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Arian Maverick
04-19-2007, 08:53 PM
With the upcoming release of the seventh and final book of the Harry Potter series, the question that has been most heavily on fans' minds is that of the character Severus Snape's innocence. Now, I have been idly speculating since I finished reading the shocking conclusion of The Half-Blood Prince, and although my reasoning may be tainted by denial and disbelief that a character whom I had trusted had murdered the greatest wizard of all time, I still firmly believe in Snape's innocence. Several minutes ago I received an e-mail from Borders containing a link to an excerpt from The Great Snape Debate (http://www.bordersmedia.com/features/pages/greatsnapedebate.asp), which greatly fueled my desire to know if my suspicions are correct. I have absolutely no idea how to delineate a horary chart in which the quesited is not an actual human being, so this chart may be useless, but I thought if nothing else it may prove to be an interesting exercise. And we can always return to this thread when the book is released and the answers to our questions become known.

Here is the chart:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5396/issnapeinnocenthorarychca9.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Since I am not quite sure where else to start, I will begin by identifying my significator and looking for clues within the chart that indicate my belief in a fictional character's innocence. Virgo is rising, and its ruler Mercury is located in Aries conjunct the eighth house cusp. I believe it is significant that my much of my natal Aries stellium (Sun, Venus, and Mercury) is located between 15 Aries 36" and 16 Aries 31", so Mercury is tightly applying towards a conjunction with each of these natal planets. Mercury is involved in a Fire Trine with retrograde Jupiter in Sagittarius conjunct the Nadir and retrograde Saturn in Leo in the eleventh house; although it is not combust, I believe Mercury is still within the beams of the Sun. I am none too familiar with the influence of such planets within a horary chart, yet it seems plausible that such a condition may blind me from the truth of Severus Snape's possible guilt. Now, what other planetary placements indicate my belief in his innocense? Jupiter, the Great Benefic, conjunct the Nadir, perhaps? If only I could determine Snape's significator...Does anyone have any ideas?

EDIT: I just realized that perhaps I should use Jupiter as the ruler of the Descendant to signify since he is the quesited, but I still do not wish to follow with interpretation in case there is a better significator for him. Pisces is not the first sign I associate Snape with, but I believe he may be revealed as a martyr by the end of the series since it does not seem likely to me that he will survive...

EDIT 2: This is a bit spooky, but according to the January 9 birthday that JK Rowling gave for this character and experimenting with a possible year of birth of 1958 (based upon events in canon), Severus Snape, if he existed, would be experiencing his Chiron Return right about now; the horary chart Chiron makes an extremely tight conjunction with the Chiron for the natal chart I created for him...

Arian Maverick

Kaiousei no Senshi
04-19-2007, 09:24 PM
It may have been easier to ask it in the form of a rumor. Something like: "Is the rumor that Snape is innocent of his supposed actions in the Half-Blood Prince true?" This way it can be judged using the "rumor rules" and take out a bunch of guess work. However, it may be possible to use this chart you've provived and delinate it in rumor fashion.

By the way, Beth, he's guilty!!! Deal with it!! :p

AquarianEssence
04-20-2007, 12:28 AM
Well I don't see how the answer could be anything but yes. I'm sure the 7th would be the one you're asking about and is in the house of defendant or plaintiff. I guess the traditional rules makes the 7th the defendant but that doesn't really make sense to me on some charts I've looked at. Anyway, giving him the 7th, his ruler is dignified, about to conjunct his 10th, going public and is trine Mercury for his next major aspect, who's keeping that grand trine alive. Mercury is in the sign of freedom and rules the 4th of 7th, end of matters. (Gemini, does he have an evil twin, LOL) I hope we aren't ruining the suspense for all the Harry Potter lovers out there. ;)

Arian Maverick
07-24-2007, 01:23 AM
Well, it seems like Book 7 has answered my question, but I don't want to confirm or deny the accuracy of this horary chart until I give others a chance to read the book :cool:

Arian Maverick

tikana
07-24-2007, 02:21 AM
i dont think this chart is valid.. you cannot judge a chart when the focus of a question is fictional.

Tik

flea
07-24-2007, 05:45 AM
I was wondering though aren't you just asking whether JK Rowling has made this decision or that one, which is what many Horaries are about.

Just a thought Tik

Love Light and Peace
Flea

tikana
07-24-2007, 05:47 AM
Flea

good point but i am not sure.. the character could not make up its mind because the author made that decision for that character

cheers
Tik

flea
07-24-2007, 05:52 AM
Maybe the character is not the subject but the object and it is to the author that the horary is to be directed??

LLP
Flea

tikana
07-24-2007, 06:24 AM
Flea

I was thinking along those lines

sorta kinda ask

"did Rowling exonorate Snape?" that owuld be valid then it is 7th and quality and aspects of her derived 5th house.

Tik

Liquid Green
12-30-2007, 09:31 AM
Dont tell us the answer arian.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....I am only up to the 5th book.....having a three year old, doesnt allow me to read the books, start to finish without putting them down........ i did a marathon reading the first 4 whilst on holiday in Thailand.......the only way to read them i reckon! (i did sleep between books!)

amusing post and answers though i must say!:D

tikana
12-30-2007, 12:05 PM
LG

Snape is innocent

lol
Tik

athan
12-30-2007, 05:13 PM
Anyone wearing black is innocent!!!!

and as far as fictional or real is concerned I think that the chart is valid since the considerations for a horary are there (chart is radical,saturn is not in1/7H,moon is not in via combusta and is about to form a ptolemaic aspect)and more over since the question is whether SNAPE is innocent so he is 7 House Pisces that is, you can derive that the object has a piscean quality (movie star, not real in a way... a witch maybe).So i believe the chart is trustworthy. and I repeat:

people wearing black are innocent

cheers to all

Moulin
12-30-2007, 07:47 PM
you think so Athan? I only wear black (and jean colour)
Anyone wearing black is innocent!!!!

and as far as fictional or real is concerned I think that the chart is valid since the considerations for a horary are there (chart is radical,saturn is not in1/7H,moon is not in via combusta and is about to form a ptolemaic aspect)and more over since the question is whether SNAPE is innocent so he is 7 House Pisces that is, you can derive that the object has a piscean quality (movie star, not real in a way... a witch maybe).So i believe the chart is trustworthy. and I repeat:

people wearing black are innocent

cheers to all

Liquid Green
12-30-2007, 08:05 PM
Tik......dont say anymore or iw ill have to Gag you! ;)

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

tikana
12-30-2007, 08:07 PM
Moulin

no worries.. i havent read 1 page of Harry potter

Tik

Happy New Year!!!!!!

Moulin
12-30-2007, 09:20 PM
me neither!!! Happy New Year to you too!!! :)

Moulin

no worries.. i havent read 1 page of Harry potter

Tik

Happy New Year!!!!!!

athan
01-03-2008, 05:13 PM
you think so Athan? I only wear black (and jean colour)

there you have the proof!!!
Moulin and Snape are innocent!!!!! :D

lol

cheers