Observations, hypotheses, and corrections

[NorthNodePisces]

Let's try to uncover some general astrological truths. If you notice that an observation or hypothesis in here doesn't (quite) match your experience, please add to the thread by disproving or adjusting it. Feel free to add your own observations and hypothesis. If you encounter a situation that changes your own observation/hypothesis, please do update us.

My observations:

People who have Venus and Mars in a positive/conjunct but separating aspect will have non-lasting relationships.

Those who have Venus and Mars in a positive/conjunct and applying aspect have a lasting relationship. Possible but unobserved exceptions might be Mars and/or Venus in Gemini.

Sun and Moon

Moon and Mars

Sun and Venus

Venus and Saturn

Seems like oppositions have an effect for lasting relationships, not just harmonious/conjunct.

My hypothesis:

Those who have Venus and Mars in a positive aspect/conjunct and mutually applying will have 1 long-lasting relationship, or will never move on from their 1st relationship if the couple somehow gets separated. Example: Venus in 2º Capricorn Conjunct Mars Rx in 3º Capricorn.

Those who have negative and applying aspects will never overcome it without help(like magick). Example: Venus in 1º Taurus Squaring Saturn in 3º Aquarius.

Those who have negative but separating aspects have the potential to overcome it, but might still feel a lingering pain. Example: Venus in 3º Taurus Squaring Saturn in 1º Aquarius.

Those were all observations and hypotheses for natal charts.

[Fragoso]

People who have Venus and Mars in a positive/conjunct but separating aspect have many but short-lasting relationships.


Hello, NothNodePisces.
Here: Venus in 23º of scorpio trine Mars in 16º of Cancer. So it's a positive aspect but separing.
I have to agree with that observation, cause I had some short relationships, but there were very intense. (venus scorpio conjuncting pluto)


Those who have Venus and Mars in a positive/conjunct and applying aspect have very few(like 1 or 2) but long-lasting relationships. Possible but unobserved exceptions might be Mars and/or Venus in Gemini.


Here, I have to disagree with somethings. Long-Lasting relationships sounds more like venus-saturn, saturn in 7th, venus in 7th, strong venus in my opinion. But there is other things, according to what i have seen, all venus-mars are passionate people. Once a relationship ends they will not end up crying for it for the rest of their lives. Who have a venus-mars contact in the chart will for sure be a romantic by nature... So long relationships doesn't seem their strong point :tongue: (unless for sure other things in the chart point to that).

You wrote this:


Those who have negative and applying aspects will never overcome it without help(like magick).
Those who have negative but separating aspects have the potential to overcome it, but might still feel a lingering pain.

Here: venus in 23º of scorpio opposing moon in 17º of taurus. It's a separing aspect again. All of my breaks were paintfull (becuase of the intense feelings I have) but they were completely forgotten.

Just put myself in first place

Fragoso

[NorthNodePisces]

You wrote this:



Here: venus in 23º of scorpio opposing moon in 17º of taurus. It's a separing aspect again. All of my breaks were paintfull (becuase of the intense feelings I have) but they were completely forgotten.

Just put myself in first place

Fragoso

Hello,

Your venus opposite moon would be an applying aspect instead separating, since the Moon travels faster than Venus. Relationships could have been forgotten due to your Venus and Mars separating. Applying opposition between Moon and Venus could possibly mean something else, like the relationship with the mother instead of other relationships.

Also in my opinion, long-lasting relationships don't necessarily confine themselves to venus-saturn aspects, etc. but can also include harmonious applying aspects between sun and moon, mars and venus, etc. in the natal chart.

Thanks for the post.

[Fragoso]

Hello,

Your venus opposite moon would be an applying aspect instead separating, since the Moon travels faster than Venus. Relationships could have been forgotten due to your Venus and Mars separating. Applying opposition between Moon and Venus could possibly mean something else, like the relationship with the mother instead of other relationships.

Also in my opinion, long-lasting relationships don't necessarily confine themselves to venus-saturn aspects, etc. but can also include harmonious applying aspects between sun and moon, mars and venus, etc. in the natal chart.

Thanks for the post.

LOOOL
I am still asking myself how do i make this same mistake? Guiltyyyyyyyy

[Fragoso]

Hello,
Also in my opinion, long-lasting relationships don't necessarily confine themselves to venus-saturn aspects, etc. but can also include harmonious applying aspects between sun and moon, mars and venus, etc. in the natal chart.

Thanks for the post.

True, :wink: that was only one example that came to my head

Fragoso

[sequestra]

Hmm... I don't think this applies to me. Interesting ideas though.

[NorthNodePisces]

Could you provide some experiences and what is shown in your natal chart?

Thanks.

[sequestra]

I guess it depends on your definition of "short lived relationships". I have had three significant relationships that have lasted over a year (two lasting over two years), and I would consider these to be fairly lengthy granted my age. I suppose only time will tell whether or not this is the case.

Venus and mars are separating - venus 28 pisces, mars 27.

[NorthNodePisces]

Ah. What I mean is, they'll have non-lasting relationships, and counting. I'm not trying to give a specific amount of time or relationships for this in particular, but the idea of it is what matters most. So I suppose, the best way I could describe it is that the interest doesn't stay(as opposed to applying or mutually applying, where it does stay) in the relationship from one or both of them. So in that way is what I meant by short-lived.

Perhaps the fact that your separating aspect's orb is small, might be increasing the endurance of the relationship. The wider the orb for separating, the less enduring it is.

If we could live forever, I would definitely say that you'd have many short-lived relationships, without a doubt. And the ones who have it applying/mutually applying would be together forever with their love. But since we're confined to death, the idea is what applies the most to you.

If it never materializes, imo, the potential to do so would still be felt in them, but never actualized due to choice or circumstances.