RUSSIA warns USA - Possibility of Nuclear World War III over Republic of IRAN

[JUPITERASC]

QUOTE FROM online news media of Russian President Dimitry Medvedev speaking to the Russian nation:

“First I am instructing the Defence Ministry to put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert.

Second: protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop our air and space defences.

Third: the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missiles Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defence penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads... if these measures prove insufficient the Russian Federation modern offensive weapon systems in the south and west of the country ensure our ability to take out any part of the US missile defence system in Europe....

Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not to Russia's favour we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures.

Besides, given the link between strategic offensive and defensive weapons arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the new START treaty could also arise – and this option is enshrined in the treaty... We are open to dialogue and we hope for a reasonable and constructive approach from our Western partners”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Medvedev

QUOTE: Admiral Selivanov, Russian Navy:

“If somebody's ships are located somewhere, of course its not possible to simply fly over them and bomb someplace. Even the Americans will not be able to ignore the arrival of our ships off the coast of Syria.

Although probably our only aircraft carrier plus the Chabanenko do not have the ability to stop an entire war.... But their appearance in the Eastern Mediterranean will be a signal to the whole world, that Russia has its interests here and you cant just crush, destroy and kill everybody without taking them into account”

Seems quite clear:smile:

[Jesusistheway]

QUOTE FROM online news media of Russian President Dimitry Medvedev speaking to the Russian nation:

“First I am instructing the Defence Ministry to put the missile attack early warning radar station in Kaliningrad on combat alert.

Second: protective cover of Russia's strategic nuclear weapons will be reinforced as a priority measure under the programme to develop our air and space defences.

Third: the new strategic ballistic missiles commissioned by the Strategic Missiles Forces and the Navy will be equipped with advanced missile defence penetration systems and new highly-effective warheads... if these measures prove insufficient the Russian Federation modern offensive weapon systems in the south and west of the country ensure our ability to take out any part of the US missile defence system in Europe....

Furthermore, if the situation continues to develop not to Russia's favour we reserve the right to discontinue further disarmament and arms control measures.

Besides, given the link between strategic offensive and defensive weapons arms, conditions for our withdrawal from the new START treaty could also arise – and this option is enshrined in the treaty... We are open to dialogue and we hope for a reasonable and constructive approach from our Western partners”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Medvedev

QUOTE: Admiral Selivanov, Russian Navy:

“If somebody's ships are located somewhere, of course its not possible to simply fly over them and bomb someplace. Even the Americans will not be able to ignore the arrival of our ships off the coast of Syria.

Although probably our only aircraft carrier plus the Chabanenko do not have the ability to stop an entire war.... But their appearance in the Eastern Mediterranean will be a signal to the whole world, that Russia has its interests here and you cant just crush, destroy and kill everybody without taking them into account”

Seems quite clear:smile:

I kid you not I had a dream we were nuked by missiles along with NY (meaning we as in LA) and I saw PUTIN his name over blackness. This man is either the anti christ or the predecessor to the anti christ. I cannot make sure which of which.

[JUPITERASC]

Good you woke up and it was only a dream! Having said that, there are too many missile sites in Europe that are deliberately threatening to Russia (as well as everyone else in the region). So how can Russia be expected to do nothing if Iran is threatened with attacks? Russia is probably doing the math and thinking - Iraq then Syria, now Iran.... so who's next? :smile:

[tsmall]

Cuban missile crisis redux?

[piercethevale]

Hawkwind - "(Only) The Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPWsoM1D5E&feature=related

[Monk]

Secret Philosophy, corrupted religions, one wonders where the secret chiefs are leading us?

Interesting topic below on a month old web-site, involving philosophy regarding Thoth Hermetic, and Counter-Reformation:-

http://wintertriangle.org/?page_id=85

Most countries have same alignments if you look hard enough!

[JUPITERASC]

Secret Philosophy, corrupted religions, one wonders where the secret chiefs are leading us? Interesting topic below on a month old web-site, involving philosophy regarding Thoth Hermetic, and Counter-Reformation:-
http://wintertriangle.org/?page_id=85
Most countries have same alignments if you look hard enough!
Thanks for the interesting link Monk - btw one wonders if the secret chiefs themselves have any idea of where they are going?:smile:

[JUPITERASC]

the secret chiefs have an idea of where they want to go - but where could that possibly be? IMO all those involved would be wise to heed the warning of an Iranian citizen that "Iran is NOT a Iraq & your leaders are sending you to your graves!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frkIQtSk4W0&feature=related:smile:

[Mark]

Seems like I remember someone saying something about "wars and rumours of wars." :innocent:

[Nexus7]

I kid you not I had a dream we were nuked by missiles along with NY (meaning we as in LA) and I saw PUTIN his name over blackness. This man is either the anti christ or the predecessor to the anti christ. I cannot make sure which of which.

And the Americans are not war mongerers?

[Jesusistheway]

And the Americans are not war mongerers?

Out of context.

[Nexus7]

Out of context.

Who says? Am I not allowed to challenge the premise that the biggest warmongerers are the Russians?

[Mark]

Oh, we Americans are definitely the bad guys on the world stage. I'm not sure that there are any good guys, but I'm sure that we're villains. Why? Because we're always the ones who are "defending ourselves" by invading other countries and taking/controlling their resources. Speaking nationally, we're often the ones victimising the victims, so it looks like we are the abusers.

[JUPITERASC]

Oh, we Americans are definitely the bad guys on the world stage. I'm not sure that there are any good guys, but I'm sure that we're villains. Why? Because we're always the ones who are "defending ourselves" by invading other countries and taking/controlling their resources. Speaking nationally, we're often the ones victimising the victims, so it looks like we are the abusers.I wonder if there are enough of the good guys - whoever they are!:smile:

[Neptune Rising]

It depends on who has the most insanity to press the button! With the energies coming up over the next few years, I hope they start practicing some meditation and yoga! It seems they are exercising their force/masculine principles while they can...

[CapAquaPis]

I'm afraid the possibility of a global (nuclear?) war is imminent and not only the Russians are threatening us and our allies, the Syrians are in bed with Iran and the Chinese joined in an UN veto (Russia voted) against new sanctions against Syria. The issue of the Golan Heights annexed by Israel but remains under Syrian jurisdiction, can lead to an Israeli army response.

Putin has made amends with former Soviet era adversaries Iran and China, as well the Chinese link with North Korea under a newly appointed leader Kim Jong Un and to add Iran's pursued interest in helping Venezuela (Hugo Chavez) who is allied with Leftist regimes in Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua and Cuba in its half century old hostile political distrust of the US by their communist regime, under Fidel's brother Raul Castro.

In astrological terms to be brought up, the planet Mars enters Scorpio from April or May to July or August...already rumor has it said the US Departments of State and Defense on Israel plans to attack one of Iran's nuclear facilities in between April to June. This action along with US and British naval interference with Iran's oil blockade in the Strait of Hormuz can trigger a big vicious conflict.

[JUPITERASC]

I'm afraid the possibility of a global (nuclear?) war is imminent ....
Prophetic words CapAquaPis? Key events in Syria! :smile:

"BELLIGERENT BLACKMAIL - UNITED NATIONS BEING MANIPULATED INTO TAKING ACTION" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tad3In-mV1Q

49 WORD QUOTE:
"The fall of Damascus may be drawn-out, bloody and excruciating. It will also have wide regional repercussions, as DEBKAfile shows in this exclusive video, because neither the Assad regime nor Iran will take it lying down. Some sources report Syrian chemical weapons have already been used against rebel concentrations" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vEYrKO_3ZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoVLYbaFE8Y

[kimbermoon]

seems the thread has lost interest, although it is a very important topic...indeed the similarities with the Cuban Missile Crisis [1962] are alarming...it's comin' around again! I recommend the viewing of 'Thirteen days' with Kevin Costner, which gives a break-down of what it was all about at that time. I was only 8 years old at the time, and without understanding what it was really all about, we were terrified...at school we did not do earthquake drills...instead it was drills against a nuclear attack...imagine the dreams we carry of that time when we were so suseptible to fear and terror!

[piercethevale]

I can tell you this. Edgar Cayce did say in a couple or more readings, out of both what was formerly the Soviet Union and out of China, that the U.S.S.R., after communism fell, would produce an individual that would be instrumental in bringing the truer form of Christianity to the world as to what Yeshu'a/Jesus actually taught and that China would be the source for the newest sect of it that was the hope of the world in the future.
My own clairvoyant source, Clarisse Conner, whom I mention often, has said that we are about to go through something that will look for all appearances to be like the Armageddon mentioned in the New Testament to most everybody. She also called it a 'Drill', a "Test" and for people people to not lose their heads or their faith and "to not be fooled by appearances no matter what I see."
America will be unscathed pretty much by the whole affair and that everyone in the world, that has the wherewithal to get here will try but will be unable too, according to what I remember from the Cayce material. I seem to remember that Cayce said there will be some kind of very devastating war in the Middle East and around India and China, that China will side with the Islamics in the affair.
But we all should remember that no clairvoyant or psychic has the ability to "see" the actual future...only possibilities...be it that they are seeing the most likely possibility.
Israel will survive. All the clairvoyants, worth a 'hoot', have said this. The United States will as well. It wasn't said to be the same for the other nations that will be involved in it. I figure India will, for the most part, but I also take it that there won't be much left of some or all of the Islamic nations after it is over, from what all I gathered from Cayce's words. But again, like I said, no clairvoyant can actually predict what will happen.

[kimbermoon]

[QUOTE=piercethevale;411895] She also called it a 'Drill', a "Test" and for people people to not lose their heads or their faith and "to not be fooled by appearances no matter what I see."
America will be unscathed pretty much by the whole affair and that everyone in the world, that has the wherewithal to get here will try but will be unable too, according to what I remember from the Cayce material. But we all should remember that no clairvoyant or psychic has the ability to "see" the actual future...only possibilities...be it that they are seeing the most likely possibility.]
thanks for your input: I agree that predictions are not actually set in stone but they can still outline the potentiality of specific outcomes, often based on historical planetary cycles. I tend to disagree with your statement about America being unscathed by the meltdown, though...do you not see what is happening all around there: we must remember that the mainstream news media are politically controlled, and thereby their version of what is important and what is truly going on is carefully guarded...you know, the concern over fear mongering. When you begin to actually see beyond the illusion that has been created to keep the people calm and submissive, and get the true facts about the bigger picture, I would challenge anyone not to be concerned; in so saying this is not to be consumed by fear, but to be attentive to the domino effect currently underway, that also involves america...and the reality is that the people are being misinformed deliberately, even though they have been given to fear mongering themselves in the past with all the false flags: the difference is that the government wants to control their fear-mongering while true journalists are after getting to the truth of the things...and soon it will be the end of innocence I fear, for many Americans as well; think the Great Depression, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the attack on Japan, to end the second world war; the american revolution in the past; the civil uprisings in the 60's; the student war protests against Vietnam in the 70's, the significant depression in the early 80's; the recent uprisings of the Anonymous movement now underway; there are many aware individuals,you see,who are willing to stand up against tyranny and political engineering of the people, yet the many continue to remain in denial so as not to have to act or be informed. In the end it is all about fear, and it takes courage for those willing to stand up in protest against being controlled and manipulated by ill-intended governments. As far as America, well they may very well be the worst tyrants of all, in league with Al queda now...what's up with that? the government there has racked up a huge degree of Universal debt, which will come due before many of the people have been awakened enough to prepare for coming collapse; the towers will fall, it is only a question of 'when'. Just my thoughts; thanks again for your input.
take what you will, and leave the rest

[kimbermoon]

btw, the Y2K 'fiasco' as claimed by many was truly the onset of the Armaggedon and we are well underway in that battle already...and they said that Rome could never fall!

[piercethevale]

[QUOTE=piercethevale;411895] She also called it a 'Drill', a "Test" and for people people to not lose their heads or their faith and "to not be fooled by appearances no matter what I see."
America will be unscathed pretty much by the whole affair and that everyone in the world, that has the wherewithal to get here will try but will be unable too, according to what I remember from the Cayce material. But we all should remember that no clairvoyant or psychic has the ability to "see" the actual future...only possibilities...be it that they are seeing the most likely possibility.]
thanks for your input: I agree that predictions are not actually set in stone but they can still outline the potentiality of specific outcomes, often based on historical planetary cycles. I tend to disagree with your statement about America being unscathed by the meltdown, though...do you not see what is happening all around there: we must remember that the mainstream news media are politically controlled, and thereby their version of what is important and what is truly going on is carefully guarded...you know, the concern over fear mongering. When you begin to actually see beyond the illusion that has been created to keep the people calm and submissive, and get the true facts about the bigger picture, I would challenge anyone not to be concerned; in so saying this is not to be consumed by fear, but to be attentive to the domino effect currently underway, that also involves america...and the reality is that the people are being misinformed deliberately, even though they have been given to fear mongering themselves in the past with all the false flags: the difference is that the government wants to control their fear-mongering while true journalists are after getting to the truth of the things...and soon it will be the end of innocence I fear, for many Americans as well; think the Great Depression, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the attack on Japan, to end the second world war; the american revolution in the past; the civil uprisings in the 60's; the student war protests against Vietnam in the 70's, the significant depression in the early 80's; the recent uprisings of the Anonymous movement now underway; there are many aware individuals,you see,who are willing to stand up against tyranny and political engineering of the people, yet the many continue to remain in denial so as not to have to act or be informed. In the end it is all about fear, and it takes courage for those willing to stand up in protest against being controlled and manipulated by ill-intended governments. As far as America, well they may very well be the worst tyrants of all, in league with Al queda now...what's up with that? the government there has racked up a huge degree of Universal debt, which will come due before many of the people have been awakened enough to prepare for coming collapse; the towers will fall, it is only a question of 'when'. Just my thoughts; thanks again for your input.
take what you will, and leave the rest

Howdy, kimbermoon.
I just wanted it to be clear that what I said was from what I remember of Cayce's predictions for the time of this scenario. He said that America would be the most relatively safest haven. If your aware of one of one of his predictions concerning the more distant future that was from a 'dream' that Edgar had. Then you might recall his saying that in that dream he was standing on the west coast looking out over the Pacific Ocean, in the state of Nebraska...or it may have been Kansas, I can't quite recall but it was definitely one or the other. [....and again, I wish member 'Mark' would drop in once in awhile, as he is way more 'fresh' with all the Cayce material than I am. Most of what I read about the man and His readings was over 35 years ago...some I haven't read a second time since I first read anything related to Edgar Cayce in 1961, and there's a great deal I've never read, particularly the health readings, as there are so many and most of them concern ailments I didn't have nor have yet to date.]
I'm pretty sure that in the same dream Edgar said that New York City was being completely rebuilt after having been either completely destroyed or made entirely uninhabitable for a great many years. This was [again my memory is hazy] either 100 years in the future, from the time Cayce had that dream ['30s or '40s', most likely] or the around the beginning of the 22nd Century.
He did say that there would be a great deal of Angelic presence and assistance in the coming conflict and would appear soon before things got to a boil. Edgar said something about how they will demonstrate their presence by signs... one of which is appearing as "lights in the sky"...and you may have noticed the rash of sightings these past couple few years involving lights, that people are calling UFOs...which most are assuming to mean 'spacecraft' of some sort... Angels are UFOs too [and I seem to recall that Edgar said that some "Ascended Beings" would also be sent and would appear in the same manner and way.]

The more recent and very controversial Sean David Morton [whom I first heard and heard of on the 'Art Bell radio program back in the 1990's has said that the United States will break up into smaller nations or nation states...I seem to recall that He predicts some six to eight of them...which I myself, believe to, have already seen the stirrings of this.

Regardless of all that above I think it would well serve everyone [and to especially remind those in the U.S.A.'s military ranks] that of the very, very few Generals in known history, that were never defeated even once that list includes a Russian, Suvorov, an Arab, Khalid ibn al-Walid and the renowned Genghis Khan.

[kimbermoon]

thanks for your input about Cayce...I too spent a transitory phase years ago about his writings, but don't remember much either...in truth I have never been totally hooked on prophecies, since like the bible, they are open to a wide margin of personal interpretation anyway. What I do believe is that in order to know where we are going, we must first know where we've been. This is why I trust in astrology, and the planetary cycles for signs in the skies. and those who have forgotten history are doomed to repeat it. Thanks for sharing your input.:tongue:

[JUPITERASC]

Ron Paul comments on 'US obsession' with Iran :smile:
"First Syria Then Iran" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKpVK1woHw

[retinoid]

nobody is going to start a nuclear war.

[Fifth House Sun]

http://www.babaji.net/PDF/26_jul_1979-16_nov_1982.pdf

[Zonark]

Hawkwind - "(Only) The Dead Dreams of the Cold War Kid"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOPWsoM1D5E&feature=related

Oh god I love this band and just discovered them recently.

Also Russia (it comes in parts, skip to 4:10);

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHw90NYdwyI

Russia isn't going to bomb anyone. The whole country is practically in anarchy.

[Fifth House Sun]

Soviet Union and out of China, that the U.S.S.R., after communism fell, would produce an individual that would be instrumental in bringing the truer form of Christianity to the world as to what Yeshu'a/Jesus actually taught and that China would be the source for the newest sect of it that was the hope of the world in the future.

There are prophecies from South America that reflect that .... will come from, or return, from the East.

The Hopi prophecy of the True White Brother Says that depending on whether he comes from the east or west, respective to their lands, will determine the amount of destruction that will befall North America, as he could come from the East to the US from either the east or west.

Native American prophecy says that America will be, by the most probable path, largely destroyed, but that there will be people who survive. Also it says there is a time when it is too late to change the outcome.


A Hopi prophecy, I believe it was, also tells of a great migration to the US from South America.

[JUPITERASC]

nobody is going to start a nuclear war.
That's good news! On what source do you base your opinion? :smile:

[MSO]

Wow. You guys are really bored huh? Let's break this down...

Russia is going to nuke us!?!?!? OH EM GEE... no. That's not news. Welcome to the Cold War, kids. Russia is extremely unstable politically and has been for generations. This is not news.


Oh, we Americans are definitely the bad guys on the world stage. I'm not sure that there are any good guys, but I'm sure that we're villains. Why? Because we're always the ones who are "defending ourselves" by invading other countries and taking/controlling their resources. Speaking nationally, we're often the ones victimising the victims, so it looks like we are the abusers.

I know, right? America is evil. Not only did they save Europe from Nazi conquerors, they also rebuilt it! The nerve! AND they stopped Japan from conquering Asia (and then rebuilt Japan), helping the Chinese who would later turn on America and become one of the biggest problems in the political world. Can you believe America is such a bad guy? Wait, they also halted the expansion of communism into South Korea (along with the UN, mind you), allowing it to become a prosperous nation while it's northern counterpart lives in horrible conditions? EVIL! AMERICA IS PURE EVIL!

But wait, they also tried to stop communism in Vietnam! Then they tried to stop it in several African countries! THEN they had the nerve to declare war on Iraq after it attacked it's peaceful neighbor over oil fields! And the countless other small conflicts from the 1950s to present that America, ALONG WITH THE U.N., had a part in. My god, can you imagine how evil you have to be to try to take out dictators in small African countries that torture and kill their own populace? WE NEED JESUS!

The funny thing is that all these little countries hate America. Why is that funny? Because America sends them more aid than every other country on the planet... combined. Evil people be dwelling in dem dere Americas. Such a warmongering populace!

And here I thought you were just as evil turning a blind eye to violence as the people committing it... silly me and my patriotic views.

And enough with the prophecies people. Really. They're extremely vague, and there's a reason: It's easier to be right. Allow me to demonstrate...

The old masters of [insert long-lost civilization] warned that some day, at some point, in some place, GREAT DESTRUCTION WILL OCCUR. But, as usual, there's a glimmer of hope! If people change their ways, they won't be destroyed! And furthermore, even if this great destruction happens, not everyone will die!

And of course there's Bigfoot, the New Jersey Devil, yetis, and Loch Ness monsters roaming around in the wild.

Allow me to give you a prophecy based on history. America falls, like you all want it to, and the world falls with it. It happened in history. Repeatedly. When the superpower that kept all the little tykes in check goes bye-bye, war breaks out; on a huge scale.

tl;dr - Russia won't do anything because they never do. Americans aren't the bad guys and don't deserve to be destroyed. Prophecies are mumbo jumbo.

-MSO

[Fifth House Sun]

Gigantopithecus blacki
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo162/htsnyder2/kot37055_0607ta.jpg

My guess is that people just want America to be the best that it can be. Change is the only thing that is constant and people are just expressing their opinions on how it could change for the better.

America is going in many directions all at once.

[retinoid]

That's good news! On what source do you base your opinion? :smile:

It will never happen. Sorry if all your bomb shelter food is going to go bad.

[Fifth House Sun]

It will never happen. Sorry if all your bomb shelter food is going to go bad.

What do you think about Denver, Airport?

[retinoid]

What do you think about Denver, Airport?

It's a nice air port

[retinoid]

Allow me to give you a prophecy based on history. America falls, like you all want it to, and the world falls with it. It happened in history. Repeatedly. When the superpower that kept all the little tykes in check goes bye-bye, war breaks out; on a huge scale.


I cannot speak for everyone, but you would have to be blind to defend the American government. For it is very similar to Russia's government, China's government, etc. They are not for the people, and the government is corrupt and cares nothing about us except that we help support their very egotistical and sociopathic agendas. To defend the Vietnam war, is ridiculous and to applaud the government for its 'aid' when it usually goes to dictators, war lords and weapons to suppress the populace is equally ridiculous. Every large country is like this now. But just because you are patriotic doesn't mean you must be blind and deaf and dumb.

[Fifth House Sun]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/reich.html

[MSO]

I cannot speak for everyone, but you would have to be blind to defend the American government. For it is very similar to Russia's government, China's government, etc. They are not for the people, and the government is corrupt and cares nothing about us except that we help support their very egotistical and sociopathic agendas. To defend the Vietnam war, is ridiculous and to applaud the government for its 'aid' when it usually goes to dictators, war lords and weapons to suppress the populace is equally ridiculous. Every large country is like this now. But just because you are patriotic doesn't mean you must be blind and deaf and dumb.

This, right here, shows how very little you know of the political climate surrounding the Cold War. The "war" in Vietnam was a product of very thought-out political maneuvering by both the Russians and the Americans. Had America went back to it's isolationist roots, we could have easily been dragged right back into another world war. Isolationism DOES NOT WORK. The first two World Wars speak volumes for that. In today's climate, allowing two countries to duke it out one-on-one is not a smart thing to do. It was petty, small-time conflicts that led to the entire world fighting in the early 20th century. Take a look at what caused the first two world wars. Instead of blindly joining the ranks of your fellow leftist brethren, do some research. Just because you hate America doesn't mean you have to be blind, deaf, and dumb.

Furthermore, if you look at who participated in each of America's military excursions after World War I, you'll find our government never once acted alone or without provocation. Someone was always there to ask for our help or go in with us, namely the UN.

And as an added bonus, I'll throw this in. Selling weapons to other countries doesn't make you evil. Having weapons means you have a military. Having a military means you don't need the American military to defend you. Not having the American military to defend you means small-minded people like you won't get irate at the big bad American government that is totally "not for the people" coming in to save you when your Communist neighbors start attacking you (for no reason other than to force their ideology on you, by the way), which would've been prevented if only there was a country there to check the aggressiveness of the USSR: OH WAIT, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN VIETNAM!

Open a history book before you open your mouth.

[retinoid]

And as an added bonus, I'll throw this in. Selling weapons to other countries doesn't make you evil. Having weapons means you have a military. Having a military means you don't need the American military to defend you. Not having the American military to defend you means small-minded people like you won't get irate at the big bad American government that is totally "not for the people" coming in to save you when your Communist neighbors start attacking you (for no reason other than to force their ideology on you, by the way), which would've been prevented if only there was a country there to check the aggressiveness of the USSR: OH WAIT, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN VIETNAM!

Open a history book before you open your mouth.

So we went into Iraq in 2003 for what reason since you said in every war we were attacked?

Selling weapons to dictators and despots and training dictators on how to TORTURE (Shah of Iran) is EVIL.

I am not defending the USSR, Russia now and China...they are all the same as the U.S. govt. I am just simply saying they are all the same. The ideals of America are dead in the government. If you support the government you ARE anti-American...

[JUPITERASC]

Some historical data :smile:

“....'Trinity was a test of an implosion-design plutonium device. The weapon's informal nickname was 'The Gadget'. Using the same conceptual design, the 'Fat Man' device was detonated over Nagasaki, Japan August 1945. The Trinity detonation produced an explosive power equivalent to the explosion of about 20 kilotons of TNT”

Scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer speaks about atomic bombs at the Capitol Building in Washington, DC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htJS5GKdaXs


“....'Trinity' was the code name of the first nuclear weapons test of an atomic bomb. This test was conducted by the United States Army in the Jornada del Muerto desert about 35 miles (56 km) southeast of Socorro, New Mexico, at the new White Sands Proving Ground, which incorporated the Alamogordo Bombing and Gunnery Range. The site is now the White Sands Missile Range. The test is usually considered to be the beginning of the Atomic Age" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA8z94MXo9M&feature=related


“Martin Sherwin, author of American Prometheus, a devastating biography of Robert Oppenheimer, the physicist who oversaw the creation of the atomic bomb, was the recipient of the 2006 Pulitzer Prize and National Book Critics Circle Award. He discusses his book with Tsuyoshi Hasegawa of UCSB's History Department. Series: 'Voices'.........” THE TRIUMPH AND TRAGEDY OF DR ROBERT OPPENHEIMER. A WORLD DESTROYED - OPPENHEIMER'S SHADOW - HIS NUCLEAR WORLD AND OURS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y_WPMCZy74&feature=related

[MSO]

So we went into Iraq in 2003 for what reason since you said in every war we were attacked?

Selling weapons to dictators and despots and training dictators on how to TORTURE (Shah of Iran) is EVIL.

I am not defending the USSR, Russia now and China...they are all the same as the U.S. govt. I am just simply saying they are all the same. The ideals of America are dead in the government. If you support the government you ARE anti-American...

You're right! There was no reason to go to war with Iraq! (Well, except for the fact that Saddam Hussein was a nutjob that continuously threatened us and our allies, not to mention oppressed his own people) So you're saying the American government is evil because Bush went to war with a country for no legit reason? The ENTIRE government is EVIL because of that?

Edit: I'd also like to say that if America could remove the regimes from some of the other players in the Communist/dictator countries without extreme political ramifications (like WW3), they SHOULD. The North Koreans and Iranians in particular would benefit greatly from this.

I don't know much about this dictator and despot training. I'm more of a history buff than a political science buff, but seeing as to how everything else you've said is severely leftist-oriented, I'm going to go ahead and dismiss that as nonsense as well.

I think your point of view is that we should go back to isolationism. It doesn't work, brother. If we sit back and do nothing, the world WILL drag us into another world war. Come off it, man. By intervening in all of the world's problems, the government is effectively making sure me, you, all of your leftist buddies, and everyone else on this forum (including non-Americans), don't have to be involved in a conflict that would undoubtedly be more deadly than the deadliest war in world history (WW2).

I'd like to walk through the streets of Iraq in about 5 years and ask them if they're happier with American intervention or if they'd prefer to have their faithful dictator back.

[JUPITERASC]

.......I'd like to walk through the streets of Iraq in about 5 years ...
And so would the residents of Iraq... if there are many remaining! :smile:

However the unfortunate reality is that much of Iraq's infrastructure has been obliterated by enriched uranium bombs

97 word extract sourced from THREE WAYS TO OBLITERATE A NATION'S HEALTHCARE SYSTEM http://www.care2.com/causes/3-ways-to-obliterate-a-nations-healthcare-system.html

“...........'Fixing the healthcare system', 'improving quality of life', and 'healthy children' are hot topics in Iraq, and not just among aid/development workers. Iraq’s healthcare system was once envied by much of the Middle East, and families from all over came to Iraq for medical treatment. Unfortunately, the opposite is now true. Iraq has fallen far, and people here know it and discuss it often. Also unfortunately, despite these conversations being well-intentioned (because we all want people to be healthy, right?) much of the talk is focused on symptoms rather than root causes–fish handouts rather than fishing lessons.......”

[MSO]

And so would the residents of Iraq... if there are many remaining! :smile:

However the unfortunate reality is that much of Iraq's infrastructure has been obliterated by enriched uranium bombs

97 word extract sourced from THREE WAYS TO OBLITERATE A NATION'S HEALTHCARE SYSTEM http://www.care2.com/causes/3-ways-to-obliterate-a-nations-healthcare-system.html

“...........'Fixing the healthcare system', 'improving quality of life', and 'healthy children' are hot topics in Iraq, and not just among aid/development workers. Iraq’s healthcare system was once envied by much of the Middle East, and families from all over came to Iraq for medical treatment. Unfortunately, the opposite is now true. Iraq has fallen far, and people here know it and discuss it often. Also unfortunately, despite these conversations being well-intentioned (because we all want people to be healthy, right?) much of the talk is focused on symptoms rather than root causes–fish handouts rather than fishing lessons.......”

A war-torn country is having problems?

http://www.dazzlejunction.com/graphics/glitter-notes/no-way.gif

[JUPITERASC]

Edit: I'd also like to say that if America could remove the regimes from some of the other players in the Communist/dictator countries without extreme political ramifications (like WW3), they SHOULD. The North Koreans and Iranians in particular would benefit greatly from this.

Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in advance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8&feature=youtu.be Srdja Popovic is featured as one of the founders of the organisation 'Otpor', a revolution training school:smile:

[JUPITERASC]

A war-torn country is having problems?

http://www.dazzlejunction.com/graphics/glitter-notes/no-way.gif
Fwiw IMO those current problems were caused - and continue to be caused - by what was, and continues to be, an illegal war - although you seem unaware of that fact :smile:

[MSO]

Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in advance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8&feature=youtu.be Srdja Popovic is featured as one of the founders of the organisation 'Otpor', a revolution training school:smile:

Should I even bother looking at that conspiracy nonsense?

Fwiw IMO those current problems were caused - and continue to be caused - by what was, and continues to be, an illegal war - although you seem unaware of that fact :smile:


When did it become obvious I wasn't aware it's an illegal war? Was it when I said "You're right! There was no reason to go to war with Iraq!" in a previous post?

[JUPITERASC]

Should I even bother looking at that conspiracy nonsense?
Fwiw IMO the theory that conspiracies are merely theoretical is an interesting one :smile:

[MSO]

Fwiw IMO the theory that conspiracies are merely theoretical is an interesting one :smile:

That's off topic and we can discuss for several pages about that.

[JUPITERASC]

fwiw you raised the subject when you commented
Should I even bother looking at that conspiracy nonsense?

I simply responded to the question...
Fwiw IMO the theory that conspiracies are merely theoretical is an interesting one :smile:
In any event

8 months ago: CHINESE GENERAL THREATENS THIRD WORLD WAR TO PROTECT IRAN – with subtitles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JPVIdibMGI

[MSO]

fwiw you raised the subject when you commented

I simply responded to the question...

In any event

8 months ago: CHINESE GENERAL THREATENS THIRD WORLD WAR TO PROTECT IRAN – with subtitles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JPVIdibMGI

^Bluff. China can barely sustain it's own borders. If any of the countries in China's immediate vicinity posed even the remotest threat to them, they wouldn't be such big talkers. Rest assured they won't rub Russia the wrong way should a war break out with the western powers.

I don't believe there will ever be a nuclear war, and I don't believe there will ever be another large-scale world-wide conflict. People remember World War II, and for the nations that actually fought in it, it's the last thing they want; both politically and economically. And this means the US, China, Russia, and the European powers will be very, very hesitant to start something that can't be stopped.

[Neptune Rising]

This reminds me of the 80s, when I was at school and there was fear in the air of nuclear war. I remember drills of what to do, just in case a nuclear bomb went off, eg store canned foods, build underground hiding places.

I know there is the Uranus Pluto square, which is pretty potent in those signs. And I read somewhere, cant remember where, that people with Uranus in Scorpio (me) would live through some violent times. I don't think the nations would be stupid enough to start a nuclear war. I know those in power, (not necessarily the politicians, rather, those who actually pull the strings) do do some stupid things, to make a buck and maintain their positions. But surely not a nuclear war, we all have to breath the same air here on earth..

Saying that, I had a really scary dream 6 days ago about a nuclear type of bomb that went off. It made people's faces melt, bodies melt, but didn't explode like a normal bomb, instead, it was more silent and worked through vibrations..

[Fifth House Sun]

i'd like to walk through what was once ancient Babylon myself, but they may take a few years. i hope they didn't **** it up too bad.

[Zonark]

i'd like to walk through what was once ancient Babylon myself, but they may take a few years. i hope they didn't **** it up too bad.

Man, the museum and the ancient sites were some of the first casualties of the ground troops, there's not much history left that hasn't been blown to **** or stolen :pouty:

[retinoid]

MSO you truly need to do research on 'political history' then. The U.S. has a long history of supporting very evil people and selling weapons to bad groups and people in exchange for 'favors' (Mubarak????)...now, every country does it. But to elevate this government over other governments is ridiculous.


Edit: I'd also like to say that if America could remove the regimes from some of the other players in the Communist/dictator countries without extreme political ramifications (like WW3), they SHOULD. The North Koreans and Iranians in particular would benefit greatly from this.

I think your point of view is that we should go back to isolationism. It doesn't work, brother. If we sit back and do nothing, the world WILL drag us into another world war. Come off it, man. By intervening in all of the world's problems, the government is effectively making sure me, you, all of your leftist buddies, and everyone else on this forum (including non-Americans), don't have to be involved in a conflict that would undoubtedly be more deadly than the deadliest war in world history (WW2).

1) you and the ann coulter types should all join a special military unit and go and fight these 'preemptive wars of fear'...
2) I am not afraid in any way shape or form of being 'nuked'/attacked by Iran or North Korea. Or China and Russia for that matter. It is ridiculous to think any country will attack the U.S. other than economically or through cyber warfare (which the U.S. is neglecting).
3)There will never be a traditional world war again. The weapons we have make prevent this from happening. Which is why countries fight wars against each other every day through other means, when in reality we should be cooperating with each other or...competing through economic means. Nobody will pull the 'war' card...

[MSO]

MSO you truly need to do research on 'political history' then. The U.S. has a long history of supporting very evil people and selling weapons to bad groups and people in exchange for 'favors' (Mubarak????)...now, every country does it. But to elevate this government over other governments is ridiculous.

I guess so. I don't know anything about that. Tell me, though. Where did you learn about it?


1) you and the ann coulter types should all join a special military unit and go and fight these 'preemptive wars of fear'...
2) I am not afraid in any way shape or form of being 'nuked'/attacked by Iran or North Korea. Or China and Russia for that matter. It is ridiculous to think any country will attack the U.S. other than economically or through cyber warfare (which the U.S. is neglecting).
3)There will never be a traditional world war again. The weapons we have make prevent this from happening. Which is why countries fight wars against each other every day through other means, when in reality we should be cooperating with each other or...competing through economic means. Nobody will pull the 'war' card...

1) Lol. Who is Ann Coulter?
2) Do you want to know why you're not afraid of being nuked by any country? I'll give you a hint, it starts with U and ends with .S. Military
3) Yes, lets cooperate with each other. You should be President, retinoid. It's so simple! Instead of letting petty things like, oh I don't know, other countries threatening each other with war get in our ways, we should just let them do whatever they want! We should cooperate with them! We should just let North Korea invade and control South Korea, we should just let Iran "take back" it's empire in the Middle East. Why the heck not? It can't possibly come back on us, right? I mean, it's not like these people are openly hostile to the U.S. or anything. Psh don't be ridiculous America!

Oh, and by the way, when airplanes, TNT, chemical weapons, and machine guns were invented, they didn't think we'd have another world war then either. It'd be impossible to overcome trench warfare, they said. There's no way around trench warfare, they claimed. Oh hi, WW2, didn't see you sitting there.

[retinoid]

I guess so. I don't know anything about that. Tell me, though. Where did you learn about it?

Common knowledge....ever heard of the Iran-contra affair? Look that up for starters. And the relationship with Mubarak and the relationship with the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein...all evil people that the U.S supported (even knowing they were evil). All later just creating MORE problems for the U.S.


2) Do you want to know why you're not afraid of being nuked by any country? I'll give you a hint, it starts with U and ends with .S. MilitaryI am not afraid of being nuked because countries have self preservation built into them.


3) Yes, lets cooperate with each other. You should be President, retinoid. It's so simple! Instead of letting petty things like, oh I don't know, other countries threatening each other with war get in our ways, we should just let them do whatever they want! We should cooperate with them! We should just let North Korea invade and control South Korea, we should just let Iran "take back" it's empire in the Middle East. Why the heck not? It can't possibly come back on us, right? I mean, it's not like these people are openly hostile to the U.S. or anything. Psh don't be ridiculous America!Idk, Switzerland seems to be doing fine and they don't need to invade and meddle in every country. The only reason why the U.S. invades and meddles nowadays is due to 'interests', usually to maintain corporate superiority as well as resources (like China is doing in Africa).


Oh, and by the way, when airplanes, TNT, chemical weapons, and machine guns were invented, they didn't think we'd have another world war then either. It'd be impossible to overcome trench warfare, they said. There's no way around trench warfare, they claimed. Oh hi, WW2, didn't see you sitting there.Yeah except air planes, tnt, chemical weapons and machine guns don't destroy countries in a flash of light as well as mutating dna and causing cancer long after.

[MSO]

Common knowledge....ever heard of the Iran-contra affair? Look that up for starters. And the relationship with Mubarak and the relationship with the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein...all evil people that the U.S supported (even knowing they were evil). All later just creating MORE problems for the U.S.

Supporting Iraq was a containment measure against post-revolutionary Iran, who, FYI, was at war with Iraq. It was intended primarily to prevent Iran from conquering another nation and expanding it's power and influence in a very unstable region (which would be bad since, as we all know, the Iranian government isn't exactly the friendliest). We could care less if Iraq was a bad guy, as long as the bigger bad guy didn't win. And why was the Shah of Iran an evil person? Or do you think the US continued support after the revolution?

I am not afraid of being nuked because countries have self preservation built into them.

Clearly you're unaware of the position North Korea is in. It's a dictatorship and prior to Kim Jong Il's death, it was led by a person with questionable sanity.

And, like your buddies you get this information from, the leaders of some of these countries are radicals. They believe in drastic change in the world and will probably stop at nothing to achieve it. They spread lies and misinformation with the hopes of gaining popular support from the common populace. Notice how this seems eerily similar to what you're doing right now? It's a tactic the Communists use very well.

Idk, Switzerland seems to be doing fine and they don't need to invade and meddle in every country. The only reason why the U.S. invades and meddles nowadays is due to 'interests', usually to maintain corporate superiority as well as resources (like China is doing in Africa).

Apples and oranges. Switzerland doesn't have many natural resources that another country would want to bloody it's hands for. It also has some of the best natural defenses in the world, and a population trained in the military who all continue to own weaponry once they're discharged. Even the Nazis in World War II, who were crazy enough to attack Russia and stay during the winter, were unwilling to attack Switzerland. Are you and your neighbors trained to fight a war, and have assault rifles at the ready in case you're invaded? Do you plan to live out the rest of your existence hiding in the Rockies?

Also, this "invading and meddling" that America seems to be doing so much of is done because we're asked to do it. Rest assured, if North Korea attacks South Korea, we will be the bad guys if we let it happen. But we're also meddling in other countries' affairs if we don't. If we're smart, we'll pick the lesser of the two evils and let the socialists like yourself get mad and pout and shake your fists because no one listens to you anyways.

Yeah except air planes, tnt, chemical weapons and machine guns don't destroy countries in a flash of light as well as mutating dna and causing cancer long after.

Do you know what warfare was like before World War 2? You lined up a bunch of men and put cannons behind them, with horsemen on the flanks, and you marched them into battle to the sound of drums. Can you possibly imagine what it would be like to do that with machine guns firing at you, clouds of mustard gas floating across the field, and airplanes dropping bombs on your heads? If you think we had all of the tactics we have now when they were first invented, you're wrong. Nobody could figure out how to overcome these dangerous weapons and the world spent several years hiding in trenches (similar to hiding in fallout shelters) until someone invented a moving fortress (the tank) that could push through small-arms fire and gas attacks. And even then, the real end of the war happened when the Spanish flu decimated the ranks on both sides.

A third world war is a real possibility. Just because you can't think up any tactics for overcoming unmanned drones and precision bomb attacks doesn't mean the enemy can't. The threat of nuclear war is long-since passed with civilized nations, but war will still happen between them.

[JUPITERASC]

i'd like to walk through what was once ancient Babylon myself, but they may take a few years. i hope they didn't **** it up too bad.
Man, the museum and the ancient sites were some of the first casualties of the ground troops, there's not much history left that hasn't been blown to **** or stolen :pouty:
Interesting.... while many currently mourn the barbaric destruction of the famous Library of Alexandria and are shocked at the rationale of the people who could have done that YET the wholesale destruction/attempted obliteration of one of the world's oldest civilisations continues unabated to this day :smile:

78 word extract sourced from details of an Exhibition Currently Located At An English Museum http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/latest/news/catastrophe-the-looting-and-destruction-of-iraq-039-s-past.html

QUOTE

“The destruction of Iraq’s archaeology following the 2003 invasion by coalition forces had a devastating effect on the country’s cultural heritage.

Often called the ‘cradle of civilization’, ancient Iraq was the birth place of cities, writing and the wheel. The 2003 looting of the National Museum in Baghdad caused significant damage to important artefacts, but the ongoing and large-scale looting of archaeological sites throughout Iraq has become an even greater threat to the world’s shared cultural heritage”

[kimbermoon]

nobody is going to start a nuclear war.
Is that because you have faith in the M.A.D principle? Principles are all well and good when agreed to by honest men of integrity and passion. such is no longer the case in our world. It is quite clear scientifically that nuclear detonations can be done, without worldwide destruction. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, which was narrowly averted by the act of imposing sanctions against the Cubans to encourage them to stand down. They were backed by the Russians who have always had a thorn in their side towards the U.S. Since the 50's there has been another insidious war of a nuclear nature going on, simply by use of the ongoing nuclear testing that has taken place, albeit away from populations, however the truth such frequent detonations have still had the ability to trickle their way into the health conditions of the masses even at a distance. As such it may not be a typical type of war, it is still an ongoing war to cripple the people in many phsyical ways to bring us to the place we are now at: being extremely vulnerable to oppression and dominance by those who wield their own power and greed. I'm just saying that a simple statement as you have offered, does not dismiss the idea that we are still in a global state of crisis. The people need to open their eyes and become more aware of all the other potential crises going on all around us. respectfully.

[retinoid]

Is that because you have faith in the M.A.D principle? Principles are all well and good when agreed to by honest men of integrity and passion. such is no longer the case in our world. It is quite clear scientifically that nuclear detonations can be done, without worldwide destruction. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis, which was narrowly averted by the act of imposing sanctions against the Cubans to encourage them to stand down. They were backed by the Russians who have always had a thorn in their side towards the U.S. Since the 50's there has been another insidious war of a nuclear nature going on, simply by use of the ongoing nuclear testing that has taken place, albeit away from populations, however the truth such frequent detonations have still had the ability to trickle their way into the health conditions of the masses even at a distance. As such it may not be a typical type of war, it is still an ongoing war to cripple the people in many phsyical ways to bring us to the place we are now at: being extremely vulnerable to oppression and dominance by those who wield their own power and greed. I'm just saying that a simple statement as you have offered, does not dismiss the idea that we are still in a global state of crisis. The people need to open their eyes and become more aware of all the other potential crises going on all around us. respectfully.

Not only do I have faith in M.A.D but I also know that 'they' won't allow a nuclear war to occur. Trust me, egotistical little humans do not hold the power in this world.

[retinoid]

MSO you and I will never agree so no point in arguing.

[MSO]

Not only do I have faith in M.A.D but I also know that 'they' won't allow a nuclear war to occur. Trust me, egotistical little humans do not hold the power in this world.

Why? Proof?

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And we'll never agree because my logic is based in the real world whereas yours is based in fantasy conspiracy land.

[kimbermoon]

Not that I would bother to argue the point; who knew that such a straightforward comment would generate such volatile reactions...indeed, forgive me for awakening you from your slumber.

[JUPITERASC]

Iran : United Nations chief Ban Ki-moon attends Iran Summit 22 August 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PhpJbswo50:smile: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PhpJbswo50)

[Anachiel]

...
“The destruction of Iraq’s archaeology following the 2003 invasion by coalition forces had a devastating effect on the country’s cultural heritage.

Often called the ‘cradle of civilization’, ancient Iraq was the birth place of cities, writing and the wheel. The 2003 looting of the National Museum in Baghdad caused significant damage to important artefacts, but the ongoing and large-scale looting of archaeological sites throughout Iraq has become an even greater threat to the world’s shared cultural heritage”

Excellent and most overlooked point, JUPITERASC. I don't even think most people realize that part of the world was PERSIA and farther back than that, as mentioned, the 'cradle of civilization'. Guess it's all grown up now, eh? lol

Anyway, the unrealized beauty that was there was astonishing..most sad..most sad...

[Anachiel]

My new favorite bit of conversation of the week:

1) you and the ann coulter types should all join a special military unit and go and fight these 'preemptive wars of fear'...
...


...1) Lol. Who is Ann Coulter?
.


ROTFLMAO! Ann Coulter....that you bring her up makes me laugh because...well, she makes me laugh she is so ridiculous....if she didn't take herself so seriously she could really be a great commedienne. She misplaced her calling...definitely.

THEN, the fact that there is actually someone left out there who has never heard of her is just an extra boon on the blessing. LOL! That's great.

[retinoid]

THEN, the fact that there is actually someone left out there who has never heard of her is just an extra boon on the blessing. LOL! That's great.

Yes anyone so partisan and ridiculous really has to be a comedian and reading from a script. At least I hope so.

[MSO]

Yes anyone so partisan and ridiculous really has to be a comedian and reading from a script. At least I hope so.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[JUPITERASC]

Syria Freedom Fighters Control Iraq Border Crossing 27 August 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgvXbs0_hY:smile: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgvXbs0_hY)

[JUPITERASC]

Iran Defends (Responds) to Attack on U.S. Drone - U.S. Protests

“If any foreign planes try to enter our country's space our armed forces will confront it” said Iranian Major General Seyed Masoud Jazaeri
source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-0P3Vof50

[knowhow999]

I have felt for quite some time that this Anti Christ is not an individual person. I think the Anti Christ is a process of sinking into darkness. If so, it would seem that we in the United States have become the Anti Christ all over the globe. Our actions all over the world (imperialist behaviors, seizing the resources of other nations, engaging in unjust wars etc etc etc.).
It would seem the only way out of this is to turn toward the light and become CHRIST/other loving entities within the world.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Happy Easter, Blessed Passover, Joyous Spring to all.
Knowhow999

[JUPITERASC]

I have felt for quite some time that this Anti Christ is not an individual person. I think the Anti Christ is a process of sinking into darkness. If so, it would seem that we in the United States have become the Anti Christ all over the globe. Our actions all over the world (imperialist behaviors, seizing the resources of other nations, engaging in unjust wars etc etc etc.).
It would seem the only way out of this is to turn toward the light and become CHRIST/other loving entities within the world.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

Happy Easter, Blessed Passover, Joyous Spring to all.
Knowhow999
bwt re: WMD's – i.e. 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' – useful to be aware of the worldwide consequences of their use... THIS 'WW3' DOCUMENTARY INCLUDES GRAPHIC IMAGES OF THE AFTERMATH OF THE WMD UNLEASHED ON HIROSHIMA AUGUST 1945 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTeWwPMiqvs

“15 August 1871 Albert Pike, 33 degree freemason, outlining plans for three world wars necessary to implement One World Order... amazing how accurately the letter predicted events that have already taken place.

(Those arguing that the terms Nazism and Zionism were unknown in 1871 should remember 'the Illuminati' invented both these movements. Additionally, Communism as ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YOyQm98jL0

IT SEEMS THAT 'WW3' PLANS WERE FORECAST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91jbsSHzAdk

[kimbermoon]

I do feel strongly that the U.S has much karma to amend for. Since their inception, they have been Takers of the world, and now will come the time for them to give back; I do agree also with your concept about the Anti-Christ. And what if Obama, already under suspicion of who he says he is, turns out to actually be the still undead Osama bin Laden; imagine how easy it could be for the government to have him undergo a total facial make-over, and become the biggest pretender in the world...one has to wonder now that he has become the leader of the Al Queida?

[JUPITERASC]

NORTH KOREA THREATENS TO CANCEL 1953 KOREAN WAR CEASEFIRE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-YhDC1sTqM