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04-16-2007, 11:01 PM
I'm a new member. Frankly, I'm a long time amateur ASTRONOMER .but I have always kept an open mind as to whether astrology has merits.
I now know that much of what astrologers claim is probably true, tho perhaps not for the reasons often presented,
I have determined that there is a very exact very long term periodicity to all movements of heavenly bodies. I first established the long term period during which the moon moves through it's permutations of perigee/apogee and eclipse variations. I then extended my knowledge base to planetary transits, conjunctions and oppositions. I now can predict/retrodict eclipse periodicity AND geographic location and the type of eclipse.
Further, and far more importantly, I can definitively link the timings with both extraordinary human behavior on certain days/years and to catastrophic weather and , most drastically, to the epidemic cycle.
I am seeking assistance in presenting my findings from persons with deep mathematical interest and ability.
Ron S. "SAPERE AUDE"
04-21-2007, 12:01 AM
Hi, Exmarine. Welcome. My oldest son was in the Marines for 6 years. I have the interest but unfortunately not the deepest of mathmatical ability. I'd be interested in hearing your findings though. I bumped into something rather interesting recently while working with the World Ingress chart I delve into Here (http://www.geocities.com/aquarianessence/current.html).
In comparing the chart for the first shooting in Blacksburg, Va. last Monday, I noticed that the Sun had moved to the degree of the Ingress Moon which was 26* apart in the Ingress chart. I got to comparing the longitude/latitude of Va. to Seoul, where he is from and noticed they are nearly the same latitude and about 14* further south than Greenwich, my Ingress location. When I realized this was quite close to the Sun/Moon midpoint of 13Aries, I printed out a map showing from US east coast to Greenwich. I then drew a line from Greenwich whose angle measured 13 degrees and guess what? It just so happens that the line toward the southwest runs through Virginia. It wasnt' a map showing states or towns but I have a feeling its very close to Balcksburg. If I had the deeper mathmatical skills you spoke about I could figure it out I'm sure. But I don't think it's a coincidence that this event happend there at that time. With the first shooting Moon was at 11Aries37, with the final shootings, Moon was at 13Aries12, Sun at 26Aries12 (moving 6' between shootings) was only 35' from Ingress Moon at 26Aries47.
If no one here is up to your challenge, there are one or two at MetaAstrology, a yahoo group, that is really into numbers.
04-21-2007, 12:46 PM
thanks for replying. I look forward to learning more about classical astrology as I want to attempt to meld my astronomical findings to the ancient knowledge.
I have my own take on the moon situation as the Virginia Techm massacre occured. The moon was hours away from New and the closest perigee of the year. Gravitational effects are driven by the inverse cube law so that effects are VERY substantially stronger ( in a NON- linear way) at the closest approach. ( My best speculation is that the Earth's magnetic field varies at that time, particularly at certain " focal"points.
That this may be true is suggested very strongly by the fact that many historical massacres happened at just such times.
There were two major Rwandan massacres: april 1994 and it's precursor, November 1959. Both at lunar extremes, almost to the day.
There were two Armenian massacres, 1915 and , I'm ging from memory here, I think 1896 (1898?), anyway, both were also at lunar extremes.
One of the most famous massacres in history, The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre of August 24, 1572 also occured on a lunar extreme day.
I have a lot more to say about this but I'm preparing for one of my first opportunities to speak to astronomers about my work tonight at a local symposium. Wish me luck!
04-21-2007, 02:05 PM
Great, best of luck to you. What you say feels very true. I look forward to hearing more. If what you say is true then that explains the when and what I discovered would explain the where, wouldn't it?
04-21-2007, 08:49 PM
I'm the math person refered to in this thread. I approach this as a science. I call it philosophical mathematics. I focus on meanings of number and apply it to both astrology and biorhythems. My results are simular to what Pythagoras came up with and I researched independant as possible from Pythagoras.
I have better resorces and tools than Pythagoras had. Consider what I can read and how cheep pencil and scrap paper are. I'm somewhat short of time but will continue this later. I'm at a library with my laptop and they are blinking the lights.
04-24-2007, 03:32 PM
I'm temporarily refraining from posting details of my mathematical astronomy, one, because it's fairly esoteric, and two, because I'm expecting recognition from the ASTRONOMICAL community shortly ( I've solved several age-old problems that are in the process of being vetted)'
Instead, I'll note a few more of my results in looking at extravagant human behavior at lunar peaks. (full/new and perigee/apogee extremes) For the non-science majors, perigee is the closest approach of the moon and apogee is the furthest retreat) There are 4 extremes per year 2 each at full/new. Every other month the moon is approaching or receding from the Earth.
Riots: Watts (8-11-1965) Full moon 8-12 and maximum apogee 8-12.
Detroit (7-23-1965) Full moon 7-21 and minimum apogee 7-28
Chicago Democratic Convention (weeks of rioting in mid-August to
August 1968) 8-17 minimum apogee and 8-31 maximum perigee.
Stonewall riots (gay "revolution") (began 6-28-1969) 6-29 full and
Civil War Draft riots (began 7-13-1863) 7-15 New and maximum
That's all for now. No, wait, I want to note that as scientist, I KNOW that the collection of "random" data and fitting it to astronomical periods is NOT how science is done. I want to stress that my results in finding long term astronomical periods was done the other way around.
I located a body of data (Great Epidemics) saw a distinct periodicity and THEN located the same periodicity in the movements of the heavenly bodies. THAT'S SCIENCE!
I look forward to working with your community in attempting to put Astrology on a scientific footing. (I think it's going to be relatively easy!)
04-24-2007, 04:32 PM
Great. The tendancy for upheaval at Lunar apogee is something most astrologers have know for some time. I see a lot of major quakes then too. I've been interested in getting to the bottom of the deviation of the pendulum that Alias observed at the total eclipse of June 30, 1954. They call it the Alias effect and it has been observed at other eclipses. Jupiter was also occulted at that eclipse. Sun was near maximum declination parallel Moon and Jupiter with Mars out of bounds.
Do you have a quick way of determining the 4 dates each year?
04-24-2007, 04:57 PM
WOW... i haven't been here for a while.. but wow, when i read this i thought that i should def try harder in life to follow what i like so far in atrology (i'm still recovering from depression (or trying to make something of my new life), although it's not bad as it used to be). i'm never too good with all the psychological intepritations either, esp because i'm fairly knew to being deeply interested in astrology. But i absolutely love the scientific aspect of it. i thought one day when i finish my education i will get into researching the mathematical and the physical aspects of astrology. i agree that astrology should be more scientific and i think with science astrology can change the way we see the reality.. i honor people like you.. Good luck... and pls keep talking... :)
04-24-2007, 05:00 PM
I don't question your science. I do simular with numerlogy and apply it to astrology harmonics and biorhythms. I call it philosophical mathematics.
What I do question and you as a scientist should also question is if the moon caused these events or if some third principle caused both events to happen at the same time.
If the gravity of the moon caused these events then that disproves astrology because the gravity from my mass has more effect on people around me than most planets. And the gravity of Earth...
If it were the light reflected off the moon than I should write "you should worhsip me" on the lens of a large flashlight and aim at those I want to control. Maybe it would work in traffic at night with my headlights.."pull over and get out of my way"
I think there are numerical forces that are present in the entire universe.
04-24-2007, 05:02 PM
Here's a nifty site to check p/a over many thousands of years in the past or future.http://www.csgnetwork.com/lunarpandacalc.html
i also use Fourmilabs "solar system live" a great deal. Just google it, select "entire solar system " in control panel. I recommend using the "images" setting rather than "icons" for clarity. Also, I recommend trying "equal orbits" as , again, it clears the pictures of the planets. If you understand computerese there are many viewing angles/positions possible for viewing the planets over many thousands of years!
04-24-2007, 05:31 PM
Re the cause of changes here on Earth, I have nothing definitive to say. However, I am able to speculate, with, I think, informed opinion, as to likely candidates.
You are probably correct when you say that the moon is not the causitive agent ( though we may both be proven wrong!) but I suspect that it does have SOME effect, largely through changes to the shape/size of the ionosphere, and consequent "leaking" of energy from those gigantics currents of charged particles that we see evidence of when the aurora bursts out.
The ancients long connected epidemics and the aurora. Since I HAVE definitively linked epidemics with the long term eclipse and perigee/apogee cycles, this is a rather strong clue to look in the moon's direction.
But, again, you say that it is more likely a stronger input that is responsible for both. I agree. That stronger input is the motion of the sun and the planets.
The sun move through an 11/22 year sunspot cycle with strongly varying output of particular wavelengths of radiation. All my cycle discoveries so far have 11 year multiples.
Also, the main cycles of the moon are directly related to the cyclic period (s) of Saturn and Jupiter, both with each other and with all of the other bodies in the solar system. (example: one perigee/apogee cycle for reversal of phase of moon (i.e. new/full) AND reversal of perigee/apogee dates runs to 9680 years (44x220). There are sub-haronics of 4477 (11x11x37 years and 5203 (11x11x43) years.
The Jupiter/Saturn long term conjunction /opposition cycle has a period that is identical to one of the harmonics:5203 years ( it is itself made up of two oscillations, 2662 (11x11x22) years and 2541 (11x11x21) years .
The solar/lunar eclipse cycles AND the p/a cycle are replete with sub-harmonics of both 2662 (e.g.1331 ,11x121 years ) and 2541 years ,21 x121 years. Often, lunar and solar eclipses alternate at the same day of the year at 968 year intervals (11x11x8 ) years ( which total 1936 years) or preceded by eclipses at 1331 year and 605 (11x11x5) year intervals ( which also totals 1936 years). Footnote: the 9680 year p/a period above referenced is also 1936 x 5.
If this "resonates" with you, I can send ( or with permission from the community, POST, more detailed info, charts, etc.
04-24-2007, 05:49 PM
You certanly have my go ahead
04-25-2007, 10:07 AM
This is a great tool. Thanks, exmarine1. The online ephemeris I use to find perigee/apogee only gives the date you input plus as many lines/days as you tell it. Not nearly as handy for this purpose.
Numberconsultant, I agree, every thing that exists vibrates to a certain frequency that can be represented by a number.
06-15-2007, 08:57 PM
Well, I may be considerably late but trying to get to know folks here I thought this a good start. It's a Pleasure to make your acquaintance exmarine1. Thank you for your service to our country.
Sooo, would you describe your simposium as a success then? What's next? After I learned of oysters being moved and reorienting themselves and their habits toward the new location and the lunar effects from there I could not help but wonder what other correspondences exist. As glands come under rulership by various planets could their function and hormonal effectiveness be altered by planetary activity? These have been things I've waited to see "discovered" or perhaps realized. Regardless, it's nice to "greet" you!
Has anyone else got an interest in eclipses? The online site I used to use just went "for profit" and I was hoping to locate a simple online source for eclipse locations over the years as they detail life purpose so interestingly. What some folks find in the nodes but isn't always looking accurate seems more accurate to the prenatal eclipses.
See you around exmarine1.:)
Take Care & Be Blessed!†! Ciao!
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