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claudette
02-16-2012, 09:56 PM
I do hope someone can help me with a serious situation I-and perhaps many others-face.

Background: in March of 2008 excavation was done for a new building adjacent my apt. building. At the end of excavation, men in HazMat suits arrived, and sprayed something on the soil. I forgot about it until I became ill a few months later, with coughing, nightsweats, terrible fatigue and weight loss. Finally, in September I was diagnosed with mycobacterium avium complex, (MAC) a relatively rare (200,000 cases in the US) which is a bacterial infection similar to TB but not contagious. Once it is in your system it never really leaves; just is more active. I was hospitalized several times due to reaction to the 3 strong antibiotics usually given and found a treatment from my Naturopath put it into remission. Several months after I was diagnosed, another woman in my building, who lives one floor above me was diagnosed with the exact same strain. Only 200,000 cases in the US and 2 of us get sick at the same time? I grew suspicious about why the ground had to be treated by HazMat. I contacted Dept. of Environmental Quality and obtained reports of soil and groundwater and saw there were very high levels of arsenic, benzene, lead, benzo(a)pyrene and naphthalene from a gas manufacturing plant and old railroad yards. Apprarisal records list contaminated soil-1/3 of the price of the lot was knocked off because of the contamination.The DEQ doesn't deny the contaminants are there, but insists I couldn't get sick from these contaminants becoming airborne during excavation. There is research from National Institutes of Health of MAC being contracted in hospitals during construction and excavation. There isn't much research on MAC treatment much less origins as not that many people have been diagnosed with it. DEQ is supposed to be monitoring the air in our building and for migration of contaminants into the nearby river but they are not up to date on their tests. I don't know how to read the graphs; just read that the report states some on the contaminants "pose an unacceptable risk to residents" When I ask DEQ about this, they say we are at no risk from the excavation and that the vapor barrior HazMat applied wil keep the vapors from permeating up into our building.

I've had 2 relapses since then, and am now in remission. I'm also concerned that others in the building of 176 seniors may have contracted MAC in 2008 but it is not diagnosed as it easily masquerades as bronchitis, pneumonia. It takes ct scans, bronchoscopies and 6 week sputum samples to diagnose, and this isn't commonly done.

Fast forward to Jan 31 when I read in the paper a hotel is planned for the lot across the street from the other building-still very close to me-and I know from the reports I have that the contamination there is almost exactly the same. A drilling company was there, taking soil samples. Once this soil is excavated, there is no way to ignore it. Intake vents on our ceiling pull in ambient air and pump it through our building.

I asked the horary question Jan 31, "are we going to get sick from this contaminated soil?". Of course I'm wondering if I will get sick again, but in asking the question I was clearly thinking of others in the building. Perhaps this muddles the question too much. Hence, I don't know which houses to use! Am I house 1, and I look to the 6th for health? 10 Taurus is ASC, so I would be Venus in the 12th? Merc ruler of 6th house: at 6 Aquar in the 10th. Libra is intercepted in the 6th: Mars 22 virgo retro, opposite venus, and saturn 29 Libra. Moon is 17 Tau in 1st House.

I'll try to attach the chart;sometimes cannot get it to work. (Jan 31, 10:58 am, Portland OR)

This is so important, for if the concensus seems to be getting sick is a distinct possibility, I will have to launch another, more thorough campaign to find out more about the soil, try to get an environment group to help me, etc, all with no money! Not to mention trying to disrupt a 22 million dollar project proposed by the wealthiest, most powerful urban developer in Portland.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

agarth
02-17-2012, 04:00 PM
A fascinating chart!

However, I see this chart as more of a "Are my fears actually grounded in reality?" question, and I will read it accordingly.

For questions of this nature, I usually consult William Lilly, who says

"That which I have found true by experience ....was this; that if I found the Moon in the Ascendant, 10th, 11th, or 3rd House, separated by a benevolent aspect from any Planet (be he Lord of what House soever) and then applying by Trine or Sextile or Conjunction to the Lord of the Ascendant; I say, I did finde the report or rumour true, but alwayes tending to the good of the Parliament".

First of all, the person asking the question is always represented by the first house and it's ruler. In your case Venus in Pisces, indicating that your position is strong. We find that this chart perfectly satisfies the conditions laid out by Lilly. The Moon is exalted in the first house in Taurus. She has just separated from the Sun, ruler of the 4th house of HOME, BUILDINGS AND THE GROUND UNDER OUR FEET!! Notice that Mercury is with the Sun. Mercury rules the 6th house of ILLNESS. This is why I love horary so much! It's so highly descriptive if read correctly.

Notice those things are behind the Moon(have already happened). The Moon next applies by sextile to Venus, the ruler of the Ascendant, perfectly satisfying the conditions laid out by Lilly and fully justifying your fears. Based on the chart I would say, yes, your illness is related to the ground and there could perhaps be more illnesses to come. Notice, however, the very last line that I have included.

"I did finde the report or rumour true, but alwayes tending to the good of the Parliament".

The good of Parliament in this case refers to the government. Your fears may be correct, but you may have an upwards battle influencing government agencies.

Cheers!

claudette
02-17-2012, 10:20 PM
agarth, thanks for your response. I'm inclined to agree with the true question being asked here.

I'm confused by your statement that the moon has just separated from the Sun, ruler of the 4th. The moon recently squared the Sun, is that what you were referring to by separation? Cancer is on the 4th; wouldn't the ruler be the Moon? Home, buildings, ground under our feet -in a water sign-to me has significance as a big part of the problem is contaminated ground water and the water table is very high. Would Moon being significator of the 4th and on the ASC put more emphasis on the ground water in question?

I also notice Merc, significator of the 6th, is applying combust the Sun. What is the significance here? I thought a planet combust the sun was greatly weakened, or literally done for. Merc also semi-squares Venus-does this weaken venus? It's also sesquiquadrate retro mars in the 6th. Minor aspects can be used sometimes, can't they, especially if the two significators are involved? And what is the significance of Merc in the 10th? Does that mean my health is being affected by someone in power?

I read that the planet the moon last conjuncted gives info on the character and influence of the situation. This is jup Taurus in the 12th. This could be Jupitor: expansion, grandiose plan: Large Marriott residential hotel, proposed by a wealthy, prominant developer. 12th house: deception, hidden enemies? There actually IS deception involved in this project. 1) the lot was designated by the Portland Development Commission for middle-income housing, in keeping with a contract drawn up in 2004. In a private meeting with the neighborhood association, this provision was thrown out and it was decided to sell it to the developer, instead. No announcement was made of the plan and no public comment taken. 2) Financing for the 22 million hotel is through a federal program that allows foreign investors-in this case Chinese-to obtain a permanent green card for themselves and their families if they invest 1 million in a project that guarantees a min. of 10 permanent jobs. But the figures don't compute: the developer announced there would be just 67 permanent jobs, perhaps 200 temporary construction jobs. By the program standards, there would have to be at least 220 permanent jobs.

Lastly, looking at the movement of the moon, after it sextiles venus it trines retro mars, quincunxes saturn then the final aspect-general conditions of the outcome-squares neptune. I have no idea how to interpret this!

Padon my inexperience with horary-but I guess this is how you learn it!

Thanks, anyone, who can offer interpretation.

agarth
02-17-2012, 11:22 PM
Sorry about my mistake regarding the Sun, who rules the 5th house and not the 4th.

The Moon is the ruler of the 4th in the first house in Taurus, an earth sign, representing your concern about the ground below your feet. Remember that the 4th is called "subterranean", so it represents what is in, on or under the ground.

I've never heard that rule about the last conjunction of the Moon, and, personally, I wouldn't use it. Additionally, I would not consider the hotel to be ruled by the 12th, because it is a building being built above ground, which is ruled by the 4th house, bringing us back to the Moon. The Moon rules hospitality and Taurus is luxury, thus a luxury hotel.

In regards to the Sun as ruler of the 5th house, the 5th represents messengers and messages received, so it could represent the news you have received.

The last aspect the Moon makes is the trine to Mars, ruler of 7th and 12th by interception, representing enemies seen and unseen. As mentioned before, it looks like the advantage belongs to the government and the builders, even if this problem may come back to haunt them in the future.

claudette
02-19-2012, 07:26 PM
agarth, anyone,

I'm trying to follow your thinking, here. Any building above the ground is 4th house? Is there a house one would associate with hotels? I can see moon in taurus as luxury hotel.

As to moon aspects before it leaves it's sign, after the trine to mars, why do you ignore quincunx to saturn and square to neptune? What is the significance of a retro mars? I think I read somewhere that a retro mars means something may have to be re-done; which, being in the 6th house, may mean I will have to repeat the treatment protoco
l for MAC.

I'm still unclear about 6th house significator, Merc, being combust the sun, semi-square venus, my significator and sesquiquadrate retro mars in the 6th. Does the combust signify my concern about my health is "destroyed" by the sun, hence, doesn't exist, or does it signify a serious problem for my health. This is the key issue for me, obviously.

Out of curiosity, I did a few other calculations; yet I have no idea if they are significant. Part of Deception is 2 Gem 21; my natal ASC is 2 gem 0. Part of Fortune is 17 Leo 5; my natal mars is 16 Leo 13. SN is 12 Gem 25; conjunct my natal moon and P. saturn. Lot of Chronic Disease, which I think Dr. Farr used in another post, is 17 Gem 11; no exact aspects in my natal chart, just the sextile to LCD.

Thanks, anyone, for your input, I need direction here.

Anachiel
02-20-2012, 12:12 AM
Inward or outward cause of the disease. That is how I would see this.


So, are you Venus, being attacked by something in the chart? Yes.

We can see that you, Venus, exalted and strong but, Mars, in the 6th is opposing you. Mars is not ruler of the 6th but is lord of the 7th and part of the 12th. A clear sign of an outward cause of the illness according to traditional horary rules.

claudette
02-21-2012, 05:18 PM
Yes, I see this. Also "open" and "secret" enemies fits for both the contaminanats that are not "seen" and for the behavior of the city bureaucrats and questionable funding proposal of the developer.

Still a mystery to me: Merc, 6th house significator, combust the sun and aspects to my significator and mars. Does this not have some importance?
Thanks, anyone.

Anachiel
02-23-2012, 03:54 AM
Yes, Mercury, ruler of the 6th does afflict the ASC. However, combustion weakens it (the illness) so, this would be more positive for you.

dr. farr
02-23-2012, 04:14 AM
(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign house format)

I emphasize in the following delineation that I am using whole sign houses!

-querent = 1st house = Taurus = Venus significator
-ground = 4th house = Leo = Sun significator
-illness = 6th (whole sign) house = Libra = Venus significator
Note: Venus significator for both querent and house of illness-shows that querent has been/is ill due to basic subject matter of this question, which we know to be true from the OP background information

...so, relative to the current question about upcoming effects:
-Sun (the ground) is detrimented in Aquarius = contamination of ground is indicated as less virulent (due to detriment of its significator the Sun)
-querent/6th house significator (illness significator) Venus flows away from the Sun and makes no applying aspect to the Sun = - testimony for being made ill
-querent's co-significator the Moon, flows away from the Sun and makes no applying aspect to the Sun = - testimony for being made ill
-Moon flowing away from Venus-with Venus considered here only as 6th house significator = - testimony specifically for 6th house matters (illness)
-the Sun is in a pitted degree (blocked) = more indications that the potential virulence of the ground is limited, or at least that its inimical effects will be "blocked" (as per the pitted degree)

...based upon the above, in my opinion the answer to this question is, "no, not likely", which, of course, I hope will be the case!

claudette
02-23-2012, 08:45 PM
Thank you both, anachiel and Dr. Farr. This is so encouraging, and I think I followed all aspects of your evaluation, Dr. Farr. It's such synchoronicity that you answered, because last night I was thinking I might dare to PM you and ask you to take a look!

As to Sun being in its detriment and thus less virulent-there are two factors here: I know from my records that that soil isn't quite as contaminated as was the soil under my building and immediately adjacent, and also the lot in question is about 1/4 block from my window-so that would also help. Also, another factor may be that I have been working hard to build up my immune system since the last recurrance in 2009.

For whatever "reason", I am greatly relieved and thank you so much!