What a difference a day can make

[wintersprite1]

I am going to share a few events that caught me by the wayside, and had me look closely to transits being made to my chart.

With out going into too much detail, I have been going thru some, mostly physical changes. Health problems I had been struggling with have reversed themselves and then becoming a Vegitarian...(thanks Captain ;) ) has started this process of weight loss from what I believe to have been put on in the first place out of feeling "blocked" and like a zombie. (seriously, had to go get new clothes last night... everything is melting off!)

This morning, I sat down with my husband of 8 years. Over a cup of coffee, we decided it was best to get a divorce. No anger, no fights, just a resignation, it was time.... long past due time. He really is a wonderful friend, and he is going to work with me to make the transition as easy finacially as possible. We had it all mapped out within an hour and ended on a really civil note. Family had been called and informed and details being worked on all by noon.

Why didn't I see this coming... well, I kind of did... but why was it so smooth and such a relief to both of us? I looked at my natal and transit planets and was almost shocked at what I should have noticed before. I missed some of the aspects, and did not look at our composite transits... but suspect there is so much more there. This definately gives me a better feeling that it was some how "fated", and we are doing the right things for all of us.


tran Neptune 20.05 Aqu conj natal Saturn 20.15 Aqu

Saturn tran 20.50 Leo found in 7th and opposed natal Saturn 20.15 Aqu and trans Neptune 20.05 Aqu

tran ma 25.08 Cap conj natal asc 22.14 Cap

tran Neptune 20.05 Aqu square natal Neptune 17.08Scop and mc Scop17.24and natal Juno20.26 Scorp and wide orb natal Palla 16.01 Scorp

tran nn 16.09 Pisc opposed natal Pluto 14.11 in Virgo

tran Mercury 7.47 Pisc opp natal Uranus 9.59 Virgo

tran Jupiter 16.49 Sag square natal 14.11Virgo Pluto

tran saturn 20.50 Leo square nat mc17.24 Pall,16.01 Nep 17.08, and Juno20.25

natal Moon 6.27 Cancer and nn 11.11 Cancer trine tran Merc 7.47 Pisc and Sun 0.34 Pisc

tran Uranus 13.58 Pisc oppose natal Pluto 14.11 Virgo



tran Pluto 28.17 Sag trine natal vertex 27.08 in Leo/7th house


There are many more on the same theme, any one that wants the charts, pm me.

TK

[2rainbows]

Hi wintersprite,
there are many of us going through a process of moving away from all and anything that keeps us from growing and many times long term
relationships do keep us from growing and we originally incarnated to expand.

if you want me to take a deeper look, i'll need your birth info.
in the meantime, sharing a story.
last mother's day i said a prayer for the burden of all mothers to be lifted. the very next day, my husband brought up divorce in with very freeing wording and my youngest still in diapers flooded my head too (i must say this was not the first time he brought up divorce, but this time he was right on schedule with my prayer, and part of the burden with my daughter in diapers included the expense of diapers.) very clearly stating these two aspects made up the extent of my burden. and i felt the most powerful wave of freedom when my husband brought up divorce. perhaps just having these two aspects of my life in bright spotlights and seeing the freedom flag waving grandly was enough for me to shed the burden. we are still together and since then i have had another clear idea that (unless there exists severe abuse), children need both their parents, and my baby is out of diapers.
so will we be among the many couples who separate when the children are about to venture out on their own wings??? very hard to know, i feel we have what it takes to allow each other to grow and we have til then to work on the ability to be in a relationship which allows optimal growth for us both. so time will tell.
2rainbows

[Moonshine]

Hi 2 Rainbows
I can relate to this post so much. At the moment I too feel that things have gotten stuck. Yes, I too have put on quite a bit of weight. Yes, I feel as if I too am being held back. I feel I should move on but having been married for so long I don't know whether this is how it should be or is it time to make a change. Would you tackle my chart for me and see what is "fated" for me.
I just know I need to do something but when,what how and why is a mystery.

Any help would be most gratefully received

Moonshine
My birth chart details are June 6 1950 - 5.10am - Oxford - United Kingdom

[wintersprite1]

Hi wintersprite,
there are many of us going through a process of moving away from all and anything that keeps us from growing and many times long term
relationships do keep us from growing and we originally incarnated to expand.

if you want me to take a deeper look, i'll need your birth info.
2rainbows


Thank you so much for the response. I was feeling kind of vunerable on posting the information... but, when I saw the transits, I knew that I had to share this. We had been many times at the point of breaking up, but I think it was the children that always came first. He really is an incredible man, the children's real father was very abusive, my youngest didn't even know him. Their father died years back and my husband stepped up to the plate. He, husband, has made sure all of their needs had been taken care of and is now planning to still be in their lives and help out with medical and any other need I may not be in the position to supply myself.

I think what I am most amazed about is how this has been building up for years. In the last few months, we emotionally drifted further apart, we didn't even bother fighting anymore. The last few weeks were spent sort of laying out the ground work... with comments being made to each other in the spirit of realizations.... then boom, the Saturn aspects and Neptune hit exactly conjunct or in opposition to the very second, and it was like, now this is the moment. Neither one of us were upset or shocked and we were quite candid. There was no blame, we took our own responsibilities for earlier actions. I think this is a case where it shows when Saturn's lessons are learned, the process is painless and sometimes rewarding. I had been told by someone recently, that I was going to be experiencing the Darkest Night of the Soul. I had the same thing said on Astrodienst daily reading for yesterday. What should have been that day, instead was a few tears spilled for would of, could of, and should ofs. I believe the lesson was indeed learned.

Now for posting this info... I felt compelled. I recently was working on another "fated" type occurance that out of the blue fell apart. I was wondering just how accurate Astrology really was... and then when I looked at my transits, there was the proof.... still don't know about the first fated incident though...

If you would like to look further, please feel free, although it isn't nessessary as I am at peace with this

9:31 AM Zaragoza (saragossa) Spain on December 30th, 1963

Thank you again, your post meant alot to me,
TK

[twiggy]

Dear Wintersprite

I think destiny tend to take us in the right direction and even though it was for you an amicable decison, it is a big change and you are vulnerable. An amicable divorce is the best solution, but be careful not to "amicably" shortshift yourself. Even though in this situation, you feel in control, it is a very good idea to get professional advice and help. This is what happened to me; after 10 years of marriage to my husband, we decided to go our seperate ways. I had only stayed in the marriage for the last 5 years for the sake of our three children. I was happy to move on. He, on the advice of his father, drew up a financial agreement very quickly. It was "amicable" and I never sought any legal advice whatsoever. The small amount of cash I got saw me out for a few months. It seemed reasonable to me at the time to get so little, as I somehow felt guilty to go. I was also in a state of high vunerability and my emotions were cloudy and stunned. I left my children with him as he was a farmer, with a good network of family and friends, and was going to do well financially. I on the other hand, hit the city at age 32 with no job, no education above year 12, no friends, and no family, with 10 000 USD. I did not put up a fight about the children, it was an "amicable" descision. Once again I sought no legal advice about the children.

It was only as time went on that I realised I was totally powerless to actually do something for myself. I tried uni but found it difficult to support myself at the same time. I was stuck in low-paying jobs. I had no experience working as I had been on the farm all my adult life. I did not see much of the children as I could not take time off work in their holidays. The agony got worse an lasted for 6 years.

My ex-husband on the other hand, increased his wealth with the land purchases that we did together, and is well set up for his retirement. I eventually sought legal aid, but was to exhausted to even go beyond the first meeting, AND would not be able to even afford a next meeting. My paperwork regarding the divorce was scattered or lost. And most of all, I had "amicably" signed the papers regarding the terms anyway.

Another aspect of this is, you must consider his possible posible future partner. When my ex re-married the tone changed over the the years. He got very bitter (because he still loved and missed me) and became hard to deal with. Partly because they were a new entity and she was able to push her demands and needs. Secondly, as they were themselves having stresses, the reasons were directed at me. Ie I was painted the villain and regarded as the culprit for their stress. She wanted me to look after the children so she could have more time off, Even though they lived 200 kilometers away. I should share the costs etc. They chased me for child support, even though part of the verbal agreement between us had been that I would go without demanding too much money, and he would not ask me to pay support, as I would need a long time to set myself up..and he was asset rich! So what happens is that the man you amicably split with can grow into an entity of two! I ended up not having a say about my children's lives at all. My 'amicable' agreement made me absolutely powerless, penniless, with no rights.

My message is;

Don't be fooled into verbal agreements of him taking care of his step-children's medical bills atc. My experience is that when bitterness sets in, and new partners come on the scene it's good to fall back on an initial fair divorce. Don't trust that your husband will 'look after' certain aspects of your life.

The astrological aspects that enabled you to come to a conclusion peacefully now, may not be so favourable to you in one or two years to come. I never for once looked back on my marriage, it was well and truly over and done with. And I have met a very special person but I still wish those six years had been easier and that I had respected myself better and stood up for myself, because no one else did. Try to be clear minded about your rights and don't feel you need to give up ground because it is a mutual descision, so that you can be in a better position to continue your life with your children. Regardless of themnot being his etc. think what you brought to him, that it was a union between him and you, and your rights in relation to that.

Only well meant & goodluck.

[virgo96019]

I agree with Twiggy, getting your own legal counsel may prevent any future regrets and conflicts. Make sure all is fair, I chose not to get a lawyer for my divorce and just be done with it, he would have put me through hell anyway. My loss? about $50,000 profit he made on "our house" when he sold it shortly after, how dumb was that?!

[wintersprite1]

Twiggy, and Virgo,

Thank you for the advice, it is really appreciated that the both of you reached out with concern.

I had originally posted because I was so amazed by the transits.... they are awesome from the point of studying Astrology. I didn't mean to stir up a need for sympathy... I am good, really.:)

I am a Capricorn when all is said and done. The house and the cars are in my name alone. This was decided at the time of the purchases. The children, they are mine, they were never adopted but currently are covered by his insurance. I am pretty much covered and by both of our blessings now and at the time of the said purchases. I have always provided for myself in the past, and even though a little anxious, I will be fine. I don't want alimony or any child support, I just need some help in the next year of transition.... and we spent today paying bills one year into the future.

Before we got together in the first place, I listened very carefully about how he spoke of his ex's and any interaction he may still have had. I saw an honest and respectful person and knew I could trust him. There is a time where you grow in love and can say, "Wow, you really are not happy here and not being true to yourself.... I can love enough to let you go to be what you need to be". The hard lesson I had, was to remember to love myself that much too.

Again Ladies, thank you so very much for your words of wisdom. I am sure as others read this thread, they will find your important message personally apply to themselves also.

TK

[twiggy]

I'm glad you are going to be OK, Wintersprite.

Transitions are so interesting. For years I only half believed in astrology, wanting some proof to make me look at it more seriously. I've got it now, and it's happening every day. Just delved into transitions, played around with astrodienst to see if there was anything going on in my partner's and my charts at the time that we met and lo and behold - I could pinpoint down to the day - 31st of May 2006 - that Saturn finally transited out of my partners 7th house. That was the day that I flew across the country to join him, ending a decade or more of his bacherlorhood!

Best Wishes.

[2rainbows]

Hi wintersprite,
-first thing i found is north node conjuncting moon; with this, it would be to yours and others great benefit to incorporate meditation into your daily routine. some of us are better off without routines, and some of us are better off with them, you may be better off with them. north node squaring jupiter inhances your need for daily meditation. north node sextile pluto
gives you a good ability to leave the past behind and operate in the NOW, and it is very important for you to ensure you rid yourself of the past. you also have enough changes in your life to counter the effect of living with routines.
-it is definitely more important for some people to be with Mr Right than others and you are likely one of the ones who would be best off with
Mr Right, and Mr Right is rarely the one you had a long term marriage with;
i do not consider these marriages unneccessary or a waist of time though!
-sun in house 12 is quite challenging, it typically leads one on a very long journey to find themselves. and again another reason supporting a healthy dose of meditation.

some things to think about as to where to go with your life now- derived from sun semisextile venus, though not exclusively, and this is likely to come as a surprise; i would look into doing some non sexual escort work.
i feel you have a wonderful ability to blend work and pleasure. there is very good money in this work and it takes a lot of back bone to stand your ground. however, if your work is better geared toward females than males, then perhaps look into doing some personal assistance for women.
an afterthought, the above assumes some escort services do not have some young age requirement, these are not really n.s.escort services anyway!
this placement could also indicate massage work, surely so if n.s.escort service completely turns you off or is not feasible to you. -mercury in house 12, mercury sextile neptune and mercury sextile MC seem to be very good placements for writing and writing would also be therapeutic for you.

-meditation will also enhance your immune system and therefore your health.
-you are probably better off not being married and/or living with a man.

Moonshine, i will look into your natal a bit later.

2rainbows

[2rainbows]

I am back to look at things for moonshine, but wanted to clarify something with Wintersprite. i said both, that you are likely best off with Mr Right and that you are likely best off not being married/cohabitating, both of these are valid. i believe optimal respect dwells between two people when they each have their own space to go to at the end of a day even if they do not utilize separate spaces. marriage and cohabitation has a great tendency to drain respect between two people. Wintersprite, if any of this goes across as hard to understand, let me know so i can try to clarify things further.


The first thing i want to say regarding Moonshine is you share the same birthday (different years) as my mother-in-law And one of my best friends. my mother-in-law has a heavily challenged life and my friend is going through severely stressful changes.
An odd, but important note, in helping out my friend- recently, i find that mercury is transiting my 9th house and am clued into the fact that this could cause us to miss important life appointments, so pay extra attention to possibly missing out on opportunities during this transit!!

Moonshine, do you have children???? some of your placements insist you have children and/or have a very important role in the life of children, and some indicate you are better off not having children.

i have all the faith in you that anyone else in your life may have lacked in giving you including yourself!! and it would help for you to work on accepting and loving yourself as you know someone should be loved and accepted; you will need to do this more than once or twice :) !!

-do beware of dictatorial tendencies (my mother in law has this!:) )
-gardening is a good source of therapy or outlet for you.
-regarding your extra weigt: food doesn't speak back to you, perhaps you should begin giving voice to your food, your chart suggests to me your weight is mischanneled vitality. hmmm, children like to play with food, give your food your voice, what is it saying to you? does it play with you to eat it or tell you to withgo it? play with your food. play is sure to give some extra energy to vitality.
-my mother in law must have mars in house 5 too!!, practice foot in mouth!!
-i guess extra challenging lives increase the internal feeling of vitality, so there is surely subconscious pay out for choosing a very challenging life.
if you suffer pains and/or insomnia, it seems to me that these are also sources of vitality fixes. perhaps knowing this will make life challenges easier to deal with and even welcome them trusting that they are feeding into your vitality.
in any case, you are surely a force to be wreckoned with!!

Giving and receiving thanks!!
2rainbows

[Moonshine]

Hi 2rainbows
No I do not have children - and yes I can be a bit dictatorial.
I think as far as food goes I can take it or leave it however living with someone who loves their food can be a bit of a problem. I think when you say vitality I think thats whats missing at the moment. I have nothing really to aspire to - no challenge - and no vitality to get started. Tell me do you see this changing or is it just the transits to my chart that is giving me these feelings. Does your mother in law feel anxious at the moment over no reason.
Has she been suffering with any ailments. I have since 2003.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated. I also like to do my own thing - being on my own does not bother me too much as long as I am able to go out and socialise once in a while and again this is a problem being married to someone who is quite antisocial.

Moonshine

[2rainbows]

Hi Moonshine
excess weight is typically a physical representation of your vitality, but it is trapped in your body. just try playing with your food, go to town with finger foods so you can play with your food with your hands, just like kids do.
this will give extra curricular energy to your eating habits and eventually rechannel energy/vitality so you can feel vitality instead of see it.
watch a couple shows on very obese folk, this should be a sure detyerrent for the rest of us to close the door to obesity!
and also my husband reinforced what i had said concerning pain being tied to vitality, though mischanneled energy.
Nicholas Cage played an angel in some movie and he, the screenwriter and director were quite good with portraying that pain both physical and emotional is an incredible idea/notion to an angel; angels have to be in a realm of neutrality to be effective, keepers of Divinity and Universal laws and givers of unconditional love, so there cannot be more love from angel to one terra being over another. in short, as long as there is pain, there is life/life force/chi.
as for as you and your husband, if you'd like i'll look into your synastry.
2rainbows

[wintersprite1]

-it is definitely more important for some people to be with Mr Right than others and you are likely one of the ones who would be best off with
Mr Right, and Mr Right is rarely the one you had a long term marriage with;
i do not consider these marriages unneccessary or a waist of time though!

I know, Mr Right had always been my downfall. I am very attuned at recognizing a Karmic relationship immediately, but, sigh always at the expense of this Mr. Right. The mistake I make, is trying to make Mr. Rightnow into this nebulous Mr. Right. I think there is something to the NN and the Moon in Cancer in the 6th... I will feed and take care of anything that comes my way. And it hasn't helped having an empty 7th with Cancer on the DC and filled with all of Leo, and a bit of Virgo.... Yes, I fall for needy Drama Queens that eventually drain my resources dry.


-you are probably better off not being married and/or living with a man


Lesson learned and I hear you loud and clear.



i would look into doing some non sexual escort work.
i feel you have a wonderful ability to blend work and pleasure. there is very good money in this work and it takes a lot of back bone to stand your ground. however, if your work is better geared toward females than males, then perhaps look into doing some personal assistance for women.
an afterthought, the above assumes some escort services do not have some young age requirement, these are not really n.s.escort services anyway!
this placement could also indicate massage work, surely so if n.s.escort service completely turns you off or is not feasible to you.


That is kind of funny. I remember being about 21 and thinking... I should create a job where people pay me to go have coffee with them....LOL
I currently volunteer with different organizations and am planning to work with domestically abused women when my schedule frees up a bit. I can not drag myself away from party politics. I know that I will have to find a way to work within this arena. Unfortunately, elections are every 2 years, so at this point, even working on a great campaign would only pay for every other year. I need to pull some political favors... I always wanted to say that... and see what I can do off season.

Thanks so much for taking the time to look into my chart and the accurate advice you have given.

TK

[Moonshine]

Hi 2rainbows
My birth data you already have - my husbands is 5 May 1948 co-ordinates
52.0 N 1.00W Unfortunately there are no records of recorded time. It is a general given that it was in the morning but not sure (Gemini/Cancer is a probable) and yes I would absolutely love you to do a synastry - warts and all please!

Moonshine

p.s. thank you for your recent post.

[2rainbows]

Hi Moonshine,
going out on a limb here, but making sure as a i assume, your hubby was not born in Russia somewhere? that is what 52n, 100w got me. i think your missing 52n_ and 100w_ !

wintersprite, i had a good laugh on your comment considering charging the gents to have coffee with you!!

Cheers!,
2rainbows

[Moonshine]

Hi 2rainbows

It is 52.0N and 1.0W (like mine was 1.15W Oxford)
Is this right (Place is only 20 miles from Oxford)
No he definately was not born in Russia

Moonshine

[wilsontc]

rainbows,

...your hubby was not born in Russia somewhere? that is what 52n, 100w got me...

You went East instead of West, and that is why you got Russia. 52 n 100w is in Canada. Here is a handy tool for finding where latitude and longitude are:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp

Just remember to add a "-" sign if longitude is South or latitude is West.

Geographically,

Tim

[2rainbows]

Hey moonshine, i am finally getting to your synastry, using oxford. if oxfordshire is more approprite, let me know.

Tim, i made a goof, it was 1W not 100w

be back in a bit

[2rainbows]

moonshine,
how long have you two been married? and how long did you date beforehand?
this looks to me like a very strong feeling of 'doing time'.
however, not having his sure birth time might make things a bit better, and the one purely positive placement i found was jupiter trine ascendant which could be in err because of not knowing the time. this placement is the glue in your relationship for better for worse.
i wish this could be a little rosier but some of us did indeed choose the hard road. in this case, know that karma is being balanced.
2rainbows

[Moonshine]

Hi 2rainbows
We have been married for 37 years (I know its a long time)
You might ask why bother at this time of life and after so long but I just feel that I need answers to loads of questions. We dated for nearly four years.
Doing time is a good description - mind you I am not sure which one of us is doing it.

Moonshine

[wintersprite1]

Yes, I fall for needy Drama Queens that eventually drain my resources dry.

TK


I said that like it was a bad thing... :60:

I was thinking about this a lot last night and there is some truth to the need I have for charismatic, individuals. They create the balance I so desperately need. I spend so much time and effort on "the masses" that I need someone to bring my attention back to the individual one on one type relationships. I don't have any planets in Leo, or in the 5th. The Sun is hidden in Capricorn in the 12th. All of my planets are dignified in either sign or house... except the Sun... I am the ANTI LEO :eek:

So, I guess I better rephrase that.... I fall for charismatic individuals that allow me to balance out my own needs.... better?

TK

[freedomlover]

All of my planets are dignified in either sign or house... except the Sun... I am the ANTI LEO :eek:
:38::rotflmao:

[2rainbows]

moonshine,
enhancing what i said about doing time. if this is more or less the case, then you and he made the choice to stick things out through thick and thin and you chose this to balance past karma, so if it is hard to be delighted by anything else, be delighted to know that karma is being balanced, and when the job is finished sweet freedom should ring.

i really like wintersprite's reply about eating some yogurt for what ails you, do try this before trying antibiotics which kill all things good and bad.

2rainbows

[Moonshine]

Hi 2rainbows
Thanks for the reply. Any idea when the job will be done?
Can you tell me more about the two charts. How they interact and especially personality wise

Moonshine

[2rainbows]

Moonshine,
i believe your freedom is entwined in each other. you need to put a spin on your relationship, shift it, otherwise it will stay in neutral, and this likely will draw on your nerves. a lot of us have the luxury of putting off our mate because of children, you do not have this luxury. and 37 - 41 years is nothing that should be given up lightly, nor is it something that should be taken for granted. find or make reasons to give each other thanks, or simply be vocally thankful on an 'as is' basis.
2rainbows
ps, perhaps we get an idea of where our lives would go throiugh the choices other people make. ex, if my husband's parents did not divorce, they would likely be able to fit your shoes, conversely you or your husband would never have remarried and the other would have!.

[Moonshine]

Hi 2Rainbows
Thank you for your very sensible advice. Of course you are perfectly right.
I think I am just a little fed up with life as it is at the moment and when I get like this I just want to get out and run. I think that when my Saturn goes into my fifth house and makes the journey to the midheaven I will be alright. I think by that time I will have a new perspective on life and probably a new interest i.e. job or hobby which will absorb me. Do you agree with this?

Thanks again,
Moonshine

[2rainbows]

i think you need to come up with something new you can do together. especially if you are the one that's been pushing him around.
remember you can start fresh whenever you want, you need not wait for the stars to align for the best convenience or a birthday or anniversary.
it may be uranus is the only influence your marriage has to cause some commotion in your relationship and after so many years one planet,
no matter how powerful, it will take a back seat to habit. so you and/or he need to give uranus more power, and just believe shaking up the relationship won't shake it away.
tell him straight out you'd like to give some life to your dormant relationship. perhaps start with no tv for one week, and make sure the time in front of tube is substituted with something(s) else. tell him some cute chick on a forum told you to do so, anything to put some spins on what normally would occur!
almost at the end of,
2rainbows!!!