View Full Version : Why is it all readings are negative?
04-26-2007, 02:56 AM
It makes me think why even bother being part of this forum?? One can say, oh, if you have to ask, then its doomed so then what's the purpose of this forum?? To ultimately give negatively to others?
04-26-2007, 04:12 AM
I found it necessary to remove this post, as it was in the relationship horary section where it doesn't belong, and as this is not a horary question, but an inquiry pertaining to the subject of horary in general, so it has been transported to this relevant section for inquiries of this nature. ;)
You have asked an interesting question, and I have been waiting for the opportunity to discuss this.
I believe that you are questioning why it is, that in horary, more often than not, it seems that the querent is not getting the happy answer they are looking for. If you are seeking only happy answers, it is advisable not to inquire of horary, but to have a natal analysis from asteroid loving types who will praise you no end about how none of your problems are your fault, how your parents ******* you up, what a perfectly flawless and wonderful person you are and how nobody understands you. :p
In my understanding, there are two main reasons as to why horary often doesn't give the happy answer you are hoping for, but as I said, wanting your heart warmed or your ego stroked isn't the best motivation for a horary question.
Firstly, when a person consults horary, they are usually in a less than happy circumstance, people tend not to ask horaries when life is peachy.
For example, she who asks, 'Does he really love me?', demonstrates something to us for the fact that she has asked that question in the first place. First of all, the fact that she has needed to ask it, shows that it is perhaps more than fifty percent likely that he doesn't, otherwise she wouldn't be needing to ask. So we need a rather strong testimony to suggest that he does indeed love her. So more than fifty percent of the time, he won't.
Secondly, it is the fatalistic attitude that many have in regard to their own existence, in that they think that astrology is a tool by which we can abdicate responsibility for our own lives, and this is especially prevalent in natal astrology when it comes to transits and such.
Allow me to explain. Some people, whether they know it or not, despite how they bang on about 'free-will' all the time (although precious few know what this actually is), are tremendously fatalistic about their lives, others are seeking to attain their destiny, and astrology can help us do this. Deciding to do this and finding out how to go about it, is what free-will is all about, not deciding what to have for breakfast, or deciding what colour knickers to put on today.
The person who asks 'Will I be rich?' is fatalistic. The chart will only say yes or no, and as they are so fatalistic in their mindset, it will probably say no, as successful people do not ask such questions of life. If the person was more enlightened, the question would have been, 'What is the best way in which I can attain wealth in this lifetime?'. In this case, the horary cannot help but give us an answer as to how this might be done, even if the chart tells us that this will be extremely difficult indeed for a certain individual, it will still tell us how it can be done, and to what extent, because due to the nature of the question, there is nothing else that can be interpreted from it.
If you find that you are continually getting miserable answers from your horaries, have a think about the nature of the questions you are asking, and what this reveals about your attitude to your life.
Fatalist: 'Will we get married?'
Free-Willer: 'Is it in my best interests to marry this person, and if so, how can I make sure that this happens?'
Fatalist: 'Will I have a succesful job interview?'
Free-Willer: 'Is this job in my best interests, and if so, what can I do to maximise my chances of attaining it?'
Bill Gates is not the richest man on the planet because he sat one day and thought, 'I wonder if I'll ever be rich?', but because he thought, 'I am going to be a rich man and I'm going to find out how to do it!'.
I hope this explains things. :)
04-26-2007, 04:21 AM
Are you referring to the horary questions in particular or the whole forum? Personally i am not a fan of the horary section or it in general as a practice but i havn't noticed this. The people here are generally very helpful and insightful. I would hope you wont let one or two individuals ruin your opinion of this great forum.
I think everyone is uncertain of things at times and maybe a little reassurance can help. The purpose of this section is answers, even if they are sometimes "negative".
Hope this helps somewhat... personally i think it is a great forum and i have met some amazing people.
04-26-2007, 04:55 AM
In astrology, there really is nothing that says "You're doomed!". In a sense, it much more illuminates rather than predicts. I also believe that better questions should be of a "How?" or "Why?" nature, as opposed to "yes/no" questions.
04-26-2007, 07:28 AM
first off, horary charts last only 3-6 months unless time is specified. if someting is flying high, you have no doubts, you dont ask questions. when you doubt, you run a chart. a lot of times it is a negative answer.
it is all about how you interpret astrology. I cannot add anymore to what Draco didnt cover
good post, Draco
04-26-2007, 07:50 AM
Agreed. I generally only find myself making an attempt at applying horary or electional astrology when the times are not exactly going well. In fact, it's usually when some situation or circumstance in my life is bad to the point of unbearable and/or unusually stressing... Which luckily isn't too often! And I tell you, Draco is right, that badness DOES show up in the charts.
04-26-2007, 08:48 AM
I don't think the majority of answers (assuming you are talking about horary) *are* negative. There are many, many examples of charts on this forum where the outcome is ultimately positive; some require more 'work' than others, but the outcome is the same.
What you have to take into consideration is: the planets are moving in the sky continuously, and at certain moments in time they make better configurations than at others.
One of the by-products of becoming intimate with the movements of the stars is that you begin to learn when to draw a chart and when to leave it for awhile. For example, I don't ask questions near New Moons because the answer will always be negative. Even when the planets are in a good place (for example when all the planets are in domicile or exaltation, if that ever happens), a chart can *still* turn out 'negative' because the question being asked is flawed. It really is down to the question, and the intention behind the question.
Getting a 'good' answer (or an answer that one is satisfied with) requires a degree of self-understanding, not just of the question asked, but also what is entailed in the answer. You can still choose to pine after that man who hasn't called you in two months, but it is likely that the chart will also be telling you to take greater pride in yourself and walk away. But it's still up to you to decide which path you will follow.
Draco is absolutely right that if one expects all of life's failings to be rectified by a chart, then one winds up feeling that astrology is pointless, which it's not.
i second pisceansfool's response. i have asked questions during difficult times and have come up with positive results on this forum. i do believe a few make it seem like all is doomed when it isn't; just the interpreter's take on the chart. haven't seen alot of the really knowledgeable posters in awhile but draco is making a BIG comeback and his analyses are always top notch no matter if they are positive or negative. he's been real good at helping when the answer is negative in explaning why which makes it easier to swallow. i think if more astrologers took on draco's and radu's approaches as some of the other senior members, you wouldn't feel the way you do; you'd feel it was okay to get a negative answer cause they explain why and don't pound you in the face with the negative or nasty comments--they give it to you realistically. i hope to some day be able to do it like the best of them on the forum; with class and style.
04-26-2007, 10:07 AM
And there is also something to be said for simply *accepting* what the answer is, instead of living in denial of that answer, or asking the same question several times, trying to get the answer you *want* rather than the answer that is given. Some people, usually those who feel that astrology will somehow affirm and support their lack of responsibility for their own lives, take umbrage with the messenger, instead of looking at the heart of the message, which is ALWAYS about self-responsibility. One of the indicators of emotional health and maturity is being able to deal with 'negative' answers, and make them a positive force in your life.
04-26-2007, 05:20 PM
I subscribe what everyone else said to this point,and I think Draco made an excellent post on this.I was often confronted with all sorts of negative answers,mainly about love matters,not from people on this forum but from my own interpretations of the charts I casted,but I just had to suck it up and accept things as they were.I tend to see life with my "green coloured sunglasses"on,so to speak,so of course I don't really like when the chart in front of me tells me that things are much darker than I thought...The truth is,a horary chart won't give you the answer you want,it will give you the real answer.The question is:do you want the real answer?Also,keep in mind that astrologers aren't making up the answer themselves..the chart you casted holds the answer and they're just interpreting it for you.
04-26-2007, 11:07 PM
I think, when things are seen as 'bad', it just means that particular path is blocked for some reason, and the reason may probably for be for the ultimate good anyway. It may be a temporary block, that will be difficult to overcome, but in overcoming you will become a stronger, more evolved person, or it may be a permanent block. These negative things are here to help us grow, if we can learn how to use the positive things that do also exist. It is frustrating when you want to see the outcome you want but find it blocked, but there is a reason for this, maybe to lead you to a better path...
04-27-2007, 12:03 AM
Neptune is absolutely right. I would like to add something
when we are looking at transits, things do not move without 8th harmonic aspect which is 99.9% are stressful.
it does not mean that if you have a stressful transit going on that it brings negative events into your life.
Opposition brings other people into your life.
Square creates conflic within yourself
conjunctions sometimes play both roles at the same time other peopel or/and yourself
what kind of an outcome you get from a transit, that is descrbibed by trine or a sextile from other planets to your planets that are creating stressful aspect.
Some aspects do not even generate any events.
i dont freak out when i see a stressful aspect. I always look at them as a sign of a change.
04-27-2007, 12:32 AM
I don't know, maybe it's like other divination as well, where you must really clear your mind and not focus on the answer but the question. I've read several books on divination where it says that sometimes people tend to be unconsciously negative and influence their answers toward a negative outcome.
04-27-2007, 08:40 AM
sometimes people tend to be unconsciously negative and influence their answers toward a negative outcome.
This can certainly be true for other methods of divination, but not horary. Horary charts show nothing but *what is*. If you are feeling badly about yourself when you ask a question, the chart will show this. If another person doesn't like you, it will show this. If you are wasting your time on a fruitless pursuit, it will show this.
As I've said on other posts: horary charts are smart. They don't seem to 'care' one way or another about your feelings or insecurities; they only show that these dispositions exist at the time of the question, which is why it isn't an especially good idea for people who have difficulty with harsh truths, to cast charts for themselves, as they generally have trouble accepting the answers, or assume that the answer must be wrong because they (the querent) find the suggestion that they are insecure, offensive.. If you cast a horary chart, you have to be absolutely prepared to be told something you might not like, but is true.
There isn't any sort of 'influencing' going on when a horary chart is cast, as we can't influence the stars and planets; it's the other way around! :p
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