Arian Maverick
02-08-2007, 03:46 PM
I would like to begin this discussion by linking to the latest entry in Collaborate With Fate (http://collaboratingwithfate.blogspot.com/2007/02/saturnneptune-2007.html), a blog written by astrologer Kathryn Cassidy who is a registered member of our forums.
I am personally interested in the emphasis she gives upon events that occurred in 1989--the year I and several other forum members were born--and would think it would be interesting to compare experiences. Many of us have the Saturn-Neptune conjunction natally...
SATURN/NEPTUNE 2007
On Feb 28th 2007 at 12.01pm Saturn and Neptune reach the -180- phase of their current cycle. The -180- is the halfway point or the opposition and it is the push/pull alignment, the one of the greatest crisis and tension between two points. It’s also the reflective phase where one can look and see what has been achieved in the first half of the cycle. In fact oppositions act rather like Full Moons in that conditions which began at the New Moon increase in intensity until the moment of Fullness i.e. the opposition, at which point the tension eases. The difference is that in a 29 day cycle the tension eases quickly but ,when the cycle is 30+ years as this one is, the effects may linger for some months after the opposition point.
I have discussed The Saturn Neptune cycle before but, as a quick recap, it has a particular resonance with public health, drug companies, suffering and undermining of conditions and mystical vision, Cathedrals and buildings where people come together in prayer or unity and all of this........
Saturn represents boundaries and borders, authority figures (especially Prime Ministers), pipelines, regimes and Governments, changes within monarchies and the economy. Neptune resonates to collapse, oil and gas, fear, floods, scandals, anything that spreads or is without boundaries, confusion, religious longing, conspiracy, drugs and hospitals – amongst many other things. Fundamentally though, Saturn is concrete ideas and crystallizes things and Neptune is the false of flimsy and dissolves, so the two concepts are diametrically opposed. Saturn also represents cold conditions whilst Neptune is water, the result is snow and ice. This cycle therefore has an affinity with freezing weather, frozen goods, refrigeration and frozen food.
The present Sa/Ne cycle began in 1989. If we look back we can see how the principles of the two contradictory ideas manifested, for what was begun then is now at its halfway stage and events centering around the intial manifestation may reach a crisis point. Issues reoccur and adjustments may have to be implemented. If you began a project, or started a company, or a marriage in 1989, it will be now that a period of testing will have surfaced.
1989 was a particularly eventful year in history. Here are just a few of the correspondences:-
In 1989 we saw the fall of the Berlin Wall- the structure (SA) collapsed(NE) and people flooded through the Brandenburg Gate (above), communist regimes were ousted and this led to the end of the Cold War. In this case we have an image of the people, no longer contained or restrained. Refugees flooding across borders also come under this cycle. However, the same can be said of germs which run unrestrained and spread beyond all boundaries. If we look back in the history books we can see that on December 11th 1989 Britain was on red alert due to the worst flu epidemic for 14 years. In the previous cycle in 1953/4 the Myxamatosis virus virtually wiped out the Rabbit population in the UK
You can see where I’m leading here. The fears about the recent outbreak of Bird Flu in the UK are likely to get a whole lot worse, especially up until Feb 28th when people will finally get information about the parameters (SA) of the problem and the structures that are to be put in place. Whether that information will be enough to end confusion about the truth of the situation (NE) or contain the problem remains to be seen. If at this juncture in the cycle it is not contained, it could last right through to the next phase of the cycle in October 2010.
In the Flu pandemic of 1918 the active cycle was Saturn/Uranus and not Saturn/Neptune as many suppose, however, Uranus had reached the degree of Neptunes discovery in 1846; 25 Aquarius and Saturn is now moving to oppose that degree. Pluto was in the early degrees of Cancer and this speaks of the decimation is caused to families – and the global family. Similarly to 1918, Pluto enters Cancer’s opposite sign of Capricorn at the beginning of next year, and reaches the opposite degree to that of 1918 in 2010/11 With Mayan prophecies in mind we should perhaps take care now not to let a virus loose that could decimate us in four years time.
That aside, problems with diplomatic relations between Russia and the West could reappear with a vengeance now, China should be in the news and there could be major problems in Panama, the scene of the ousting of Noriega in Dec 1989.
I can’t see how Tony Blair will survive this phase of the cycle as he personally resonates to it having a Saturn/Neptune conjunction in his chart. In 1989 The Chancellor of The Exchequer resigned and the headlines were said this due to the constant ‘undermining’ of his position. Economic collapse is closely associated with this cycle as out-of-control spending has to reigned in.
In San Francisco 273 people died in a huge earthquake in 1989 and 1,000 people in Republic of Tajikistan. This is consistent with the undermining (NE) of the structure of the Earth (SA) so if you live in an earthquake zone and seismologists start giving forewarnings of underground activity, I would sit up and take note, especially on the San Andreas fault as the astrocartography charts show increased planetary activity here this year.
Another occurrence in 1989 was the sinking of the party boat The Marchioness. I recall being struck at the time by the correspondence of the Saturn/Neptune cycle to the name of the boat and if any boat/ship is going to meet with problems at this phase, the vessel is likely to have a name that is aristocratic or royal. Outbreaks of disease onboard ships such as the QE2 or Queen Mary etc would be consistent with this cycle.
Hysteria is a further keyword for Saturn/Neptune conditions and the history books show us that Iran bade farewell to Ayatollah Khomeini in 1989 amidst unfettered hysteria.
Oil has Neptunian resonance and it was under the start of this present cycle that the Exxon Valdez ran aground and the oil spill was unable to contained. Ships breaking up or running aground are indicated by this cycle. So too are gas explosions as vessels (Sa) becomes unable to contain (Ne) their contents causing pressure explosions. Watch your central heating boiler at this time!
I’m sorry to be the harbinger of such gloom and doom but this is a tense part of the year we are entering, with many potentially adverse astrological aspects forthcoming. One area that we might concentrate on to redress the balance is the fact that Saturn/Neptune cycles speak of transcending boundaries. It is during this period that we can expect – and hope – to hear of medical breakthroughs, discoveries in, or about, the Universe and people bringing their visions into manifestation. With this in mind I think we could all start to make this the period in history where what were once considered airy-fairy concepts, such as the power of positive thinking and higher states of consciousness, become accepted reality.
* * * * * *If you want to live a life in resonance with your purpose; if you are at a crossroads in life, or simply need a straightforward yes/no answer to a pressing problem, I have gathered together a team of top experts to assist you here. Relationship and personal astrology readings, horary, astrocartography and even colour therapy and clairvoyance are all on hand to help you live a more fulfilling life.
Arian Maverick
I am personally interested in the emphasis she gives upon events that occurred in 1989--the year I and several other forum members were born--and would think it would be interesting to compare experiences. Many of us have the Saturn-Neptune conjunction natally...
SATURN/NEPTUNE 2007
On Feb 28th 2007 at 12.01pm Saturn and Neptune reach the -180- phase of their current cycle. The -180- is the halfway point or the opposition and it is the push/pull alignment, the one of the greatest crisis and tension between two points. It’s also the reflective phase where one can look and see what has been achieved in the first half of the cycle. In fact oppositions act rather like Full Moons in that conditions which began at the New Moon increase in intensity until the moment of Fullness i.e. the opposition, at which point the tension eases. The difference is that in a 29 day cycle the tension eases quickly but ,when the cycle is 30+ years as this one is, the effects may linger for some months after the opposition point.
I have discussed The Saturn Neptune cycle before but, as a quick recap, it has a particular resonance with public health, drug companies, suffering and undermining of conditions and mystical vision, Cathedrals and buildings where people come together in prayer or unity and all of this........
Saturn represents boundaries and borders, authority figures (especially Prime Ministers), pipelines, regimes and Governments, changes within monarchies and the economy. Neptune resonates to collapse, oil and gas, fear, floods, scandals, anything that spreads or is without boundaries, confusion, religious longing, conspiracy, drugs and hospitals – amongst many other things. Fundamentally though, Saturn is concrete ideas and crystallizes things and Neptune is the false of flimsy and dissolves, so the two concepts are diametrically opposed. Saturn also represents cold conditions whilst Neptune is water, the result is snow and ice. This cycle therefore has an affinity with freezing weather, frozen goods, refrigeration and frozen food.
The present Sa/Ne cycle began in 1989. If we look back we can see how the principles of the two contradictory ideas manifested, for what was begun then is now at its halfway stage and events centering around the intial manifestation may reach a crisis point. Issues reoccur and adjustments may have to be implemented. If you began a project, or started a company, or a marriage in 1989, it will be now that a period of testing will have surfaced.
1989 was a particularly eventful year in history. Here are just a few of the correspondences:-
In 1989 we saw the fall of the Berlin Wall- the structure (SA) collapsed(NE) and people flooded through the Brandenburg Gate (above), communist regimes were ousted and this led to the end of the Cold War. In this case we have an image of the people, no longer contained or restrained. Refugees flooding across borders also come under this cycle. However, the same can be said of germs which run unrestrained and spread beyond all boundaries. If we look back in the history books we can see that on December 11th 1989 Britain was on red alert due to the worst flu epidemic for 14 years. In the previous cycle in 1953/4 the Myxamatosis virus virtually wiped out the Rabbit population in the UK
You can see where I’m leading here. The fears about the recent outbreak of Bird Flu in the UK are likely to get a whole lot worse, especially up until Feb 28th when people will finally get information about the parameters (SA) of the problem and the structures that are to be put in place. Whether that information will be enough to end confusion about the truth of the situation (NE) or contain the problem remains to be seen. If at this juncture in the cycle it is not contained, it could last right through to the next phase of the cycle in October 2010.
In the Flu pandemic of 1918 the active cycle was Saturn/Uranus and not Saturn/Neptune as many suppose, however, Uranus had reached the degree of Neptunes discovery in 1846; 25 Aquarius and Saturn is now moving to oppose that degree. Pluto was in the early degrees of Cancer and this speaks of the decimation is caused to families – and the global family. Similarly to 1918, Pluto enters Cancer’s opposite sign of Capricorn at the beginning of next year, and reaches the opposite degree to that of 1918 in 2010/11 With Mayan prophecies in mind we should perhaps take care now not to let a virus loose that could decimate us in four years time.
That aside, problems with diplomatic relations between Russia and the West could reappear with a vengeance now, China should be in the news and there could be major problems in Panama, the scene of the ousting of Noriega in Dec 1989.
I can’t see how Tony Blair will survive this phase of the cycle as he personally resonates to it having a Saturn/Neptune conjunction in his chart. In 1989 The Chancellor of The Exchequer resigned and the headlines were said this due to the constant ‘undermining’ of his position. Economic collapse is closely associated with this cycle as out-of-control spending has to reigned in.
In San Francisco 273 people died in a huge earthquake in 1989 and 1,000 people in Republic of Tajikistan. This is consistent with the undermining (NE) of the structure of the Earth (SA) so if you live in an earthquake zone and seismologists start giving forewarnings of underground activity, I would sit up and take note, especially on the San Andreas fault as the astrocartography charts show increased planetary activity here this year.
Another occurrence in 1989 was the sinking of the party boat The Marchioness. I recall being struck at the time by the correspondence of the Saturn/Neptune cycle to the name of the boat and if any boat/ship is going to meet with problems at this phase, the vessel is likely to have a name that is aristocratic or royal. Outbreaks of disease onboard ships such as the QE2 or Queen Mary etc would be consistent with this cycle.
Hysteria is a further keyword for Saturn/Neptune conditions and the history books show us that Iran bade farewell to Ayatollah Khomeini in 1989 amidst unfettered hysteria.
Oil has Neptunian resonance and it was under the start of this present cycle that the Exxon Valdez ran aground and the oil spill was unable to contained. Ships breaking up or running aground are indicated by this cycle. So too are gas explosions as vessels (Sa) becomes unable to contain (Ne) their contents causing pressure explosions. Watch your central heating boiler at this time!
I’m sorry to be the harbinger of such gloom and doom but this is a tense part of the year we are entering, with many potentially adverse astrological aspects forthcoming. One area that we might concentrate on to redress the balance is the fact that Saturn/Neptune cycles speak of transcending boundaries. It is during this period that we can expect – and hope – to hear of medical breakthroughs, discoveries in, or about, the Universe and people bringing their visions into manifestation. With this in mind I think we could all start to make this the period in history where what were once considered airy-fairy concepts, such as the power of positive thinking and higher states of consciousness, become accepted reality.
* * * * * *If you want to live a life in resonance with your purpose; if you are at a crossroads in life, or simply need a straightforward yes/no answer to a pressing problem, I have gathered together a team of top experts to assist you here. Relationship and personal astrology readings, horary, astrocartography and even colour therapy and clairvoyance are all on hand to help you live a more fulfilling life.
Arian Maverick