Transits for Indigos

[Pisceanfool]

Hello Indigos and others,

I was noticing how strong the transits are for the Sagitarian energy and how they will then proceed to Capricorn. Both of these signs contain the outer planets (except Pluto) for the new batch of indigos (late 80's early 90's). Pluto has been going over everyone's Uranus who has it at the end of Sag. and the two of them together are a potent combo of change. Pluto is now going retrograde getting a triple dose of change for at least me and others born around me this year as it touches the last few degrees of Sag several times. At the same time we got Saturn trining natal position and going retrograde as well touching the mid Sag. degrees several times as well. Then... we got chiron trining Mid gemini which is my natal, and is also near my asc. PLUS we get Jupiter moving along and also retrograding over my Saturn. Uranus slowly moves down through pisces so all the supposed "evolved" placements will receive changes as well.

I hear the Indigos have a latent potential if they manage to make it to later in thier life without going crazy or completly alienating themselves or worse. Anyway, anyone else notice a huge change in perspective and a serious search for universal knowledge? Astro Dienist refers to the Pluto/Uranus conj as "wise beyond your years" and if i am in fact correct with my view of the universe then i am pretty beyond my time. My mom actually calls me her teacher lol; for she is starting to get into all this "new age" stuff. As i read about alot of the laws of the universe accourding to "The Kybalion (http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.asp?chapter=intro)" and many other sources i feel as if i already knew it. So slowly the feeling of not being comfortable in my own body (may seem strange to some) starts to dissolve and i feel content in walking this old familiar path. At the same time the whole spiritual awakening can be very painful and challenging. Here are some symptoms (http://www.sunfell.com/symptoms.htm) you guys may feel.(BTW sunfell.com/indigo is a good place to go if you think you're an Indigo)

So anyway I am wondering how other Indigos are feeling during this time. Have you noticed strange "gifts" your not quite sure exist objectivly? I have also noticed some people comeing on here like they know all the laws and understand the universe. While much of what we say is true most all "truths" are half-truths really and to fully grasp and intelligently apply the laws one must make a lifetime commitment. It has takin a LONG time to get to where we are and possibly a long time untill we ascend. So this goes for me as well, don't get too dogmatic about your knowledge and be ready to learn... always. Untill the end of this Pluto transit i doubt we will fully grasp everything. The trouble here is integrating this into regular life...

Any thoughts?

[flea]

Hi Pisceanfool,

I am likely an early indigo, I seem to fit the patterns that sites describe. I have the natal Pluto/Uranus conjunction which sextiles Neptune and tightly squares my sun, also the conjunction forms kite with my moon and chiron and neptune.

It is a difficult conjunction to be so closely connected to the lights I think and I have had to learn some very difficult lessons. Yet recently I keep meeting people who on a similar wavelength to me, this really feels synchronistic.

Transiting pluto conjuncted my sun at the same time squaring natal pluto, that was a bumpy ride. Things are more relaxed now, even though pluto is now hovering around my descendent and neptune on my midheaven.
I have heard the descrption of postmodernism as not a new way of looking at the world, that is yet to come. pm is a process of questioning all that has gone before. To do this successfully the more open minded we can be the more interesting it becomes. This idea of philosophy seems to tie in with your ideas of questioning the structure of the status quo.

For sure Pixie I think that the sacred feminine has long been disregarded in religion but those old religions of goddess worship are coming back in vogue. But maybe we had to do a rebalancing of too much feminine and over a few thousand years it swung the other way.

Dualist goodies baddies scenarios are now being seen as psychological projections of one sides inner self onto the other and visa versa. The change has got to be internal first before it can be manifested in the physical possibly.

love & light
Flea

[tikana]

i did a research on finding indigos and who are possibly are indigos.. To be honest, nothing solid from what i saw. You said that " I have the natal Pluto/Uranus conjunction which sextiles Neptune and tightly squares my sun, also the conjunction forms kite with my moon and chiron and neptune."
i hate rain on your parade but everyone who was born within a few hours from you due fast moving moon would be considered as "indigo" according to your theory. Indigos are EXTREMLY EXTREMLY rare. the common description of indigos can be applied to everyone.
http://www.childrenlights.com/Articles/the_children.htm

you will have a hard time finding children who do not like animals. The definition is vague. I would say that Mozart was indigo ... check this kid out ..
http://timidity.org/writing/fiveyearoldgenius.htm
there was a 5 year old painter i forgot her name... some kids are simply amazing.

but i can tell you one thing that they all share. They do not need people to feed them with informatrion. pretty much all of them need a little start up and they go on their own. they crave knowledge vs popularity. they dont socialize much. They are intraverted.

Cheers
Tik

[flea]

There is a lot of information out there to be researched on Indigos. I do not think it is an area very many people have a true understanding of. My astrological comments are purely to note that my chart has some features consistent with the previous posts. However I am not in mind of proving anything here, merely entertaining discussion. It is very possibly a mistake to make any direct behavioural descriptions of Indigo as I believe it is a resonance that is experienced rather than analysed.

Indigos have a purpose, that is why they are here. Finding that purpose is worthy of long and pleasant discussion.

Love & Light
Flea

[Arian Maverick]

I personally do not believe that indigo children are the same as child prodigies, although both sets of children can certainly display extraordinary talents. And besides, labels are not important in the larger scheme of life; what good are child prodigies if they do nothing but bask in the admiration of their own genius? Will their inborn abilities truly make the world a better place if they are unable to effectively apply them? But this is a discussion for another thread...

Arian Maverick

[flea]

I suppose each generation is experiencing slightly different contacts between the outer planets. I wonder if there are some similar themes running through all of the current transiting aspects.

I am coming up to Uranus opposing the pluto/uranus conjunction so that may mean a real stirring up of the mid sixties generation. The Uranus opposition is the midlife crisis, so add Pluto into the mixture and it will be interesting to watch what changes people in the early 40 age group. Revolutionary unexpected things could be happening.

Maybe this will effect the idea of ego, producing some deep psychological changes in the people who are now stepping up to take power in government business education etc etc.

I would also like to ask people how much relevance they place on straightout psychic ability as opposed to a heart based personality structure and how this maybe effected by the transits.

love & light
Flea

[flea]

Transits of Uranus Neptune and Pluto to my natal Sun and Neptune, all conincided with major unheavals and changes in my life. You could say life changing events.

L&L

[Pisceanfool]

i did a research on finding indigos and who are possibly are indigos.. To be honest, nothing solid from what i saw. You said that " I have the natal Pluto/Uranus conjunction which sextiles Neptune and tightly squares my sun, also the conjunction forms kite with my moon and chiron and neptune."
i hate rain on your parade but everyone who was born within a few hours from you due fast moving moon would be considered as "indigo" according to your theory. Indigos are EXTREMLY EXTREMLY rare. the common description of indigos can be applied to everyone.
http://www.childrenlights.com/Articles/the_children.htm

you will have a hard time finding children who do not like animals. The definition is vague. I would say that Mozart was indigo ... check this kid out ..
http://timidity.org/writing/fiveyearoldgenius.htm
there was a 5 year old painter i forgot her name... some kids are simply amazing.

but i can tell you one thing that they all share. They do not need people to feed them with informatrion. pretty much all of them need a little start up and they go on their own. they crave knowledge vs popularity. they dont socialize much. They are intraverted.

Cheers
Tik

Yes many people are born constantly and they have the same planet placements but not everyone born around the same time is necessarily the same. I mean really do you always identify with EVERY word of aspect/placement descriptions? Flea uses this energy in a way that resembles the indigo mentality. Supposedly(accourding to my mom who has read several books on the Indigos) there have always been them as long as souls were evolved enough. Just that now they are a much more common occurance. A reoccuring theme is the latent potential in the indigos. In this society some of the ideas they have are not quite on key with the general public and are somtimes suppressed. Also many of you know they struggle with depression, anxeity, "ADD", and a whole list of issues until they find thier gifts and thier path. There are lots of theories on why this may be but it seems to be common. The point is no they are defintly not generally considered child prodigees.

I have been very hesitant to say i'm an Indigo for a long time, ever since my mom was telling me i was. She would open the book at says she keeps reading things and thinking of me. Eventually i found the Sunfell site, and as written on another post I cried and got goosebumps and chills. Much of what i read gave me flashes back to parts of my chart. After alof of thinking and research i have come to the conclusion i must be an Indigo or something close... one of the "curious rational" types. The planets alone cannot show being a supposed "Indigo". The term was developed due to aura frequency so anyone could have an Indigo prominent aura if they were on the right brain waves. It's really a perspective and personality. Like AM said labels are not even important, it just gives the Indigos some hope that some other people actually think the way we do. This is all i have time for i hope we can continue to discuss whatever i don't really mind if this gets off topic.

[tikana]

Hi

I have a problem with INDIGO label altogether

Indigo color is the color on the spectrum between about 450 and 420 nanometers in wavelength which is invisible to a naked eye.
green color which is the most common color is 520–570 nm.

There is no verifiable evidence to support "indigo definition" claims. We have 1 method that supposevly identifies you with a certain color and nothing else to cross match the findings.

Indigo children were first described in the 1970's by a San Diego parapsychologist, Nancy Ann Tappe, who noticed the emergence of children with an indigo aura, a vibrational color she had never seen before. Well, remember 1970s? era of cocaine, LSD and etc?

And dont forget that the aura is measured by highly contraversial Kirlian photography. Other than Kirlian photography, we have nothing to cross match aura measuring methods. I want to see a scientific proof of this indigo phoenonenon.
In 1939, Semyon Kirlian discovered by accident that if an object on a photographic plate is subjected to a high-voltage electric field, an image is created on the plate. The image looks like a colored halo or coronal discharge. This image is said to be a physical manifestation of the spiritual aura or "life force" which allegedly surrounds each living thing. YEAh of course,each living thing contains water. if you put any kind of energy generating element through water, you will see a color change. take a look at our ocean. water has no color, which makes it suseptable in adapting colors under the right conditions.

I loved what Russell Barkley said "There's no science behind it. There are no studies."
To skeptics the concept of indigo children belongs in the realm of wishful thinking and New Age credulity. He also said that"All of us would prefer not to have our kids labeled with a psychiatric disorder, but in this case it's a sham diagnosis," Russell Barkley, a research professor of psychiatry at the State University of New York Upstate Medical University in Syracuse.

take a look at this gal
Parapsychologist Thelma Moss popularized Kirlian photography as a diagnostic medical tool with her books The Body Electric (1979) and The Probability of the Impossible (1983). She was convinced that the Kirlian process was an open door to the "bioenergy" of the astral body
She experimented with and praised the effects of LSD and was in and out of therapy for a variety of psychological problems, but managed to overcome her personal travails and become a professor at UCLA’s Neuropsychiatric Institute. Ohh great, we are relying on LSD addict to get indigo children term approved and researched? COME ON!

i am seriously not buying this. I wonder what color of aura Hitler had.

cheers
Tik

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

My problem isn't so much with the label itself as it is with the whole idea. Certainly, Indigo does seem an attractive name, I mean, who doesn't love a lovely shade of blue-ish purple? Wether or not this is the color of my aura, I do not know. I've never had anyone associate me or anyone else I know as a color, just feelings we project. I am generally on the side of the Indigo argument which says the new "emergence" of the "Indigo spirits" is simply the foreseeable reaction of children being raised by more New Age believing parents and being introduced to metaphysical ideas at young ages. Evolve this into the teen years that I and other supposed Indigos may be in right now and we find us interested in astrology and other such metaphysical and (dare I say it) esoteric subjects.
Welcome to the power of the internet which can bring information regarding our mystical wonderings to us with just the pressing of the enter key... Imagine how people would have come across such knowledge in past ages. That's right, the grand majority wouldn't have.

[tsquare]

I looked at the indigo stuff and had alot of the "symptoms" growing up but
that alone doesnt tell me anything.
I have to know my own purpose and not find one based on symptoms alone or just a theory.
I wouldn't rule it out, indigo, as fact but there isnt enough known yet.
At least for me self evident wise.
I dont like it.
I do change my though Im not fixed on this.
Astrologically I dont know what I could do with it.
Im not a big fan of scientific FACT either.

Pisceanfool
So this goes for me as well, don't get too dogmatic about your knowledge and be ready to learn.
I absolutely agree, the hubris trap stops spirtual progression dead cold, and its an extremely easy one too fall into. It makes you feel that others dont exist any longer and their source of knowledge is nonexistent. Which may actually happen to someone too. I also feel that if someone has knowledge they shouldnt hold back on sharing it as long as they don't expect everyone too agree wholeheartedly with them. And he better know that they wont too. Theres a gradiant to truth(whatever truth is) and too much truth spins people in. Everyone needs to be able to bring it into their own universe and experience truth for themselves, or else they have no reality on it. What you know you can apply, whatever you know about, your doomed with.
Their is alot of know about in society today. Information ***** when its expected to be taken only as its granted without observation. Alot of people do this, It scares me. Its how wars start.
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More comunication not less-Tsquare

[flea]

Tik,

If you are uncomfortable with the terms and stories of Indigo, there is reasons for that, trust it. You are to be respected for the amount of research you had done in this area, given your misgivings. I think we can all learn from that.

There is a Harvar Med Prof who did some really interesting research on subtle energy around the 1950's I think not sure, called Harold Saxton-Burr. You may find his work interesting.

love & light
Flea

[FlyAway]

Perhaps an interesting horary question: do Indigo's exist yes/no ;)

I asked two aura readers, who can see auras and don't use Kirlian photography,
if Indigo children really have a different aura than other children.
And they said: spiritual and highly sensitive people always have something blueish in their aura.
It doesn't prove they're Indigo's, but they might have some Indigo traits, like a higher spiritual awareness.

I'm also not fond of labeling, and I also have my doubts if the Indigo generation really exists.
But I believe in an evolutionary sort of change, that genetics change, that bone structures change and the way we use our brain.
And that these changes, no matter how subtle, are also happening right now.
Perhaps they were also happening 200 years ago, but these changes become more visible right now and in the next hundred years.
So it might be possible that some people are already a bit new, and these people can be a new generation,
the forefathers of a new human species, more developed, more intelligent, more aware.
Even scientists won't deny that, although they can explain this better than I do :rolleyes:

The problem with the Indigo/New Age/Aquarian generation is that there is a ideological theory behind it.
It sounds too romantic to be true, and that's also the reason that I take this whole theory with a grain of salt.
But since I have a lot of traits Indigo's also have and partly a blueish aura :D,
I can't say that everything said about Indigos is a load of @#$%.

From an astrological point of view I wonder: does this Indigo Generation exist?
And what kind of constellations might indicate if you're an Indigo or not?
I bet Uranus has to be involved.
Since Uranus is such a slow moving planet, it means that whole generations are influenced by his weird ways.
But if an whole generation is influenced that doesn't always mean that everyone who was born within this generation acts like that.
Because I act out my Sun squaring Uranus, but a close friend of mine doesn't.
And I guess that's the same thing for any other possible Indigo constellation or transit.

[Lissa]

I'm totally with FlyAway and Kaiousei in this one.In fact,I think FlyAway's idea of a horary question about the existence of Indigo children is a really good idea,and I don't mind posting the chart and asking the question myself if no one wants to give it a go.

I'm also doubtful about the Indigo generation thing,not to mention I hate the labeling as well.I'm not doubting there are some people out there with extraordinary psychic gifts and an incredibly accurate intuition,although I personally don't know anyone with characteristics as such.Not to mention,there are lots of people born around the same time,and people have different ways of dealing with the energies in their charts.

I was born in 1991,under the Uranus-Neptune conjunction and the Neptune sextile Pluto as well;just one year before,Saturn in Capricorn and Jupiter in Cancer were also involved in the mix,I believe,although I'm not sure if Saturn conjuncted Uranus and Neptune in 1990.Although there's still a lot of confusion regarding astrological configurations for indigo children,some of my friends have some pretty interesting aspects with these outer planets,like a friend of mine with both a Kite and a Mystic Rectangle involving his Cancer Sun opposite Uranus/Neptune,his Taurus Moon opposite Pluto and his Virgo Ascendant,or my ex-boyfriend with a 0º13' Sun-Neptune square.Curious that none of my peers has astounishing intuitive or psychic skills;in fact,none of my friends is even interested in astrology or other esoteric subjects.Some of the more intuitive people I know are the ones whose charts don't resemble the Indigo type at all...(by Indigo type,I'm talking about rare configurations involving these outer planets).

[archergirl]

I'm really glad to read that other members of the forum are skeptical about the existence of 'Indigo' people. It's my personal view that it was made up by someone or someones who were looking for a way to distinguish or separate themselves from the 'rest of the world', or by New Age parents who needed some label to give their kids, especially those kids who were more intelligent or challenging to deal with by parents who couldn't be bothered putting in the time; or parents who had nothing better to do but cultivate some sort of 'superkid'. Such pressure on a child!

If you look at the parameters of what 'indigo' is supposed to be, 99.9% of the global population will fit many, if not all, of the characteristics. To *not* have some of these traits, one would have to have the IQ or sensitivity of a potato.

The whole idea of 'indigo', IMHO, is almost contrary to the tenets by which indigos distinguish themselves: if one of the principles of being an indigo child is to have a greater awareness of spirituality than the rest of the populace, then these indigo children would also understand that to label themselves as somehow separate is in absolute contradiction to what spiritual awareness is: that we are all one. It also makes a huge cultural and historical assumption that prior to 1964 or whenever the 'first wave' of indigos were supposedly born, the whole world lived lives of abject ignorance and unenlightenment. This is silly. Da Vinci? Aristotle? Lao Tsu? Jesus? Hello?

If people need a label to outline their definitions of themselves, great, whatever works. I personally was labeled as a gifted child, and by the time I was ten I was already interested in astrology, tarot and Buddhism; but through the ensuing thirty-odd years of life after that label, what I came to realize was that those labels don't amount to doodly-squat, and become more of a burden than something to feel pride in. People should just work on being happy with themselves without any ridiculous labels in which to pigeonhole themselves.

Best wishes,
AG:)

[Lissa]

I think Archergirl made some very good points about how the Indigo thing may be a label people like to wear because it makes them feel different.In fact,I was thinking about it in my post,but I didn't say anything out of fear of hurting someone's feelings;i guess it takes an archer to say what everyone's thinking,but no one can say out loud....:D

I noticed some people like to use their astrological configurations to feel diferent.When people find some kind of unusual aspect configuration with a interesting name,they get too attached to it because it makes them feel different.I know this and I've been through this process myself:there was a time when I desesperatly searched in my chart for unusual aspect configurations with exciting names,but I just had to come clear with the fact that I have a pretty "boring" chart,which doesn't mean I find myself less interesting or intelligent than anyone else.Honestly,we need to come clear with the fact that we're all special and different in our own ways.I'm sure new age parents like to think about their children as having unusual intuitive skills or psychic abilites,but what if they children decide to take a more "earthly" way of life,what's the problem with it?Labeling does nothing for people but restrict their choices,like "people say I'm smart so I'll just study and study and study so hard so people keep thinking good of me".Once again,I know this,for I've lived it.In the last three years,I was one of my school's top students yet,this year,school started getting harder and I found myself experiencing some real hardships with school life,not to mention I'm studying subjects I don't really like.I went from being a straight A student to a regular student,from being the leader to just one in the group,and I have to say some teachers don't like me as much as they liked me in the past when my grades were higher.Still,I like myself as much as I liked before and nothing would please me more if those teachers started apreciating me for other reasons.

Once again,I'm not trying to hurt anyone with this words,and I know I'm going slightly off-topic(I have the feeling this is a discussion for another thread),I'm just trying to express my opinion about how labeling things can make our life harder.Just today,I was reading some stuff about Indigo children,and I have to say the descriptions sounded very vague..not to mention the bit about Indigo children being individualists and resisting authority doesn't sound like a typicall "peace and love" atitude.Honestly,I have nothing against "Indigo people",but I think the definition for Indigo is a little inaccurate..or maybe I'm the only one who doesn't agree with it.I believe the real Indigo people are the ones who have the ability to change the world through love,understanding and compassion.Like I said in my previous post,some people have astounishing intuitive or psychic skills,I'm sure we have people like this on this forum,and I'm sure they don't need the "Indigo" label to assure them they have some extraordinary abilities.It all comes down to the fact that we're all different and special:some of us are great athlethes,some are very sensitive to other's feelings,some are very intuitive,but,in the end,we all have an important role here in Earth.

All the best
Lissa

[archergirl]

That was very well said, Lissa.

I'm sure I'll ruffle some feathers; I've never intended to, but you can't please everyone. :p

I am pretty cynical about the whole thing; in the early 1990s I lived in Seattle and hung out in a New Age store with various astrologers, psychics, and healers. I met some people who felt they were very special indeed and had all sorts of labels for themselves, including Indigo. Most of them couldn't sort out the messes that were their own lives, let alone bring peace and love to the rest of the world. :rolleyes:

Someone once told me,"Yeah, you're really unique. Just like everyone else is." That about sums it up for me. :D

But really, to quote a very fine Beatles' song: whatever gets you to the Light.

Best,
AG:)

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

It also makes a huge cultural and historical assumption that prior to 1964 or whenever the 'first wave' of indigos were supposedly born, the whole world lived lives of abject ignorance and unenlightenment. This is silly. Da Vinci? Aristotle? Lao Tsu? Jesus? Hello?

This is an interesting point that not many people seem to be able to come up with. However, if we could find the astrological...whatever that we can attach to the Indigo-ic state of being or thinking, then this may just be a cycle that's occured several times before. So, you're thinking "Well, Kaiousei, if this might be an astrological cycle, then why haven't any of the earlier astrologers pointed this cycle out to us before now?" Brilliant question, I'm glad you asked. Well, what if it had to do with a planet that wasn't known back then? Ah, brilliant! So, we're left with Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto as our possible sources of...Indigo-ness.
Well, we first have to sit back and think about what goes on as far as these three planets and their orbits. When I was first thinking about this, the first thing that came into my mind was something I learned back in the third grade: Neptune and Pluto switch places, making Neptune the farthest planet from the Sun for so many years. So, I went online to Wikipedia and typed in "Pluto" and read the section on the orbit, and sure enough, it talks about it. In fact, the last switch was quite recent; February 7th, 1979 to February 11th, 1999. Dates sound familiar? This seems to be prime time for the Indigo incarnations in all of the "guess-timations" made by all of the Indigo-knowing people. If this is correct, then we can indeed assume that the Indigo spirits are indeed a cyclic occurance. From 19° Libra to 10° Sagittarius, Pluto was closer to the Sun than Neptune. It's interesting to note that the next sign for Pluto to go into is Capricorn, mundane astrologers seem to predict that this will cause some interesting governmental "re-modeling". Hmmm... Another interesting thing to note is that the time before this one had Neptune as the farthest planet between July 11th, 1735 to September 15th, 1749. You can check any person who played an important part during the American Revolution, and the grand majority of them you will find born during this 1735-1749 Neptune/Pluto switch.

[tikana]

Tik,

If you are uncomfortable with the terms and stories of Indigo, there is reasons for that, trust it. You are to be respected for the amount of research you had done in this area, given your misgivings. I think we can all learn from that.

There is a Harvar Med Prof who did some really interesting research on subtle energy around the 1950's I think not sure, called Harold Saxton-Burr. You may find his work interesting.

love & light
Flea

Flea
For a very long time i did think that indigos are out there.but if you read the descriptions of children who are indigos, you might find them applicable to all children. I would love to think that there are indigos but i highly doubt that they do exist.Most kids under 5 are in alpha state, they unknowgly see the other world. It slowly disappears as kids grow into their teens. Somechildren have invisible friends. are they invisible? or do the kids live in between worlds? i juist dont want peopel to label themselves indigos just because they have some kind of ADD or something close to that effect.

cheers
Tik

[Pisceanfool]

I actually would have to agree with you guys after reading some of your thoughts. I have believe the term "Indigo" would most likley be just to describe the kind of mind set "they" have. Like i said it was based on a unique aura, someone who denied the dogma of organised religions and found spiritualilty in themselves through lifetimes of searching for answers. Something many supposed "Indigos" have is psychic sensitivity which would make thier 6th chakra more open then most, refer to the wikipedia article on chakras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakras) and you will see this chakra is colored indigo. Now in my own theory... the auras are directly based on the chakras, which are directly based on the psyche. The auras are a reflection of our physical and emotional state. If one had the attributes of an "Indigo" they would indeed have an indigo dominant aura. Indigos think for themselves, question authority, and realize there is more then meets the eye... as far as our view of "reality" on the physical plane or whatever it really is. Also the 7th charka being whiteish(depending on source) could explain the "Crystals".

So i would say the term "Indigo" should be treated a bit more like a generalization and not some kind of title. It is more of a personality type then anything else. Once again, many of the supposed "Indigo" traits described gave me visions of various elements of my chart. It is a kind of person that people try to label. Some of the New Agers like to feel above the common "sheeple", as has been termed by some. I would not say being "Indigo" is some kind of super special title to be used it is merly a certain mindset that has been given a label.

No one can be given a label, i really never should of used the term "Indigo" maybe... but then again this has been a good analysis of the "Indigo" term. Now i see why i resisted the label at first. We are all unique souls that can't be catagorized. "Indigos" are really just a type of energy that we all have to some degree or another(we all have every energy to some degree). I still find it interesting you guys say that the descriptions are so general because i have tried to find others in my immediate life that fit and none of them truely do... not even me to a certain extent. So again, the term "Indigo" embodies certain traits we all have just some more then others. Kids (exactly like me) want answers and to feel somehow speciel so they may attach themselves to this title. I think this whole idea has gone too far and discredits the New Age Movement somewhat.

This is somewhat off topic but hey it's my thread ;)

Much of what makes up my opinions is highly contraversial, for paranormal phenominum is very hard to accuratly measure or observe objectivly like science and most people want to think. My Pisces stellium gives me faith (or completly delusional! :38:) in more, and once you read about much of this it all makes so much sense and comes together so nicely. The chakras and auras are defintly a reality, the chakras directly connect to various organs that describe thier traits and imbalances cause dis-eases (again read the various chakras as described on Wikipedia) as described WAY before medical science was where it is today. For the unbelievers/atheists, look at THE ALL, all of life. Why does a plant try to grow? Why do creatures try to live on even when they are injured and in pain? Life Force is real folks, it's everywhere and in everything. Not just gene's causeing instincts and chemicals that's mearly how it manifests physically. If we could meet and logically discuss THE ALL i highly doubt you would be able to walk away without wondering if there really is more then meets the eye. We are not just masses of atoms "randomly" generated with "luck". Sorry, i'll stop and save it for my writing.

Thanks guys gave me more food for thought! :p Continue to discuss this if you wish.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

A chakra based theory is interesting, but there are several meditation exercises wherein the chakras are systematically opened by the realization of or letting go of particular negative emotions or actions that block the specific chakra. Ajna (the purple chakra) has to do with seeing through illusion and psychic sight, so it's obvious that this chakra is blocked by those illusions it's not being allowed to see through. Were everyone in the world to sit down and open this chakra, would we all be Indigos? This same logic can be applied to the Crystals and Sahasrara, if that is indeed the chakra that someone connects with the Crystals.

[tikana]

You really are displaying a painfully unaware understanding of hallucinogenic substances, their uses, and their effects upon the human body. There is no such thing as an LSD addict, it is physiologically impossible. It could be possible to develop a psychological dependence upon a substance like LSD, but I doubt that is the type of put down that you were going for.


HA! BULL! you can be addicted to anything INCLUDING LSD
What is the addiction potential of LSD?
Physically speaking, virtually zero. The typical amount of LSD ingested is microscopic (100 millionths of a gram) and tolerance builds up quickly - you have to wait 3 or 4 days before LSD will work on you again.

However, like any drug, you can get captivated by the way it makes you feel and the insights you may have under its influence. It is possible to become psychological addicted to LSD. And if you're doing it twice a week or every weekend, it will become difficult to it relate to the 'real world'.

http://www.lsd-info.com/lsd-addiction.htm here is more stuff on LSD

it doesnt work like crack or cocaine but if you cannot live without LSD, you are an addict. if you push your body further and further, then you are an addict.

she was on LSD for crying out loud. To me that shows no credibility.

Any kind of a drug is a bad drug.

did i hear you say "painfully" ? I dont give a rat's a** about being unaware of something that destroys your body. Fact is DRUGS KILL. Yeah so what LSD and every other **** takes you to another plane and out of this planet and out of reality, at the end of the day you are all by yourself with drugs and destroying your family to the core. DRUGS KILL not only users but families who are directly related to an addict.

She was addicted. She was in and out of therapies. If something does not work, you stop and look for an alternative method to get somethign working *of course, keeping in mind that you must be SOBER in your head* but no, she praised effects of LSD.

here is another fact about Moss
However, she struggled for years with persistent psychological problems, rooted in depression and grief at the loss of her husband (he died of cancer two days after she gave birth to a baby daughter). She survived two suicide attempts. For treatment for her problems, she underwent a course of LSD psychotherapy; she later published an autobiographical account of her treatment, My Self and I, under the pseudonym Constance A. Newland; the book was a bestseller in 1962.

Ohh yeah LSD is just the way to resolve all problems including grief. RIGHT ON, what a way to choose. Instead of saying to herself, "i have a daughter to raise. yeah It ***** that my hubby cannot be there" but she went on her trips.

She experimented with and praised the effects of LSD and was in and out of therapy for a variety of psychological problems, but managed to overcome her personal travails and become a professor at UCLA’s Neuropsychiatric Institute. http://skepdic.com/kirlian.html

She couldnt solve her own problems yet she went off on a mission to find something as vague as INDIGO kids. it is totally illogical from every corner you look at.

By the way, Flea, i am not UNCOMFORTABLE with the term INDIGO. I am uncomfortable with the description of INDIGO children's symptoms and descriptions. They are too vague and can apply to every child on earth regardless when they were born.

I live on researches. I dig through piles and piles of information if i really love the topic. If anyone want to do Inidgo research, this is how it must be done
Get x amount of people who you think are inidgo preferably start under 500. Classify them, write out their childhood expeirences and anything that pops into parents'heads. Write all the symptoms and characteristics down, then find what all of them have in common. They will differ from one case to the other. Then compare all of them to the current generationof kids if something extrodnary pops out then and only then you can consider them as indigos. If it takes astrology, aura measuring, Kirlian photography, whatever else newagers think of, 90% click, then you can say OKAY this is indigo! then compare them to the rest of the kids born in the same era and generation. After yoru research, you should come up with a fraction of children who are possibly either gifted or indigo.

Take a look at this
http://www.angeltherapy.com/article1.php

"The first thing that most people notice about them is their eyes—large, penetrating and wise beyond their years. "
hmm most scorpios HAVE that.
My xboss who was a scorpio had those kind of eyes. I didnt know that he was a scorpio until I asked "are you a scorpio?"
His quad nieces and nephews all have thos kind of eyes which are identical to their grandfather who died 4 days before they were born. I met him before he died and his grandkids
My other xboss was a cancer with leo rising *i think* 0 planets in scorpio had identical look in his eyes.
I have the same eyes. I am Sun/Moon Scorpio and leo rising. i dont think or want to think i am indigo.
the most deely penetrating eyes i saw in that afgani girl. She was beyond her years. http://lava.nationalgeographic.com/pod/pictures/sm_wallpaper/April2002ThenAndNow.jpg

I agree with Arian though.

Then indigo kids suppsevely are psychic. hmm my argument to that is EVERYONE is PSYCHIC. One accepts, another rejects. Big deal! Again, it is vague. Sometimes I feel things before they happen or revalations come to me from the dreams *esp last 3 years out of my life*.. does that make me indigo? I HOPE NOT!

We know how to ID abnormalities even in infants. We can ID mental glitches. We know how to diagnose and first symptoms of autism in children. It has been confirmed by analyzing millions of kids. take a look here is a clear line on symptoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
it is very specific.. it decribes actions

Indigo kids? have you actually looked into the symptoms?
One was does not recognize homosexuality, sexuality heterosexuality.. everything is the same! HMM OKAY!

http://www.indigochild.com/
They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it)
*Paris Hilton*

They have a feeling of "deserving to be here," and are surprised when others don't share that.
* Paris Hilton*

Self-worth is not a big issue. They often tell the parents "who they are."
* Paris Hilton, just ask her mother *

They have difficulty with absolute authority (authority without explanation or choice).
* Paris Hilton and her driving*

They simply will not do certain things; for example, waiting in line is difficult for them.
*hmm paris Hilton*

They get frustrated with systems that are ritually oriented and don't require creative thought.
*paris hilton*

They often see better ways of doing things, both at home and in school, which makes them seem like "system busters" (nonconforming to any system).
*Paris Hilton*

They seem antisocial unless they are with their own kind.
*hmm her again *

If there are no others of like consciousness around them, they often turn inward, feeling like no other human understands them. School is often extremely difficult for them socially.

They will not respond to "guilt" discipline ("Wait till your father gets home and finds out what you did").
*hmm i can see that in Paris*

They are not shy in letting you know what they need.
*hmm Paris Hilton*

so all YESes on Paris Hilton.. so i guess she is indigo.
WOW

then you put all sites together and find that they have little to nothing in common when they describe INDIGO.

Tik

[flea]

All posts have given me food for thought. I am interested in why this area seems so contenscious. I suppose saying that the certain group of people are more special, more talented, and psychic too boot. Well on the surface this seems hard to believe. And for those needing to be special...... here is the hook.... " I am an Indigo". Being more special, more important than others... Doesn't ring true to me.

Yet I believe they exist and possibly me as I mentioned. Do I want to be special..... yes just like anyone else on this earth. And everyone is SPECIAL in my opinion. Each has a reason and purpose for being, I deserve no more no less that the next person. As long as I am not determining what I deserve, as I tend to undersell myself...

As I have said before I think it is a mistake to list traits, it is too simplistic. As all people are psychic and spiritual as Tik mentioned. We all have those capacities within us. So my question is, why not? Which leads me to my next position. I understand that the Indigos are seeding new knowledge (or very old knowledge depending on your time warp) on this planet. I believe it is about remembering who we are and what are true capabilities are.

The information on the web on how to parent and teach these children is really about how all children could be taught. Honouring the knowledge inside children and letting them grow and expand into who they are without society dictating what that is.

All the traits listed can be applied to any child. Those traits are just active or dormant. It is now not about determining who is and who isn't but seeing how the information can be applied to everyone.

This thread has been great in questioning the information that is out there already. I would like to know what people think of my ideas here..... and yes be respectively honest say whatever you really think is important.

Love & Light
Flea

[Lissa]

Pisceanfool,glad to know you're not upset with us,we just took your thread by storm,I feel a little bit bad talking about this things when this thread was meant to discuss the current transits for Indigos,I'm sure we wouldn't mind moving this discussion to another thread if you wish so.

I still feel like "Indigo" was a label New Age parents decided to give their troubled children."Feeling and acting like royalty"?"Simply will not to do certain things"?Those aren't Indigo children,those are children with an atitude problem,and you can see them every month on Dr.Phil.If Indigo children really possess those characteristics,than my3year old sister is the ultimate Indigo prototype.Not only,but how much of this "Indigoness" isn't enviromental made?Like I said before,I have some friends with some pretty interesting aspect configurations between the outer planets,yet,I live in a sort of small town;I can assure you that98%of the people who live here have no clue about what a Indigo children is,and some of them may not even know that Indigo is a color!As you can see,most of my friends were raised by people who are totally unaware of the most spiritual side of life.When we got on the bedroom floor screaming we didn't want to go to school,instead of calling us Indigo children and taking us to a psychich,our parents grounded us,which is something all parents need to do sometimes.That may be the reason why some of my friends with astounishing birth charts are totally lacking in intuition and completely centered in the more "earthly" sides of living.Now I'm thinking about that boy with the Kite and the Mystic Rectangle involving his Sun and Moon and the outer planets...he doesn't seem very Indigo when he's hanging out with the other guys,talking about **** movies with them!Some of the most spiritual,intuitive people I know sort of "have it in their family",meaning that their parents also have some interest in esoteric subjects,so that they were raised in a environment which stimulated their most spiritual side.

I think Tikana was funny with the Paris Hilton thing:p.I don't think she was trying to ofend anyone,she was just trying to show how absurd the definition for Indigo really is.I think the problem with this Indigo thing is that the whole concept needs re-difining...at least i think.Honestly,I don't believe in the existence of Indigo children,but I do believe in the existence of Indigo people.Children end up being a product of their environment.Of course,much o what we learned as children stays with us for the rest of our life,but during our first years of living,our actions are still very controled by our parents.When we grow and start deciding how we want to live our life,that's when we decided to embrace a spiritual path.And Indigo people aren't people who refuse to follow the rules and refuse to embrace discipline;those are called anarchists.Real Indigo people are compassionate souls with great intuition and respect for every being on this planets.They can wait on a line and follow the law as they're told,because,just like Flea said,they know they're no better nor less than others.Real Indigo people will fight the system only when the system is rotten,and they are willing to fight not only for their rights but also for everyone else's.

[flea]

I wanted to emphasie some points in relation to Lissa's post....

I believe there are Indigo children and always have been. There is now thought to be an significantly increasing proportion being born. All people have the capacity to develop Indigo, not many know the choice to change. A percentage of current generations are coming in with it present at birth. Their presence ingites humanity to recognition of the self.

So just their presence is significant for the evolution of humanity to become humane. I think it is not a traditional taught thing, it is perceived by our spiritual bodies which then starts to change.

I think Astrology is not going to tell you who is Indigo or not, as spirit is within all signs and we all still have free will. Contacts to transpersonal planets I believe are clues but again not conclusive.

I do think tho that transpersonal transits to the natal chart do have considerable effect on Indigos, and maybe in slightly different ways to your average Joe, who has another equally important purpose.

Love & Light
Flea

[Pisceanfool]

Hopefully this is not too long and disjointed, if i ramble please let me know. They refers to the supposed "Indigos".


Wow i had no idea there was such passion involved in the term Indigo (not surprising). The term may have some validity, and even if it doesn't it still exists now and came into for a reason. I think a few of you guys are getting way too defensive about the whole thing(not like i am one to talk but still) and taking this way too seriously. Tik, you have obviously given this much thought and research and you bring up very good points. Like i was saying we ALL have the same energies, and yes we are all psychic just some trust thier feelings and some live inside thier minds and over intellectualize everything. Some have a greater degree of this "Indigo energy" if you will. Some of the descriptions are pretty vague, but i still think it has to do with a souls evolution. Maybe they need to reevaluate the whole idea, an evolved soul realizes they are not better then anyone else. Not "royalty" and they would accept wating in line... i mean cmon that's so snobby. They may, however, not like the current system and have a better idea on how to solve it. As flea said, we are ALL unique and we ALL have a purpose... we ALL are perfectly suited for our path that we ALL chose our birthday, name, and place very carefully(yes even if it is very hard). The classification into some catagory just causes resentment and we lose our unique identity. ALSO i think the most evolved souls take on the hardest paths, which is why we choose a hard childhood and give our selves a mission much different from our other lives... we are ready for more... beyond materialism and selfish ego driven existence. If we assume they are more evolved souls it makes perfect sense that at this point in history there would be more since there have been many opportunities for expansion/growth since the "Beginning". I think Jupiter plays a very important role in this whole thing and the future of earth.

The reason i bring up auras and chakras is because that's how the term originated, and some even say that auric dominance has nothing to do with it. Which it really doesn't all the time, if one is incredibly angry the aura changes to red... happy it is yellow or maybe greenish. Anyone can make thier aura any color and manipulate the chakras if they possess the ability and knowledge... a huge part is just believing you can. So maybe the whole approach is flawed.

The whole Indigo thing has gone too far... if you were really an "Indigo" as i understand it, you wouldn't give a rat's *** whether the term had validity or not. I think a huge thing with this is not being programmed by society and the media. However Paris Hilton was DEFINTLY NOT an Indigo and the descriptions used to lead me to believe they were all just impatiant brats with a messiah complex!:38: In my own experience(you can skip this just my own story and getting a little off topic i just want to use myself as an example): The whole reason i came upon the term was because a psychic told my mom that she was to "teach the Indigos". My mom never did anything much with "New Age" stuff and none of this is really that new in fact. She never pushed any beliefs, she is an amazing parent and teacher (quad sag. ;)). She gives respect and recieves it likewise, I never was grounded for i never did anything that bad anyway because i just didn't want to... not FEARing the consequences. She let me become who i was and i told her who i was which sure surprised her, she had never thought about who and what she was (fire/air on the top of the chart). Ever since I was very young i just knew certain things... i always believed in ghosts, always knew there were aliens, always knew that energy was very important in understanding reality. I always knew psychics had validity and always thought "magic" had been veiled by current scientific thought and capitalistic materialism. However i always did my own thinking on the whole religious thing. (please forgive me devout christians you're not wrong or stupid) After i took my first science class, during the final actually lol, i started to think... wait a tick why is there anything anywhere? i very quickly realized how the bible cannot possibly be translated literally... and i mean really... any passage can be interpreted however one wants it to be. Plus all the contradictions... it started as a good guide but then selfish and power hungry individuals changed and changed it... thinking they were the "Voice of God!". Oh **** well i got myself started and will stop... but i am not going to delete this. After i read about other religions i realized none of them seemed "true" in my eye's at least and i became athiest.. which sucked, everything seemed so pointless and i honestly just wanted to die (never really been too scared of death either). Maybe i just latch onto spiritualism but from what i read and apply/test it makes SO MUCH SENSE it really is so simple yet not really.

The point is, generation upon generation has been believing what other people say and not seeking thier own truth as i believe is intended. Anyone who actually buys into this kind of Dogma is defintly NOT an "Indigo", and i know many many people who do. From my understanding a truely "Indigo" person is not very general at all... in fact extreamly rare like Tik said before. Not everyone will fit so nicely into the parameters described. Just as if you get a dis-ease of some kind you almost never exhibit ALL the symptoms. Likewise, we can't look at the individual symptoms either as they are not indicative of enough. The whole idea of giving a child a title like this is just wrong anyway. Like Tik said, this is a terrible amount of pressure put on a child! I know because i put WAY too much pressure on myself, for some reason i have always felt like i need to something more then my other lives and numerology/astrology seems to confirm this (really trying to just let it happen and keep learning now). I think the whole idea needs to be revisted not just the term itself... even if they are some divine gift or whatever, we are ALL divine and all part of The All. Just that now is a critical time and we need more people that have faith in themselves and thier guides... not give thier power to some priest, or Jesus or "God". At the same time compassionate, empathetic, experienced, and wise. We could literally destroy the planet we call home at any time... very scarey times indeed. I don't think we need any kind of label... just be who we are and "Know thyself".

Another thing i have read is they want to actually understand something. If they ask how it works they REALLY want to know not just some basic explaination. Everyone i know wants to cram information in thier head so they pass thier tests and never really apply or understand any of it. They forget it sooner or later. For me, I CAN'T LEARN THAT WAY it really doesn't work... that's why math is challenging as people teach it. Most people just learn the rules and dont get WHY you use the formulas and how they can be applied. I am not bad at math, just hard for me to learn usually (some of it is new so probly never have before). Was actually my best score on the SATs, and much better then the average. Same for science, as i learn it i constantly test it in my mind through imagination and logical application. This way i really never had to study in high school (and some easy college classes but honestly high school was such cake relativly) as long as my mind is interested enough in the topic(mercury quintile Uranus and trine Pluto both do this) or else i am indifferent. This is another Indigo trait, the ADD to reject information that may be false and unimportant. Plus i think i have learned things like history SO many times i am sick of it. Also they are open to new ideas and don't get stalled by constrictive views based on subjections. These traits are definitly NOT general as i have come to realize in my subjective experience at least. Now don't get me wrong not saying "Indigos" are "true" or whatever just saying i don't find the Indigo mentality very common or general AT ALL. Yet to meet anyone in regular life i even suspect of being an "Indigo".

Oh and drugs, well spirituality and mind expansion with the use of drugs is the half @$$ed way if you ask me. They can make your brain waves a certain way(or resonating the correct frequency really) as to open you to other "realities" incomprehensible in terms of what we experience here on earth. True spirituality in my opinion, comes from within... the ability to not need any outside factors to be happy and content (among other things). Drugs have played an important role in many religions. As any of you who have some high degree of "paranormal" ablitities and have tried any kind of psychedelic drugs they certainly enchance them. Once you can't use your flesh body, they will be useless though...

One last thing (as if this isn't already too long for the right brain dominant people) remember that even if you think you are extreamly evolved, possibly your final incarnation, or an "Indigo" you were incarnated for some reason and there is still something to learn and understand. If you still think you are royalty and better then everyone else that is something you must learn... we are all equal and have our purpose and, dare i say, "Destiny". Good and Evil(or any polarity) are one in the same and both are necessary for there to be any distinction or balance.

Spreading ideas...

[tikana]

Lissa,

you got my drift
"I think Tikana was funny with the Paris Hilton thing.I don't think she was trying to ofend anyone,she was just trying to show how absurd the definition for Indigo really is.I think the problem with this Indigo thing is that the whole concept needs re-difining...at least i think.Honestly,I don't believe in the existence of Indigo children,but I do believe in the existence of Indigo people."

I wasnt being serious about PARIS being INDIGO.. if she is indigo, god save us all. I dont think she is a bad person but she makes bad decisions.
the whole description, defintion and everything else is flawed. IT DOES need a closer look up!

here is my description of indigos

1. donates his/her toys after his/her birthday.
2. comes home with stray cats and asks to organize a fundraiser to get them adopted
3. found in the bookstore reading philosophy books
4. does not like to play with others but found speaking about subjects beyond his/her years
5. does not live for him/herself.
6. is not physically active but more mentally
7. donates his/her allowance money for a cause
8. never into causual dating. from day 1 looks for his/her soulmate
9. writes deep essays themes anything from spiritualism to after death theories
10. possibly is not interested in causual TV programs. you wont find him./her watching reality shows

The bottom line is INDIGOS may feel that they deserve to be here not for themselves but FOR THE OTHERS! that is what setting them apart from everyone else. Like i was saying Indigo color is literally undetectable meaning that these kids truly live in indigo sphere. They are on the mission to save others disregarding themselves. They get inspired by helping people.. Maybe Mother Teresa is a true indigo?


Back to you, gals and gents

Tik

[flea]

I would have to say they know how to truly love themselves, and in so doing have greater knowing of others needs.

I do not think it is all selfless love. But they allow the space for others to love themselves.

Also I have spoken to a few people who are aware of subtle energy through their work and physical experiences yet it is a type of energy that has no scienftific baseline. No one knows what this stuff is, but more people are realising it exists. Meridians, Nadis, Chakras, this knowledge has been with us a long time. Chinese are apparently doing some major scientific research into the meridians so if anyone one reads the main Chinese dialects there could be some fascinating stuff.

Love & Light
Flea

[FlyAway]

I don't think that wish lists don't make any sense.
If you meet 10 depressed people, all of them feel and act differently.
Because any of them has a different personality.
Take 10 psychics, and you'll see the same.
I think I know some Indigo people (all of them adults).
For me they are Indigo's because of their holistic approach to life and their spiritual outlook on life.
Some Indigo's can be very down to earth.
And a lot of Indigo's are more busy helping themselves than helping others.
Because they seem to be more aware that they need to heal themselves before they can heal others.
If there are two things they have in common, it's responsibility and honesty.
They feel responsible for themselves and for their acts.
And they're having a hard time dealing with vagueness and lies, especially when they've found out they've been fooling themselves.
Indigos are very busy changing the world, especially the world within.
I don't think they are already saving whales at the age of ten, they get out of the closet when they're about 40,
when they know who they are, what they want and how they want to help.
That's my definition of the Indigo personality, based on the Indigo like people I've met in my life.
But to be honest, I don't think that labeling makes any sense.
Because Indigos are just as human as everyone else.

[flea]

A question

Does anyone on this thread not believe in the possibility of the existence of Indigo People?

As I seem to think we are all saying the saying thing in slightly different ways. We all have an idea of how such a person may be described, but this by its nature is an endless discussion.

I really am interested in ideas you all may have in regards to how the current astrological transits of the transpersonal planets would effect such people.

Love & Light
Flea

[archergirl]

I don't think I believe in the existence of indigo people, as I think it's a bunch of hoo-hah, much like the group of people who are convinced they've been experimented upon by aliens, or every reincarnation believer who is convinced they were Cleopatra in a past life.

I do believe in the evolution of the soul, and reincarnation, and thus different soul ages. However, I don't feel that an 'older soul' is of any greater 'value' to the planet than a 'younger' soul except to be a teacher to them; and many of the 'older' souls I've known and loved have not been any smarter, nicer, environmentally-aware, 'enlightened', than the rest of the populace of 'younger' souls. They just seem to understand how the world *really* works, a lot better, and are able to step back from their own private dramas a bit better than most.

Perhaps indigos and mature/older souls are the same things, then. But I still dislike the term 'indigo' as it smacks of elitism, and I am deeply egalitarian by nature.

Best,
AG:)

[tikana]

AG

I agree with you.

like i said some peopel are on the mission to live for others, the others are into themselves.

Tik

[FlyAway]

I do think there are people who are more psychic, more spiritually aware, more sensitive, wiser, brighter, older and more experienced.
And it is possible that these people are more in touch with the vibes of the future or the next generations.
But I don't believe in all the romantic ideologies.
Nor do I believe in judging people who think or sense they might be part of the Indigo generation.

I don't think it's all rubish and I don't think it's all true, that's about my opinion.

[Pisceanfool]

Yes! So ok it seems most are agreeing that the term needs to be reevaluated if it is to be used to try and label some kind of person. People love to label and name things, we like to call whatever you think is "God" when really it transcends words. That is the way we think: words, images and symbols. The word "Indigo" should not be some kind of title or elitist mind set... if you were an "Indigo" you would not want anyone to think you are so freakin great that others should bow to you like some kind of royalty.

I like what you guys say about the "Indigo" peoples as being more spiritual and concerned with the well being of every-thing and every-one. Many of them want to help the world and others, but as was said they know one must heal one self before others. There is no way to really catagorise any group of people, if we try and label them it will just result in prejuduce and stereotyping... for better or worse.

We feel as if we are here to help others, our existence goes beyond our gratification and glory. For some reason i have always felt i am here to be of some kind of service, and my bowl chart mid point being in the 6th house seems to confirm this (plus my 11/2 birth path).

Some psychologists and philosophers argue that no one does anything unless it benefits themselves in some way. That that is the primary motivation behind all of human behavior. They renounce the whole idea of selflessness... maybe it's all the Pisces in me... but i would have left this body a LONG time ago if that were the case for me personally. The "Indigos" seem to realise that even if they die their contributions will help others, and they feel a sense of mission to do so. Most people i know don't give a **** what happens to the earth in 100 years because they will be dead. Even if there is no after life and reincarnation i still want the world to be a better place!

So finnaly i will say "Indigo" is a kind of soul, or person, or mind, or whatever... not some kind of title and not "royalty". I don't think that we should look at it as some kind of amazing elite incarnation... just different. We are not defintly going to reshape the world, that's pretty idealistic. Change takes time and we may never see the culmination of our efforts for a long time. The future is in EVERYONE'S hands not just the "Indigo's" and it is not set in stone... never was never can be... just potentials based on past actions. We can just maybe help people in the direction that feels "Right" useing our various ablilties and talents.

[flea]

Thank you for being so up front with your positions on this matter. It was begining to be a bit difficult for me to understand where people stood on the subject of Indigo from their posts. In any event Indigo promotes a great deal of discussion.

To clarify the beginnings of the term for people who are interested here is an interview with Jan Tober who along with Lee Caroll wrote the first book about the children in 2000. Since then they have written more books on the subject. The first sold over half mill copies.

http://www.jantober.com/

They channel the entity Kyron. As just about all Indigo information is channelled it is important people are aware. Lee Caroll's site give some very clear principles regarding channelled information if you are interested. Jan and Lee worked with Nancy Ann Tappe who Tikana mentioned in earlier. Nancy has a physical condition which affects her sight, her perception of colour around people was perceived as aura.

Her work notes that 80% of children born since 1980 are Indigo and that their has been a much higher incidence since 1995. So we are talking about a very large percentage which is why the descriptions seem to relate to any child I imagine. However me personally I dont think lists are that useful in themselves. Anyway here we have a generation of children consderably different from those gone before in any event. I thought that the sub-discussion on drugs were a bit irrevelant but then I realised no generation has been so highly drugged through; prescription, (ADD drugs have to be questioned), recreational (not sure about this term), and food chemicals (Dr Peter Dingle has done some fantastic work looking at how kids are effected by chemicals in food.), and general polution (both electromagnetic and physical). The implications are to a great extent unresearched. Unfortunatle the majority of research is undertaken by Pharmaceutical companies in order to benefit shareholders. Please consider that the top ten Pharmaceutical companies hold more wealth than the top Fortune 100 companies.

As a final note I am sure we are all aware that channelling it is highly controversial information and many many people would consider it bogus.

Love & Light
Flea

[unukalhai]

IMHO, The so called "indigo" people are nothing more than those with a stronger-than-previously-normal resonance to the outer planets, especially Uranus and Neptune. The outer planets energies are presently undergoing a major "absorption" phase by the collective; many are starting to experience the energy of the outer planets at the personal level, and many more will follow in their footsteps. One does not have to be born within any specific timeframe or period, one can be initiated into this consciousness if one earnstly desires and asks to be initiated with an unselfish heart. Trust me when I say that no unselfish soul who asks in spirit to be Chiron's student will be denied.

The outer planet transits for these people will be little different than anyone else, with the exception that people who experience the outer planets in a personal nature will undergo these transits in a more conscious and aware manner. Yes, that does imply the transits will be more powerful and less "foreign", however the normal rules of interpretation do still apply.

The most important set of transit for the late 80s-90s children are that of Pluto and Chiron across their Uranus and Neptune. These are the major transits of awakening. The transits across Uranus awaken the spiritual identity and philosophy (and all other high resonances of the air element), while the transits across Neptune awaken the emotional/psychic (water element) facilities. One should also be aware of the fact that since Neptune/Pluto are in sextile relationship in most these nativities, the Pluto-Pluto sextile occurs very close to the Pluto-conjunct-Neptune transit, which is quite significant, as it shows Pluto at a strong and powerful balancing point (the sextile) as it conjuncts Neptune. This in fact affects a large portion of those born in the later half of the prior century, with a special emphesis on those born between 1950-1957 and 1976-1986 when Neptune/Pluto were making repeated exact sextiles. Of note for more recent births, The Neptune-Pluto septile series occurs from 2002 to 2012. As Uranus/Neptune make further distance from Pluto, the transits of Pluto across Uranus/Neptune will occur much later in life for those born recently. For example, a 2005 baby will have Pluto transit Neptune in 2032, around their 27th year. That should be quite interesting as that lines up with the first Neptune sextile. The same 2005 baby will then experience the Pluto/Uranus transit in tandem with Uranus opposition Uranus, around their 41-42nd year.

The way the cycles work, as times goes on, people will experience these powerful awakening transits later in life when they are more apt to fully utilize the potential and have had adequate time to prepare for them. Having gone through Pluto-conjunct-Uranus when I was ~12 years old, I think it's fairly safe to say this is a transit much better suited to the mid20s-30s timeframe. I can only imagine the energy which will be released with the babies of this decade go through Pluto-conjunct-Uranus in tandem with the Uranus opposition, I suspect these folks will have one heck of an energy bang around their early 40s, possibly too much for many to handle.

I personally prefer the term "outer planet person" to "indigo"... and also like the term PUNC (Pluto Uranus Neptune Chiron) for outer planet people. I forget exactly, but it was either Joyce Mason or Donna Cunningham who coined that one, but it's stuck with me.

And for those of you who are still operating under the assumption the outer planets are purely transpersonal...
Noel Tyl - How To Personalize The Outer Planets
Tracy Marks - The Astrology Of Self Discovery
Bil Teirney - Alive and well with Uranus, Neptune and Pluto (a book on each planet)
Donna Cunningham - The Outer Planets and Inner Life, Vol 3 - Aspects between the Outer Planets, Exceptional Souls and Their Generations
http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/JMOuters1.html
http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/JMOuters2.html
http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/JMOuters3.html
http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/JMOuters4.html
http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/JMOuters5.html

[Pisceanfool]

Unukalhai,

Yes i totally agree. When the exact conj of Neptune/Uranus in 1992 many of the supposed Indigos were born. I think the relationships of those two planets(and pluto in scorpio) really describes the qualities attributed to Indigos. Since both the planets are my personal rulers, and my mercury positivly aspects all the outer planets i can relate to alot of the Indigo descriptions. Since this pluto transit over uranus i have been obsessivly studying metaphysics, religions, philosophy, and am now majoring in psychology. Plus while there it squares my moon/jupiter... anyway i feel as if pluto is a personal planet too since it is so stongly placed and aspected(and most elevated planet). Anyone think that Jupiter has anything to do with this as well?

Also! Neptune corresponds to the 6th chakra, while Uranus does for the 7th! Both the auric colors of the Indigos and Crystals if anyone missed that.

Very interesting indeed...

I am waiting untill 2012 when pluto goes over my natal neptune, trines vertex, sextiles itself, and a whole heap of other closer planet transits. Something has to happen...

[unukalhai]

Unukalhai,
When the exact conj of Neptune/Uranus in 1992 many of the supposed Indigos were born.


1993, actually.. sorry, I know I'm being anal, but it's what my Virgo-placed hardass ascendant-ruling Saturn does :P :D

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I think the relationships of those two planets(and pluto in scorpio) really describes the qualities attributed to Indigos.


Totally, although I think Pluto is more of the "end game" to be achieved once the Uranus/Neptune energies are better integrated. This is NOT a small task.


my mercury positivly aspects all the outer planets


Yay! Another soul with Mercury linked tightly to the outers. I have mine conjunct Uranus in Scorpio, right at the midpoint of the Neptune/Pluto sextile. It's a placement I'm thankful for. :)


now majoring in psychology.


Nice. I come from a family of psychologists. Being astrologically aware, you have a major edge on them, however. I've seen first hand how modern psychology, applied alone, can actually do more harm than good, and is very rooted in stereotypes and shallow classifications. I'm not saying you can't learn from it, on the contrary there is much to be learned, but modern psychology and ancient psychology (aka astrology) MUST be integrated for either to be successful. In fact, they shouldn't even be considered separate.

If I could afford to go to school, I'd choose that as a major as well.


anyway i feel as if pluto is a personal planet too since it is so stongly placed and aspected(and most elevated planet). Anyone think that Jupiter has anything to do with this as well?


I'd say Pluto squaring your personal inner feelings object (Moon) speaks alot for how you are building a personal awareness of Pluto's energy. Don't try to shut him out, let his energy flow and purify/rebuild your Moon, I can assure you Pluto is a master of leaving behind a totally rebuilt and far more solid structure. Looking back at Pluto's transit over my Mercury, Uranus, Sun, Neptune and now Venus, and I see a very recurrent pattern of purification and restructuring, much for the better. I'm quite interested to see his plan for my Venus unfold, as I know that's one structure that needs some serious rebuilding! Makes me wish Pluto and Uranus would trade places, so I could get the full round of Plutonian rebirth and all those fast Uranian happenings would slow down a bit! ;)


Also! Neptune corresponds to the 6th chakra, while Uranus does for the 7th! Both the auric colors of the Indigos and Crystals if anyone missed that.


Exactly. Uranus is the Kundalini energy, shown as blue like the arc of electricity through Uranus's element, Air.

Don't forget Pluto is also the root chakra :)


I am waiting untill 2012 when pluto goes over my natal neptune, trines vertex, sextiles itself, and a whole heap of other closer planet transits. Something has to happen...

You'll enjoy the Neptune sextile. I'm going through this now. Do yourself a favor and try to withdraw from too much worldly activity during that period, give yourself some extra time to focus on what the spiritual realms have in store for you, which will be quite vast. It's an important period of inner building and integration which shouldn't be denied. It is also a time to focus on what you want to do with yourself after the quickly approaching Saturn return, which always quickly follows the Neptune sextile.

[flea]

Hi Guys,

I quite like the term PUNC, it reminds me of my school days when PUNK was looming large in the UK. I wonder if there are any aspects that indentify this musical phenomenon, which was incredibly revolutionary, got people's back up , but revitalised music and incresed personal individuality and also vastly increade the numbers making popular music. It kinda said anyone can do this.

I have strong aspects to all four through sun, moon, mars, and venus. Mercury is a 2deg orb Quintile with Uranus but I work primarily with my tighter aspects. Pluto opp square Sun is one of the tightest. very interesting T-square to have.

My strongest transit so far has been Pluto over my Sun which was quite devastating initially but opened out to transformation. The Pluto Uranus transits happened when I was under 1 years old. So it has been Pluto and Uranus over my Neptune and Sun that produced interesting results. Neptune when it passed over Venus conincided with another life even. Neptune is now sitting close to my MC. My Uranus is coming up the conjunction opposition squaring my natal sun. So I am on the cusp of some very big changes in the energy effecting me on this planet.

I am wondering U if you are saying something to me in your thread on the previous page as I am the only one to use the term transpersonal on this thread. Please could you clarify thx.

love & light
Flea

[unukalhai]

No flea, not at all :) I hadn't even noticed that, honestly. The only reason I mentioned it is because a large quantity of folks seem to still think the outers are strictly "out of normal bounds", "transpersonal", or "impersonal"... When in fact they are quickly being absorbed into a much more personal sense, and generate some really interesting personality traits.

[flea]

Cool U, I have found some of the transpersonal psychology intertesting as it brings a spiritual element into psychotherapy and a perspective of the individual in relation to the whole which is of personal interest to me. That and I have so many outer planets contacting my inner ones. And the transits have always been biggie personal ones.


Love & Light
Flea

[NicholasH]

first wave of indigos - pluto in libra
second wave of indigos - pluto in scorpio
crystal kids - pluto in sag.
rainbow kids - pluto in capricorn



maybe eh?

[Moulin]

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[Moulin]

Hi AG

Can l ask how you know they are older souls? An old soul never says as much ;)

They quietly go about change and are people of few words that have enormous impact.

Sounds like these old souls are maybe wannabees? no offence but it's like most psychics and mediums.. they are just fakes and charletans. :)

I don't think I believe in the existence of indigo people, as I think it's a bunch of hoo-hah, much like the group of people who are convinced they've been experimented upon by aliens, or every reincarnation believer who is convinced they were Cleopatra in a past life.

I do believe in the evolution of the soul, and reincarnation, and thus different soul ages. However, I don't feel that an 'older soul' is of any greater 'value' to the planet than a 'younger' soul except to be a teacher to them; and many of the 'older' souls I've known and loved have not been any smarter, nicer, environmentally-aware, 'enlightened', than the rest of the populace of 'younger' souls. They just seem to understand how the world *really* works, a lot better, and are able to step back from their own private dramas a bit better than most.

Perhaps indigos and mature/older souls are the same things, then. But I still dislike the term 'indigo' as it smacks of elitism, and I am deeply egalitarian by nature.

Best,
AG:)

[Lapis]

Here's a link to many really great articles about the whole "Indigo" thing and also the transition to "Crystal" or Octarine as Sunfell calls it. If you're seriously interested in this subject, I'd suggest that you read all of the articles there. There's so much distortion about this subject, on top of, plain old misunderstandings! Sunfell's articles are some of the best imo.

http://www.sunfell.com/indigo.htm

[Sag Moon]

INDIGO
Like I have tried to find meaning for this so called effect that people talk about adn as yet to find it.

And WIsdom has always been ruled by Saturn so I likely doubt that what is being said connecting the two planets here having a tie in to it unless Saturn is also prevelant in the chart.

I always look with apprehension anyone saying they are this or that without substantial proof. Some claim to have been famous personality's from the past and this to me for most cases is some sort of psychosis. In one case I do think the person was who they said they were due to having gone to the families home and talking to old friends who he had known in that life,He died on Iwo Jima ,but had remarkable recollection which could not have been possible unless he had lived as that person.

I think that people with a Major outer planet conjunction have special gifts like we all do,but to say they are any better or have a classification unique to them is going a bit to far.These are generational planets and we all know what occured for the people born around the time of Hitler.

You have to take these things into context.There are researchers that have written about these outer planet conjunctions and what type of people which it denotes as being born.Many other factoors need to be taken into consideration as to the chart.Some might be excellent killers as an example .

I ave to look into the LSD thing. Drugs are bad for anyone not used right.They can do good or harm.Real LSD is not good as it's manmade whereas Peyote is natural and might be used for certain people I think.I do not think one can diet through the use of Peyote,but they can through the use of LSD if I am not mistaken.Of course people can jump from buildings .

We just had the Galatic Center people born also.There shall be people marked to provide ne discoveries and change governing to enrich the lives of the people.

[Pisceanfool]

INDIGO
Like I have tried to find meaning for this so called effect that people talk about adn as yet to find it.

And WIsdom has always been ruled by Saturn so I likely doubt that what is being said connecting the two planets here having a tie in to it unless Saturn is also prevelant in the chart.

I always look with apprehension anyone saying they are this or that without substantial proof.

OK, I'm not bashing you personally or discrediting your opinion simply useing as discussion.

I thought wisdom was ruled more by Jupiter? However, I suppose the appropriate application of knowledge is considered wisdom so maybe that is more of a Saturn thing as well. The lack of Saturn may indicate that one may never actually do anything with these gifts, so by definition you do have a point. However, I think someone can be wise even if they never really use thier wisdom for some great purpose... but maybe then they are simply knowledgeable and not wise. The point of the Neptune/Uranus/Pluto connections is that they are all very spiritual/intuitive planets by nature. Expressing these outers, or any outers, in a personal way is an indication of higher spiritual growth (not the only indication). Resonating to a higher frequency, which is where you get these different colors of "auras"(not to say this is the only indication of "evolved" spiritual be-ings). I think that the chart only goes so far... the soul and how they choose to use it says more then anything.

How can you even have substantial proof on a topic such as this? This is why this topic seems so tricky to me because who is to say if someone is an "Indigo" or not? Or if they were whoever in another life? Seems like something that requires much personal reflection more then anything.

"All of us are heaven sent, and there was never ment to be only one" -Incubus, "Megalomaniac". Unity!

Sunfell is the best site I have found, and was written by an "Indigo". (ty Lapis)

[flea]

Given the state of the world I think it is high time for some wise strong souls to be born, to wake us up to what we are doing to this planet of ours. We blindly condone the commercial financial system which is seemingly dependent on consumption and profits and control, yet we slumber.

I cant really see a down point to the Indigo phenomenon. No one has really come out in public life saying I am Indigo I am this that or the other for personal agrandisement. There is quiet work going on all around the world, things do indeed seem to be shifting in pockets. Paul Hawken's work indicates a change in his wiser earth project, and Blessed Unrest book.

I can see why people are suspect of people saying I am am beautiful and powerful, but then I think we are all guity of not owning our own power sometimes.

Big changes in the world require big people, humility appears to be a mark of this new wave of evolvement.

Uranus and Neptune in mutual reception for me would be an indicator of an epoch in time where transcendence is explored with honour.

Love Light Flea

[Moulin]

well said flea.

I deleted my post cos l thought it was way too "over the head" of the thread but your post just proved me wrong.

strong, empowered souls have been being born for over 60 years now and do lots for the earth. People are needed to take responsibility for their actions though :)

[flea]

i wasn't trying to be over heads... is it a complicated reply??

I like to see the quiet people working though......................

Love Light Flea

[Moulin]

Flea, not at all :)

I meant that my post ended up unintentionally over heads, before l deleted it!

[Agriias]

I just have to add my two cents.

All this indigo children stuff is a bunch of nonsense. The kids being born today arent in anyway anymore gifted than at any other time. They have been born into a different culture which has been evolved by their predecessors.

The past age was ruled by pluto and we saw the rise of big business, nuclear power, dictators, coldwars, and general lack of regards for anything but capitalism in general. Now people are naturally started to see that things became to extreme in that regards, they would, i mean its pluto.

People are beginning to see the negative effects that the plutonian age had on the world. At the time people just didnt know the consequences of what was going on. How could they? the science and experience wasnt there yet. Humanity hadnt existed in that capacity in who knows how long if ever.

So what im saying is this, kids today are no different than they have ever been. Human nature hasnt changed, no huge advance in genetics has taken place, and there is nothing astrologically suggestive of kids being born now being genius or whatever you want to delude yourself in believing.

This entire issue really comes down to self-esteem. People always want to convince themselves that they or their children are somehow special or better than everyone else, more advanced ect.

Save yourself the headache and read new-age stuff with a vigilantly critical mind. And give children more credit, alot of people are suprised when a child is capable of doing absolutely anything. Kids are pretty smart and they always have been. The culture has changed, we have alot of prosperity in the modern world and safety, tons of information on how to raise kids right, nutrition, education, ect. They just have better opportunities and parents who dont give them enough credit.

The fallacy of the indigo children....sign

[flea]

Agriias

I am not sure what to say to such a response, it seems a little out of place with the discussion. But then Mars is opp Pluto today that is all I can think of.

Love Light Flea

[Agriias]

I just reject the entire concept of the existence of "indigo children" that somehow possess some sort of inherent ability that other children at other times did not possess. Whether you think its because they somehow have some mroe evolved genetics or better astrological placement, it sounds like a bunch of nonsense.

It's like saying that people 50years ago are somehow inherently superior to people 1,000 years ago. It's doubtful and more likely that any percieved special qualities whether mental, physic or whatever you may have noticed are due to a more conducive culture for those type of things.

I know my argument is sort of aggressive, but its a solid one and I'd love to hear one to rival it rather than just some wishful belief in indigo children. I mean, where does this entire idea come from other than some kid's exceeding their parents expectations for what ALL kids are suppsoed to be like. People with this potential have always existed and have in every age, its just the culture.

Look your kid or the kids of the posters here may be gifted, but your all acting like they possess some supernatural qualities. I'm here to tell you they dont. All the people cought up in this entire label of indigo children are either just people born during that period trying to convince themselves they are special or parents that want some sort of label to give their kids to make them sound superior.

I'm harsh I know, Pluto opposition mercury both square moon, but I'm just trying to bring you guys down to reality, because I cant stand this kind of stuff. It is totaly fabricated BS. People are much better off confronting reality than making up fantasy junk like the "indigo children". lol.

[Moulin]

Agriias

Harsh is good; opinion and free will reigns!

Picking up on your point about the advancement of society, l would say that people were more superior as a race many decades ago than present day.

I think sometimes we are actually devolving. Perhaps this devolvement has actually led us to seek our inner sensitivity and intuition to get back on track and evolve again?

Any thoughts about that, as an interpretation?

btw are you Aries? :p

[Agriias]

Well, As far as athleticism and size go evidence from physical anthropology shows that our ancestors as little as 10-12,000 years ago around the time the ice aged ended were 10% larger over all than us. Which completely makes sense since all animals were bigger back then.

Think about it though, lets say the average person is 5'10 or 70inches. Then 10% would be 7 inches which would equal a man of 6'5. Then we would have to add the same thing to the thickness of the bones, and to the weight. A 5'10 175pounds guy is now 192 or so lbs and thats not counting the weight of the bones. THey would actually be heavier because for the person to be equivilantly proportional they would need even more muscle because of the bigger bones. So lets say 6'5 205-210. That's a pretty big difference.

Also they would have just been all around mroe athletic because of the need to hunt and defend themselves before widespread agriculture or civilizations. They also eating the diet that our species evolved on and not the junk we eat today, even if you eat well today the food you eat comes from overfarmed land, or animals who have been fed poorly as opposed to then.

There is evidence that a larger brain has more potential than a smaller brain. We today have smaller heads and smaller brains. However, we could never accurately judge anything like that as there are no remains of that sort of material from back then.

Honestly, It would seem that humans may have degenerated a bit physically, but have more than made up for it because of education and technology. However, we also have alot of people alive today that possess talents that may not have been conducive to survival back then, but have turned out to be very useful today. So, it isnt always neccesarily a bad thing for people who wouldnt survive in a more primitive situation. I doubt Einstein could have hacked it, most philosophers, except socrates, he was a good soldier in the greek military and fought and survived batttles haha. The point is though, back then, people with Einsteins potential and abilities were probally born, just may not have survived, or maybe he did and was one of the pioneers that helped invent the wheel or something like that.

What you say about seeking intuition or sensitivity may be true, but I dont see that as genetic or really anything astrological. The genetics asfar as mental qualities werent much different as far as we can tell, and infact, since intelligience is a huge ingredient in becoming successful and attaining the all important for getting a good mate STATUS. So, even though someone may have been a lesser physical specimen as long as they werent to weakly and contributed through their other abilities they would have had a very good chance of breeding. So the argument could be made that we have just increased the likelyhood of inhereting genes for intelligience and decreased the genes for size and athleticism. Or maybe it comes down to the nutrition problem, there is alot of research that show people are getting taller. Which is probally actually what is happening. It is dubious as to whether being larger is neccesarily better anyways, generally smaller people are more energy effecient.

So basically my argument is that human nature hasnt changed and neither has our genetics. Our lack of size in comparison to our ancestors is most likely due to nutrition and environment. We havent lost any genes, if anything genetically has changed it is just a decreased likelihood of those former genes.

As far as intellgience goes there is no way we can really make any conclusive argument of how our intellgience and mental/physic abilities compare to people 10,000 years ago. Heck maybe they had better physic abilities since their language wasnt as developed and their wasnt any taboo about that kind of thing. They did do all kinds of strange magical rituals to find animals to eat.

[flea]

Agriias
Its is just such a different perspective on life that I am encountering here.

The arguements you have to discount the indigo phenomenon aren't ones I really adhere to, so I am not sure where to go. I am not impressed or unimpressed by psychic ability, it is only a small part of the phenomenon.

This is an important place in time as I understand it, as the solar galaxy enters the photon belt and makes important alignments with the Galactic Centre. As above so below... for astrology to have relevance the cosmos effects our entities, most likely due to electro-magnetic energy changes. The earth is moving through the galaxy and experiencing different energy patterns. There is growing evidence of subtle energy, as work with meridians suggests, the effects are known yet there is not a machine to monitor the levels. People are certainly becoming more sensitive to very specific energy vibrations (electro mag and subtle) around us in the time I have been alive.

It is just a time when many old souls are reincarnating, the abilities are not exclusive, though some people may need to express this opinion.

I am very sure there is no way of currently scientifically proving such a phenomenon, yet I experience changes occuring. I am really not sure if you able to understand where I am coming from with this but well, why not.

And yes well Pluto is an interesting planet natally, I have pluto/uranus sq sun and trine mars and opp chiron. Pluto is hitting your neptune at the moment with mars opposing so it coule be an interesting ride at present for you. Your neptune is sq my sun/moon midpoint. There is usually some connection I have with certain posts.

I think the main change today is the access to information and the freedom of ideas... we may or may not have change but the context, here on earth and the cosmos as I have mentioned have. No one has lived through this before this amazing amount of knowledge at our finger tips, what does that do to our sense of interconnectedness? We know our thoughts change the functions of the body from experiements. How much do we change and effect eachother vibrationally?? Philosphically we are entering into a discussion of quantum theories, where the previous laws of physcis do not apply, how is that going to change our perception of our context.

Magic to me is a kind of entrainment with nature. People lost the connection and ability to read their landscape/environment, so created the city which matched their understanding of life.

Love Light Flea

[Pisceanfool]

Forgive my stray from astrological relavence/reference...

Well I think it's great to get another perspective in here instead of echoing each others ideas. First, I would say you should read up more on the origin of the term and more about indigos in general before trying to act like you are here to school us. Also, considering this is more about "souls" I don't see a huge relavence of genetics in the argument... yet we know little about them and there is defintly some validity so maybe. I don't think anyone is argueing that we are more physically fit, we simply don't need to be. This has less to do with physical manifestations and more to do with soul maturity and expansion.

So yes we do have more knowledge about raising kids better, and kids are **** smart now a days... but again this is about thier souls. Intelligence and wisdom are related, however different things.

Do you believe in reincarnation?

Do you believe in other realms of existence other then the physical?

I don't think people are generally any more psychicly inclined now then other times, in fact we are loseing it with the higher emphasis on science and logic in general. Allegidly, and I have no specific source for this unfortunatly but has come up alot in my readings, most if not all people could see auras in the past (no I have no specific dates jsut the idea that matters for this). Now it is extreamly rare to be able to do so. Also, with the massively larger population it seems logical that there are plenty of newer souls at this time as well, diluting the pool of intuitive and aware people. So it's probably a combination of the two (maybe other factors I can't think of at the time) that have caused us retract from our intuitive roots in general.

Indigos are not some super special new thing... and there are other highly evolved be-ings aside from just the Indigos. There have always been Indigos/aware individuals, just now there are alot more. It is simply a representation of the inevitably more advanced souls as time moves on for one. For another, this is a very critical time and many advanced be-ings both incarnated and not are working to help this planet from it's current path towards self destruction. Consequently the idea of highly aware individuals has come to light.

Evolution is simply: change over time, for better or for worse. "Time" always moves and things always change so it is inevitible that more and more be-ings are more highly evolved with expanded awareness(which is what the point of going through the signs and life tests is... expansion and eventual unity). More aware individuals simply percieve more then the average 3rd dweller who has lived few lives and is still entirly wrapped up in the ego and desires to the point of delusion (which is fine it's part of the process). The definition/labeling of such souls is less important then the concept itself. Again, this is about souls expansion into more awareness. The theory of Indigos and other more aware souls being incarnated is important because this is a time where we need more aware (or advanced/evolved whatever) individuals. This is not all about genetics and or astrology... this is much more profound and deep, and is not that simple to define and prove. Also, i agree with flea the internet (especially because no one can regulate the net) and other mediums have helped tremendously with bringing people and ideas together without being regulated or shunned/hushed such as in other times past.

I personally don't need hard evidence to define "Indigos" as some new term, call it blind faith if you wish, but in my experience... this metaphysical and Love and Light stuff is some of the only stuff that really make sense to me. I also don't care about the label, and again "Indigos" are nothing new... simply more prevelant and needed at this time.

Anyone can be this way, we are not special, we are simply more aware.

I hope this makes sense since I'm still figureing this all out for myself.... just my perspective. I see your arguement and hopefully you can see mine.

The universe is unfolding as it should... Love and Light.

[Agriias]

Ok, Going to try to address both of your posts at once.

Piscean fool- The genetics bit was more in response to Moulin's question about whether we are de-evolving. It is also just raising a possible explanation by believers in this concept. They may think that the stars caused some sort of genetic leap. As opposed to just a purely astrological effect that has no concrete form.

flea-I understand you may not like or agree with my argument. However, your response to my argument was an explanation. I understand the mythology is that the universe is unraveling into some age of spiritual evolution. The whole age of aquarius bit.

I'd it if you took the time to point out the evidence you are speaking of about meridians and electro-magnetic energies effecting us any differently than before. Are we really becoming more sensitive? Or are we exactly the same as before except right now im sitting with my leg rested on my desktop. We are surrounded by dozes of electric operated appliances. We have cell phones and radio waves and all sort of invisible influences affecting us that have nothing to do with anything supernatural. Nor is it likely to be causing the supposed awareness/gifts that "Indigo children" have. What is happening is the kids arent being influenced by energy, they are being influence by the technology and the extra educational/communication opportunities that they have and kids of the past havent.

If know one has lived through what we are living through before than how would you have any idea what your living through. And how would you know they didnt live through it.

And about people losing touch with magic and created city's because they more fit their environment. I think it comes down to people living in cities because agriculture was easier than hunting and created a surplus of food allowing people more leisure time. It was an easier and more enjoyable way of life. It is human nature to do what is easy unless the percieved consequences suggest otherwise.

i'll finish my response later gtg

[Sag Moon]

PisceanFool
You may be right as to the rulership of wisdom as Saturn rules responsibilities while Jupiter relates to how we deal with them.

I always equated Saturn with the wise old sage. I might have got that from Liz Greene for some reason.

It is still not listed as to what planet exactly rules wisdom so I imgine it is shared in some way as to how it works.Possibly through Me/Ju/Sa

As far as the major outer planet conjunctions I would like to find where I had read which each conjunction has produced certain individuals through the ages.There is a trait that has been studied as to when these conjunctions occur and this Indigo lable was not a part of them.

All planetary combinations can be used for il or good. One thing is for certain and that is people born under an influence are world shakers in some way when they are prominent or have certain combinations.

Like I said one asrologer listed what type of individuals influenced certain areas for good when certain conjunctions occur.

[Lapis]

:D You're right Agriias, most of humanity doesn't evolve - but some are now. Just because you don't believe it or see it yourself dosen't mean it isn't happening. There's much more going on than only polarized consciousness. ;)

[flea]

"What is happening is the kids arent being influenced by energy, they are being influence by the technology and the extra educational/communication opportunities that they have and kids of the past havent."

I will try to respond to this point, it seems to be a core issue. The moon effects the tides, peoples emotions etc etc anecdotal evidence has seen these ideas persisting. Astrology mirrors this with the changing signs every two days. There is also a guy called percy seymour who has theorised about a reason why astrology works; Astrology: evidence of science 1989. Looking at the effects of cosmic magnetism and how this relates to the field of astrology. It is a theory as I understand it of the impact of cosmic energy patterns.

So just as we experience the energy effects of what we create as humans, so we are experiencing the energy fluctuations of the universe.

How can one explain how people are not infulenced by energy?

Love Light Flea

ps there is evidence in western education of rasing intelligence levels..... Thom Hartmann maybe worth a read.

[Moulin]

Personally l think.. no, l know... that technology is damaging/harmful and detrimental on all levels to children below their teenage years.

Technology is a negative in this respect. TV is about the worst invention known to mankind. It raped us of our imaginations, our motivation and turned us into couch potatoes whom eat McDonalds and slob.

I don't have any tv in my house and my kids are stress-free, imaginative kids whom always find things to do when they are bored. They are not anti-social, don't run around like ****** power-rangers or pokemons and they use their brains 24/7.

Optimum ages of learning are being disregarded in favor of the good old ****** TV.

Also there is the minor point that 99.9% of tv channels are just mindless rubbish, a bit like most forms of media really.

*rant over* :)

[flea]

Moulin
tv is said to use less energy than doing nothing.... it has been said to induce brain waves of alpha theta and delta, although there is speculation that theta and delta are possible when awake. Alpha is a common brain wave meditation. People have an issue with tv due to these suggestible states that it induces.

I believe their is some evidence in research terms but I have not read it personally.

I have seen some of the partial section screens that are usually unseen if you are not concentrating. Your brain sees it but not consciously so the message drops into the subconscious. I have seen these on prime time tv in programs as adverts for companies sponsoring the program.

A little off the topic of transits, but one that troubles me somewhat.

Love Light Flea

[Indigo Danii]

This is a very complex discussion. I believe myself to be Indigo, however I do not say that as a label, but more of a way of life.

I have never labeled myself, never really fit in, or agreed with anything that seems to have a fixed label. I grew up in Salt Lake City where everyone is LDS, and ignorant to anything that opposes their view. Fixed religions never really made any sense to me.

I first read about Indigo's about three years ago, I just recently started calling myself Indigo. I just feel it in my heart, it rings true to me. It feels very nice to finally know that there are people out there that share my same view of this world. I lost myself way back in the 3rd grade. I forgot who I was, lost all self confidence, and never dared dream of anything. I thought I was a hopeless case, just because my views and oppinions are not like anybody else's. I felt like an empty vessel.

I'm no Einstein, but I'm no dummy either. I never really put any effort into school, never asked questions. I just did as I was told, and hated every minute of it.

As far as psychic and intuition goes, I'm exploring that realm. I have experienced Intuitive knowing feelings that always come to light. I seem to know how people are going to have a huge impact on my life, and I always know at least 1 year in advance that my life is about to undergo some major change. It freaks me out, makes me imagine the worst in things. I think I might be one of those people that absorbs people's feelings and emotions, and mistakes them for my own. Which in turn caused me to build up a wall, and shut down my emotions. But when I do feel, good or bad, it's deep. There are a lot of indications in my natal chart that indicates these kind of traits. I'm just not sure about how strong the influences are. But it might be wise of me to learn how to protect myself.

I agree that the ADD/indigo traits just might be getting out of control, and parents just might be trying to make themselves feel better by saying their child is Indigo. We need to be careful with that. I for one do not believe in drugging our children to make them behave in a more socially accepted manner. We need to explore more natural options. Diet's can also play a major factor in the way children behave.

I don't use Indigo to label myself as someone with special gifts and talents, I don't have an unusually high I.Q. , but I am a self learner. and I never really did put much effort into subjects that just did not interest me. I have views about God and this universe that came from who in the world knows. I've always just thought of God as pure, unconditional, energy that is inside all of us. That is what I am interested in, finding this energy, letting it wake up and transform me. I use the term Indigo to indicate that I am someone who is aware that their is so much more then what meets the eye. I use it to indicate that I am someone who is aware of the power of the mind. I use it to indicate that I am someone working on living my life through my higher self. To me, that's what it's all about. Evolution.

I am 29 years old. My life is getting ready to undergo some major changes. So far, all of the changes that have been made are internal only. I'm still waiting for the external changes. I'm scarred to death, but I also know that on the other side of all these transits is a new life, a new beginning. And hopefully a whole new me. I once read somewhere that Indigo's become more aware of who they are and wake up to their gifts around Saturn's return. I don't know where I've been in life, but I know where I want to go. I am following my heart, or so I think I am. My ego tells me that I am crazy and I need to be institutionalized for believing this stuff. My heart tells me I'm on my way to creating heaven on earth. For the greater good of all.

[RobinC]

I have never labeled myself, never really fit in, or agreed with anything that seems to have a fixed label. I grew up in Salt Lake City where everyone is LDS ..This has been an interesting thread. I have had similar experiences to those in I.D.'s post. I think identification of "indigo" may go more from the inside to the outside. I mean that some of us have dealt with the repercussions of some of our characteristics and feeling rather hopeless about that until we come in contact with others who have experienced many similar "pecularities" and struggled with similar issues. While this phenomenon of finding company where one has perhaps felt isolated for a very long time is not particular to "indigos", or any other specific group, I do think there are shared characteristics for those labelled "indigo" that have meaning. I've understood that the birth charts of "indigos" tend to have planets clustered in a few houses and a lot of houses without planets. The explanation given was that indigos tend to have very specific areas of talent and other areas where they are in need of much learning. I think this is what might be called a "bucket configuration" (?), but there isn't 100% correspondence, it's just an indicator, according to what I read.

BTW, what is LDS?

[Indigo Danii]

LDS= Later Day Saints, in other words Mormon.

[redwolf481]

Lissa,

you got my drift
"I think Tikana was funny with the Paris Hilton thing.I don't think she was trying to ofend anyone,she was just trying to show how absurd the definition for Indigo really is.I think the problem with this Indigo thing is that the whole concept needs re-difining...at least i think.Honestly,I don't believe in the existence of Indigo children,but I do believe in the existence of Indigo people."

I wasnt being serious about PARIS being INDIGO.. if she is indigo, god save us all. I dont think she is a bad person but she makes bad decisions.
the whole description, defintion and everything else is flawed. IT DOES need a closer look up!

here is my description of indigos

1. donates his/her toys after his/her birthday.
2. comes home with stray cats and asks to organize a fundraiser to get them adopted
3. found in the bookstore reading philosophy books
4. does not like to play with others but found speaking about subjects beyond his/her years
5. does not live for him/herself.
6. is not physically active but more mentally
7. donates his/her allowance money for a cause
8. never into causual dating. from day 1 looks for his/her soulmate
9. writes deep essays themes anything from spiritualism to after death theories
10. possibly is not interested in causual TV programs. you wont find him./her watching reality shows

The bottom line is INDIGOS may feel that they deserve to be here not for themselves but FOR THE OTHERS! that is what setting them apart from everyone else. Like i was saying Indigo color is literally undetectable meaning that these kids truly live in indigo sphere. They are on the mission to save others disregarding themselves. They get inspired by helping people.. Maybe Mother Teresa is a true indigo?


Back to you, gals and gents

Tik


actually I think paris hilton is a very powerful person.....her full name adds up to 11 did you know that...very very surprising(my name does too) thats not someone with a light life path...hitler was an 11 too......I believe he was an old soul who was given much potential to do good and became a victim of his life experiences intead of using them to shape himself.....and caused much harm...she could not be living up to her 11 energu but she is definatly a symbol of my generation(unfotunatly) her emphasis on materialism and many other things veyr much symbolise my generation

[Pisceanfool]

Yay my thread lives! And still delightfully off topic ^^

I think everyone seems to have some really good points. The whole ADD thing... meh.

"My heart tells me I'm on my way to creating heaven on earth." :banana:

It's been a long time since i posted here and when i started this thread i was a different person. The entire concept has been simplified in my mind into soemthing less disjointed and confusing. I don't know if i would even say I am one personally anymore, frankly i dont give a dam. Not like there is some test or something.

Indigo = Another phase in our spiritual evolution-it is mearly a concept not a label because it seems y'all hate lables and they are outdated and irrelavent neways. If anything it gives a sense of identity and connection because of how lost it seems to feel...

Traits:

1. Intuitive ability of some kind, which is fairly well developed or has the potential to be

2. Natural Critical Thinking abilities and intelligent application including realizeing solutions to the obvious flaws in so many social/religious systems.

3. A desire to help others and do soemthing about all this!

Sound good?