Nibiru

[Matthew The Astrologer]

*ahem* I know this particular forum is for "non-astrological talks on interesting, important or controversial topics"... but this Hot Topic *is* knid of astrologically related. Anyway, here goes:

(taps microphone, clears throat) Everyone out there has figured out that there's no such thing as "Nibiru" by now, right...?

Just checking. Thank you. :)

[JUPITERASC]

Since Nibiru is not delineated in natal charts then I would assume your discussion is astronomical - just sayin' :smile:

[divine g]

Question, what exactly do you get out of not believing there's such a thing as Nibiru, and getting others to believe the same?

Do you have any idea how many images NASA keeps from the public? Do you know they are discovering new planets almost every single day? I would expect someone who's an astrologer to be a bit more open-minded about what's "out there".

So again, what exactly do you get out of posing such a question? Because among many scientific-minded people, esp among the elite, the existence of Nibiru is knowledge that is basically elementary. But given that the masses would probably "freak out" if they knew the tons of activity that NASA has recorded going beyond the earth, it's probably best that they keep what they know among themselves. So if believing there's no such thing as other planets with life on them, orbiting our same Sun helps you sleep better at night, ok then, sleep tight.

[Matthew The Astrologer]

Do I believe a government can lie or mislead people? Sure. Do I believe things sometimes get covered up? Yes.

Do people make money off of other people's fears of these things? You bet. That's what cheeses me off about Nibiru. It's not that I deny the existence of other planets, or life on them... it's that believing the Nibiru story requires deliberately overlooking some scientific facts that are far beyond the power of any "elites" to hide.

Read this and tell me where I got the science wrong.
(http://matthewastrology.blogspot.com/2009/03/it-bears-repeating-world-will-not-end.html)

[divine g]

So what if people want to make money off of other people's fears, that goes on EVERY SINGLE DAY. That's kind of the definition of capitalism, isn't it? And that's kind of their business, as karma will make sure they reap what they sew. For example, say an actual monster rain storm was coming, is it wrong for people to sell umbrellas? Whether the storm is bad or not, there have been enough catastrophic events in our collective unconscious to warrant justified concern over bad things happening every now and then, sometimes very bad.

Take the storm that hit the east coast this past summer, the mayor of ny made evacuations mandatory. Was the storm as bad as predicted, no, but it's better to be safe than sorry. How was he to know whether he had a Katrina on his hands?

I could only skim through your article quickly, but what stood out is that you say Nibiru should be more visible since it's so big, well, there are objects out there that can only be seen thru infrared. And as for the mass of the thing, size does not necessarily equal mass. You can have a huge balloon the size of a building, but it doesn't weigh as much as the building.

You kind of remind me of some of the ppl they interviewed before Katrina, who sat with their beers like it was a big party, and it was no big deal bc they've been thru so many storms before. I guess it's the age old conflict between sometimes over-optimistic Jupiter, and sometimes over-pessimistic Saturn. I just err on the side of caution. I'm still learning, as there is always something to learn. So just sitting there on your high horse saying something doesn't exist, end of story is pretty overconfident, to say the least, and doesn't help anybody.

There has to be more to what you are saying here. Basically, there are ppl who like to spread misinfo as well, in the name of making bucks. Bc if ppl really thought the world would end this year, well, they'd just sit at home and enjoy it wouldn't they? That would **** off everybody who's trying to make money. So again, what do you get out of making ppl believe that nothing can possibly go wrong this year? How would you know anyway?

Finally, from what I'm learning, 2012 has much more to do with spiritual events, as opposed to physical events. 2012 is not all about Nibiru, or whether it exists or not. There is a much bigger picture, beyond this dense 3rd dimensional reality, going into other dimensions, star systems etc. Way too much to fully get into here. But stop trying to hoodwink ppl, at least give them the opportunity to research it themselves and come to their own conclusions.

[divine g]

And as a quick note, I'd like to add, that from what I know, Nibiru is not even a planet, it's a planet-sized craft. Anybody who's studied this would know that, so again, why the misinfo? I would like to share this image from google sky, I have no idea what it is, but since it's 75% blocked out, clearly, someone is trying to hide what it is. You can only see it using infrared and it is huge.

For the record, I am not saying this is Nibiru. It's just food for thought. The truth is out there. And from what I hear, it's hanging out somewhere around Saturn.

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[Matthew The Astrologer]

First of all, making money by deliberately generating fear about imaginary things is capitalism... in the same way that a mobster collects "protection money" for NOT burning your shop down. When that happens, call the cops, don't wait for "karma."

Second: Hurricanes arise out of existing storm fronts, and people who stayed behind for Katrina were overconfident because they'd seen hurricanes before. How many rogue planets have entered the Solar System, in human history? HINT: asteroids and comets don't count.


Third: Even an invisible, planet-sized empty balloon would still be subject to gravitation, and could never stay in a the eccentric, multi-century orbit Nibiru enthusiasts describe.

Fourth: That blank spot was generated by the image stitching program used to produce Google Sky maps. It's a digital processing artefact, not a censored image.

This leaves only an artificial, planet-sized, invisible space balloon with it's own means of propulsion as a candidate for "Nibiru."

When science fails, belief kicks in. But even belief should be based on SOME kind of reason. People who believe the Universe was created by God don't have to ignore physics, geology, and biology... but those who believe the job was done in six literal days DO. And I personally don't believe there are any artificial, planet-sized, invisible space balloon Death Stars hanging out around Saturn.

[Matthew The Astrologer]

Also, re: Google Sky:

http://www.2012hoax.org/google-sky

[waybread]

Matthew, astronomers are not an organized group, all subject to some kind of Big Brother control. Academics in particular are a pretty free-thinking bunch. Astronomers come from countries all over the world, some of them with no particular affection for the US.

If 99% of highly educated, autonomous astronomers in countries around the globe don't think Nibiru exists, why should we doubt them?

My big astrological question, however, is "what in heaven's name is in the drinking water, that conspiracy theories have such a big hold on people lately?"

[Anachiel]

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My big astrological question, however, is "what in heaven's name is in the drinking water, that conspiracy theories have such a big hold on people lately?"

Maybe it's because the conspiracy theories make more sense than the reality, (or is that insanity?) that most people perceive going on in the world.

[divine g]

@Matthew the Astrologer, Im not going to argue with you, as I would just end up repeating myself. Im checking out the google sky vid now, but fyi, that pic was just food for thought...As for the existence of intelligent life, or whether their crafts can be seen at night, that point is moot. There is tons of information, dating back to the 40's that says this planet has been visited by higher intelligences, and there are as many different types, as there are stars and planets out there.

As for your quote I personally don't believe there are any artificial, planet-sized, invisible space balloon Death Stars hanging out around Saturn. You sound like a 3rd grader. I believe you are a disinformation agent, and you should be fired from your job bc it is so obvious who you are. BTW, Nibiru is said to be a planet sized SHIP, not a baloon, and not something out of star wars *****le. 100 years ago, you would have been the same person saying that man flying on planes would be the talk of conspiracy nuts. Kill yourself, seriously.

[JUPITERASC]

My big astrological question, however, is "what in heaven's name is in the drinking water, that conspiracy theories have such a big hold on people lately?"
why blame the drinking water?:smile:

QUOTE:
Mayor Anselm Rothschild, Banker: “Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its Laws” http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5232639329002339531#docid=53521067 73770802849

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOZO7vK7OEo&feature=related

[divine g]

@Matthew the Astrologer I just saw the Google sky vid. *yawn*. That video says NOTHING about the fact that this pic shows what appears to a dome-sized craft. And this craft can only be seen by infrared. It's not a star, or a planet, or a comet, it's made up of a material that doesn't reflect light, yet with infrared you can clearly see the shape of something out of the ordinary. I never said it's Nibiru, and I personally dont think Nibiru will crash into the planet. If it does, we're all gonna die anyway, so that would be pretty cool to go out, if you gotta go out anyway.

My working thesis from what Im learning,(for those interested), is that 85% of life on this planet is relatively unintellligent life, sitting around watching tv, drinking beer, working, reproducing and dying. The human race was created by a higher intelligence, which Zecharia Sitchin goes into detail about. There are several ET groups which have been visiting the earth for thousands of years, some are friendly, some are hostile, some are allies with each other, and some go to war with each other. For any proof, look no further at the sudden appearance and rapid evolution of technology in the last 20 YEARS ALONE, in comparison to relatively nothing of its kind existing in the thousands of years before that. This is a waste of time. Like explaining physics to a baby.

Ive got better things to do, there's tons of info and disinfo to sort thru, and Matthew here, is clearly on the side of the disinformation agents. By the way, it's fluoride in the water. It's not making ppl conspiracy theorists, but too dumb to even look into any conspiracy bc they're too busy "keeping up with the kardashians".

By the way, there are "aliens" all over the place. You can be one and not know it. , Even the Bible mentions it in Genesis 6, how the "Sons of God" or the "heavenly beings" came down to earth and took the human women they liked, and their offspring became the famous men and heroes of history. How do you know whether or not one of your ancestors came from another planet and mated with a human being? The human genome project, I believe, has mapped out over 70-90 different species in the human DNA. If we're all one blood, why are there so many different blood types? Again, explaining physics to a baby, I gotta go.

[Matthew The Astrologer]

The other agents and I have discussed this, and we have decided you are correct. We have decided to let this issue go, but be warned: the fluoride content of your drinking water will be increased shortly. Fnord.

[JUPITERASC]

re: visitors from other planets http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42291 :smile:

[divine g]

Food For Thought....Chew Your Food Slowly..

Eminem Ft. Katy Perry - Extraterrestrial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h7wL8K_goA

"Different DNA...They don't understand you...You're from a whole other world..A different dimension.....Futuristic Brother..."

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[waybread]

why blame the drinking water?:smile:


Because it is slightly nicer than divine g's astute comment: "...that 85% of life on this planet is relatively unintellligent life, sitting around watching tv, drinking beer, working, reproducing and dying."

Anachiel, while your point is well taken, Politicians'/ Bankers'/Government's/Corporations' Big Lie du jour doesn't thereby confirm that the latest bizarre conspiracy theory is consequently correct.

[JUPITERASC]

"It's all a Conspiracy Theory" is the way to avoid discussion of important topics :smile:

[waybread]

Possibly. However, I am willing to address some conspiracy theories head-on. And some conspiracy theories are so bizarre as not to merit serious discussion.

[JUPITERASC]

Possibly? IMO you routinely dismiss as 'a conspiracy theory' that which you intend to avoid discussing :smile:

[waybread]

Oh, gosh, JA. I feel just crushed that you don't read what I actually write. Oh, on this thread, for example. But for sure, some conspiracy theories are just too bizarre to merit discussion.

[JUPITERASC]

But for sure, some conspiracy theories are just too bizarre to merit discussion.
Cheer up! There's plenty more letters of the alphabet to interpret as 'too bizarre conspiracy theories' :smile:

[Matthew The Astrologer]

Maybe it's because the conspiracy theories make more sense than the reality, (or is that insanity?) that most people perceive going on in the world.


"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless."

-Alan Moore

...just a thought. :)

[Anachiel]

"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless."

-Alan Moore

...just a thought. :)

I've wondered that myself. What if the truth is there is no one truth, no spoon and no recount on the vote. What if it is not really conspiracy but lack of conviviality that is absent in praxis?

The bottom line though, I feel, without meaning to sound nihilistic is, if it is true, what are you going to do about it? We each are given a limited about of time, space (possessions, money, etc.) and power while here. I feel taking care of what I have been given, to the best of my ability, both inside and out, is probably the best contribution...if we all did that instead of being distracted into the outer limits (or the kardashian's closets lol)....gee, might be a better world after all.

[Matthew The Astrologer]

If you've ever tried to organize six or seven people on a month long project, you know how difficult it can be to get the results you wanted, even if everyone agrees on the goal and how to get there. Now multiply that by a billion people and by decades rather than by a month, and it suddenly becomes clear that no Reptoid CIA Socialist Jewish Banker Extraterrestrial Nibiru Balloon group... real or imagined... could steer the entire planet they way they want for very long.

[waybread]

If you've ever tried to organize six or seven people on a month long project, you know how difficult it can be to get the results you wanted, even if everyone agrees on the goal and how to get there. Now multiply that by a billion people and by decades rather than by a month, and it suddenly becomes clear that no Reptoid CIA Socialist Jewish Banker Extraterrestrial Nibiru Balloon group... real or imagined... could steer the entire planet they way they want for very long.

Matthew, I love this!:biggrin:

[divine g]

"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless."

-Alan Moore

...just a thought. :)

See, nobody ever even mentioned these ppl before you did. How did this become a Jewish or Reptilian thing? Who here mentioned Jews or reptiles or greys before you did? See what Im talking about? It's almost like, I ask you, "How was your day?" and you jump up and say, "Im not beating my wife!" or "I paid my taxes!" The subject is Nibiru, why are you talking about Jewish Bankers? Who mentioned that? No one did, that's my point. We're talking about another planet, and all of a sudden, basically you're jumping up and saying, "There's no conspiracy! But if there is, All I know is, the Jews aren't involved!" What the hell are you on? Who ever mentioned Jews or reptiles, and how is that relevant to Nibiru, Agent Smith? Is there something you know that we dont'? Do tell, bc inquiring minds are dying to know.

That's what you call a Freudian slip, or a guilty conscience. You literally make me sick. By the way, what in the hell is comforting about believing that a conspiracy exists? Bc that implies you can't do anything about it. People are actually more comfortable in chaos, we're there free to do what they want, and there is no order. You and your groupies have to the most a**backwards thinking bunch of ppl I've come across in a while! Actually a more fitting word is "liar", and I hate liars.

[Matthew The Astrologer]

See, nobody ever even mentioned these ppl before you did. How did this become a Jewish or Reptilian thing? Who here mentioned Jews or reptiles or greys before you did? See what Im talking about? It's almost like, I ask you, "How was your day?" and you jump up and say, "Im not beating my wife!" or "I paid my taxes!" The subject is Nibiru, why are you talking about Jewish Bankers? Who mentioned that? No one did, that's my point. We're talking about another planet, and all of a sudden, basically you're jumping up and saying, "There's no conspiracy! But if there is, All I know is, the Jews aren't involved!" What the hell are you on? Who ever mentioned Jews or reptiles, and how is that relevant to Nibiru, Agent Smith? Is there something you know that we dont'? Do tell, bc inquiring minds are dying to know.

That's what you call a Freudian slip, or a guilty conscience. You literally make me sick. By the way, what in the hell is comforting about believing that a conspiracy exists? Bc that implies you can't do anything about it. People are actually more comfortable in chaos, we're there free to do what they want, and there is no order. You and your groupies have to the most a**backwards thinking bunch of ppl I've come across in a while! Actually a more fitting word is "liar", and I hate liars.

Yes, that's right. An entire chunk of quote from Alan Moore on the subject is a Freudian slip, or a guilty conscience, or whatever. Completely unrelated to the notion that people would rather believe crazy **** than accept that the world is a big, rambling, rowdy, disorderly place that isn't under someone's magical thumb.

Just relax. The flouride will be kicking in soon. We've put it in your shampoo too! And please, a favor? Next time you're on the computer, could you please sit a little more to the left? You're blocking the spycam.

[waybread]

Nevermine the spycam, Matthew. I believe the FBI communicates to me directly through my dental fillings.

Sorry, gotta run. We Reptilians are somewhat inconvenienced during our skin-shedding season. Once it's over, back to world domination with a vengeance!

[JUPITERASC]

Just relax. The flouride will be kicking in soon. We've put it in your shampoo too!
Speaking of Fluoride....:smile:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7319752042352089988

[divine g]

@Matthew Your mother's got my shampoo...