I'm confused about this Sabian symbol interpretation?

[soratothamax]

Alwaysastrology.com points out this with a friend's chart.

Interpretation of the 27° Taurus symbolic degree

"A man strives in vain to climb a pole while children laugh at his clumsiness. An exhausted woman holding a horse by the bridle walks towards them."

Active, ambitious, and conceited character. Owing to limited intellectual abilities and to lack of competence, projects are doom to fail. Furthermore, instead of acknowledging the kindness of protectors, one takes it for granted and believes that it is the just reward for one's worth. One must face the sad reality, understand that one lacks qualifications, and start to learn a job. Otherwise, one will remain a total laughing stock.


What does this mean is that she has limited intellectual abilities and lack of competence and has to realize it? Or that if she doesn't stop being conceited she will have limited intellectual abilities and will lack competence? Or is it saying she has two issues that cause her to be a laughing stock, and that is 1) she has limited intellectual and a lack of competence and 2) she doesn't acknowledge others helping her.


And is it saying that she lacks qualifications already and must learn to start to learn a job, or is it saying that she WILL lack qualifications unless she starts a new job because of her character?

[soratothamax]

Forgot the chart! oops! Sorry about that. Darn retrograde. :unsure:

[Ben]

If you are looking at the Sun in the posted chart, soratotamax - I regard that as Taurus 28, rather than Taurus 27.

Are you sure Alwaysastrology.com regard Taurus 27.41 as being symbolised by Taurus 27? (Some sites do - and they may be one of them)

[sdh3]

Alwaysastrology.com points out this with a friend's chart.

Interpretation of the 27° Taurus symbolic degree

"A man strives in vain to climb a pole while children laugh at his clumsiness. An exhausted woman holding a horse by the bridle walks towards them."

Soratothamax, what is the origin of this degree symbol? Most of the discussion on this forum is on the Sabian symbols. And while it is certainly ok to inquire about other symbol sets, I think the Sabians are the ones that most people know and know best.

---sdh3

[piercethevale]

I checked this site out. The Symbol finder app. they have seems to be working. I suggest you try again on learning how their app works. The best bet is to use the mindfire web site page of Dane Rudhyar's Sabian book on the Sabian Symbols.
This site you've given does appear to be the symbols as given by Marc Jones in 1953 sans his explanations and definitions.
Personally, myself, I find Dane's interpretations to be the best...Jones second...avoid all others...with the exception of Lynda Hill as some of the symbols will be confusing to those of Oriental, Aboriginal, Native American and or African origins and Lynda has made a admirable effort at refining some of the symbols to be more easily adapted to those of other than Occidental backgrounds.[as the symbols are very Occidental in orientation...symbology is always given in the cultural orientation of the sub-conscious...and Elsie Wheeler was a woman of Occidental origins.
BTW...Taurus, 28* 41' is the 29th degree of Taurus...read the sticky on the enumeration of the Degree Symbols please.

[soratothamax]

I checked this site out. The Symbol finder app. they have seems to be working. I suggest you try again on learning how their app works. The best bet is to use the mindfire web site page of Dane Rudhyar's Sabian book on the Sabian Symbols.
This site you've given does appear to be the symbols as given by Marc Jones in 1953 sans his explanations and definitions.
Personally, myself, I find Dane's interpretations to be the best...Jones second...avoid all others...with the exception of Lynda Hill as some of the symbols will be confusing to those of Oriental, Aboriginal, Native American and or African origins and Lynda has made a admirable effort at refining some of the symbols to be more easily adapted to those of other than Occidental backgrounds.[as the symbols are very Occidental in orientation...symbology is always given in the cultural orientation of the sub-conscious...and Elsie Wheeler was a woman of Occidental origins.
BTW...Taurus, 28* 41' is the 29th degree of Taurus...read the sticky on the enumeration of the Degree Symbols please.

I took your advice and wow! I also love Dane's interpretations! It's much clearer to me! Thank you for the recommendation.

The website offered the interpretation itself when I went to always astrology it read the sign as being 27* degree. I will have to read that sticky here.

[soratothamax]

Soratothamax, what is the origin of this degree symbol? Most of the discussion on this forum is on the Sabian symbols. And while it is certainly ok to inquire about other symbol sets, I think the Sabians are the ones that most people know and know best.

---sdh3

27-28
A Woman, Past Her "Change Of Life", Experiences A New Love

I'm not sure which one would best fit. The website refers to her as the 27, but some may say 28. Also, I got the above Sabian symbols from cafeastrology. But Dane's seems good, and this is the referred by Dane for the 28*

@Ben Alwaysastrology regards Taurus 27*'41 as being 27. It's one of those websites.

[piercethevale]

27-28
A Woman, Past Her "Change Of Life", Experiences A New Love

I'm not sure which one would best fit. The website refers to her as the 27, but some may say 28. Also, I got the above Sabian symbols from cafeastrology. But Dane's seems good, and this is the referred by Dane for the 28*

@Ben Alwaysastrology regards Taurus 27*'41 as being 27. It's one of those websites.
The Symbol is about the Sun and the Sun is the Ego. The 3 main components of
your being are the Asc., Your consciousness, appearance, and personality; the Moon, your emotional self; and the Sun, your ego.
My Sun is the 17th of Taurus and if you read that symbol it is about the Spiritual overcoming the Ego...my soul is being told to emerge and take control of the pilots seat...[Elton John; 'Take Me To The Pilot" {Of Your Soul}]...thus, a good indication of why I sought out yoga and Eastern knowledge at a young age and had been in that effort some 16 years before I ever learned of these Sabian Symbols myself.
So, what your symbol for your Sun...r.e. 28th Taurus ...let's look at what Rudhyar said in his book on the Sabian Symbols.

"A WOMAN, PAST HER "CHANGE OF LIFE," EXPERIENCES A NEW LOVE.

KEYNOTE: Man's capacity to rise in consciousness and feelings above biological limitations.

.... the symbolism stresses man's capacity to rise above the limitations which both biological nature and the "normal" social pattern of behavior have tried to impose on him. As in many of the preceding symbols, a "woman" is pictured, because at this early stage of the cyclic process the individual consciousness still has a receptive or "feminine" polarity — as was indicated in the very first symbol of the entire cycle (Aries 1°).

Whenever this ... is brought to a person's consciousness, the indication is that he or she should freely open his or her mind to the possibility of always new [and Rudhyar's Keyword here is a one word summation...and most poignant as each reincarnation is a chance of ...]REBEGINNINGS. Ideally, the new beginning should imply a more mature response to the new possibility of experience."

Well, as the Ego is identifying with the physical incarnation...it's quite similar in effect as to mine at the 17th of Taurus.
As the Esoteric School of Astrology and Dane Rudhyar have indicated [and I find to be true] the symbols are to be read in 'reverse order' ...that is from Virgo 30* to Libra 0!* for those brings that are on a spiritual path to evolve from the illusion of Maya and entrapment on the wheel of karma and rebirth...the 17th of Taurus is just a few steps ahead of the 28th of Taurus...so, I think you can see /understand what I'm getting at here.
You've come to a point in your series of incarnations where you need to see that there is a 'biological being' and all that it carries with it...or creates for itself from itself...and to begin to identify the soul...the real you...your eternal consciousness and being ...from what is that biological...the illusionary you.

[piercethevale]

But, I do have to ask. Pluto in the 10th degree of Cancer?...you were born in the early 1920s?

[piercethevale]

OKAY <<<< THIS IS WAY STRANGE...!?!?!?!?

This person has Pluto in Cancer @09* 41'

I just wrote in another thread about a pamphlet I got about Astrology and Edgar Cayce and how an Astrologer in 1967 by the name of Margaret H. Gammon wrote it and had privy to the birth data of the subjects that Cayce gave astrological explanations for and how I never heard of this info having been available before and the fast that the data is recorded for at least some if not all inquiers that asked for Cayce to explain something about their Astrological make-up to them.
This gives us an opportunity to produce a solar chart [as apparently none with precise time of day where given [although Cayce mentions House placement in a few of these readings...and how he came up with that?]

I figure that info must be from those 'agencies' that spoke on His behalf on matters other than physical readings. Possibly all readings that dealt with other than the physical...at first it appears as if that's what Edgar said..at other times it seems as if he was saying...[not verbatim, ptv] 'anything outside of a physical reading that pertained to a subject needing explanation', as the ARE hierarchy, itself, asked about the source ...they were being concerned as to whether they might be dealing with an entity or entities that may have been something less than completely forth right, or an agenda to, or beholden to some...?
....and the reply was stating,basically, rest any fears,...that they were only hearing the words of messengers with the most impeccable of credentials..."Messengers of the Most High".

So I was about to start a thread giving one of the Dates of birth and a chart for that day and the info ...and I was picking up right were I left off last night in my last post in my thread, 'The Birth Chart of Jesus", as it went into a persons request from Cayce that was prior to Pluto being 'discovered' in 1930 as Cayce is referring to Pluto as 'Vulcan' [as he had said the next Planet beyond Neptune which hadn't yet been discovered was the same as the mthyological 'Vulcan' [an obvious 'HINT' that it WAS ancient knowledge of these 'Trans-Saturnian Planets'...and note, Cayce sometimes referred to this Planet as 'Septimus', Pluto is the 7th planet from the Earth outward.] I figured I would start with that reading and decided it wasn't 'meaty' enough and looked to the next example given and this is what the text says on page 45:

"Venus in the sunrise chart of this entity is placed at 6* Cancer, and within the next six months, or on May 18, Venus would conjoin natal Pluto at 9* Cancer..."

[piercethevale]

I'll be following up to this last post in the thread that exists on Edgar Cayce...check it out...if you're interested..not sarotothamax's topic...but rather about what Cayce had to say about some things..ptv

[soratothamax]

But, I do have to ask. Pluto in the 10th degree of Cancer?...you were born in the early 1920s?

Not me. A friend of mine who just got into astrology. She was born in 1923.

[soratothamax]

I'll be following up to this last post in the thread that exists on Edgar Cayce...check it out...if you're interested..not sarotothamax's topic...but rather about what Cayce had to say about some things..ptv

OMG! Sounds sooo interesting! Will join you. :joyful:

[soratothamax]

The Symbol is about the Sun and the Sun is the Ego. The 3 main components of
your being are the Asc., Your consciousness, appearance, and personality; the Moon, your emotional self; and the Sun, your ego.
My Sun is the 17th of Taurus and if you read that symbol it is about the Spiritual overcoming the Ego...my soul is being told to emerge and take control of the pilots seat...[Elton John; 'Take Me To The Pilot" {Of Your Soul}]...thus, a good indication of why I sought out yoga and Eastern knowledge at a young age and had been in that effort some 16 years before I ever learned of these Sabian Symbols myself.
So, what your symbol for your Sun...r.e. 28th Taurus ...let's look at what Rudhyar said in his book on the Sabian Symbols.

"A WOMAN, PAST HER "CHANGE OF LIFE," EXPERIENCES A NEW LOVE.

KEYNOTE: Man's capacity to rise in consciousness and feelings above biological limitations.

.... the symbolism stresses man's capacity to rise above the limitations which both biological nature and the "normal" social pattern of behavior have tried to impose on him. As in many of the preceding symbols, a "woman" is pictured, because at this early stage of the cyclic process the individual consciousness still has a receptive or "feminine" polarity — as was indicated in the very first symbol of the entire cycle (Aries 1°).

Whenever this ... is brought to a person's consciousness, the indication is that he or she should freely open his or her mind to the possibility of always new [and Rudhyar's Keyword here is a one word summation...and most poignant as each reincarnation is a chance of ...]REBEGINNINGS. Ideally, the new beginning should imply a more mature response to the new possibility of experience."

Well, as the Ego is identifying with the physical incarnation...it's quite similar in effect as to mine at the 17th of Taurus.
As the Esoteric School of Astrology and Dane Rudhyar have indicated [and I find to be true] the symbols are to be read in 'reverse order' ...that is from Virgo 30* to Libra 0!* for those brings that are on a spiritual path to evolve from the illusion of Maya and entrapment on the wheel of karma and rebirth...the 17th of Taurus is just a few steps ahead of the 28th of Taurus...so, I think you can see /understand what I'm getting at here.
You've come to a point in your series of incarnations where you need to see that there is a 'biological being' and all that it carries with it...or creates for itself from itself...and to begin to identify the soul...the real you...your eternal consciousness and being ...from what is that biological...the illusionary you.

So fascinating! This isn't mine but it's a chart from my friend. She asks me to do it because she's not computer savvy. :wink: But something comes to mind here. The normal "social" patterns of behavior limiting her...she's always felt that way. She was always a bit unusual and quirky. She also is trying rise above the biological limitations of being a woman, and often felt she should've been born a boy. She feels a strong pull to the masculine side of life. And felt a little disappointed in her sun sign (which happened to be feminine) and she felt it imposed limitations on her as well! She feels a stronger pull to Gemini (Mars and Mercury) and Aries (her Venus sign)