Dignity by house not sign

[Blandy]

Hi Everyone,
I was wondering about dignity accidental, and mutual reception by house, not by sign.
I was wondering if this even real or relevant to the world of horary and astrology, say Moon is in the 9th house Natural house of Jupiter, and Jupiter is in the fourth house Natural house of Cancer, but they're both in different sings, but in eachothers natural houses.
Thanks
Blandy

[archergirl]

Hi Blandy,

Sometimes yes. There usually has to be some *direct* relationship between the planets; the dignity only applies to the planet *in that house*, so a planet placed in an angular house will be dignified by being in that house. It doesn't necessarily give dignity to the *ruler* of that house; sometimes it's quite the opposite, as the actual planet can be retrograde, peregrine, void of course, etc.

Reception also usually has to be of a direct nature, and not by house only, although there is something called 'liberality', which confers the kind of reception you are speaking of, by house. The house will give you the parameters of the query; the planets give you the relationship between the players. However, there *is* some debate about this (liberality), I believe. Probably the best way to find out is to try and test it!

Here's a good article on reception.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/reception.html

Best,
AG:)

[astro.teacher]

Accidental Dignities are very relevant. Essential Dignities show us the main power of the Planet placed in that Sign, the Accidental dignities (where they happen to fall unpredictably) show us how much power that Planet receives where he falls. They both absolutely need to be analyzed. I offer a few treatise concerning the specific dignities in my new members section of my website. It goes through each of the dignitie and explains not only their purpose but history & etc.

http://antiquus.50webs.com/Treatise.html

[Lissa]

I have no idea about the mutual reception part,but I remember I once read somewhere that essential dignity/debility show the planet's quality,while accidental dignities/debilities show the the way they express their qualities.

If,for example,on a horary question concerning a partner(7th house),the partner is signified by Mars and Mars is in Taurus(essential debility)but in the8th house(it's natural house:accidental dignity),I usually take it as a non-reliable,dangerous partner who has much power in the situation.This is just an example of how I look at accidental and essential dbeilities/dignities in horary.

[Draco]

Hi Blandy.

You're very inquisitive lately. :)

You're right about the ruler of the ninth being Jupiter, but not via an association with Sagittarius.

The comparison of signs to houses is intended for medical astrology, and the comparison is made via the human body and it's ailments, where a system of twenty-four variables gives considerably more scope than twelve. However, the comparison pretty much ends here, but it has been blown out of all proportion.

Chaldean rulerships give us Saturn as the natural ruler of the eighth, not Mars.

If we refer this to the fleeting comparison we might infer between planets and signs, the antique attribution of Saturn to the eighth, makes the Scorpio/Saturn connection with death and not sex, much clearer. Venus/Leo would be the fifth, as the fifth is the rulership and joy of Venus.

I wouldn't make too much of a meal however, of correlating the signs with the houses, Leo is a barren sign, the fifth the house of fertility!

However, in medical astrology, Leo is the heart, and the fifth is too (house of love), but such correlations start and end in the medical sphere.

This what I mean about such a tight, stringent correlation of house = sign = planet, which has got out of hand.

Considering mutual reception by house and not by sign would not be conventional horary practice, however, it's an interesting idea, so why not give it a try.

For the record, the traditional rulers of the houses, and their 'joys' in brackets (or parentheses).

1 - Saturn (Mercury).
2 - Jupiter.
3 - Mars (Moon).
4 - Sun.
5 - Venus (Venus).
6 - Mercury (Mars).
7 - Moon.
8 - Saturn.
9 - Jupiter (Sun).
10 - Mars.
11 - Sun (Jupiter).
12 - Venus (Saturn).

To put it another way:

Saturn - 1 & 8 (12)
Jupiter - 2 & 9 (11)
Mars - 3 & 10 (6)
Sun - 4 & 11 (9)
Venus - 5 & 12 (5)
Mercury - 6 (1)
Moon - 7 (3)

It pays dividends to give this system some serious contemplation, have a think about it, it'll enlighten you. Placing this set of rulerships in a circular arrangement, is more of an eye-opener. ;)

[Night Sky]

I like the idea of a mutual reception my house, to me this makes sense, but on the other hand, i think that there is a differentiation to be made between house and sign.

I have a proposition: Give me the difference between Mars in Aries in a weak house weakly aspected, say in the 12 or 6th. Is he stronger than a Virgo Mars or Pisces Mars Conjunct the Ascendant in the 1st house?

In the first case Mars is Essentially dignified. Mars will be muscular, fast, well made. But what i am asking here, is that this planet might just be wasted or not represented in traditionally weak houses.

In the second part a planet in its fall or detriment might be accidentally strong by other means.

Just some ideas and questions on my part at the moment.