Horary Test: Will I aquire the pills in a month?

[SolarSiren]

Background: I had run out on my prescription pills, and would be short
on money to buy more for awhile. I put the feelers out in case someone would let me borrow theirs. So what happened next?

A) A friend came through for me.
B) Nothing & still looking.
C) Managed to find some on my own.

Hint - Check the Turned 4th(End of matters) from the 2th (Physical objects) cusp.

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[astro.teacher]

Why are you using the 2nd House for this question? Mars is the Lord of the 6th (Health) in the 10th in Pisces which has Triplicity placement Essentially and Accidentally is well placed (being in the 10th) which are both beneficial. As far as time restraints go, being placed in an Angle usually means days-weeks in length (in this type of question), Pisces also being a Common sign signifies the same length of time. Scorpio (cusp of the 6th) is however fixed which may lead to some delays in the timing (most likely to weeks rather then day).

Remember to keep on the topic of the question, its not about who will give you the money to pay for it, you asked if you will acquire pills in a month and therefore your significators are the Ascendant, the 6th House Lord(Pills), and the Signs in which they fall (being either Fixed, Moveable or Common). This will give you the time frame you are asking for.

[eedwards]

Hello SolarSiren,

I would also use the the second house to represent the pills because you are asking about obtaining your pills, (a movable possesion), and not specifically about your hear health, (a sixth house issue). I wouldn't however turn the chart because the question is about yourself (Ascendant - Gemini) and the pills, (2nd house - cancer).

Since Mecury is not making any aspects at the moment we would use the co-significator, (Moon), which also rules the 2nd house, (pills). The Moon is applying to a trine with Saturn, (ruler of your 10th house) and also to Jupiter Rx, (ruler of your 7th). The final aspect of the moon is a conjunction to the Sun, (ruler of your 4th house).

So, it looks like you will indeed get your pills. You will recieve help from a friend or partner, (Moon in the 11th house trine Jupiter in 7th). The help will come from someone who at first offered no assistance but has changed their mind or found a way help, (Saturn in the 3rd house - communication trine Jupiter Rx in the 7th house). The Grand Trine in the fire signs is very promising of a positive if not alternative outcome.

In timing we look at the significators, (Moon), first aspect, (trine Saturn in 4'59 degrees). We then use the house containing the faster planet, (11th house) and the planets placement in the signs, (Moon in Aries). The moon is in a Cardinal sign and Suceedent house - Days. You should recieve assistance in 4 to 5 days.

[wintersprite1]

Hi SolarSiren,

I noticed that you used the past tense, so the answer is already known?

Looking at the chart, we come up with a possible VOC Moon... It is past all aspects with the Traditional planets used in Horary, but then again not VOC when you see the applying square to Pluto. Well that said, we proceed with caution.

The reply is similar to Eedwards, but by using different houses. I have you as Mercury as the significator. I am using the 12th house for the pills. (Substances that alter are Neptunian). Taurus is on the cusp of the 12th so we use Venus as the significator of the medication. Mercury does sextile Venus, but not tight enough. Now the Moon, if considered VOC, has no aspect or event until changing signs. Nothing will happen until that time.

There is communication (the 3rd) with the retro (delays) saturn. The 3rd starting in Cancer (29 degrees) give the Lord of communications back to the Moon... which again isn't doing anything until changing signs. It is important to note that the Moon is in the 11th, the house of friends. The 11th's lord is Jupiter that we find in the 7th, trining the (delayed) Saturn. Using an acceptable 10 degree orb for the Moon, we see a square to Jupiter, that will no longer be square by the time the Moon changes signs.

Ordinarily, I would not look at Neptune BUT, Neptune (mind alter/drugs/healing) is just about as far away from Saturn rx (delays) as it can be (opposition) and Neptune is conjunct the MC. Note also Neptune is near the midpoint for the trine between Jupiter and the Sun.

Seeing that the Moon and the 11th (friend) are instumental, turn the chart and make the 11th the first. That puts Venus (the pills) in the second house (movable objects, trades).

I feel like I pointed out the obvious... this is this and that is that... so I will attempt to thread this together.

You had tried to get a hold of a friend. There was an unexpected delay, they were not were you expected, you may have had to leave a message. You did recieve the medication from your friend. It was around 2 hours after you asked the question.... (Moon being 2 degrees from changing signs... remember, nothing happens until then) It could be 2 days, but the Moon is the quickest moving body, so 2 hours feels more right.

PLEASE note that Mars is square Venus (pills)... Make sure it is the same dosage that you need.

TK

[archergirl]

Pills are a 6th house matter as pills are not possessions, nor are they moveable goods; they are medicine, which is health-related, and thus the 6th. If you are using recreational drugs, they might be considered a 5th house matter, but never the 2nd. You may as well swallow a chair.

[eedwards]

Archgirl,

I would normally use the 6th house in questions relating to pills, medication and health, (e.g. should I take these pills to get better,etc.).

However, Solarsirens backround explanation of the question clearly states that he\she doesn't have the money to purchase the pills and needed to borrow either money or pills from someone else - All 2nd house issues.

I think that many people automatically use a house because it normally rules the oject\subject without looking deeper into the question. This is why we ask for details before "jumping" into the question.

If you look at my original respone, I stated that I would not have used the 6th house. I did not tell SolarSiren that he\she was wrong about their method and I certainly didn't insult them by stating that they "might as well swallow a chair." I am sorry that my method does not agree with your own, however, it is my method and I stand by my answer.

[archergirl]

Hi eedwards,

I was actually just agreeing with astro.teacher's response as well as to the idea that pills are a moveable object. A chair is a moveable object. Pills aren't; they are medicine. No offense intended.

However, although I agree with you in general regarding carefully reading and understanding the context of the question, this question isn't fundamentally about the money, which *would* be a 2nd house issue, or perhaps 8th, if borrowing from friends. The question is, 'Will I get the pills?' and the querent has stated that one of the possible options was to borrow some *pills* from a friend, not money. Lack of money is one of the roots of the question; the other is running out of pills. The *pills* are the objective here, however, the end and not the means. The querent has listed several different ways by which s/he could obtain the pills, but s/he uses the term 'physical object' in the first post, by which we can assume s/he means pills, not money.

So I would still use the 6th. The querent should know that borrowing another's prescription is a no-no, but that is beside the point. ;)

Best wishes,
AG:)

[SolarSiren]

Alrightly that was fun! ... here's what happened guys....


I used the 2ND because while true, they do effect my health.... my health wouldn't be severly effected good/bad if I wasn't able to get them for a few weeks. No withdrawl symptoms that meditation can't help.
I simple wanted to Be Prepared as the Boy Scouts say. :)

The Moon is VOC true... Lilly explains a VOC Moon in Pisces, Taurus, Sag, or Cancer acts "Somewhat, or very unusually". (where she is deposited by Jupiter, Exhalted, or in Home sign)

After heavy duty cleaning my garage, at 1:30pm the same day asked, found a bottle with a few of the pills left (in a suitcase).

This could either be indicated by what Lilly said regarding the VOC Moon,
and also Mod Radu's antiscia method worked in this case.
(Turned 4th from 2H antiscia is 3-4 Aries, next Moon conjunction,
then Mercury(Me)

More Test Horaries coming soon, put some of yours up too!! :D

[wintersprite1]

My understanding of Horary has been the question is asked by the individual and a chart cast. OR a chart can be cast at the time of the understanding of the question by the Astrologer. When these rules were inspired, thought through, or just plain old made up.... the internet was not a reality. Is it a far stretch to say, when an Astrologer first reads the chart, it will be valid to his/her understanding of the question? We would then have multiple readings and each one different because at the time each individual Astrologer understands the question (which is additionally subject to individual insights) would cause the chart to be read differently each time. We have seen over and over in threads, that different methods are used, and usually the same conclusions are derived, if the chart is valid. I had hoped to convey that idea a little more clearly than I did.

The second house is for moveable possessions. I can easily see why Eedwards would have used the second. The pills are prescribed to a person... it is their possession (name even on the bottle). Borrowing, buying, and trading all can fall into this house also. SolarSiren's question was about getting the pills into her possession.... this is why I also used the 2nd from the turned 12th. As for the 6th, PERSONALLY, I would use the 6th if the question had to do with health... why do I feel like this, what is wrong with me, the kind of questions you would ask a Dr. As I stated earlier, I believe all drugs (presciption, recreational, overthe counter, alchohol, nicotine, antipsychotic, etc...), fall into the relm of Neptune and the 12th.

TK

[wintersprite1]

Alrightly that was fun! ... here's what happened guys....


I used the 2ND because while true, they do effect my health.... my health wouldn't be severly effected good/bad if I wasn't able to get them for a few weeks. No withdrawl symptoms that meditation can't help.
I simple wanted to Be Prepared as the Boy Scouts say. :)

The Moon is VOC true... Lilly explains a VOC Moon in Pisces, Taurus, Sag, or Cancer acts "Somewhat, or very unusually". (where she is deposited by Jupiter, Exhalted, or in Home sign)

After heavy duty cleaning my garage, at 1:30pm the same day asked, found a bottle with a few of the pills left (in a suitcase).

This could either be indicated by what Lilly said regarding the VOC Moon,
and also Mod Radu's antiscia method worked in this case.
(Turned 4th from 2H antiscia is 3-4 Aries, next Moon conjunction,
then Mercury(Me)

More Test Horaries coming soon, put some of yours up too!! :D

This is very cool, thanks for posting the chart. I can see where I deviated off course. I ASSUMED that a friend was involved. So I turned the 11th for the friend instead of turning the 12th for the pills. Had I done that instead of going off on an assumed tangent.... the turned 12th would have Gemini on the cusp of the second.... Mercury would be in possession (you). And the VOC Moon after changing signs, would aspect(sextile) Venus (pills) within 4 degrees (hours)... which falls into your time line. Sigh, and Venus was hidden in your 12th...

Hindsight Astrology, where I am at my best :rolleyes:

TK