Mystery Chart aspects for career

[Claire19]

Here is a mystery chart for us to work out what career would suit this person and what aspects point to a particular calling.

A prize for whoever guesses who this person is. :) Free basic astrology lessons.

The whole point is not to have the date, time and place but I will say it is female.

[mathur_dinesh]

Please give date, place and time of birth.

[Belgianmoonguy]

Here is a mystery chart for us to work out what career would suit this person and what aspects point to a particular calling.

A prize for whoever guesses who this person is. :) Free basic astrology lessons.

She's 31, soon to 32 yrs old
They're a famous couple, she's the female part
She 'stole' him from another female superstar...
It's a give away this chart...
But to not spoil the fun, i'll be silent...
Although i know the answer...

[Frisiangal]

It's a give away this chart...
But to not spoil the fun, i'll be silent...
Although i know the answer...

I disagree.
The chart is only a give away BECAUSE you (and Claire) know beforehand who it is. It's then possible to fit the chart to what you already know about the person. Good for lessons but it doesn't mean that this chart shows no other options but only how the energies expressed themselves in a particular way for this person, whose choice and life style you are already aware of. So, you're already *programmed* to think in a particular way regarding what the chart implies.
I did a similar exercise in group lessons WITHOUT the people knowing who the famous subject was. Getting the answer was not at all easy. A whole range of possibilities were provided, using the 6th and 10th houses signs for 'work', 5th house for 'creative expression', their rulers placements, planets in the houses, the Sun's position for motivation, etc.etc.
If you already know that a chart refers to a spiritual leader, brain surgeon, rock band artist or criminal lawyer, you're going to look at specific placings to confirm that choice. If you do not know who the chart refers to, chances are you can only make an intelligent guess at what the chice of career could be.
IMHO.

F.

[Wave]

Hi,

I do not want to spoil you all the fun with guessing who it might be but I can bet it is Angelina Jolie.

Wave.

[Amit89]

Neptune is in he 5th house, maybe a actress?.

[Belgianmoonguy]

I disagree.
The chart is only a give away BECAUSE you (and Claire) know beforehand who it is. It's then possible to fit the chart to what you already know about the person. Good for lessons but it doesn't mean that this chart shows no other options but only how the energies expressed themselves in a particular way for this person, whose choice and life style you are already aware of. So, you're already *programmed* to think in a particular way regarding what the chart implies.
I did a similar exercise in group lessons WITHOUT the people knowing who the famous subject was. Getting the answer was not at all easy. A whole range of possibilities were provided, using the 6th and 10th houses signs for 'work', 5th house for 'creative expression', their rulers placements, planets in the houses, the Sun's position for motivation, etc.etc.
If you already know that a chart refers to a spiritual leader, brain surgeon, rock band artist or criminal lawyer, you're going to look at specific placings to confirm that choice. If you do not know who the chart refers to, chances are you can only make an intelligent guess at what the chice of career could be.
IMHO.
F.

It's not because i think i know who it is, that i exclude the possibility she could have chosen another career path...

I give this a shot...
Motivation (as F. uses that for her Sun) is set towards communication (Gemini Sun) about ideals, friendships, wishes, hopes (in house 11)
This sun sextiles her Jupiter/ Mars/ Moon stellium in Aries in 9 (all conjunct Mc) and trines her Pluto in 3 in Libra, opposes her Neptune in 5 in Sag, makes a 135° to Uranus in 4 and a semisquare to Venus on the Rise...
A very active Sun in case of aspects so far...
So this motivation is stimulated by her generosity and spirituality (Jupiter), by her enthousiasm and energy (Mars) and her emotions & needs (Moon). This motivation also can be transformed (Pluto) through her life, but this motivation could also have a unpredictable aspect (135° to Uranus), could be countered by illusion, fantasy or addictions (Neptune) or could be countered by her social image or love life (semisquare to Venus)...

5th house... Creative expression
We see the new ruler of the 5th house in Pluto in Libra in 3... Creative expression is intense and could be easily transformed through her life. It could also be directed towards e.g. martial arts, sexual activity, but is modified by Libra, so she can do this with the help of someone, may be her partner or a dear colleague with whom she will work together in an intense way...
The ruler of the 5th placed in the 3rd house could make that creative expression is for the biggest part expressed through 3rd house themes, as communication, writing... She could be a writer e.g. or a pr person, spokes person for a big company...
Look that her Gem Sun comes back by the ruler of the 5th in the 3rd house (3rd house, association with Gemini)
Pluto sextiles Neptune in the 5th house, and opposes to Mars Moon conjunction in Aries in 9, near the Mc
Mind, Mars is the old ruler of the 5th house...
So this creative expression could be helped by fantasy or illusion (Neptune).
So as far as the 5th house goes, i'd say she could go into some communicative profession, or some writing (Pluto as ruler of house 5 in 3), where she could use help from her fantasy (Pluto sextile Neptune in 5)
Also this Neptune in 5 could direct her into expression her creativity through the arts, painting, writing, dancing, e.g.

6th house... Sag on it. Jupiter conjunct Mc (conjunct Mars & Moon in 9)
She has to travel in her daily life, for her daily job... This ruler of the 6th on the 10th puts her daily life in the spotlight, as well as her daily accomplishments. But there could be restrictions in her daily life (Jupiter square Saturn). But she puts a lot of her energy (Jupiter conjunct Mars) and emotions, feelings (Jupiter conjunct Moon) into her daily life profession.
When i saw that she had Neptune and the NN in Sag in 5, i saw of her as a missionary person, a person with a mission in this world.

10th house... Aries on it... Mars in 9, but not far from the Mc, conjunct Moon & Jupiter...
She could be a pioneer or an initiator in her career... Someone who lights the pad for others... Someone who puts lots of energy, enthousiasm and vigor in her career... Its' ruler, located in the 9th, could tell us her career could again have some travel element into it... A job where she has to travel for, or may be looking for a job in the travel industry... She has ambitions, larger then life (Mars conjunct Jupiter) and she puts her feelings and emotions into accomplishing these ambitions, no matter which profession.

I could be so wrong with what i said here
But one can try

BMG

[Claire19]

Okay now that someone has spoilt it for others with naming her, can we look at the aspects which point to her acting career, her adopting children and the circumstances.

Claire

[Frisiangal]

[quote=Claire19] can we look at the aspects which point to her acting career,

Well; Amit89 already mentioned Neptune in the 5th house; the ability to create an illusion....believeable or not..., whilst Neptune is also associated with the big screen rather than theatre, as well as idol and icon worship given or received. It's the planet of make-believe. She doesn't portray herself on the screen; she plays roles of non-existent persons or creeps into the skin of existing ones. Therefore, I think it absolutely fascinating that the Sun-Neptune opposition make a perfect T-square with the 8th house Black Moon Lilith in Pisces, the unreal/irreality.
BelgianMoonguy mentioned the idea that she *stole* her partner from someone else. I think that is also a very good portrayal of the 8th house sexy and siren-like(Pisces) Neptune-Lilith figure she is now regarded as and must learn to live with, whereas the truth is that you can never take anyone or anything from anyone else if they aren't willing and/or don't want it! Only Jolie and Pitt know the truth of their relationship.


her adopting children and the circumstances.


I think it was ShiningRay who did a lot of work in bringing 'adoptive children' under the 11th house. Jolie has an 11th house Sun in Gemini, which would be suggestive of her humanitarian and community-minded side that opposes Neptune in Leo, the sign and house of one's creative process/children. Her children were adopted when she had none of her own.

Ruler of the 11th house is Taurus, with ruling planet Venus conjunct Cancer Asc., the sign associated with nurturing/motherhood. Once again, I find it fascinating that not only Venus makes an exact degree 135* aspect with 8th house Black Moon Lilith; indicative of love of/for something that does not *physically* belong to her except through the feeling nature, but also Venus's second sign is Libra on the 4th house cusp with Uranus also 135* degree aspect to BML. What is so lovingly done and expressed in a humanitarian way may undergo harsh consequences later in life when the adopted children are older and the blood tie weakens.

Just my 2 cents.:)

F.

[Shining Ray]

Leo on cusp of 2nd - earns money through creative, or entertaining work. The Sun in Gemini/11th Focused on communication + group efforts/team work.

Sagittarius on 6th house cusp - Ruler Jupiter in 9th emphasises the travel aspect strongly linked in with her work. Jupiter Conjunct Moon trine Neptune in 5th massive creativity, Neptune involves images portrayed on film. Fantasy/make beliveive/ acting.

Aries on cusp of 10th - independent work, Mars in 9th TRAVEL AGAIN. Conjunct Moon trine Neptune. Creativity/and images involved in her work.

[Claire19]

Just looking at Angelina's aspects for a career in film as an actress. We see Jupiter conjunct MC, Jupiter often indicated acting, especially with roles that are larger than life, exaggerated images and tall tales. Sagittarius on the 6th cusp of work gives back up. Leo on the 2nd cusp of personal income can also indicate earning money through the performing arts. Her public image also is strongly that of a mother Moon of an adopted foreign son, Mars also in the 9th conjunct. Her Jupiter there means travel to foreign climes and she is also seen as a generous and nurturing person backed up by her Cancer ascendant.

Brad Pitt as a Sagittarian is represented in her 5th house of lovers as is Neptune indicating adopting foreign child and also having children out of wedlock. I dont see him as being her long term marriage partner but would have to look at his chart as well.

It could be that Brad Pitt said to have wanted children badly, wanted a beautiful mother to ensure attractive children and Angelina was chosen in large part because of this. Jennifer Anniston is no way a beauty and said to have put childrearing on hold for her career. Having said that, I feel that they are soulmates and I would not be surprised if they eventually get back together. I just dont get a feeling of permanency with Brad and Angelina and they dont somehow look right together. This is my opinion only.

Claire

[Frisiangal]

Brad Pitt as a Sagittarian is represented in her 5th house of lovers as is Neptune indicating adopting foreign child and also having children out of wedlock.

Does that mean that I can expect my son-in-law who shares the same aspect as Jolie, has 2 female children by my Taurus Sun daughter and underwent a vasectomy several years ago, has a child somewhere that we don't know about and/or will adopt someone else's before his life is through ?

He did have a short sexual 'fling' with a Piscean Sun before his children were born. There were no issue from that relationship.

F.

[Shining Ray]

My partner has Neptune in the 5th house and he is separated from his daughter he doesn't live with her and only gets see her once a week for four hours. Do think Neptune in the 5th can mean a separation from a child/children he also has his Sun squaring Neptune.

[Claire19]

If we are referring to Neptune in the 5th we must remember that we have take the whole chart into consideration. It can mean photography as a hobby or a lover who is a sailor. A child who is handicapped in some way, a deception with our speculations, so many scenarios.... I could go on and on.


Claire

[Frisiangal]

If we are referring to Neptune in the 5th we must remember that we have take the whole chart into consideration. It can mean photography as a hobby or a lover who is a sailor. A child who is handicapped in some way, a deception with our speculations, so many scenarios.... I could go on and on.


Claire

EXACTLY! I'm glad you added this, which is so important to remember when working with astrology, which is based on a symbolism that does not refer to verified fact of acting in the same way in every chart;....the very reason that astrology is so hard to prove for the skeptic and scientifically-minded and why the 'psychological element' cannot be disregarded in interpretation. Yet your comment as quoted appears to make a definite statement, i.e. that Neptune in the 5th house implies children out of wedlock, and in Sagittarius a foreign child, when such is not true. This can give rise to all newcomers who read you and to whom you teach astrology believing and accepting such a statement, with all the eventual problems of a malpractise suit as a result:D.

I agree with you that Neptune in the 5th can refer to something about one's (projected attitude towards) lover and children, even the father figure and parental influence yet, imho, the 5th house theme is indicative of the personal outer ( following 4th of inner processes) creative process, by what it is influenced and, in Jolie's case, how Neptune accentuates it.

F.

[Shining Ray]

Hi Claire,

I completely understand about taking the whole chart into consideration. In my case, I wouldn't consider me saying my partner's Neptune in the 5th (children) squaring the (Sun) children to possibly represent the separation from his daughter, as a one off statement. As I know this is the situation.

With Angelinas chart along with Neptune in the 5th, she has Sun in the 11th opposing Neptune. Which does represent children outside of yourself derived as the opposite of your natural born children on the 5th house. Also this house can represent children in your life as step children from your partner. Because you count 5 houses from the 7th house for your partners children, which is the 11th house. I have a step child from my partner, I have my Jupiter in Leo 11th opposed my Venus in 5th Capricorn. This child is my Son's half sister and a Leo child (represented by (Jupiter/Leo) as well.

[Belgianmoonguy]

Just looking at Angelina's aspects for a career in film as an actress. We see Jupiter conjunct MC, Jupiter often indicated acting, especially with roles that are larger than life, exaggerated images and tall tales. Sagittarius on the 6th cusp of work gives back up. Leo on the 2nd cusp of personal income can also indicate earning money through the performing arts. Her public image also is strongly that of a mother Moon of an adopted foreign son, Mars also in the 9th conjunct. Her Jupiter there means travel to foreign climes and she is also seen as a generous and nurturing person backed up by her Cancer ascendant.

Brad Pitt as a Sagittarian is represented in her 5th house of lovers as is Neptune indicating adopting foreign child and also having children out of wedlock. I dont see him as being her long term marriage partner but would have to look at his chart as well.

It could be that Brad Pitt said to have wanted children badly, wanted a beautiful mother to ensure attractive children and Angelina was chosen in large part because of this. Jennifer Anniston is no way a beauty and said to have put childrearing on hold for her career. Having said that, I feel that they are soulmates and I would not be surprised if they eventually get back together. I just dont get a feeling of permanency with Brad and Angelina and they dont somehow look right together. This is my opinion only.

Claire

Hmm
BP is indeed A Sag Sun with Sag Rising but all of his other personal planets (Moon, Mercury, Venus & Mars) are in Cap... The DC sign of AJ is Cap... His personal planets in Cap will fall i guess in her 6th house, but may be some are near the DC of AJ
This said... Who knows if they'll stay together...
I just hope the children will have a stable environment and nurturing parents, if they're apart or not. That's the most important...

And beauty is different
Personally i think JA was/ is more beautiful then AJ
Cause i tend to like blondes/ brunettes more then dark haired types
And the lips of AJ seem to full to me, like they're fake...

Bujt off course, everyone had another definition of Beauty...

[Shining Ray]

Also Angelina had an older partner as well represented by the Capricorn Descendent. I agree with BelgianMoonGuy, beauty comes in many different forms so some people will cosider Jen more attractive than Angelina and others may find Angelina more beatiful. I personally think both are attractive in their own way.

[Claire19]

Of course attractiveness is subjective but genetically speaking and talking of physical perfection of feature etc, Angelina is beautiful even if not to everyone's taste and is generall recognised as such. Jennifer Anniston is not. However be that as it may.

Claire

[Claire19]

I was just remembering the media controversy (11th house ) with her Sun in Gemini and Mercury there denoting siblings, about her brother and the relationship between them. She takes him just about everywhere apparently and some feel the connection is rather unnatural. The Mercury is in good aspect to the Uranus in the 4th. So an unusual unconventional family relationship which she and her brother both present to the media as positive and supportive.

Just another angle.

Claire

[Claire19]

I have found that in my experience Neptune in the 5th can indeed imply out of wedlock children especially if one parent is absent or not actually recognised or known. I do not use the word "illegitimate". Of course this is not true for everyone with that placement and wouldnt Astrology be boring if things were so cut and dried!!!!!. Sagittarius there does in my opinion denote a foreign child in Angelina's case and she has travelled overseas to adopt that child as well not just gone to an agency in America for instance. It may be possible that the biological father or even mother is not known........I dont know..

Claire

[Shining Ray]

Oh yes I remember watching Angelina and her brother at one of her film premiers were they kissed right on the mouth, it was uncomfortable to watch, I am not saying anything is going on between them. But Angelina has Pluto in the 3rd opposed Moon/Mars maybe this represents the intense relationship between them with possibly some sexual tones to how they relate.

[Claire19]

Yes, Angelina has said she is very sexual and has had affairs with both sexes. I dont know if it would extend to her brother, she wouldnt be the first I guess nor the last. Actually my impression was that he is gay but that could be because of his beauty of face so like hers. Being a Gemini she could rationalise and intellectualise anything she does. Is it me, or does she have very strange eyes??? Her father has intimated that she is mentally unbalanced. Where in her chart might we see that if at all???

claire

[Shining Ray]

Angelina's chart has a very high fire/air chart she has 4 planets in fire signs and in fire houses. She has 3 planets in air signs/air houses. The two planets she has in water are Venus and Saturn in Cancer locked away in the 12th house. I have read on the net about the fire/air dominance in the chart and here is the general meaning of having such a strong emphasis on the fire/air signs/houses.

A strong dominance of fire seeks adrenaline rushes through coffee, alcohol, thrills, driving fast and dangerously, sex, drugs, violence and gambling. The more fire the more adrenaline is needed. Lots of air in the chart and this can create worriers who can't stop the head form spinning and chatting all night, many people with mental illness fit this group they need drugs and alcohol to numb their minds. When we add the water we add the emotional pain and what these people seek to escape from.

There is probably a lot we don't know about Angelina, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of their being mental illness, on top of such a heavy air/fire chart just look at her Moon/Mars/Pluto aspects very impulsive easily aroused emotions. Family life could have well been very intense, with anger, possibly abuse or a very domineering household. I don't know we can only really speculate. It would probably take a few hours to really analyse her chart find more pointers indicating a mental imbalance.

[Shining Ray]

I had a look on the web quickly to see if there is any more background information on Angelina's childhood. Here is the information I found on her early life growing up with her family.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8991/missajqm0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Early life and family

Born Angelina Jolie Voight in Los Angeles, California, she is the daughter of actors Jon Voight and Marcheline Bertrand. Jolie is the niece of Chip Taylor, sister of James Haven and the god-daughter of Jacqueline Bisset and Maximilian Schell. People often assume that Jolie's mother is French, because of her name, but Jolie's grandparents were French-Canadian. She is of Czech descent on her father's side, and French-Canadian and Iroquois on her mother's side.

After her parents' divorce in 1976, Jolie and her brother were raised by their mother, who abandoned her acting ambitions and moved with them to Palisades, New York. As a child Jolie collected snakes and lizards and had a crush on Mr. Spock. She regularly saw movies with her mother and later explained that this had inspired her interest in acting; she had not been influenced by her father. When she was 11, the family moved back to Los Angeles and Jolie decided she wanted to act and enrolled at the Lee Strasberg Theatre Institute, where she trained for two years and appeared in several stage productions. She later recalled her time as a student at Beverly Hills High School (later Moreno High School), and her feeling of isolation among the children of some of the area's more affluent families. Jolie's mother survived on a more modest income, and Jolie often wore second-hand clothes. She was teased by other students who also targeted her for her distinctive features, for being extremely thin, and for wearing glasses and braces.Her self esteem was further diminished when her initial attempts at modeling proved unsuccessful.

As her despondency grew, she started to cut herself; later commenting during an appearance on CNN, "I collected knives and always had certain things around. For some reason, the ritual of having cut myself and feeling the pain, maybe feeling alive, feeling some kind of release, it was somehow therapeutic to me." At 14, she dropped out of her acting classes and dreamed of becoming a funeral director. Her self-loathing led her to embark on a rebellious period in her life; she wore black, dyed her hair purple and went out moshing with her live-in boyfriend. Two years later, after the relationship had ended, she rented an apartment above a garage a few blocks from her mother's home. She returned to theatre studies and graduated from high school, though in recent time she has referred to this period with the observation, "I am still at heart just a punk kid with tattoos".

Jolie has been long estranged from her father, blaming his infidelity for the break-up of the family, though a reconciliation was attempted, and he appeared with her in Lara Croft: Tomb Raider. In July 2002, Jolie filed a request to legally change her name to "Angelina Jolie", dropping Voight as her surname; the name change was made official on September 12, 2002. In August of the same year, Voight claimed that his daughter had "serious emotional problems" on Access Hollywood. In the October 2004 issue of Premiere Magazine, Jolie indicated that she no longer wished to pursue a relationship with her father, and said, "My father and I don’t speak. I don’t hold any anger toward him. I don’t believe that somebody’s family becomes their blood. Because my son’s adopted, and families are earned." She stated that she did not want to publicize her reasons for her estrangement from her father, but because she had adopted her son, she did not think it was healthy for her to associate with Voight. Voight has not met his grandchildren.

I had a quick browse on the net and found this link for anyone interested in reading up on self cutting. Interestingly one of the books recommended on this link was girl interrupted which Angelina played a role in the film version. Just an interesting fact.

http://www.coolnurse.com/self-injury.htm

[Claire19]

It is very difficult to guess by looking at a chart who they may be I agree as we dont know the background, the soul level etc. We cannot tell the gender even. It is only the blueprint with many potentials. Of course it is easier to fit the aspects once we know something of a persons life and there are many scenarios possible. It is fun to see what urges and motivations are in play for a person. Astrology is always easier in hindsight.

Claire

[wilsontc]

Claire,

I have recently become fascinated with Noel Tyl's "Midheaven extension" to use the dispositor method of getting information on career. Using this method with Angelina:

- Midheaven is in Aries, ruled by Mars(being, also action); Mars is in Aries, ruled by Mars: Mars disposits itself

- Mars is focused in the 9th house (ruled by Jupiter)

- Jupiter (expansion, also travel) conjuncts (energy is combined with) the Midheaven

- Mars conjuncts Jupiter

- More planets are in the 9th house than anywhere else in the chart

STOP

Career of an adventurer-traveler (using the Tyl method).

Note that Neptune (spirituality, also fantasy) trines (energy goes easily with) Mars conjunct Jupiter...so these could be fantasy travels. And, since Sagittarius (expansion, also travel) modifies North node (future goals) is focused in the 5th house (self-expression, also performing arts), this travel could involve the performing arts in some way.

Also, note that Angelina Jolie has some serious personal issues (as has been mentioned) and DOESN'T like her actor-father. Could it be that her movie star life (daughter of actor John Voight and mother actress) forced her into a career she would not have picked if it hadn't have been so easy (or been forced) on her?

Looking at other careers,

Tim