Astrodienst Ephemeris Has Been Altered...!!!

[piercethevale]

Terribly upset...I just found out that the astrodienst.com web site ephemeris has been changed ...all charts now generate something different than that of before..some subtly...some not quite as subtly... It seriously comprises all integrity at astrodienst and I can no longer use it..and it was the only ephemeris that was reliable...it altered the infor a bit too radically for those charts I had that were for the current situations and those that were of major importance for next year...it even altered the chart I have for Jesus/Yeshua...as to a degree that is sickening... even my own birth chart ...which I know by heart... and as my brother did one originally in 1983-4 [the old fashion way] that was near identical to that of the one astrodienst had given for me in the past ..and now it's a bit less identical.. the fact that the one for my birth in 1953 is not nearly as altered as that for those for I've got on file for this year and next year nor the ones I have for 2000 years ago...indicate to me that this cannot be the result of some "correctness"... as the curve of of non consistency is not uniform through the ages...
This has effectively shut me down! I can no longer do any astrology.
If I were to claim "foul", as I suspect this is, and the fact that [most very probably] not a single astrologer has ever gone on astrodienst to cast one for themselves of any chart I've ever produced will only allow astrodienst to claim that I am most likely the perpetrator of such, myself...that is if in fact this altering of the computer ephemeris is indeed something 'FOUL". As I notice that astrodienst is now displaying advertising ..this probably means that someone or some corporation or whatever has bought that web site and the first order of their business was to change...[...IMHO>>Compromise] the computer program.
It's been a very depressing day ...

Update, July 31, my natal chart is now as it was originally cast by astrodienst, as to this oddity, it may be quite probable that I thought I saw a change in the chart. But< I can't say for sure that it wasn't changed and then changed back, either.

[Moog]

hmm, the charts that I've done today check out okay to me

how/how much have they altered?

[piercethevale]

Here's one. It's for the Uranus conj. the USA natal chat Part of Transformation that is based on April 15, 2013 at 1:04 pm and is cast for my locale in Orangevale, Calif., that is based on my claim that the proper and true chart of the USA is 12:00 mid night, July 4, 1776 and compare it to the one I have posted at this thread which I cast last April 12, 2012. [In this one even the Universal time is different by one hour.]

It is in post #2 ..the rectified chart that I corrected to 1:04 pm as the first one in the post #1 is for 1:00 pm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48758

[piercethevale]

Here's another. It's the Jesus/Yeshua chart of mine that I know by heart. go to my thread in the Degree Symbols sub forum and compare it to the one I'm attaching here on this post that I made today.

The thread... and check the chart on post #25.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13271




..and the chart I made today..

[piercethevale]

I could go on...apparently my birth chart does still comes up the same...
It's those dates and charts for controversial subjects that are strangely different now.
I was up through the night doing some Astrology analysis for my friend Clarisse. I thought I would finish around 4 am...it took me til 8am..and then I figured that as it was already daylight here that I would go to the bank and get some cash and pay a couple of bills that needed my attention... I got back here at my apt. a little before noon..and wanted to refresh my memory as to the event for next April r.e. Uranus conj. the USA natal Part of Transformation.
I found that I had not downloaded a copy of it so I went to astrodienst and had it make me another one... and noticed something oddly different from what I thought I recalled. Knowing that I had posted one here in the thread I had on the subject and subsequently discovered this change... and then I checked a couple of other charts I have filed and found those to be different from what astrodienst is producing today...checked the Yeshua/Jesus chart found that had changed...but oddly, others were still the same.
I called Clarisse and told her of the situation and that quite possibly all the astrological work I had done for her over the last three days was compromised and indeed have found a couple of discrepancies in that huge bulk of work and effort...and as she is a top notch and highly regarded and acclaimed clairvoyant, she will be doing a "LOOK SEE" into this situation and will get back to me...

...but, this doesn't appear to be "GOOD" at all... if any part of the computer ephemeris has been altered then I can no longer depend on it.
Not being able to depend on astrodienst is the curtain call to my astrological endeavors... [:bandit:although I have an old girl friend whose father worked at NASA and quite likely, just may be able to help this situation out as the astrodienst ephemeris is based on their "Skyglobe" program...:ninja:]

but...as for right now...I was planning on getting some sleep over 12 hours ago... and sleep I will.

Keep the faith!
ptv

[Kannon]

Why don't you ask someone at Astrodienst about this? All the staff and programmers are listed on the site.

[piercethevale]

Why don't you ask someone at Astrodienst about this? All the staff and programmers are listed on the site.

Actually...I've been expecting something like this for awhile...

Once there's been a compromise such as this, I don't trust the "program.'
I've got enough to keep me busy for awhile...just won't be doing any historical astrology or conjectural forecasting.
I've also got enough material to write a book...maybe enough for two.

I was real busy the last three days, working with Clarisse's natal chart doing progressed charts and some looks and analysis of both her present and immediate future.
I can't [and won't] compromise her privacy so I can't produce the evidence [her natal chart] but as I finally got around to working out all the astrological Parts that utilizes the Asc. as the personal point, the Planets and or Luminaries as the significator and as the trigger...along with all the "Hermetic Lots", Part of Hyleg, Part of Destiny etc., that I was able to really see and understand a lot more about her. [after having known Clarisse for almost 10 years now...

As she and I have been anticipating this year into the next ever since I was introduced to her in early 2003. As I have found a number of astrological connections to many of the key astrological events the last few years and to those in the present and near future to that of my own natal and to progressed charts of mine ...and had seen a few to Her natal as well on occaison, that is to as much as I knew what to watch for...but, now these past three day, I had a fair sized list of items to compel me to finally pour over her 'constellations'. I assumed I would spend about a day and a half at it...it turned out to be about a good 4 days time.
One thing that still has me a bit 'cock-eyed' is that the aforemention event next April 15th of Uranus conj. the USA natal [my proposed chart, which I'm pretty well convinced of] Part of Transformatio is that I had meat to retrieve the event chart that I had filed for Philadelphia at that time [as I use the original "birth" location.] I somehow got the one for my locale that I had in my computer files and didn't notice that it wasn't the chart I meant to work with.
I'm rather glad I had picked the wrong chart.
As I had calculated all the Parts above that I mentioned of Hers, I was stunned to find that the M.C. for that event next year for Folsom, Calif. is the same as to with 2' of a degree to Her natal Part of Destiny, and that the Desc. of the chart was nearly as close at that to the exact conjunction of Her Part of Service [and I have found that the Part of Service is about Spiritual service, consistently, for those individuals that I recognize as the New Age Exemplars in the world.]

Interestingly, also, is that this past days Uranus/Pluto/Mars "T" square which involves my Part of Unusual Events [Asc. + Uranus - Moon] at 08* Aries 26',and which said event was also concurrent with the New Moon at 26* Cancer 57'' ..is that I had found her Part of Unusual Events at 27* Capricorn 33'. ..and if this 'program breech' over at astrodienst wasn't an 'Unusual Event'...I don't know what is.

But to add to that I found her Part of Sudden Advancement to be at 07* Capricorn 45'...but I also observed a Part I haven't had a chance to work with before, for which the formula given is that of... Asc. + Sun - Uranus, and it is so identified as being the Part of Individuality, or by some astrologers, called as the Part of Intellectuality, and Hers so happens to be at 08* Capricorn 58' [and Her "Part of Positive & Helpful Change" ... Asc + Pluto - Jupiter ... to be at 05* Capricorn 49'...
...that there is a Part of "Subtle or Hidden Changes'...{Yeah, straight up!} ... Asc. + Pluto - Neptune ...which for Her is at 05* Aries 38'...

A Part of Identity , also identified as the Part of Influence or that of Oration ... Asc + Saturn - Moon ... which for Her is at 05* Pisces 52'...{right where Neptune has been playing a 'tune' ..over and over recently} ..and also, Her Part of Fortune is in the 8th degree of Pisces.
And Her Part of Fortune is conjunct my Hermetic Lot or Part of Courage in that same degree of Pisces.

The, so called, Part of Astrology...or Eccentricity, {and some day I, hopefully, will nail down what this should be properly titled} Asc. + Mercury - Uranus {again with Uranus!} that for Her natal chart it comes to 26* Capricorn 57'....opposite the New Moon { and I should mention that my Part of Nobility and Honor is at 26* Capricorn 08'}

Also Her part of Success ... Asc. + Jupiter - Part of Fortune ... will soon be conjuncted by Uranus in the 13th degree of Aries.
There's a Part known as, the Part of Energy, or Stamina/Libido ...Asc. + Pluto - Venus... and that for her is at 09* Capricorn 38'. ...and Pluto itself will be crossing right through that degrees
That Her Part of Brotherhood ...Asc. + Jupiter - Saturn ... and Her Part of Happiness ... Asc. + Uranus - Jupiter ... are conj. my Part of Destiny and my Asc.in the 17th degree of Scorpio...
Her Part of Harmony ... Asc. + Sun - Venus ... is conj. my Part of Friends ...Asc. + Moon - Uranus ... {can you believe all this Uranian energy!} in the 26th of Gemini.
Her Part of Praise ... Asc. + Venus - Jupiter ... and her Part of Intelligence ...Asc. + Mars - Mercury ... are conj. my natal Jupiter in the 30th degree of Taurus.
Her Part of Liberty, or Temperament ... Asc. + Sun - Mercury ... is conj. my natal Sun and Desc.
Her Part of Galvanization ... Asc. + Moon - Pluto ... is conj. my Mid Haven and Part of Fortune.
Her Part of Royalty and or Kings ... Asc. + Moon - Mars ... is conj. my natal Moon and nadir in the 25th degree of Aquarius
Clarisse and I have our mutual Parts of Imprisonment ... Asc. + Part of Fortune - Neptune ... within 30' of a degree to a perfect conjunction, but in adjoining degrees, in Virgo...
Her natal Lilith and her Part of Faith/Trust is conjunct within 01' of a degree to my Part of Sudden Advancement in the 20th of Virgo...
...and I could go on quite a bit more as to such other similar synastry between our astrological matters of mutual orientation were in all for the most part in some sort of 'cross association' with those of the other person and from what I believe I'm seeing is that it would appear to me that she might have been my daughter in a past life....hmmmm, I'm going to have to ask her about that one some day!

...and as big a 'stunner' was the revaluation that she was born with 3 of the 4 points 'occupied and validated', to exactly those degree points, of which that she would need to be so in order to complete a perfect pentagram to Her Asc. ...Her ascendant which happens to be, in near perfect conjunction to my natal Mars, in the 5th degree of Gemini. ...A pentagram based on one point of the five being the Asc.

...and I just spent a few weeks researching the Venus/Sun conjunctions and had been studying Quintiles and Semi-Quintiles and from which I only just learned of the important understanding of that by observing my own chart and Mid Haven ...as there is much to know about that by the study of the two..
...and now I discover Clarisse has a near complete one by birth to her Asc. ...and in the next few following months...and thus I'll be getting to observe even more Pentagram/Chart Axis drama unfold and learn from it in the few next weeks to follow...

[piercethevale]

Why don't you ask someone at Astrodienst about this? All the staff and programmers are listed on the site.

Hi Kannon. I finally did e-mail astrodienst as to this anomaly only last night {Saturday eve here in California} I had originally figured that they got hacked and would rectify it themselves post haste. Not knowing exactly when the change had occurred but that it had been over 10 days since I discovered this and no correction had been made...:annoyed: I figured it must be time for me to carry the ball...once again... ["Boy, you're gonna carry that weight...a long time...." The Beatles]
My eyes, ears and noses in the field are giving me their input and I can say I definitely don't like the "way the wind is blowing" from the early weather forecasts. As many of them say the weather vane is pointing from Switz. to across the Atlantic...the North Atlantic.:sad::sad:

[piercethevale]

I also posted #16 & #17 at this thread today with yet more [and quite very interesting] evidence for all to consider.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50787

[piercethevale]

Here's the reply I got this eve. from astrodienst:

"I am afraid I have no idea what you are talking about.

But using Gregorian calendar in 003 is a bad idea. Use Julian Calendar,
please."

[piercethevale]

Uh...Huh
Uh...Huh
Uh...Huh

Dance...Dance....Dance...

[piercethevale]

...and my reply...:tongue:



Oh Really?
I suggest you go to the link I provided and look at it...or maybe I should have everyone that sees it and knows what I'm talking about e-mail you also.







...btw...Bumpity Bump...!:lol:

[Jules9]

If you are an astrologer, you presumably possess a printed ephemeris in book format, at least for the 20th century.

Why don't you compare it to the online ephemeris published by Astrodienst, which covers several milennia.

It is found here: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

If you find relevant differences, you can make your case with Astrodienst support, and point out exactly what differs in which position.

You may be aware that the complete code for calculation of astronomical positions developed by Astrodienst is open source and public (see Swiss Ephemeris). It is widely used throughput the astrological programming community.

In this community - of which I am a member - it is rumored that Astrodienst is occasionally asked by US government agents to change the planetary positions for certain dates, in order to cover up some historical issues which need to be kept a national security secret. Astrodienst then sends messages to the programming community to also implement these changes, by installing a so called ephemeris update.

This is common practice with most software created by US companies, which implements backdoors for important interventions by security services. It is a little known fact that two years ago, Astrodienst has been secretly bought up by anonymous American investors, but continues to pretend to be based in Switzerland. Astrodienst staff revealed this in a mensonge hidden in a so called easter egg hunt two years ago, but the evidence appears to have been removed from their website.

[piercethevale]

If you are an astrologer, you presumably possess a printed ephemeris in book format, at least for the 20th century.

Why don't you compare it to the online ephemeris published by Astrodienst, which covers several milennia.

It is found here: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/swepha_e.htm

If you find relevant differences, you can make your case with Astrodienst support, and point out exactly what differs in which position.

You may be aware that the complete code for calculation of astronomical positions developed by Astrodienst is open source and public (see Swiss Ephemeris). It is widely used throughput the astrological programming community.

In this community - of which I am a member - it is rumored that Astrodienst is occasionally asked by US government agents to change the planetary positions for certain dates, in order to cover up some historical issues which need to be kept a national security secret. Astrodienst then sends messages to the programming community to also implement these changes, by installing a so called ephemeris update.

This is common practice with most software created by US companies, which implements backdoors for important interventions by security services. It is a little known fact that two years ago, Astrodienst has been secretly bought up by anonymous American investors, but continues to pretend to be based in Switzerland. Astrodienst staff revealed this in a mensonge hidden in a so called easter egg hunt two years ago, but the evidence appears to have been removed from their website.

Hi Jules, I sure do appreciate the fact that you've taken the time to write and provide this info you have.
It is frustrating and discouraging to have to wonder if no one else is seeing a problem here or if I'm the only one that does get "erroneous" astrological charts from that website or if I'm not in fact in a coma some where and this is all some sort of dream...one of the type that seems just like real life and then gets steadily more and more bizarre, like them "Nightmare on Phlem Street" movies [which I never could watch as I hate those kind of movies]

I do have to ask, Jules. Why would I need to go through all that you've suggested? I've posted the charts that are now different for the exact same data that I inputted previously along with the original chart that was produced. The fact that I have no way of knowing how, or the technology to, or reason as to having forged those original charts, [and MOST certainly, as to having, no reason to]. Nor would I have had a reason to do so as far back in time, long ago, as in the summer of 2001, for the earliest attempts I made at snooping around the alleged time of the birth of the "Man from Naz." ...which I resumed the following year on a couple of occasions when I went to the local library here in Folsom at that time. I never owned a "personal computer" before late 2006 [and really never wanted much to do with them...still don't...].
This is exactly what I was talking about in a thread in which I tried to explain to another member that Edgar Cayce hadn't gave out four different dates for the birth of Yeshua/Jesus but rather only one, and that you have to understand that Cayce spoke in a manner of syntax that made it difficult for people to understand him clearly at times Edgar was once even asked while in 'trance mode for a reading' whether He wouldn't try to speak more colloquially so as to let people understand Him better?
Edgar replied; "Better thy thou your understanding"
I posed a challenge to all members involved in that thread as to why would Cayce let people believe He had given out four different dates and what possible advantage could there be as to that?
Only the member who uses the name, "Mark", got it and also replied.

I had suspicion that the US gov't is involved in this. It's because of the recent chart I produced last March [just prior to my emergency visit to the hospital and subsequent operation] the one I claim to be the natal chart of the USA.
I appreciate your telling me the truth about astrodiensts sale. I noticed the 'advertising that has "suddenly appeared"...just as it did at this forum.

[I]~AND~
If what you tall me is indeed the "Truth", or if at least enough of the re-accounting is, specifically, as to certain elements of it ...

[I]~...THEN...~

Now, I know, and most validatingly so, that it is because I'm not only good at identifying true charts, or valid contenders, but rather more than likely the best there is as to any Sabian Astrologers [which ain't saying much, considering how few there are in the world apparently at this time and what demonstrations I seen from them to date.] for people of such renown and notoriety such as Yeshua/Jesus but also more recently with charts for an abstract entity such as a nation, as I had done with the chart for India in 1947 when it regained its' independence from England and subsequently with the chart I produced in March for the USA. Still being protested, doth a bit, too much methinks! by a member or two here at this forum... as I do always attach the obligatory disclaimer to it, that it is my belief that it is to be such as and that the issue is known to be unresolved at present...although it wasn't "unresolved", any longer from then on, for me, only after a few minutes of studying that chart, for the first time. That one of which is the result of many hours of study, some experiences I wouldn't wish anyone to have to endure, of my own producing, for the natal of the U.S. of A. ] but given the fact that if I hadn't there would be no reason to try to alter the data, if some one had known the true dates and times as to their-selves prior, then why try to change that of what I claim to be that of the natal of the USA [that one so minute and insignificant astro object I put in some charts for a reason I have, known by some as to the name 'Eris', and why by such an insignificant amount of unit of division of one single degree as One minute or One second of a degree. To now try to change the data for that date that I point to in next April that I can only point to by using that chart I claim to be the natal of the USA to produce an 'Astrological Part/Lot that the, so called, "Traditional" Astrologers say doesn't even exist nor should it be even considered to be suggested that it might [as it utilizes the Planet Uranus] which also bears a somewhat ambiguous, and unproven to be accurate, 'Title' of that which it has, known as "The Part of Transformation", these actions are about the worse thing anyone could do in an attempt to keep something secret for the fact that they call attention to it? Certainly to those of use that are astrologers or believe ourselves to be so [School of Technique and beliefs withstanding, thank you] not to mention the mass of Humanity that would see any sort of such action as nothing even worth their time to verify "Because, everybody already knows that astrology is just a lot of 'hog-wash' any ways!"

Then... As to, NOW change the data, given for that date in 003 AD, that Edgar Cayce had provided years before I was even born, and for anyone, let alone if it IS THE directive coming from Wash. D.C. to actually do so, and to NOW change that ...do I have to draw anyone a picture? [and I've pointed out that ABC News, Reporter/Journalist, Charles [Charlie] Gibbons, said on the day the previous Pope of the Catholic Church died on, which was the 2nd of April, that He felt that the Pope had held on... fighting to stay alive only so as He COULD DIE that day, and the He remembered hearing from someone, or some source, he couldn't recall, that told him quite some time back in the past that, that day April 2nd, was the true birthday of Jesus. {although it only became April 2nd since it turned 2001 A.D., due to the whole mind f*** of a system that the Gregorian Calendar is. It is, as for the effort it takes to avoid any confusion that ensues when ever one tries to convert a date from Julian to Gregorian Calendar, and which rendered the Julian Calendar date of the birth of the Jewish carpenter, from March 19, to April 1st since Pope Gregory instituted it. I believe that is the correct account about that...I can't quite recall, but it had indeed been April 1st for a couple/few centuries until it became 2001...}]...

I'll just stop at this point and let anyone that reads it a day or two to digest this and give it some chance to settle in...

...then I'm coming back to this thread in a couple of days {like the correction I just made now some hours later...}] and I'm going to pose some, what I consider to be, important questions ...

[piercethevale]

Greetings once again, Jules9.
I gave consideration as to what you wrote, as to comparing to, and by,. I t does have a nice and useful logic to it. any printed ephemeral log., although it is a bit less as trust worthy the further one goes back in time.
I also gave thought to the 'Eris' oddity as it being the sole aspect of change, and so slightly too...
Maybe someones way of saying to just primarily consider whether "Eris" is a benefic or a malefic...

The loss of being able to do composites has me a bit bummed the more since I only thought of that too just moments ago. I had been doing a composite chart of many politicians and the U.S. of A. natal of mine. I knew that they were indeed a valid chart of enough importance to take seriously but, I wasn't yet convinced as to how much one should and what to what exact extant.

Yet I had tried it with that chart of Yeshua as out of curiosity more than anything. As I stated in my book, that from what I learned I have no need for such as to an 'Archetype' or 'Avatar' as the very WORD of Creation is my 'Archetype'.

[Sweet Pea]

Can you guys recommend a decent printed ephemeris available on amazon?

Sad to hear that astrodienst has been infiltrated.

[Anachiel]

There is the New American Ephemeris

http://www.amazon.com/The-American-Ephemeris-21st-Century/dp/0935127593/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1345732958&sr=8-3&keywords=ephemeris+1900-2050

http://www.amazon.com/American-Ephemeris-Century-2000-2100-Midnight/dp/0976242230/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345732958&sr=8-1&keywords=ephemeris+1900-2050

Used it is very inexpensive. Probably a local bookstore and/or library also has it. Many computer programs can generate one as well if you want to print the whole thing out.

If you decide to go the book route, then you will also need a Table of Houses if you go the whole nine yards. Currently the only Tables of Houses are for the Placidus and Koch systems:

http://www.amazon.com/Michelsen-Book-Tables-Horoscope-Interpolation/dp/0935127607/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1345733121&sr=1-2&keywords=Table+of+Houses

[Sweet Pea]

Thank you Anachiel. :biggrin: