JUPITERASC
06-07-2012, 07:43 PM
This thread is intended as a focus for discussion on the topic of why Jupiter and Saturn may both be regarded as generational planets and is inspired as a direct result of a brief discussion on another thread which was on a different topic.
My ephemeris confirms that Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit the Sun and Saturn takes 30 years to orbit the Sun - additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.
These specific spans of time are interesting because those figures IMO chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation” being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able to produce a child of their own
JupiterAsc, you're using a different definition of "generational planet" than I am used to. Not that either is wrong, but definitely different!
What I have read about generational planets would specify, for instance, the "Pluto in Scorpio 'generation'", relating to an age cohort of people born while Pluto transited Scorpio. Or "GenX". Or the "Me Generation", which pretty much defies definition IMO.
Most of the uses of generation in astrology pop-psych shorthand bear little relation to the way a human generation is commonly defined: roughly 20 years, a not very specific average for the time it takes for a baby to grow up and produce offspring.
Why is it then that "astrology pop-psych shorthand bear little relation to the way a human generation is generally defined"?
After all, 12 is an age at which many humans are capable of reproduction and therefore IMO Jupiter's 12 year orbit around the sun places Jupiter firmly in the category of a “generational” planet. 12 year old parents are not considered unusual in many eastern countries BUT in western countries it is considered child abuse/a criminal offence. However, the worldwide reality is that children aged twelve frequently do become parents – perhaps more so in eastern rather than western countries.
Jupiter conjuncts Saturn only every 20 years and it is not unusual on a worldwide scale to find that many become parents at that age. Thus Jupiter-Saturn counjunctions are IMO linked in "generational" terms
Saturn's 30 years orbit of the Sun is more representative of those who choose to be parents at what IMO westerners in general consider a more appropriate age for the mature responsibility of parenthood.
The foregoing considerations confirm IMO why Jupiter & Saturn are indeed “generational” planets because their respective orbits of the Sun as well are their conjunctions are in tune with the "generational aspects" of human reproductive behavior :smile:
I agree that, in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable - that's because some produce offspring very early, and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens. However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career' before then producing offspring later in the 30's. The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:
IMO
(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west' very young - i.e. 12
(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west' to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30
(3) A neat combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions then would IMO nicely represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 20
However, as I have said the particular thread I originally made that comment on was not intended specifically for a discussion of whether Jupiter and Saturn may or may not be regarded as “generational” planets and so in order to continue the discussion, I have commenced this thread :smile:
My ephemeris confirms that Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit the Sun and Saturn takes 30 years to orbit the Sun - additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.
These specific spans of time are interesting because those figures IMO chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation” being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able to produce a child of their own
JupiterAsc, you're using a different definition of "generational planet" than I am used to. Not that either is wrong, but definitely different!
What I have read about generational planets would specify, for instance, the "Pluto in Scorpio 'generation'", relating to an age cohort of people born while Pluto transited Scorpio. Or "GenX". Or the "Me Generation", which pretty much defies definition IMO.
Most of the uses of generation in astrology pop-psych shorthand bear little relation to the way a human generation is commonly defined: roughly 20 years, a not very specific average for the time it takes for a baby to grow up and produce offspring.
Why is it then that "astrology pop-psych shorthand bear little relation to the way a human generation is generally defined"?
After all, 12 is an age at which many humans are capable of reproduction and therefore IMO Jupiter's 12 year orbit around the sun places Jupiter firmly in the category of a “generational” planet. 12 year old parents are not considered unusual in many eastern countries BUT in western countries it is considered child abuse/a criminal offence. However, the worldwide reality is that children aged twelve frequently do become parents – perhaps more so in eastern rather than western countries.
Jupiter conjuncts Saturn only every 20 years and it is not unusual on a worldwide scale to find that many become parents at that age. Thus Jupiter-Saturn counjunctions are IMO linked in "generational" terms
Saturn's 30 years orbit of the Sun is more representative of those who choose to be parents at what IMO westerners in general consider a more appropriate age for the mature responsibility of parenthood.
The foregoing considerations confirm IMO why Jupiter & Saturn are indeed “generational” planets because their respective orbits of the Sun as well are their conjunctions are in tune with the "generational aspects" of human reproductive behavior :smile:
I agree that, in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable - that's because some produce offspring very early, and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens. However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career' before then producing offspring later in the 30's. The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:
IMO
(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west' very young - i.e. 12
(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west' to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30
(3) A neat combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions then would IMO nicely represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 20
However, as I have said the particular thread I originally made that comment on was not intended specifically for a discussion of whether Jupiter and Saturn may or may not be regarded as “generational” planets and so in order to continue the discussion, I have commenced this thread :smile: