URGENT: will he end his life?

[linde]

I am terminally ill and worried that my other half will harm himself once I leave.. will he end his life?

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how long is the chart good for? how long is the answer good for?

thanks

[wintersprite1]

You are Leo (the first house) and you are then the Sun in the 8th house. The first thing to notice is that the Ascendant is too early, saying more needs to happen before the chart could play out. It is premature to ask the question. He is Saturn RX in Libra, he is exhault. Since his 8th house is also Leo/Sun.... I think he believes he would, but the retrograde shows him changing his mind. Saturn will next oppose Venus. Saturn receives Venus, but with oppositions, it is rare for a situation to complete. The Moon is in Cancer rulership, in the 12th house. The Moon can be your co significator, and not surprising that it is where it is located, Often the Moon will also act as the situation. Personally, I think he means this, but I think there will be intervention and counseling. Can you tell your Doctors about the situation so that they may intercept and be sure he has a support group.

I am wishing and hoping for you nothing but peace:love:,

TK

[tikana]

i cant add anything to what Winter said

it is pretty much on target

I dont think he will end his life

but Saturn doesnt perform well in via combusta nor in Scorpio but it is not life ending condition

i dont know what to say to you Linde. out of words

T

[linde]

You are Leo (the first house) and you are then the Sun in the 8th house. The first thing to notice is that the Ascendant is too early, saying more needs to happen before the chart could play out. It is premature to ask the question. He is Saturn RX in Libra, he is exhault. Since his 8th house is also Leo/Sun.... I think he believes he would, but the retrograde shows him changing his mind. Saturn will next oppose Venus. Saturn receives Venus, but with oppositions, it is rare for a situation to complete. The Moon is in Cancer rulership, in the 12th house. The Moon can be your co significator, and not surprising that it is where it is located, Often the Moon will also act as the situation. Personally, I think he means this, but I think there will be intervention and counseling. Can you tell your Doctors about the situation so that they may intercept and be sure he has a support group.

I am wishing and hoping for you nothing but peace:love:,

TK

what things need to happen before the chart could play out?
why is it that because his 8th house is my asc he wants to kill himself?
who's venus, opposing him?

where's counseling and intervention in the chart? i tried, he wouldn't listen.
tikana
i cant add anything to what Winter said

it is pretty much on target

I dont think he will end his life

but Saturn doesnt perform well in via combusta nor in Scorpio but it is not life ending condition

i dont know what to say to you Linde. out of words

T i appreciate your help, tikana, roy and wintersprite. i paid an horarist to look at the chart and she told me that he will end his life.
i need to know if it is true.
i asked her for points why he will

she said some of the points you said,tikana,wintersprite and roy,saturn via combusta and in scorpio etc and these points :
his significator and 8th house is the same
she said if she'd have used 8th house whole sign, jupiter is 8th house and moon will sextile jupiter with reception, neptune trine his significator saturn
and after moon will oppose pluto.

please tell me if it is true, i need to know so i can talk with him about it before.




no, his signifcator is in Via Combusta, none of the killing points draw testimony of any death for your partner

i also did a tarot reading for you and got that your partner would just hide away from everyone. I drew the cards

u have nothing to worry about it thanks, what's a killing point?

[JUPITERASC]

where's counseling and intervention in the chart? i tried, he wouldn't listen.

please tell me if it is true, i need to know so i can talk with him about it before.
IMO, good idea for both you and him to have counseling together (if he does not wish to be counseled any other way)

linde, the truth is, there is no certainty except the present moment - that is all the 'certainty' that any of us has!

It has been said that: "Life is as uncertain and precarious as a dewdrop sparkling on a leaf or on a flower" - so make the most of the opportunity of the time you have remaining with him and help him (as well as yourself) by discussing and then making, arrangements for counseling as a couple. :smile:

[tikana]

Roy

why does she need a permission to ask this question
she asked aquestion because something has triggered her to think of it.
she does NOT need a permission at all

Linde

no i donthink he will commit a suicide. there is no evidence of that

T

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-he = 7th house = Aqaurius = Saturn significator
-Saturn is:
a) in its sign of exaltation (Libra) = + for strength of quesited
b) in retrograde = - for above
c) in a pitted degree of Libra = means NO CHANGES for the quesited
-relative to the quesited, his significator, Saturn, falls in HIS 9th house (9th from the 7th), a house connected with religion, spirituality, etc, not with death (the 8th and 12th would be connected with death, the 6th with illness; the 12th from the 7th would show possible self-undoing, ie, suicide) Quesited significator is NOT in any one of these houses

My delineation based on the above:
Situation of his significator Saturn, shows quesited's grieving and a possible movement by the quesited toward religious/spiritual actions, as a result of querent's passing, but no indication that quesited will commit suicide.

In my opinion, time-wise, thses indications would be valid for at least the next 6 to 12 months, unless something radical (other than the passing of the querent) occurs during that period of time in the relationship between querent and quesited, to change that relationship in a significant way.

[linde]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-he = 7th house = Aqaurius = Saturn significator
-Saturn is:
a) in its sign of exaltation (Libra) = + for strength of quesited
b) in retrograde = - for above
c) in a pitted degree of Libra = means NO CHANGES for the quesited
-relative to the quesited, his significator, Saturn, falls in HIS 9th house (9th from the 7th), a house connected with religion, spirituality, etc, not with death (the 8th and 12th would be connected with death, the 6th with illness; the 12th from the 7th would show possible self-undoing, ie, suicide) Quesited significator is NOT in any one of these houses

My delineation based on the above:
Situation of his significator Saturn, shows quesited's grieving and a possible movement by the quesited toward religious/spiritual actions, as a result of querent's passing, but no indication that quesited will commit suicide.

In my opinion, time-wise, thses indications would be valid for at least the next 6 to 12 months, unless something radical (other than the passing of the querent) occurs during that period of time in the relationship between querent and quesited, to change that relationship in a significant way.
what could happen other than my passing?

what about all the points and aspects the horarist and wintersprite pointed at?
the horarist said if the quesited significator and 8th house are the same, it shows death and the quesited are the same.

she said if she'd have used 8th house whole sign, jupiter is 8th house and moon will sextile jupiter with reception, neptune trine his significator saturn
and after moon will oppose pluto.

wintersprite and the horarist said that the moon will act as the situation, and moon is in the 12th and will sextile jupiter 8th house whole sign, with reception and opposite pluto

i appreciate your help
did you have permission to ask this question? because if you did he's the 1st house, if not he's the the 7th house

killing points, hmm, its the 4th house, 7th house, and 8th i think, you look at the triplicities of the Sect and look for the conditions of those Planets, and how they connect with the significator, when death is eminent, testimonies are counted. For this chart there are none

u shouldn't ask these types of questions, there's hardly anyone in the world that can do this properly i didn't ask a permisson,is it a yes or a no?

i appreciate your help

Roy

why does she need a permission to ask this question
she asked aquestion because something has triggered her to think of it.
she does NOT need a permission at all

Linde

no i donthink he will commit a suicide. there is no evidence of that

T wintersprite said that his intention is to end his life but venus will interrupt him.

what about all the points and aspects the horarist and wintersprite pointed at?
the horarist said if the quesited significator and 8th house are the same, it shows death and the quesited are the same.

she said if she'd have used 8th house whole sign, jupiter is 8th house and moon will sextile jupiter with reception, neptune trine his significator saturn
and after moon will oppose pluto.


wintersprite and the horarist said that the moon will act as the situation, and moon is in the 12th and will sextile jupiter 8th house whole sign, with reception and opposite pluto

i appreciate your help

[wintersprite1]

He is Saturn RX in Libra, he is exhault. Since his 8th house is also Leo/Sun.... I think he believes he would, but the retrograde shows him changing his mind.
is what I said. I also said it is too early to ask the question, with an early ascendant. I believe just about everyone, including myself said.... get counseling now.

TK

[tikana]

People
THEre IS NO suicide in the chart .. look at the chart
He is SATURN in angular HOUSE
his 10th!
moon sextiles Jupiter which is NOT lord of his 8th house
venus opposes saturn which is NOT lord of 8th nor 12th
there is no suicide
stop torturing this chart...
LInde, grab him and march to counseling, seriously

[dr. farr]

Certainly I also find (with my approach) that suicide is not indicated by this horary question chart.

[linde]

she is a well known horarist. i sent her an email with your points, she said that the chart is full of testimonies of him commiting suicide.

she sent me an email back with more points to prove her answer

his 6th of health is moon is applying an opposition from his 6th to his 12th.
and his 8th of death is sun in my 8th, my death is his death. and sun his 8th is in partile sesquiquadrate applying to him!
and saturn of 12th is him

do you agree with her?


Certainly I also find (with my approach) that suicide is not indicated by this horary question chart.

she said that the points she made is also in whole sign house system ,but in whole sign house system his 8th is mercury is quincunx saturn, him. his 8th mercury conjunct uranus his modern ruler and applying a square to pluto in his 12th

do you agree with her?

[wintersprite1]

I have closed this thread because it has run it's course and the OP will not accept the answers given or gratitude for the efforts. If OP wants to believe her personal horarist that is more than fine, but it doesn't need to be dragged on here like a competition.

TK