him :)

I am not surprised that you do not have an addictive personality as an adult; since you were involuntarily exposed to such toxic substances in utero, you may have subconsciously developed an aversion and disgust of the dependency your mother--and thus, you--had upon them. Aries is probably the most independent sign of the zodiac, and your stellium probably cannot stand the idea of what it may perceive to be great weakness of character. I do not personally view drug addiction as occurring only to those of weak character, so please do not misinterpret my words, but I believe it is highly probably that specific archetypes interpret possible scenarios and circumstances in different ways, almost as if they were living, breathing entities.

No, any weakness of character is a no no for me. It can be a great weakness though as l never ask for help. I'm like a knight in shining armour, to myself.

I find the different kinds of mutual reception you have going on between the Moon and Venus in Aries and the Sun, Mars, and even Mercury (the esoteric ruler of Aries) very interesting indeed; the Moon is exalted in Taurus while the Sun is exalted in Aries, and Venus is the ruler of Taurus while Mars is the ruler of Aries. This kind of makes me curious where Vulcan, the esoteric ruler of Taurus, is located, although I've never used it in my interpretations before and probably will not use it here on the forums; I doubt the traditional astrologers will take well to the idea of using a hypothetical planet, one that doesn't physically exist. Even I'm a bit skeptical, I admit, but your mutual receptions are so intriguing--especially since they all tie in with your nodal axis--that I wish I could get my hands on a hypothetical planet ephemeris.

My "me me" aries side is curious now as to why it's so intruiging....

I just noticed that Saturn is also involved in this "super conjunction" of planets in Aries--so we've really run the gamut of planets that are traditionally uncomfortable in this sign. Don't fear, though, because I believe the series of mutual receptions with the similarly "debilitated" planets in Taurus provides you with a strong foundation upon which to build upon. I don't know why, but I'm feeling a strong aspect of fate here--especially since these planets in Aries are all within two degrees of the North Node on either side!

Yes, and probably accounts for the tremendously hard lessons l have had to face and ultimately conquer! My downfall is emotional relationships are being so strong has also been a problem for the past men in my life. If l go for a equally strong arian/fire type then we end up combusting each other and if l go for a watery type... l turn them into steam. Then my mars in Taurus which should naturally resides in Aries, and the Venus in Aries that naturally resides in Taurus is very confusing for me. I am masculine where l should be feminine and fem where l should be masc :(

I apologize for getting off-topic a bit here; I don't know exactly how this is all related with the circumstances surrounding your birth, but I'm sure that it's significant.

I agree.. l just wish l wasn't such a novice to astrology.

I'm also beginning to eye your eighth house Neptune in Scorpio, the modern ruler of your Pisces Ascendant, suspecting that this mystical planet in a water house and sign may also hold some clues. Interestingly, Jupiter, the traditional ruler of your Pisces Ascendant, also rules your Sagittarius Midheaven--the cusp of the tenth house, which is traditionally associated with the mother. These planets form a tight square to each other, within ten arcminutes; Mars is also applying towards a square aspect with Jupiter although the orb is not as tight, forming a T-square configuration with Jupiter as the apex planet. We should really look up the Sabian symbol associated with 26 Leo as well as its opposite point, 26 Aquarius, and see if this reveals any additional insight.

People assume l am a scorpio as l exude this overpowering sexuality, which is actually a major problem. This sexiness blinkers anyone coming toward me, to my sensitive side.

Wonderful sabians, Thank you :)
So very interesting... and i'm so grateful for such an insightful and indepth take on my chart.

does the grand trine (l know it involves the MC) on that stellium mean anything or does it intensify everything?

I think my 7th uranus joins forces with my stellium and sometimes l get an incredibly impulsive need for freedom... almost feel like l am suffocating within my immediate environment.

[memento mori]

aries AC here, mars in the 12th H also noth node in 12th in Pisces there.

Born by induced labor about one week early. Violent birth, mom almost died, and the embillical cord was around my neck i think ... spent the early days in the incubator with badly developed liver, baby hepatitis and they didnt get the bandage nicely on my eye so one was les developed when i was a kid.

chart's in the sig for any and all curious ppl

[Claire19]

Hello Jagetoile,

Interesting question.

I don't know whether the Ascendant has any correlation to birth, especially difficult births with the aspects you name, at least from my experience.

My first child has a Scorpio Ascendant, but the only difficult aspect to his ascendant is a wide square from Uranus in his 3rd house. I was in labour for 19 hours with him; he was stuck, wouldn't descend, and was finally born with the help of forceps. I had no drugs for the first 18 1/2 hours, and had a spinal block right before they used the forceps. Sheer hell. I am still traumatised to think about it.

My second child, on the other hand, has some *very* challenging aspects, having a Pluto-Saturn opposition along the vertical (4th/10th) axis, both squaring her Pisces ascendant. Her birth, however, was *exceptionally* easy, as I chose to have whatever drug cocktails they could offer me during labour:- I didn't want to have another nightmare birth! As it is, ironically, I could have had her without *any* drugs, as she was a classic 'textbook perfect' birth.

But just because my two examples don't verify your research, doesn't mean it isn't valid. Keep looking!

Best,
AG:)

Need to look at your transits etc when you were giving birth after all. You were experiencing it much more and we typically forget the trauma of our births. That the one with the Pisces ascendant had the drugs present with her birth is relevant. She is ruled by Neptune and her aspects from that planet may give the picture as well as your personal chart. We need to take the ruler of the ascendant and its aspects into consideration also.
What was Pluto his chart ruler doing? It may show up more in his Moon aspects which would be your experience. There are so many scenarios.
With the 3rd house Uranus, it may be that sibling or neighbour experienced disruption with the birth or there may have been some problems with the journey to or from the place of birth, perhaps mechanical or something out of the blue. The orb would have to be within 6 degrees for effect. I dont know what you mean by wide????? We need always to take the case with the individual charts involved. Nothing is cut and dried in astrology. I would have lost interest many moons ago if it were. :)

[Claire19]

I am ruled by Neptune with Pisces rising and I am sure my mother had the aid of drugs. However it is the Sun opposing my ascendant from the 6th that is influential. My father was absent, still at work and my mother felt quite abandoned as he didnt show up straight away. I feel that aspect has made me feel quite insignificant in some way and I have had to deal with that in order to have a decent life. I felt I was not welcomed by my father and I feel that my mother sensed that too. There were financial problems and I had arrived rather too early after their marriage.

[Arian Maverick]

Need to look at your transits etc when you were giving birth after all. You were experiencing it much more and we typically forget the trauma of our births.

I agree that we need to look at transits to the mother's natal chart, but I disagree that we typically forget the trauma of our births--at least, not subconsciously.

That the one with the Pisces ascendant had the drugs present with her birth is relevant. She is ruled by Neptune and her aspects from that planet may give the picture as well as your personal chart. We need to take the ruler of the ascendant and its aspects into consideration also.

Are you referring to Moulin? I think she's since changed her Ascendant to Leo; she was never certain of the birth time.

I wish we could determine if certain drugs or birth-induction procedures were associated with certain planets or signs. The nature of pitocin seems Arian to me since it speeds things up by intensifying uterine contractions, while the pain-relief cocktails seem more Piscean...but are they not all drugs, which generally are associated with Pisces/Neptune? These drugs have become more greatly used throughout the years in many western countries, particularly the United States. Would this be reflected in the birth charts of the infants? They can't all have Pisces Ascendants or other strong Neptunian influences...

Arian Maverick

[kurayami]

This is quite an interesting thread.

I wouldn't know where to begin or how my chart relates to it.

I was born at 22 weeks. I guess I survived out of sheer stubbornness. My ascendant is 5 degrees of Aries, with my moon at 2 degrees of aries trining Venus in Sag and Uranus at the end of Scorpio. My moon also trines my north node. So I guess that's a grand trine of sorts.

I have a stellium consisting of Saturn, Sun, Jupiter, Pluto in libra in my 7th conjuncted by mercury at the start of scorpio. The chart ruler, being Mars is in the fifth, square the Uranus/Venus conjunction.

With regard to my mother's chart, at the time of my birth, she was having a lunar return and the ascendant was also conjunct her natal moon in the first house. Mars is conjunct her pluto on the cusp of the 7th house. Also Saturn, Sun, Jupiter and Pluto square her Mercury/Uranus conjunction in Cancer. And Mercury is conjunct Saturn.

[R4VEN]

I've read that us Capricorn rising folks don't want to come out of the womb, we dread being subjected to birth so it's our nature to fight it. I wish I could remember where I read that ages ago, but it's stuck with me... When I read that, I thought: Yep, that's Cap rising alright - and then Rockfish went on to report an easy Cap rising birth!!!
I've done a spontaneous rebirth - some years ago, when I was examining some of my default emotional reactions to life - and discovered that during my birth (very difficult, both induced and with forceps involved) I `decided' to hold back my passage down the birth canal and die, rather than be born into the family I was headed for. In my life, whenever I'm faced with impossible circumstances, I do the same thing - withhold, rebel, feel like it would be better to die. There's almost always something external dragging me along - like a symbolic forceps!

I think there are degrees to how a person comes in, and it is not only the physical birth which is described, but the social & emotional environment also, as well as the (often private) attitides of the parents.

For instance, when my small grandson was born, his mother wanted him, while his father didn't - he has Gemini rising, and his birth was quite protracted. Now, almost 4 years later, the tables are reversed - his father wants him, but his mother is finding her role to be too hard.

I'm wondering - and this is only an idea at this stage - about the role of the moon's south node in adding to the nature of the ascendant/birth process. For instance, I have Moon's south node in Scorpio, which describes struggle and strife in one's `past', so perhaps this impacted on my expectations during my birth. Oh, and my mother already had 3 young children, and so was not overjoyed to be having another child - which was pretty obvious during my childhood, even though she tried to hide it.

With my children, #1 birth was easy and quick - Virgo rising - and the second was less easy - Scorpio rising - but Saturn was conj my natal Pluto (almost exactly) as he was born.

I don't think anything definitive has been decided on this thread, but it is interesting all the same.

I'm of the belief that the ascendant and the 12th and 1st house planets as important in relation to describing circumstances before, during and after birth. I also believe that the birth of a child - and so describing it in astrological terms - is about more than just the child and the mother. There's a whole resonance which reverberates sometimes back through many generations. I was fascinated by the story Yoi told about His(her?) birth in China. I think that his/her chart may be quite interesting, but I have no idea in which way.

[iwonder]

I read that 1st house, and Asc in particular, may describe not only how we appear, meaning how we look, but how we literally appeared into the world.

Have you seen charts of people who were born under unusual circumstances and what in their chart could indicate it?

For example, I know a lady who was born in an ambulance vehicle. I am not totally sure about exact time of her birth (I have about a 1 hour interval), but there is a good chance her Moon is exactly on Asc opposed by Uranus on DC. According to the story, her mother didn't rush to the hospital as she felt the contractions, thinking she had time, but then things went so fast, they couldn't even make it to the hospital. I guess there must be something in this lady's chart that shows birth on-the-go (Mercury aspecting Asc, or 3rd house ruler involvement), but I can't say yet as I don't know the exact time.

Do you know any stories?

[Arian Maverick]

Members shared some interesting stories in the thread how is your Ascendant and how were you born? (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5569). Perhaps you can ask a moderator to merge the two threads, so this post appears there. :wink:

I described how I broke the fetal monitor with my birth! :biggrin:

Arian Maverick

[Shokk]

Hehe, I've got Chiron in the first, Born by C-section (a wound of sorts, I guess).
Although I doubt that's a universal placement for people born by c-section.

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I will see if I can merge this.:)

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OK, I merged Jagtoile's thread with Iwonders thread so we got the same subject all in one thread! Actually an interesting thread. I dont think I participated in this in the past.

I do think that you can sometimes see, if circumstances are very traumatic, what happened during birth. My mother and myself almost died when I was born and I had to be pulled out (forcepts you call this?). My shoulders were way wider than my head!! It was a very difficult birth for my mother and in my chart you see Moon square Pluto and opposed to the Sun, as well as Chiron in the 12th. I cannot say of course if this really shows such a birth, but by asking clients when you see really difficult aspects, especially with the planets Pluto, Neptune and Uranus involved, you might get an answer as to the circumstances at birth.

[gimzo23]

I have Saturn rising in the 1st conjunct Mercury, and Sun as ascendant ruler in the 12th. My mother almost bled to death some time after birth, because they almost failed to timely recognize that there was something wrong with her. She suspects that the doctor may have caused some internal injury as he was pressing and acting very furiously and possibly inadequately somehow (I would have to ask her for the details). But losing blood, could that be attributed to Saturn, like in drying out? Saturn rising can cause difficult births I've read. And with the hidden ascendant ruler Sun in the 12th, could that be why they almost missed to timely recognize that there was something wrong? There must have been something going on in her chart, too though, I guess.

As for interesting birth circumstances. Just when my mother was giving birth to my sister, a lightning hit the hospital or a nearby building and all the lights went out and all went black for a short while, while they were screaming to keep on pressing and stuff, before they were able to put on the emergency lighting. :surprised: Not sure where to look for that in the chart, but she has a big 5 planet stellium in the 8th with both luminaries, the ascendant ruler and 2 other planets. So I guess it must be something about the 8th house there.

[iwonder]

As for interesting birth circumstances. Just when my mother was giving birth to my sister, a lightning hit the hospital or a nearby building and all the lights went out and all went black for a short while, while they were screaming to keep on pressing and stuff, before they were able to put on the emergency lighting. :surprised: Not sure where to look for that in the chart, but she has a big 5 planet stellium in the 8th with both luminaries, the ascendant ruler and 2 other planets. So I guess it must be something about the 8th house there.

Lightning must be Uranus (electricity).

Well, also in ancient myths Zeus (or Jupiter in Rome) was throwing lightnings left and right. I don't know if that applies though :)

[gimzo23]

Lightning must be Uranus (electricity).

Well, also in ancient myths Zeus (or Jupiter in Rome) was throwing lightnings left and right. I don't know if that applies though :)

I see. Well she does have her Uranus conjunct her Ascendant. Although it's already in the 12th and with a 7+ degree orb. But her Uranus trines her stellium in the 8th, including her ascendant ruler. Maybe it can be seen from that. Quite interesting at any rate.