USA natal Part of Distress

[piercethevale]

...a late breaking ...WOW

The Part of Distress [Asc. + Mars - Saturn]

27* Libra 35' 43"


Note: Sept. 15, How totally embarrassing. It is Sagittarius and not Libra that the Part of Distress is in... The math , as to the enumeration of the degree, is correct. It is the same as the Part of Peril, as the Part of Peril formula is Asc. + R8 - Saturn...and the Part of Distress is Asc. + Mars - Saturn. Mars is the ruler of the sign, Scorpio, which is the sign of the 8th House cusp.
I apologize for my sloppy work that evening.

[piercethevale]

Btw...
[as I just did the calculations.]
The Part of Death [Asc. + C8 - Moon ...which proved it's veracity to me in application to the chart I have for the physical death of Yeshua/Jesus which is based on the chart I propose is that of Yeshua/Jesus born April 2, 03 AD @ 5:23 pm {near present day} Bethlehem ..as it came up the 30th of Pisces for that]
...for the USA natal here comes to 01* Capricorn 11' ?" [as no seconds of degrees are given for the Houses other than the axis Houses]
Note November 9, 2012. The above statement is in error. The numbers are correct but the sign is Aquarius and not Capricorn I apologize for not correcting this post sooner and for any inconvenience that it may have caused. ptv

The Part of Divorce [Asc. + Venus - C7, ...not necessarily a Marriage but can indicate all partnerships as the formula is opposite for the Part of Marriage/Partners ] for the USA natal is 02* Capricorn 13' 43"
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The Part of Basis [Asc. + Part of Spirit - Part of Fortune, ....Day Formula, per recommendation of Dr. Farr in another thread in the Trad. Only sub forum..and to which I subscribe to in general for all Parts myself anyways.]
13* Sag. 07' 15"

Part of Treasure [Asc. + Venus - Mercury] 29* Pisces12' 40" [note part of Commerce is 29* Pisces 44' 19" ... the 30th of Pisces being the embodiment of the 'Archetype' in fused into the material realm ...the most 'rock solid' manifestation of it... Very Spiritual! ..if interpreted in that vein... as is the 1st of Libra the former being the 'Involutionary' finale to the 360 symbols and the embodiment or manifestation in the material ...Libra 01* [the perfection of a Being who has gone through the catharsis of transformation [the Sabian Symbol is a 'A Perfect Specimen of a Butterfly Impaled by pins and Upon a Display Stand" [so very Christian in it's symbolism, as Elsie Wheeler was undoubtedly a very spiritually minded woman of 'Christian' orientation and thus the degree was seen by her in a manner germane to her own beliefs. A Hindu clairvoyant would no doubt see it as their own model of such perfection, as either Krishna, Rama or their Satguru, A Buddhist would have no doubt seen the Buddha his self, a Moslem in a way appropriate to their beliefs and so on, et al ] being the 'Spiritual Evolutionary' finale [liberation from the material realm, 'Maya', and the completion of the 'Conquest of the Illusion of Maya']...or the 'Path of True Discipleship' which begins at Virgo 30* and goes in inverse order through the 360 degrees of the Zodiac [following the direction of the Moons Nodes which symbolize the meaning of any astro influence at any time as to what it means to Humankinds progress out of the Illusion of Maya...cessation of the cycle of re-birth/re-incarnation.. i.e. Moksha! ~ in Vedic knowledge
Compare to the Part of Faith @ 29* Virgo 10' 32" The 1st degree of the Evolutionary cycle of the 360 degrees of the Zodiac and represents The first step of the Path of True Discipleship and the journey that culminates with the 'Conquest of the Illusion'

fyi ...
as the 12th house cusp is of the sign Pisces and as I belief the Planet that was once the now scattered debris known as the asteroids to be the ruler of Pisces and have no way to determine any formula for Astrological Parts/Lots utilizing the 12 house cusp or the 9th either for that matter as I believe Sagittarius to be ruled by the same. Those of you that wish to know any of the Parts that call for either in the equation are on your own...for examples; the Part of Assassination, the Part of Bereavement and the Part of Secret Enemies as they all require the Ruler of the 12th in the formula for calculation...[pity too as those would be of the utmost value to any American concerned about the welfare of His Country.]

[piercethevale]

two more and I'm calling it quits for today...
The Part of Tragedy/Fatality [which I have found gives the answer to what ones Life meant to the world upon your Death as the one I got for Jesus/Yeshua is summarily defined by Rudhyar as the Beautiful Necessity ...the symbol being that of a very Old yet Sturdy and regularly used bridge over a stream... easily understood by those of you of the Christian faith as He is known as ''The Bridge to the Other Side" and sometimes called the "Bridge Across the Stream to the Other Side" as well
for the USA natal it is 28* Cancer 33' 09"

Part of Fraud: [Asc. + Neptune - Mercury] 19* Gemini 23' 24"

ps Part of Peril [Asc. + R8th -Saturn] 27* Sag. 35' 43"

[CapAquaPis]

PtV, I hope you knew the connection of 1 degree Capricorn (the part of Death for the USA) and December 21st is the first day of the solar sign of this zodiac associated with depression, decline and internal crises. :andy: The USA's part of Divorce is the following degree or roughly the same time.

The Mayas, ancient Egypt, Nostradamus and according to some historians, John Adams himself was keenly aware of ther 12/21/2012 prophecy. One of our founding fathers and 2nd president of the USA, Adams himself was into astrology and mysticism (the Freemasons and Illuminati); and he once commented like a prediction in the time range of "200-210 years" either in 1787 or 1801 that "the United States and democracy will last no more than two centuries". The years 1776 and 2012 are 12-25 years off the prediction.

Another finding I have was the Civil War began on December 22, 1860 (the 2nd degree of solar month of Capricorn) when the state of South Carolina seceded from the US and the following month: 11 other southern states left the union plus Texas to established the short-lived Confederacy (CSA) to only been defeated by the vigilante union in 4 years in the Civil War.

[Mystical_Communism]

I find it funny that you people believe in 2012 and the Illuminati. If you want to know when the next major crisis for the USA is, its very easy. Every 84 years since the beginning of the country there has been a major war which has redefined it domestically and internationally. Its based on the 84 year Uranus cycle.

1777 (height of the revolutionary war) + 84
1861 (Outbreak of the civil war) + 84
1945 (End of World War II) + 84
2029 (??? Major War for the US of A)

Also, lets think simpler than the Arabic part method and also just look at the 248 year Pluto cycle ... 1776 + 248 = 2024.

Thus, as astrologers, without resorting to sophistry, we should be able to deduce there will be some kind of crisis in the USA between the years 2024 and 2029.

[piercethevale]

I find it funny that you people believe in 2012 and the Illuminati. If you want to know when the next major crisis for the USA is, its very easy. Every 84 years since the beginning of the country there has been a major war which has redefined it domestically and internationally. Its based on the 84 year Uranus cycle.

1777 (height of the revolutionary war) + 84
1861 (Outbreak of the civil war) + 84
1945 (End of World War II) + 84
2029 (??? Major War for the US of A)

Also, lets think simpler than the Arabic part method and also just look at the 248 year Pluto cycle ... 1776 + 248 = 2024.

Thus, as astrologers, without resorting to sophistry, we should be able to deduce there will be some kind of crisis in the USA between the years 2024 and 2029.
...Simple is ... as 'Simple' be.

[piercethevale]

PtV, I hope you knew the connection of 1 degree Capricorn (the part of Death for the USA) and December 21st is the first day of the solar sign of this zodiac associated with depression, decline and internal crises. :andy: The USA's part of Divorce is the following degree or roughly the same time.

The Mayas, ancient Egypt, Nostradamus and according to some historians, John Adams himself was keenly aware of ther 12/21/2012 prophecy. One of our founding fathers and 2nd president of the USA, Adams himself was into astrology and mysticism (the Freemasons and Illuminati); and he once commented like a prediction in the time range of "200-210 years" either in 1787 or 1801 that "the United States and democracy will last no more than two centuries". The years 1776 and 2012 are 12-25 years off the prediction.

Another finding I have was the Civil War began on December 22, 1860 (the 2nd degree of solar month of Capricorn) when the state of South Carolina seceded from the US and the following month: 11 other southern states left the union plus Texas to established the short-lived Confederacy (CSA) to only been defeated by the vigilante union in 4 years in the Civil War.
We've had Dec 21sts for a good 235 or so years... I'm not going to play no 'Chicken Little Rap' music for ya ...
This is only the 'Part of Distress'... Not the Part of Fatality...
The Part of Death [Asc. + C8 - Moon] has never proven itself to be an 'Aspectof Active Interpretation but rather an aspect of Symbolic Inspiration..as to the Inspirational Imagery that is left behind by the memory/presence of an persons life..
As Jesus/Yeshuas' was the 8th of Aquar. Read. {Rudhar}:

" (AQUARIUS 8°): BEAUTIFULLY GOWNED WAX FIGURES ON DISPLAY.


KEYNOTE: The inspiration one may derive from the appearance of Exemplars who present to us the archetypes of a new culture.


We are dealing here with the fixed symbols upon which a culture is based, with mental archetypes. They are kept and made available as patterns to imitate, or at least from which to draw new motives for inspiration. We are at the stage of vision: new forms are revealed to the consciousness, as well as new ways of meeting other people in social relationships.

This is the third stage in the sixty-second sequence of five symbols. In a sense the generic human past and the future are implied here. The wax figures are impersonal forms. The gowns constitute a static presentation of ideal patterns; yet they are the PREFORMATION of what will be experienced in the culture being born. They herald new collective developments."

Go sell 'Crazy' somewhere else...huh, please? This Nation is a 'little full up right now.'

This Nation shall endure!:cool::ninja::wink::rightful::innocent::big grin:

[Mystical_Communism]

...Simple is ... as 'Simple' be.

So, like, Mr. Vinland, without resorting to another played catch phrase do you agree with my surmization of 2024-2029 being a critical time for the USA or not?

[piercethevale]

So, like, Mr. Vinland, without resorting to another played catch phrase do you agree with my surmization of 2024-2029 being a critical time for the USA or not?

...I used to live near Sunland... above the 'Shadow Hills'...through which we rode to the Valley of the Sun.... and Vinland was the name of a nearby shire road... but... that was a looonngg time ago...Soooo, in anwser to your ?... I just got back from a 12day stint in the hospital for diverticulitis and they....ripped.... me a Neau Juan...
So..... be patient and I'll getback2U...:wink:
once the Morphine drip wears off and the 21 staple gun salute has faded from memory... and...after all we got ...12 years to worry bout it yet...
mean time...:bandit:

[piercethevale]

I apparently fouled up a few threads that I started right after I got out of the hospital last April.

The Part of Distress for the "Zero hour, July 4, 1776 natal chart is in the sign of Sagittarius, not Libra as I had announced. The math for the degree is correct.
I sincerely apologize for this error and for letting it 'sit' for so long without recognizing the fact and rectifying it.

btw... I wasn't belittling your post, Mystical_Commie, but rather lauding it for finding the 'simplest' common denominator.
I often try to remind people that the Universe and Nature doesn't seek out to be anything more complex than it needs to be...not IMHO.

There does seem to be a bit of destiny with the nation of the USA and Uranus for some reason.
The Part of Transformation [Asc. + Uranus - Mars] for the USA natal chart we're using here is @ 09* Aries 29' 49". It's were Uranus will be next April 15th.
Uranus was discovered on March 13, 1781...that was the 72nd month of the
American Revolutionary War...I just couldn't resist pointing out that number, 72. On the day it was discovered in 1781, it was 72* from where the Sun was in Aries on the day I have for Yeshu'a/Jesus being born, which was 11* Aries 53' and on the day of Uranus' discovery, the planet Mercury, it's 'Lower Octave' was @ 10* Aries 28' 40".

[Uranus on the Day the Man from Nazareth was born was @ 08* Aries 13'. ...my Part of Unusual Events {Asc. + Uranus - Moon}, is @ 08* Aries 27']

Pluto, on that day, was @ 06* Aquarius 08'; that is the South Node of the Natal USA chart. The USA natal charts' Part of Eros is @ 06* Aquarius 25'. It happens to be my natal North Node and it also happens to be one of the five points of a perfect pentagram matrix [5 aspects all 72* from one another] constructed to the M.C. @ 0* Cancer 46' of the natal chart I have for Yeshu'a. [The other three points are 12* Virgo 46', 18* Aries 46' and 24* Scorpio 46'.

The Part of Fortune for the USA natal chart is @ 25* Scorpio 41' and it is conj. the pentagram matrix point in Scorpio by less than one degree of orb.. On the day Uranus was discovered Jupiter was @ 27* Scorpio 25'. and Jupiter was conj. the USA PoF by less than one degree of orb. ...and, rather queerly, the zero hour chart for the day Uranus was discovered that I cast for Greenwich Eng. has a PoF at the 6th of Cancer which is were Jupiter is on the USA natal chart.

It may interest you all to know that on the natal chart i have for Yeshu'a Neptune is @ 24* Scorpio 26' and the North Node is @ 13* Scorpio 18'. The Part of Service for the USA natal chart [Spiritual Service is what the Part truly represents] is @ 13* Scorpio 49'.


On the day Neptune was discovered Sept. 23rd, 1846. The event chart I cast for the zero hour at Greenwich, Eng. the day of discovery. The Part of Fortune for that chart is the 24th of Leo which happens to also be the sign and degree for the USA natal charts Part of Inheritance and Legacy [Spiritual Inheritance and Legacy in its' highest sense] Mars is in the 26th degree of Virgo and that is the sign and degree for the USA's natal charts' Lot of courage. The Sun was in the 30th of 'Virgo. The 30th of Virgo is where the Moon was when Yeshua was born [The Asc. was the 1st of Libra] The 30th of Virgo happens to be the USA natal charts Part of Faith.
On the day of Neptunes' discovery, Mercury, the Lower Octave of Uranus, was in the 18th degree of Virgo and that happens to be the sign and degree for the USA natal charts' Part of Soul/Spirit.
On that day Uranus was @ 12* Aries 45'.

On the day Pluto was discovered Uranus was at 09* Aries 02', conjunct the USA natals' Part of Transformation in the same degree and sign.. Saturn was @ 08* Capricorn 52 and the USA natal charts' Part of Nobility and Honor is @ 08* Capricorn 05'. Mars was @ 08* Aquarius 43' and the Lot of Victory for the USA natal chart is @ 09* Aquarius 49'. Neptune was @ 02* Virgo 19 on the day of Plutos' discovery and the USA natal charts' Part of Change [Asc. + Uranus - Pluto] is @ 02* Virgo 49'. Oddly, the zero hour chart cast, using Greenwich, England, for that day has a Part of Fortune 12* Cancer 14' and that is the sign and degree for the USA natal charts' Sun.

Also of an odd note, to me personally, is that all three of these planet discovery charts have, either, Planets/Luminaries or the M.C./I,C. axis involved with the 25th or the 26th of the 'Fixed' signs. [...and for my natal chart Leo/Aquarius at the 25th degree [which happens to be my M.C. and PoF in Leo, my Moon and I.C. in Aquar.] ...btw... the 25th of Leo is also the part of Eros that I deduce from that Yeshu'a/Jesus chart I've produced.



[I]The charts for the discovery of Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. The three are 'Zero Hour' charts cast for mid night. It is what I use when I'm uncertain of the time of day for a birth or some notable 'Happening". I chose to use Greenwich, England for the location as these were 'World events'... I can't say that it is the correct way to assess the events as for the use of Greenwich but it seems to make sense to me. ptv

[piercethevale]

PtV, I hope you knew the connection of 1 degree Capricorn (the part of Death for the USA) and December 21st is the first day of the solar sign of this zodiac associated with depression, decline and internal crises. :andy: The USA's part of Divorce is the following degree or roughly the same time.

The Mayas, ancient Egypt, Nostradamus and according to some historians, John Adams himself was keenly aware of ther 12/21/2012 prophecy. One of our founding fathers and 2nd president of the USA, Adams himself was into astrology and mysticism (the Freemasons and Illuminati); and he once commented like a prediction in the time range of "200-210 years" either in 1787 or 1801 that "the United States and democracy will last no more than two centuries". The years 1776 and 2012 are 12-25 years off the prediction.

Another finding I have was the Civil War began on December 22, 1860 (the 2nd degree of solar month of Capricorn) when the state of South Carolina seceded from the US and the following month: 11 other southern states left the union plus Texas to established the short-lived Confederacy (CSA) to only been defeated by the vigilante union in 4 years in the Civil War.

Man, I had a hard time with this thread concerning errors in my calcs.
I owe another apology here. The Part of Death/Disaster [Asc. + C8 - Moon for the zero hour 7/4/1776 chart is 01* Aquarius 11' and not Capricorn as I had posted back in March.
I shouldn't have stated what I did about this part proving itself to me either. As to what it touched on in the Yeshu'a chart that, I've been championing...it comes up directly opposite one of the Septile matrix points on that chart. As a number of similar Parts came up either conj. or opposite those 7 points of the Septile matrix...hardly a "proof" of the Parts' veracity.

As to the Part of Death [medieval...C8 + Saturn - Moon]
[the following is from an old thread at actastrology.com and astrodienst.com forums.]
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There is some speculation as to Hillary's correct birth time. Most sources give it as 8:01 AM on the given date. My good friend and spiritual confidante, clairvoyant Clarisse Conner, says it is 8:05:30 AM due to the fact she wasn't breathing when she was born. [See below in Red text!]
The difference of 4 1/2 minutes only changes the chart axis by a degree and all Arabic Parts that include the Asc. in Part computations by the same amount.
You'll notice that her Part of Organization, [Asc. + Pluto - Saturn] computes to be 05* Virgo 21'...it is conjunct her M.C.
Saturn was conj. this degree of the Zodiac in Oct. '07, retrograde in Feb. 08' and direct again in July '08.
Saturn had quite the effect, apparently, upon her career and her organization for her candidacy for President. It was the disruption in her organization which thwarted her campaign...by most all accounts
I find also that her Part of Advancement [Asc. + Sun - Saturn] to be at 03* Aquar. 49'...which was just conjuncted by Jupiter yesterday [at the time this was originally posted in early 2009]...and she was confirmed as Secretary of State...are you all following me here?
I do find Sept. unnerving though as her Part of Assassination is at 25* Virgo 28' and Her Part of Death [Asc + C8 - Moon] to be at 23* Aquar. 15'...I truly admire and am fond of Hillary and hope and pray she will be okay.
Also there is another formula used for the Part of Death [Medieval: C8 + Saturn - Moon] which computes to 21* Scorpio 25'...which interestingly is the degree of rising for the purported birth time of 8:01 AM which leads me to speculate and believe Clarisse hit this thing on the "Head of the Nail"...in saying she had been born not breathing...hmmmm, curious, isn't it?
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So, for anyone that is still interested in this topic, the Part of Death [Medieval: C8 + Saturn - Moon] for the USA natal chart [zero hour, 7/4/1776 Philadelphia, Penn.] is at 24* Cancer 28'.