Mars, the Bringer of War: What It Means In Your Chart

[RaptInReverie]

Mars, the Bringer of War: What It Means In Your Chart
By: RaptInReverie

This is a spin-off from a conversation between me and astrologer50 in another thread. Basically we had a small disagreement about the function of Mars in a natal chart. In this thread I will further expound upon my personal ideas of what Mars represents.

For starters, my background in occult studies encompasses planetary magick, and my views of the planets are heavily influenced by the ancient archetypes of the seven classical “planets“: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn (Of course the Sun and the Moon are not technically planets).

I view these seven energies as not only mythological characters, but facets of the human psyche. When we examine mythology, we are also examining psychology and astrology. Furthermore, by meditating on the literature, art, and music inspired by these archetypes, we can develop a better understanding of their natures and their roles in our natal chart. For example, I listen to Holst’s The Planets Suite while visualizing these archetypes.

In regards to the planet Mars, I have come to the conclusion that its true attributes are wrongfully considered by many to be “negative”, so astrologers water them down to make them more palatable for their querents. But this misunderstanding arises only when one fails to realize the bigger picture. No planets are ‘good” or “bad”. They all balance each other out, creating an equilibrium in the personality.

Mars represents drive, action, energy, passion, courage, force, aggression, survival, desire, competition, pursuit, ambition, strength, courage, anger, domination, ruthlessness, combativeness, physicality, and human nature (as in fight or flight). I firmly hold to these archetypes because they were gathered from my own meditation on the Martian energy and not from a book by another astrologer.

Astrologer50 disagreed with a lot of my ideas of what Mars represents. She stated that aggression and the other seemingly “negative” attributes were only products of squares and other hard aspects to Mars. She believes that under the influence of soft aspects, Mars emits energy in a more harmonious fashion.

This is where I disagree with her; there is nothing “harmonious” about Mars! Mars’ role is to provoke us to action, to protect us, and to keep us alive. Its job is not to be nice, polite, fluffy, and peaceful--we have Venus for that. Mars is about getting to the goal and bulldozing ANY obstacles in our path. Mars is where we release our frustrations. Mars is our military force!

To put this into better perspective, I will use myself as an example: My Moon is in Pisces--a rather sensitive and delicate placement. Without my Mars in Gemini, I would be a lamb headed for slaughter everyday when I left the house. I NEED that warlike aggression to protect my delicate Piscean Moon, otherwise I’d be victimized my whole life. When we sugarcoat and suppress our Martian tendencies, we become unbalanced. Even in “harmonious” aspects our Mars must serve to preserve our beauty and delicacy. Roses have thorns; Natal charts have Mars’.

http://www.miguelcoimbra.com/images/galerie/books/2romans/Mars.jpg
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[Caro]

Interesting post.

yes I agree that sometimes the nice trines can actually cause issues to with mars in the mix. Some of the charts I have been looking at recently nice kite formation trine in air and mars is in there in air sign and topped by a planet in fire. yet this person(s) has an explosive unpredicatable temper. that is quite hidden perhaps triggered by a transit. (it has surprised me!!) I previously saw this a benefic combination but not anymore.

so would agree you have to look at more than hard aspects.(squares and oppositions)

some of the traditional astrology in this area is very interesting. (however I do believe that the outers have some impact on the chart too!:smile: so not sold on traditionalist view point)

Im still learning.

but sure mars is about agression and anger and we all have that its a common human emotion. some admit to it some dont(possible conditioning/upbringing) the chart can show if this is hidden/or difficult to access.

where someone is in denial about this is a little concerning. even on this site you can see how people post - their mars comes across!

Im a moon in pisces too. mars in libra though! but I do get mad!! haha it trines my sun!

[astrologer50]

Astrologer50 disagreed with a lot of my ideas of what Mars represents. She stated that aggression and the other seemingly “negative” attributes were only products of squares and other hard aspects to Mars. She believes that under the influence of soft aspects, Mars emits energy in a more harmonious fashion

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330311&postcount=26 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330311&postcount=26)
in this thread we were specifically discussing mercury sextile mars

and furthermore, we were *specifically* discussing mars in gemini only (which I have) and the general traits I listed here..
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330429&postcount=28 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=330429&postcount=28)

obvioulsy house placement can say a lot as yours is in 9th and mine is 5th, well aspected.

Plus we need to take into account whether mars or mercury have hard aspects to planets that would add to argumentativeness, in particular mercury hard aspect uranus, pluto or mercury in libra can be arguementative, as well as planets in 7th house (natural home of libra)

I notice this thread was *widened* to discuss mars principles in general, not just the ones we were discussing....


Just laying the groundwork for discussions.....

[astrologer50]

Interesting post.
Im a moon in pisces too. mars in libra though! but I do get mad!! haha it trines my sun!

these two are quincunx signs, do they make an aspect? at some level we all get mad on occasions, it's inevitable. If you wave a red rag at abull long enough, it will charge (spoken like a true taurean ):whistling:

whole chart synthesis is important and to look what other aspects mercury and mars receives...

I have found any personal planet in libra tends to have an arguementative slant to them, espec if bored or not engaged enough. diplomat yes, but on the negative side,def touch argumentative...

[Caro]

Moon and mars - would have to check but i dont think so. I do have other quincunx aspects but not these. oh yeah I think saturn and mars are quincunx.

But yes I confess I am more than a little argumentative at times. like to know my facts and quick to pick up on inconsistancies in arguments which I happily point out. someone wrote on here about the tactical nature of a libra and I would agree with that.

also like to argue black is white sometimes which is hugely annoying to others.(shameful I know)

[astrologer50]

well thanks for confirming my theories about librans (and personal planets in libra) being argumentative... hat off for being honest...

[RaptInReverie]

and furthermore, we were *specifically* discussing mars in gemini only (which I have) and the general traits I listed here..

This post is open to any and everything, astro50.

[astrologer50]

This post is open to any and everything, astro50.

of course my friend I was just making distinctions about our previous discussions and what you have opened this thread upto.... no problem. Of course anyone can share this discussion, that's the astrological point here....and I hope they do...

[RaptInReverie]

of course my friend I was just making distinctions about our previous discussions and what you have opened this thread upto.... no problem. Of course anyone can share this discussion, that's the astrological point here....and I hope they do...

Ok, I would like to know how you feel Mars impacts your chart. Caro as well, if she sees this.

[Choe]

I have found any personal planet in libra tends to have an arguementative slant to them, espec if bored or not engaged enough. diplomat yes, but on the negative side,def touch argumentative...
I agree with your post,but I also think it could be because of progressions in Scorpio,or if the ruler Venus,is in Scorpio.

Am I right? As Scorpio tends to hate when bored lol.

[Love2Know]

"No planets are ‘good” or “bad”. They all balance each other out, creating an equilibrium in the personality. " Also, I love my sun opposition mars, cuz they make me smart and grow. My sun opposition mars has saved me in many situations and allows me to actually be the most emotionally peaceful and focused in intense situations. Yet, I can be kinda opposite over very mundane things, especially the worst if I am bored or inactive (not healthy).

[astrologer50]

I agree with your post,but I also think it could be because of progressions in Scorpio,or if the ruler Venus,is in Scorpio.

Am I right? As Scorpio tends to hate when bored lol.

I really don't like talking generalities or cookbooks, even though I do sometimes, like mentioned libra being arguementative. Perhaps you would post your chart with prog?

Where is your mars and how is it aspected?

[Love2Know]

Can I just say this my dad is a libra with a lot of libra and virgo, and his super power is reasoning, talking and arguing someone to death. I literally have to start clapping my hands or making animal noises for him to listen I am not even trying to be funny its out of like desperation lol. Also my brother has so many squares and is one of the most chilled out people I have ever met.

[Choe]

I really don't like talking generalities or cookbooks, even though I do sometimes, like mentioned libra being arguementative. Perhaps you would post your chart with prog?

Where is your mars and how is it aspected?

I don't like generalising either, but I'm talking about the archetype,not every person that has Sun or something in Scorpio. :)

[astrologer50]

If anyone doubts what I'm saying, try a little planetary magick. Invoke the energies of Mars and see if you'll encounter anything "harmonious", haha. :cool:
As mentioned previous to you, I would like to see if you want of course your planets in declination?

So if anyone is interested and wants to add another dimension or layer to their charts try here...

parallel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect#Declinations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect#Declinations)
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/parallels.htm (http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/parallels.htm)
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/contraparallel.html (http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/contraparallel.html)
http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary3.html (http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary3.html)
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html (http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=40285 (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40285)
http://www.librarising.com/astrology...clination.html (http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/declination.html)
http://www.myastrologybook.com/aspects-and-orbs.htm (http://www.myastrologybook.com/aspects-and-orbs.htm)
http://www.solsticepoint.com/1declination.htm (http://www.solsticepoint.com/1declination.htm)
“PARALLEL: Two or more planets that are equal distant from the celestial equator, with each stellar body being either north OR south in declination. The influence is much like a conjunction”
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/ (http://astrology.findyourfate.com/)

Contraparallel :
An aspect formed when two planets are in opposite declination (http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary.html#Decl#Decl), that is, when they are the same distance from the celestial equator, one north of it and one south. Generally considered to operate like an opposition (http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Aspect.html#A180).
http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary.html#C (http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary.html#C)
“CONTRA-PARALLEL: Two or more planets that are equal distant from the celestial equator, with one stellar body being north in declination and the other body being south. The influence is considered to be much like a opposition, although some consider similar to the conjunction.”
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/ (http://astrology.findyourfate.com/)

You can get these free from astro.com when you get your chart go to top left just above chart, see option. What to look for are when there is no aspect natally but a parallel in declination
View the additional tables (PDF) (http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?pdf=d&cid=h43fileTfBF1K-u1218717385&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=861020&nho2=1296455&btyp=245&mth=gw&sday=10&smon=11&syr=2011&hsy=2&zod=&orbp=85&rs=0&add=18&add=19&add=14&ast=)

[Love2Know]

lol I find Scorpio placements are like really sensitive and think too much about it. I can be like this put in the end I either do something about it or get over it. I can't maintain anger or hate. Emotions are more like actions for me. I want to take an astrology course with a astronomy course and ancient history courses with a specialty in predictions my opinion is so ignorant at this stage it's upsetting. I do like the innovative nature in Rapt.. also the new age school is suspiciously looked at. Better to do something you like which is deemed credible in society. Though, as a social deviant you have a social loop hole where you can get away with what you want cuz either way your a social ***** up lol - Foucault the awesome Scorpio

[byjove]

Hi Rapt,

I was attracted to how you posed that title and I'm intrigued by how you put your case forward.

I see you've Mars in Gemini (snap!) too, can you tell us about how you see it in your life? How has it come to express for you over the years? :devil:

p.s. I've read more and more astrologers (not everyone of course is in agreement) that there is 'no easy aspect to Saturn' that it means tough lessons either way. This may be connected to the malefic you're talking about here, Mars, that this is only the 'strike out' force, no taming of this lion.

Also, I know someone close with Venus and Mars conjunct in Pisces. Her Venus definitely has it's own expression (including trine Scorpio ASC) but whether it softens her Mars, I don't know.

[Love2Know]

Without the lessons of Saturn there is no possibilities from Jupiter, what happens when we discover more planets and what makes the traditional values associated with each planet correct?

[astrologer50]

Without the lessons of Saturn there is no possibilities from Jupiter, what happens when we discover more planets and what makes the traditional values associated with each planet correct?

I should imagine very little, any new planets are likely to be asteriods fixed stars type of things, which have been added, like chiron for example

I'm not clear what you are asking regarding, "what makes Trad values assoc with each planet correct" are you asking why venus stands for love and affection and finacnes? why is saturn 'old father time' and cause delays frustrations and limitations??

[StillOne]

astrologer50, I think it would help if you included your viewpoints on Mars in this thread so we could compare better.

As of right now I'm leaning towards agreeing with RIR...

My Mars is very important in my chart. It's an earth Singleton, the apex of a Yod, retrograde, in Taurus in the 10th (equal/koch). The combination is interesting as it's very prominent in my chart but in fall and retrograde so it's a bit subtle but still there constantly to be accessed should I need it's strength which is very Taurian; slow, steady, persistent, with quite a bit of stamina. Once it gets moving it can stay in motion for awhile.

I think I'm a bit fortunate that it's in fall in Taurus because I'm afraid if it was in a different sign that the Rx would affect me in a possibly more adverse way. However, if it were in a different sign maybe I would have noticed it's effects earlier and been able to deal with it sooner.

I feel since it's an earth Singleton, Rx and the apex of a yod that it needs constant balancing. So anything to access the power of Mars does me good! However, since it's more internalized, due to the Rx, it's better that I'm competitive with myself or access it in an individualized manner.

Also to note it gets a Sextile from Saturn and a Square from Jupiter.

[RaptInReverie]

Hi Rapt,

I was attracted to how you posed that title and I'm intrigued by how you put your case forward.

I see you've Mars in Gemini (snap!) too, can you tell us about how you see it in your life? How has it come to express for you over the years? :devil:

p.s. I've read more and more astrologers (not everyone of course is in agreement) that there is 'no easy aspect to Saturn' that it means tough lessons either way. This may be connected to the malefic you're talking about here, Mars, that this is only the 'strike out' force, no taming of this lion.

Also, I know someone close with Venus and Mars conjunct in Pisces. Her Venus definitely has it's own expression (including trine Scorpio ASC) but whether it softens her Mars, I don't know.

Hello byjove,

It is all about how the planets in a chart balance one another. There are no “good” and “bad” planets; however, they each have different roles, and some of those roles may seem “malefic” to those who do not understand how they balance the personality.

In the case of Mars and Saturn, many astrologers seem to suggest that they are malefic. I disagree. They are vital aspects of the psyche that must be expressed to maintain equilibrium. Furthermore, no matter how they relate to the other planets (aspects), they must maintain the core essence of their being--their purpose, if you will. They must uphold their part in the balancing out of your personality. For one will be apathetic without the drive of Mars and undisciplined without the structure of Saturn. Even where soft aspects are concerned, they still carry out their roles. It is up to the individual to decide whether or not they will express them in positive or negative ways. And an individual who represses or refuses to acknowledge the true natures of Mars and Saturn will be unbalanced and weak.

Mars in Gemini in the 9th drives me to seek out higher knowledge, to research, to stand up and be vocal about my beliefs and philosophies, and to defend them when needed. It makes me insatiably curious, restless in certain matters, and courageous. There are many more aspects to it as well, but I think I’ve made my point here. The point is, it balances my more vulnerable and passive sides. In a way, it protects them.

[RaptInReverie]

astrologer50, I think it would help if you included your viewpoints on Mars in this thread so we could compare better.

As of right now I'm leaning towards agreeing with RIR...

My Mars is very important in my chart. It's an earth Singleton, the apex of a Yod, retrograde, in Taurus in the 10th (equal/koch). The combination is interesting as it's very prominent in my chart but in fall and retrograde so it's a bit subtle but still there constantly to be accessed should I need it's strength which is very Taurian; slow, steady, persistent, with quite a bit of stamina. Once it gets moving it can stay in motion for awhile.

I think I'm a bit fortunate that it's in fall in Taurus because I'm afraid if it was in a different sign that the Rx would affect me in a possibly more adverse way. However, if it were in a different sign maybe I would have noticed it's effects earlier and been able to deal with it sooner.

I feel since it's an earth Singleton, Rx and the apex of a yod that it needs constant balancing. So anything to access the power of Mars does me good! However, since it's more internalized, due to the Rx, it's better that I'm competitive with myself or access it in an individualized manner.

Also to note it gets a Sextile from Saturn and a Square from Jupiter.

Very interesting.

What you've written is exactly what I am trying to explain....how the planets balance the personality. The sign and house placements shape the planetary energies, but the role of the planet is still the same. I also agree that the energies of Rx planets are sometimes focused more inwards, but that's a whole nother story.

[astrologer50]

astrologer50, I think it would help if you included your viewpoints on Mars in this thread so we could compare better.[ I have in post 3. I do not disagree with mars being the planet of action, possibly sexuality. Our disagreement if you like was quite specific as we both have mars in Gemini, mine 5th OP 9th which I think had a square to mercury dom but retro in 1st conj asc]

As of right now I'm leaning towards agreeing with RIR...

My Mars is very important in my chart. It's an earth Singleton, the apex of a Yod, retrograde, in Taurus in the 10th (equal/koch). The combination is interesting as it's very prominent in my chart but in fall and retrograde so it's a bit subtle but still there constantly to be accessed should I need it's strength which is very Taurian; slow, steady, persistent, with quite a bit of stamina. Once it gets moving it can stay in motion for awhile.

I think I'm a bit fortunate that it's in fall in Taurus because I'm afraid if it was in a different sign that the Rx would affect me in a possibly more adverse way. However, if it were in a different sign maybe I would have noticed it's effects earlier and been able to deal with it sooner.

I feel since it's an earth Singleton, Rx and the apex of a yod that it needs constant balancing. So anything to access the power of Mars does me good! However, since it's more internalized, due to the Rx, it's better that I'm competitive with myself or access it in an individualized manner.

Also to note it gets a Sextile from Saturn and a Square from Jupiter.

I'm not keen on discussing generalities and cookbooks like this I prefer specifics, charts. Like I've said many times here, what is the point in just discussing one aspect of a persons chart as we are ALL multi faceted human beings, and that's how it should be. For example 12 sun signs, 12 houses, there then 144 combinations there, same for rest of 9planets, then aspects. It's all about synthesis. I really can't see the point in discussing generalities about JUST mars is signs. What about mars in houses, what about mars in aspects, what *other aspects* does mars receive to alter, modify and change how mars performs??

No one's mars is going to act,behave like the next persons or member on here. I feel it's doing astrology a disservice, just taking one planet out of context and discussing IT, without considering lots of things connected to mars...

[RaptInReverie]

No one's mars is going to act,behave like the next persons or member on here. I feel it's doing astrology a disservice, just taking one planet out of context and discussing IT, without considering lots of things connected to mars... Mars has the same function in every chart, so why not discuss it alone? The difference is in how and where its energy is expressed, but its function is the same. It is more than just action.

I do believe that Mars in Gemini can dispose a person to debate, sarcasm, and strong opinions. I can see this in you through the threads here.

[JerryRR]

The Maya associated Venus with War,they used Venus for their coronations and wars.Wars were planned when Venus rose.
I think it may have been Gauquelin that found more Generals were born under Libra.
I recommend "The Inner Planets-Building Blocks of Personal Reality."by Green and Sasportas.
Interesting thread.

J.R.

[Love2Know]

Yeah astrologer50, I don't know why I can't understand what it means... what makes mars what it is or the other planets, what is the root of this theory?

[Love2Know]

The Maya associated Venus with War,they used Venus for their coronations and wars.Wars were planned when Venus rose.
I think it may have been Gauquelin that found more Generals were born under Libra.
I recommend "The Inner Planets-Building Blocks of Personal Reality."by Green and Sasportas.
Interesting thread.

J.R.

Super cool!!!!!! Thanks. I REad I forget which army, ancient Greece or Rome!??!! They used to put war troops together based on their astrological comparability. This was determined by their rising signs (which was considered your most important or true sign) together. Does anyone remember this?

[Love2Know]

In the case of Mars and Saturn, many astrologers seem to suggest that they are malefic. I disagree. They are vital aspects of the psyche that must be expressed to maintain equilibrium. Furthermore, no matter how they relate to the other planets (aspects), they must maintain the core essence of their being--their purpose, if you will. They must uphold their part in the balancing out of your personality. For one will be apathetic without the drive of Mars and undisciplined without the structure of Saturn. Even where soft aspects are concerned, they still carry out their roles. It is up to the individual to decide whether or not they will express them in positive or negative ways. And an individual who represses or refuses to acknowledge the true natures of Mars and Saturn will be unbalanced and weak.[/QUOTE]

I was just thinking about my Venus square Saturn today in regrades to my relationships. I credit it with my intense focus on honesty, fidelity and almost business like mentality with maters of the heart. I don't mess around, there is no greater pain than hurting the ones you love. These are the morals and values I have learnt due to relationships, with the energy of this aspect working within the dynamic. I have had to seriously learn empathy and fidelity through pain. This is also one of my greatest strengths, I can be pretty flaky but not when it comes to love or close relationships, that is all serious stuff I will be there 100%. It took a lot of struggles to assimilate the harshness of this aspect and ingrain it into my mental workings, the end resulting in becoming more awakened and at peace with this part of myself. It went from so intense and serious to an almost Jupiter quality of expansion and luck or happy go lucky mentality.

[astrologer50]

RIR,

As I suspected mercury/mars but as it turns out mercury/ pluto are contra parallel which acts like an opposition....:innocent: so this strenthens the retro motion and adds an ability to dig and delve, researching but also *capable* of verbal lacerations/acid tongue on occasion...


shows mental tension. You may become the repository of confidential information and problems of a personal nature by persons with whom you associate. This is a difficult aspect because you have a tendency toward harsh and abrupt speech. When challenged, you become emotionally and intellectually arrogant, as if your credibility is being questioned. You are impatient with yourself and others, demanding that projects get done immediately.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/mercuryaspects.html#meopl



perceptive and you dig so deep for answers that you can be your own worst enemy. As a result, you might find ulterior motives or dark intent where there is none, and your suspicious, provocative attitude can cause some problems in your personal life, particularly if it reaches the level of paranoia. Not many people enjoy being second-guessed all the time, yet that is something that you are inclined to do, and a tendency that should be kept in check in your dealings with others.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/mercuryplutoaspects.html

So although mercury doesn't have an aspect to mars natally or pluto natally, declinations adds another layer.

Natal mars is apex for common Tsquare, a very tight square to moon, emotionally very assertive (bossy mother)

saturn, uranus and neptune are ALL contra parallel MC which acts like an opposition
Venus/chiron are parallel which acts like a conjuction
vertex/venus are contra parallel

Astrologer50 disagreed with a lot of my ideas of what Mars represents. She stated that aggression and the other seemingly “negative” attributes were only products of squares and other hard aspects to Mars. She believes that under the influence of soft aspects, Mars emits energy in a more harmonious fashion

and I still stand by this, but in our 'other thead' we were talking specifically mars sextile mercury. so the reason I have continued mercury/mars expressions was pure curiosity to see how your mercury functioned, hence the attached, parallels....

T Pluto is currently conj natal uranus, although outer generational planets may well be having an effect on communications as these outer form nice trines to mercury retro...

[twelthnight]

Thanks for this discussion, interesting! I have been observing a lot of what I'd call mars energy in my two young sons. Apperantly, boys get their first surge of testosterone around age 4. You can actually see them change from sweet, passive children to being obsessed with graphic and gorey talk and fighting in general. Around this age they also become aware for the first time that they are separate from their mothers, and they must learn to defend themselves in some ways. Sometimes it seems as if their entire psychology is engaged in this quest for dominance and autonomy. This is a really important (although sometimes alarming) phase pf development. I see parents who are horrified by it and won't allow their boys to talk out and work out their fears and issues around these concepts (obviously I'm not suggesting they let their kids be violent or even play with fake weapons) but to honor their developmental need to work out their mars is VERY important I would think, in order to allow mars to function well in adulthood.

[Love2Know]

Honestly, this sounds more like me than my brother as children. Just for the record a lot of biology is 'Sexed' and 'sexist'.

[StillOne]

Thanks for this discussion, interesting! I have been observing a lot of what I'd call mars energy in my two young sons. Apperantly, boys get their first surge of testosterone around age 4. You can actually see them change from sweet, passive children to being obsessed with graphic and gorey talk and fighting in general. Around this age they also become aware for the first time that they are separate from their mothers, and they must learn to defend themselves in some ways. Sometimes it seems as if their entire psychology is engaged in this quest for dominance and autonomy. This is a really important (although sometimes alarming) phase pf development. I see parents who are horrified by it and won't allow their boys to talk out and work out their fears and issues around these concepts (obviously I'm not suggesting they let their kids be violent or even play with fake weapons) but to honor their developmental need to work out their mars is VERY important I would think, in order to allow mars to function well in adulthood.
Very interesting. I think it's also interesting to note that the basis for the thread is the difference in opinion between a male and a female.

[twelthnight]

Honestly, this sounds more like me than my brother as children. Just for the record a lot of biology is 'Sexed' and 'sexist'.

Gawd, I was just gonna put in a disclaimer: I only have boys, that is all I know, please don't be offended if this comes off as sexist, but from the dozens and dozens of mothers I've talked to, this testosterone surge is REAL.

[Love2Know]

I'm not offended, more interested. I am not a doctor all I know is sociology and how the art of medicine with social perception has been coupled and personified. Sorry, if I seemed to be offended or such! I was more enthusiastic..... Yes people have coupled testosterone with male attributes no argument with that here. Hey maybe I am full of testosterone myself lol!

[Caro]

I see this post has taken off.................:happy: (very mars)

my progressed libran mars is in scorpio not sure when then happened. no other planets in scorpio. placed in the 12th house. didnt express my anger to my parents when younger but did to my siblings! wild fighting! :devil:

mainly I express my anger through verbal stuff. and yes you have to check the other part of a chart to see how it manifests. have got better at handling it as I have got older though. thankfully.

I also have read about that librans are often found in the governments of those who go to war. ie Margaret Thatcher and Falklands war. now David Cameron - its like the iron fist behind the velvet glove.

I have met many very fiesty mars in pisces too! So again not playing too type.

anger is very creative and a normal ok human emotion and that is where i think the confusion is. it does need an outlet.

i have a saturn transit to my mars coming up in my 12th. (Im considering jumping to whole house as then it will be in my first house) but already I see this coming out via communication and verbally. So the frustration/anger I feel about previous events is being expressed in that way. lots of complaint letters and very blunt (well thought) out arguments!!!! I present a very forceful argument and it takes people by surprise a lot of the time.

[Love2Know]

My bosses and main manager are all libras, my gosh they do not mess around, if they get pissed they will let you know. My dad and my brother as well both libras but my bro is really mellowed out his anger is more explosive the rest are like constantly easily irritated. If I stay calm they get mad at me if I just get irritated with them it defuses them a bit. Kinda weird for what I know from libra.

[twelthnight]

I'm not offended, more interested. I am not a doctor all I know is sociology and how the art of medicine with social perception has been coupled and personified. Sorry, if I seemed to be offended or such! I was more enthusiastic..... Yes people have coupled testosterone with male attributes no argument with that here. Hey maybe I am full of testosterone myself lol!

Haha...see mars transiting Virgo now is just about to enter my first house and conjunct my chart ruler and sun...now my mars is in cancer, so my red flags for mars out of wack is getting DEFENSIVE. I really hope I don't spend the next 9 months of mars in virgo defending myself against nothing....not that I thought you were offended L2K, it's just hard to talk about what really goes on with young children without sounding like the biggest sexist ever. You have a lot of Leo (masculine) energy and you may well have high testosterone. Fascinating stuff!

[twelthnight]

*Strokes her mustache and nods
I have been so out of wack this week, well more than normal. I realized I just need several martinis and to hang out with friends. I don't know what transit I could attribute that too... a lazy one cuz when I go lazy I go crazy- Saturn in the 4th?

Lol!
Hope you get those martinis, darling...btw, just planning my thanksgiving menu...clementine champagne martinis and kir royal. OMG I'm in heaven planning menus, that's what my mars in cancer loves best. Don't mind me, I'll just wait out my mars storm in the kitchen! :innocent:

[twelthnight]

Hahah sounds like a delicious plan, Yeah I had some crazy martinis last night an amazing pear one and one with amaretto and other stuff in it...... mellowed me right out haha It was suppose to be a girls night but then my bf showed up oh well he wouldnt even drink a martini he said it's for women, James Bond Hello! anyways getting off track nice, and good luck with the dinner are you cooking it all yourself?!?!

You bet! It usually takes me three days of prep and cooking for a big holiday meal. It is my idea of fun. Sorry, OP, we are derailing!:bandit:

[dhundhun]

This is just to give you some different perspective.


For starters, my background in occult studies encompasses planetary magick, and my views of the planets are heavily influenced by the ancient archetypes of the seven classical “planets“: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn (Of course the Sun and the Moon are not technically planets).


As far as Astrology is concerned, Sun and Moon are planet. They go around Earth (basically individuals, such as me, you).


In regards to the planet Mars, I have come to the conclusion that its true attributes are wrongfully considered by many to be “negative”, so astrologers water them down to make them more palatable for their querents. But this misunderstanding arises only when one fails to realize the bigger picture. No planets are ‘good” or “bad”. They all balance each other out, creating an equilibrium in the personality.

Mars represents drive, action, energy, passion, courage, force, aggression, survival, desire, competition, pursuit, ambition, strength, courage, anger, domination, ruthlessness, combativeness, physicality, and human nature (as in fight or flight). I firmly hold to these archetypes because they were gathered from my own meditation on the Martian energy and not from a book by another astrologer.



One spur of Mars can have severe damage, for example saying Talak, Talak, Talak in Islam to spouse. They are unrepairable damage.

On guy in India killed his two sons by shooting in head, just because he was not able to sleep.

Mars is like pulling trigger.

In Indian Astrology, for marriages it's placement is very important. Mars in 1st, 4th, 7th, 8th and 12th are called Manglik. Generally people avoid marriage between Manglik and non-Manglik. Why, a Manglik with Mars in 7th can slap and abuse spouse - Even if the trigger is once in life time. Same thing may not be important, where slapping or abusing or divorcing each other is common. You can guess about other houses, how Mars can influence in marriage life. Where Mars in welcome: in 10th, in 3rd, in 11th, in 6th.


She stated that aggression and the other seemingly “negative” attributes were only products of squares and other hard aspects to Mars. She believes that under the influence of soft aspects, Mars emits energy in a more harmonious fashion.


In example above, Mars in 7th with good aspect to other means partner does not care about being abused or beaten. OR ...

In Indian Astrology Manglik to Manglik match means both can take fight. For example both having Mars in 7th - both can't suppress each other.

[StillOne]

You bet! It usually takes me three days of prep and cooking for a big holiday meal. It is my idea of fun. Sorry, OP, we are derailing!:bandit:

Probably a way to work out mars energy anyhow... Slicing, mashing, cutting, chopping, mixing, heating...

[twelthnight]

Probably a way to work out mars energy anyhow... Slicing, mashing, cutting, chopping, mixing, heating...

I absolutely agree. I think cooking is VERY theraputic for mars in cancer. The boiling pots, simmering sauces, the chop, chop! Makes me feel super happy. If I am angry, I will cook...but I don't like to serve it to anyone, doesn't seem right to serve an angry dish.

[twelthnight]

You sound like an awesome person to be around mmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmm. Heh I can cook to but it's fast and furious and chaotic, basically I am compared to a mad scientist. Do you do desserts? Ok sorry this is my gluttony kicking in.

:happy: You know my bf just melts when I cook for him...it's an awesome thing to be able to make someone sublimely happy with food. I am a total feeder, but I don't do desserts very often (and I'm okay at them but not great) no one in my family has much of a sweet tooth....but I did just make homeade chocolate peppermint truffles with my boys cos they love mint. Also making a fresh fig and frangipanie tart for thanksgiving...now dough of any type I can really get into...beautiful stuff! Pastry dough is excellent fun b/c it's such a science. All French cooking rules and rocks my world! :kissing::kissing::love:

Geeking out on food...:innocent:

[Love2Know]

My fault sorry I will delete my posts!

[kimbermoon]

glad you have attempted to move away from the rather contentious thread I was previously following...I have Mars in Capricorn in opposition to Sun/Jupiter conjunct in Cancer, crossing the 2nd/8th axis...it is also the tip of a kite configuration...what have I learned?

In youth I was extremely sensitive and emotional and life taught me that I had to learn to control and direct my energies, rather than being a door-mat for others...Mars opp Sun: conflicts with males attempting to dominate; financial upsets; Mars/Jupiter: learning to reign in my familial attachments causing distress;
questioning religious organizations and seeking after divine understanding

Jupiter/Sun conjunct: the luck of a small inheritance but more importantly significant spurt of development after the loss of my parents... I was changed psychologically ...

As a water dominant person I needed this Mars in Capricorn to teach me about endurance, patience, organization and the law of cause and effect...
I am no master of industry nor am I interested in business, yet I intuit on a deeper level [Scorpio rising, pluto in the 10th] that the true 'spiritual' archetype represents 'the goat climbing the mountains in search of wisdom and fulfillment...there are many challenges to face on the long climb upwards...

[RaptInReverie]

My fault sorry I will delete my posts!

This thread is open to any and all conversation.

[astrologer50]

Astrologer50,

First, I want to make it clear that your quotes from other astrologers aren’t proving anything to anyone. An astrologer should be able to formulate his/her own opinion when interpreting charts.[that's being very selective,and only per chance, readidng what you want to read here??] Here is where you and I differ. My methods are my own.[so are mine try re reading, the links I post are educational for people wanting to learn astrology by well known published authors or websites!!!] I primarily depend upon my own discernment when analyzing a chart.

Now, my Mercury, Mars, and Pluto do NOT have an oppositional relationship,[your parallels say diffferent] despite what you’ve stated above. Mercury and Pluto are both co-rulers of my 3rd house and they are sextile; Mercury is lord of my 9th house (where Mars is located); Mars and Pluto are both co-rulers of my 8th house. This is NOT an oppositional relationship. In fact, contrarily, they are very connected, and this adds power to the three placements.

You are reading what you want into my chart, and it is obvious.[NOPE I'm reading your *declinations* do you know what they are?] You want to prove that an aggressive Mars is the product of a hard aspect, and this is not true. Mars is aggressive by nature, whether it is aspected beneficially, malevolently, or not at all. You are sugarcoating the function of Mars, and you are using other astrologer’s words to prove your point (which, by the way, is impossible because most astrologers have their own method of interpretation).
Are you per chance, only reading what you selective want to read?


As I suspected mercury/mars but as it turns out mercury/ pluto are contra parallel which acts like an opposition....:innocent: so this strenthens the retro motion and adds an ability to dig and delve, researching but also *capable* of verbal lacerations/acid tongue on occasion...

obviously YOU dont' understand declinations/parallels, may I suggest some research?

This thread is open to any and all conversation.
only providing it's astrologically based and cooking tips
:cool:
forum rules

Off-topic and personal messages are permitted as long as they are limited and do not turn the attention from the astrological topic discussed.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/faq.php

[kimbermoon]

:pinched:Astrologer50,
You are reading what you want into my chart, and it is obvious. You want to prove that an aggressive Mars is the product of a hard aspect, and this is not true. Mars is aggressive by nature, whether it is aspected beneficially, malevolently, or not at all. You are sugarcoating the function of Mars, and you are using other astrologer’s words to prove your point (which, by the way, is impossible because most astrologers have their own method of interpretation).

I would offer that Mars in Cancer would not be highly aggressive without some heavy other aspects...here we go again...we are not here to prove something to others...we are here to coach them into gaining their own wisdom of how certain factors of the chart can play out...consider this...with respect, when you are accessing astrology websites that you include in your personal lists of resources, is this not the same thing...encouraging the use of other astrologer's word combinations? contradiction?

again you are oozing judgment by saying: 'you are sugar-coating the function of Mars'...this is only the way you see it.

[divine g]

In the case of Mars and Saturn, many astrologers seem to suggest that they are malefic. I disagree. They are vital aspects of the psyche that must be expressed to maintain equilibrium. Furthermore, no matter how they relate to the other planets (aspects), they must maintain the core essence of their being--their purpose, if you will. They must uphold their part in the balancing out of your personality. For one will be apathetic without the drive of Mars and undisciplined without the structure of Saturn. Even where soft aspects are concerned, they still carry out their roles. It is up to the individual to decide whether or not they will express them in positive or negative ways. And an individual who represses or refuses to acknowledge the true natures of Mars and Saturn will be unbalanced and weak.Still reading responses on this page, but wanted to say this quickly. I have both Mars and Saturn conjunct in my 1st, and I'm rather thankful for these 2 "Malefics", as they serve my introverted nature well. They basically project masculinity and cold seriousness that makes most people keep their distance, which I want! Saturn in 1st shows a lot of responsibility, from childhood, and as ruler of time, he doesn't have time for small talk.

Now, as to those planets being called "malefics", I think that it's used as a term relative to other planets, especially Venus and Jupiter. It really depends on what angle the astrologer is being given. If one comes to them for a reading, say on synastry for marriage, or expecting money soon, Mars and Saturn in the picture don't bode well.

However, Mars could be good in providing toughness to weather a storm, and in legal cases, having Saturn on your side can sometimes be more beneficial than Jupiter! Saturn's rewards tend to be more long-lasting, and sometimes Jupiter's bubble can burst pretty quickly. Jupiter is kind of like that million-dollar lottery ticket, but here comes "malefic" Saturn taking half for taxes! But Saturn is that blessing in disguise, bc if you see the history of lottery winners, that free money ends up being a curse, and they're broke, or dead in no time.

Jupiter's blessings can sometimes be a curse. An "all you can eat buffet" is the last thing a person trying to lose weight needs, although in the moment it may seem great. So, as said above it is all a matter of perspective. But in general, if you want to look for good news, you would look to Jupiter first. Relative to Saturn, Jupiter's the good guy. But they also are like good cop, bad cop, they work together. Sometimes the good cop is trying to trick you.

I've also had some disagreements with astrologer50, RIR. Some ppl just like to argue. My Mars is in Leo, squaring Mercury and Uranus, so that double fire can be triggered pretty quickly and intensely, and it comes out vocally, and in public. Mars in Leo likes to make a show with their fights. I can really make a scene when I want to, even with Saturn conjuncting my Mars to cool him off.

I would say that Mars all by himself, that planetary energy all alone, is the energy of the male, the warrior, yes. The God of War, "Mars", is by definition, far from being the "nice guy". The aspects and signs he's in in charts will determine just how "bad" he will be. But in a dog eat dog, upside-down world, I agree, "bad" is good. So dont trip too much off classical defintions of malefic and benefic. But Mars is definitely the symbol of the bad boy. It's a bit aggravating that someone would argue about something so self-evident.

[RaptInReverie]

again you are oozing judgment by saying: 'you are sugar-coating the function of Mars'...this is only the way you see it.

Because it's MY chart

[RaptInReverie]

I would say that Mars all by himself, that planetary energy all alone, is the energy of the male, the warrior, yes. The God of War, "Mars", is by definition, far from being the "nice guy". The aspects and signs he's in in charts will determine just how "bad" he will be. But in a dog eat dog, upside-down world, I agree, "bad" is good. So dont trip too much off classical defintions of malefic and benefic. But Mars is definitely the symbol of the bad boy. It's a bit aggravating that someone would argue about something so self-evident.

Exactly my point! And whether we are male or female, we all have masculine and feminine energy, so it is not a matter of gender (no that you implied that). We all have that kick-*** energy in us somewhere!

[astrologer50]

rulerships and natal aspects are NOT the same as *Declinations* and I don't have to prove my style of responding to members you to or anyone. Do NOT make this personal, keep it astrological or moderators will probably intervene.....


Now, my Mercury, Mars, and Pluto do NOT have an oppositional relationship, despite what you’ve stated above. Mercury and Pluto are both co-rulers of my 3rd house and they are sextile; Mars is in Gemini ruled by Mercury; Mars and Pluto are both co-rulers of my 8th house. This is NOT an oppositional relationship. In fact, contrarily, they are very connected, and this adds power to the three placements.



Sorry but you DO have a declination aspect which operates like an opposition!! FACT

[divine g]

Venus' association with War is interesting, I have to look into that more. Women can certainly put up a fight, in other non-physical (Martian) ways.

There's also some beauty to winning a battle, that's why Sun Tzu's classic manual calls it the "Art" of War. Venus ruling the 7th house of opposition, can reflect Mars in some ways, and probably rules the art of passive-agression.

If people studied the mythology behind these archetypes more, there would be no argument. The myth of the god Mars, as I recall, he was HATED by the other gods. There really wasn't much nice about Mars, the actual being the planet is named aftere.

[RaptInReverie]

rulerships and natal aspects are NOT the same as *Declinations* and I don't have to prove my style of responding to members you to or anyone. Do NOT make this personal, keep it astrological or moderators will probably intervene.....



Sorry but they DO have a declination aspect which operates like an opposition!!

It is not personal; I don't know you.

But like I said, every astrologer has his/her own method. I don't agree with every method out there. And if you had interpreted my chart with declinations like you did above, the whole interpretation about me would be inaccurate.

[astrologer50]

It is not personal; I don't know you.[you are making 'flaming comments' which leads to personal attacks which moderators will intervene here....]

But like I said, every astrologer has his/her own method. I don't agree with every method out there. And if you had interpreted my chart with declinations like you did above, the whole interpretation about me would be inaccurate.

mercury/pluto contra parallel suits you perfectly from I've seen so far :whistling:

[divine g]

Exactly my point! And whether we are male or female, we all have masculine and feminine energy, so it is not a matter of gender (no that you implied that). We all have that kick-*** energy in us somewhere!

Yes, a woman with a heavy Aries energy can definitely kick some butt. In fact, I would prefer a woman who identifies with her Mars energy, as I have little patience for a "girly-girl", crying over a broken nail.

Women who are race-car drivers, boxers, cops, or in any "traditionally" male-dominated areas, would be a prime example of how Mars energy by itself, whether in man, woman, or animal, is, by nature, agressive, one can even say "out for blood". Hence, its place as the "Red Planet". Ruled by iron, which can be used for good things, but is mostly known for weapons of war. That is Mars' primary purpose, anyone who wants to argue against that must just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Whenever the nicest person finally gets red in the face, hot under the collar, and screams to back off, that's Mars. Plain and simple.

[RaptInReverie]

mercury/pluto contra parallel suits you perfectly from I've seen so far :whistling:

And you've known me for what? 2 days! If I were a client, you'd be off base with that.

[RaptInReverie]

Yes, a woman with a heavy Aries energy can definitely kick some butt. In fact, I would prefer a woman who identifies with her Mars energy, as I have little patience for a "girly-girl", crying over a broken nail.

Women who are race-car drivers, boxers, cops, or in any "traditionally "male-dominated areas, would be a prime example of how Mars energy by itself, whether in man, woman, or animal, is, by nature agressive, one can even say "out for blood". Hence, its place as the "Red Planet". Ruled by iron, which can be used for good things, but is mostly known for weapons of war. That is Mars' primary purpose, anyone who wants to argue against that must just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Whenever the nicest person finally gets red in the face, hot under the collar, and screams to back off, that's Mars. Plain and simple.

I think so. That or they're just in complete denial.

[divine g]

I would say someone is bored. This is a bit off topic, but I also clashed with astrologer50 after they accused me of plagiarizing one of my posts. I also meditate on planetary energies, and have always expressed my original viewpoints. So after I shared a long post after a meditation, they condescendingly asked me if I was aware of forum rules about posting other people's works, blah blah..then took it back.. I dont get it. But he/she will really get your blood boiling if u let them. Wonder where/how your Mars is aspected astrologer50, for you to be starting so many fights? Or maybe your chart has a lot of Aries energy? Fill us in.

As I said My Mars is in heart-ruled, pleasure-loving Leo, so fighting is fun to me, I love a good fight. Conjunct Saturn, I would consider it kind of my job.

[RaptInReverie]

I would say someone is bored. This is a bit off topic, but I also clashed with astrologer50 after they accused me of plagiarizing one of my posts. I also meditate on planetary energies, and have always expressed my original viewpoints. So after I shared a long post after a meditation, they condescendingly asked me if I was aware of forum rules about posting other people's works, blah blah..then took it back.. I dont get it. But he/she will really get your blood boiling if let them. Wonder where/how your Mars is aspected astrologer50, for you to be starting so many fights? Or maybe a lot of Aries energy? Fill us in.

As I said My Mars is in heart-ruled, pleasure-loving Leo, so fighting is fun, I love a good fight. Conjunct Mars, I would consider it kind of my job.

Well, I would really enjoy hearing some of what you've discovered meditating on the planetary energies. From what you've said so far, you've gotten a good grasp on Mars. Link me if possible.

[divine g]

Well, I would really enjoy hearing some of what you've discovered meditating on the planetary energies. From what you've said so far, you've gotten a good grasp on Mars. Link me if possible.

I've been here for a couple of years, you can check my profile for all the threads I've started, and threads I've posted on. I've had my share of "battles" intellectually on here, but it's all in good fun for me, a learning experience, and can only sharpen my sword. This was my meditation on the evolution of the signs, which kind of gets into what you were saying. That even a sign's "bad" traits are there for a reason, and comes with evolution, from the starting point of survival, with the first sign of Aries.
"Evolution of the Signs from Aries to Pisces" also gets into the cyclical nature of things. A lot of it is based on actual people and how they express their energies. It was a real quick, and real rough blueprint, far from a final treatise.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40847

(Also, with my quote above, I meant my Mars conjunct Saturn.)
By the way, I'm a Gemini Sun, so I totally understand your gift for fiery intellectual debate.

[RaptInReverie]

Astrologer50,

Write in your own words what Mars' role is in the natal chart. Let's really discuss this now.

[divine g]

If I did, it was out of genuine concern and not (condescendingly) wanting you to get into trouble over this as they are pretty s** t hot here on matters like this ....and trust me I have been in deep sh**t myself so I know what I'm talking about...

Yes, I know that we had already "squashed" that "beef". But that's Mars, his first instinct is to react combatively, bc you can never be sure. But also, I think the point was, there must also be some badly aspected Martian energy in your chart, bc there was really no reason to assume I was copying and pasting someone else's words, I have a track record here of knowing my stuff.

So again, what's going on with your Mars that made you jump to that conclusion? What are its house, sign and aspects, if you don't mind my asking?

[RaptInReverie]

I've been here for a couple of years, you can check my profile for all the threads I've started, and threads I've posted on. I've had my share of "battles" intellectually on here, but it's all in good fun for me, a learning experience, and can only sharpen my sword. This was my meditation on the evolution of the signs, which kind of gets into what you were saying. That even a sign's "bad" traits are there for a reason, and comes with evolution, from the starting point of survival, with the first sign of Aries.
Evolution of the Signs from Aries to Pisces. Also gets into the cyclical nature of things. A lot of is based on actual people and how they express their energies. It was a real quick, and real rough blueprint, far from a final treatise.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40847

(Also, with my quote above, I meant my Mars conjunct Saturn.)
By the way, I'm a Gemini Sun, so I totally understand your gift for fiery intellectual debate.

Astrologer has Mars in Gemini like me, but she says it doesn't have this effect. HA!

[Love2Know]

My mars in CAPRICORN FOR THE WIN *Dances on your gemini mars
It like down plays my mars energy into a quiet endurance race?

[astrologer50]

Now if you had read this thread from start to end you would know. OP has mars in gemini (like myself) his in 9th and mine in 5th well aspected.

[Love2Know]

What qualifies something as well aspected?

[astrologer50]

Astrologer has Mars in Gemini like me, but she says it doesn't have this effect. HA!

shouldn't we be talking how your/our mercury responds and is aspected. Oh, let's not forget your mercury/pluto IS contra parallel :biggrin::biggrin:

[Love2Know]

It's on now!!!!!! It's been brought, how fitting.

[divine g]

Now if you had read this thread from start to end you would know. OP has mars in gemini (like myself) his in 9th and mine in 5th well aspected.

Yeah, so you're Mars is in 5th, you like to fight for fun. Bingo. 5th is house of pleasure, Mars is god of war, a good fight is entertainment for you. Not judging, bc that's human nature. That's why boxing and sports are so big, ppl like to see a good fight. So I guess, you have a gift for starting them, so other ppl can enjoy watching.

(And like I said above in my first post, I didn't get to read all the responses. That's Mars again, saw a fight, and was quick to jump in. He's real rude and impatient like that :biggrin:)

[astrologer50]

What qualifies something as well aspected?

all depends on the planets really whether it's benefic or malific.

malefics are saturn, uranus, neptune and pluto.....

easy aspects (depending on planets) are sextiles 60' and trines 120'

some planets get along well, others really don't get along well at all...

[RaptInReverie]

shouldn't we be talking how your/our mercury responds and is aspected. Oh, let's not forget your mercury/pluto IS contra parallel :biggrin::biggrin:

All of "your" interpretations are based from others' views. Both my Mercury and Pluto are well aspected in my chart.

[astrologer50]

Astrologer50,

Write in your own words what Mars' role is in the natal chart. Let's really discuss this now.

AGAIN I say I don't want to discuss archetypes or generalities as I have repeatedly said on this thread. I prefer to SEE charts and take an overall view rather than just take on planet or aspect out of context.....

[twelthnight]

I'm sorry...we can't all have perfect charts *dripping with irony* attack via astrology is seriously immature. :sick:

[divine g]

Astrologer50, what planets aspect your Mars, specifically Mercury? Bc a "good" aspect, just bc it's an easy one doesn't mean it's good. It may show that it's easy for you to get into arguments, as opposed to a "bad" aspect, that may block this energy, sometimes for your own protection. My Saturn conj Mars, has saved my life, probably, I'm sure.

[astrologer50]

All of "your" interpretations are based from others' views. Both my Mercury and Pluto are well aspected in my chart.

[acting like a Moderator in comment when NOT a moderator - Moderator]

BUT you have an additional aspect called *declination* which acts like mercury opp pluto......

[divine g]

I'm sorry...we can't all have perfect charts *dripping with irony* attack via astrology is seriously immature. :sick:

It's not about attacking, it's about understanding potential weaknesses. If you saw someone with something stuck in your teeth, it would be passively-aggressively attacking them to not say something. If anything, we're helping each other see ourselves clearer.

Friendly intellectual sparring or constructive criticism is different from an "attack"

[twelthnight]

It's not about attacking, it's about understanding potential weaknesses. If you saw someone with something stuck in your teeth, it would be passively-aggressively attacking them to not say something. If anything, we're helping each other see ourselves clearer.

Friendly intellectual sparring or constructive criticism is different from an "attack"

I just don't see how constructive it is to pinpoint certian aspects one may have in the heat of an argument and throw it in one's face. Seems like weaponry.

[divine g]

I just don't see how constructive it is to pinpoint certian aspects one may have in the heat of an argument and throw it in one's face. Seems like weaponry.

I dont know who you're referring to, but if it's me pointing out to astrologer50 that her Mars in 5th shows a potential for one who likes fights, I'm not attacking her thru her aspects. Before I knew that, I could already see it!

But it's ok, hopefully astrologer50 can learn something about herself, and it may save her some trouble some day. As for me, I'm already aware of my faults, I know I cant resist a good fight or debate myself. What ppl see in themselves, they can see in others.

Also, there's also the law of karma here. Astrologer50 and I had a bit of history b4 this, some unfinished business, so to speak, and hopefully we can move forward with a better understanding of each other. I use Astrology here to clarify things, not to attack (unless of course I feel I was personally attacked first, and that was true in my case.) But it's all water under the bridge, we're all learning here.

[MaeMae]

Tuth of it is ~ 12th house Moon-ruled Cancer. You don't even see it coming. Mohammed Ali.
Big talk. Deadly walk.
In perspective, alwYs.

[twelthnight]

I dont know who you're referring to, but if it's me pointing out to astrologer50 that her Mars in 5th shows a potential for one who likes fights, I'm not attacking her thru her aspects. Before I knew that, I could already see it!

But it's ok, hopefully astrologer50 can learn something about herself, and it may save her some trouble some day. As for me, I'm already aware of my faults, I have quite a temper, and I cant resist a good fight or debate myself. What ppl see in themselves, they can see in others.

Also, there's also the law of karma here. Astrologer50 and I had a bit of history b4 this, some unfinished business, so to speak, and hopefully we can move forward with a better understanding of each other. I use Astrology is there to clarify things, not to attack.

sorry, I really was NOT refering to you. I have been on the dodgy end of rabbid astro-attack on these forums and it can be infuriating. Well, at least this is shaping up to be a proper mars fueled thread, swords swashbuckling et al!

[divine g]

sorry, I really was NOT refering to you. I have been on the dodgy end of rabbid astro-attack on these forums and it can be infuriating. Well, at least this is shaping up to be a proper mars fueled thread, swords swashbuckling et al!

lol I hear you... en garde!

[twelthnight]

Sapristi!!!!!!!!

[Love2Know]

Hugs everyone <3

[Rebel Uranian]

I say that Mars is a release of energy and nothing more. It's the first planet away from Earth (except sometimes the Moon.) Taurus likes to hold onto stuff, so Mars is not normally happy there, and Libra likes to make compromises, so Mars is not normally happy there. With Mars in Aries, energy is released into new beginnings and will not yield. With Mars in Scorpio, energy is released into the abyss of death and transformation. With Mars in Capricorn, energy is released into work, industry, and restraint. I'd like to point out that Mars is nocturnal and Venus is diurnal even though Mars is masculine/Fire and Venus is feminine/Earth.

[RaptInReverie]

A lot of people here are in denail of their "dark" traits. I embrace my abrasive and rough Mars in Gemini. My personality isn't some fluff ball, everything is sweet and nice picnic in the park.

[divine g]

Yes, embrace who you are. I think the whole outcome of this thread proved your point. Mars, as the bringer of war, certainly brought it today.

And my progressed Moon just entered Aries today, so that's why this makes it even more refreshing for me. The past 2 years my Pisces Moon had to fight alot of temptations to fight, and retreat. Another thing not discussed here is, Aries is a cardinal sign, which sets things in motion. Mars kicks off the whole Zodiac cycle. Even the word "kick" implies martial, aggressive energy, so, you're on point with your understanding of Mars. And great title for a thread.

Can you post your natal chart for us to look at?

[RaptInReverie]

Yes, embrace who you are. I think the whole outcome of this thread proved your point. Mars, as the bringer of war, certainly brought it today.

And my progressed Moon just entered Aries today, so that's why this makes it even more refreshing for me. The past 2 years my Pisces Moon had to fight alot of temptations to fight, and retreat.

Can you post your natal chart for us to look at?

Sure, hold on a sec...

[StillOne]

*Reconsiders before expressing anger* What can I say? Mars retrograde... :innocent:

[RaptInReverie]

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=770&pictureid=3798

[astrologer50]

rulerships and natal aspects are NOT the same as *Declinations* and I don't have to prove my style of responding to members you to or anyone. Do NOT make this personal, keep it astrological or moderators will probably intervene.....



Sorry but you DO have a declination aspect which operates like an opposition!! FACT

To further explain the important od Declinations/parallels try here

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=331204&postcount=25
although this matter is concerning rectification, he makes some good valid points on declinations

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27800&highlight=parallels

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36573&highlight=parallels
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41034&highlight=parallels

[StillOne]

RIR, you should consider posting a chart from astro... that one's a bit difficult to look at.

[Love2Know]

I go from fluff ball to hate kitten pretty fast ::::::::::: Then people go Ohh you are scary and I feel bad so I act nice again. Unless it's family or bf then I stay upset way too long.

[divine g]

RIR You definitely represent the intensity of your Pluto in Scorpio Generation. I think your Mars placement is actually secondary to that Pluto in the 3rd house, which lends extreme passionate and intensity to the way you communicate. This probably has a lot with what you learned and experienced in school and childhood..

I also have Pluto in my 3rd, that's why I can relate!

[RaptInReverie]

RIR, you should consider posting a chart from astro... that one's a bit difficult to look at.

Sure, hold on a sec...

[twelthnight]

Man, don't mess with Virgo right now (or for the next 9 months). Not to be triffled with!!!!!!!!!!!!!pft!
Thank you for your pov RIR...really refreshing!

[RaptInReverie]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8027/astro2gw01raptinreverie.gif

[RaptInReverie]

RIR You definitely represent the intensity of your Pluto in Scorpio Generation. I think your Mars placement is actually secondary to that Pluto in the 3rd house, which lends extreme passionate and intensity to the way you communicate. This probably has a lot with what you learned and experienced in school and childhood..

I also have Pluto in my 3rd, that's why I can relate!

Haha, let's not even get started on Pluto. Pluto is the higher octave of Mars, according to some.

[divine g]

Haha, let's not even get started on Pluto. Pluto is the higher octave of Mars, according to some.

Yeah I was just gonna add that. So it kind of echoes your Mars in Gemini, Pluto being in Mercury's 3rd house and all. I think we have very similar communication styles. Kind of intense and in your face lol. That's def Pluto in 3rd.

[RaptInReverie]

Man, don't mess with Virgo right now (or for the next 9 months). Not to be triffled with!!!!!!!!!!!!!pft!
Thank you for your pov RIR...really refreshing!

No, thank you for sharing in the fun! :)

[divine g]

Man, don't mess with Virgo right now (or for the next 9 months). Not to be triffled with!!!!!!!!!!!!!pft!
Thank you for your pov RIR...really refreshing!

Wow, just noticed Mars' long stay in Virgo til next July. I have Mars in Virgo ascending as my progressed, and yes, Virgo will be deadly accurate with their words now and pretty sharp and astute with their critiques. All Mars' energy here is directed into pointing out the small details.

RIR noticed your Mercury is retro, that may make for some frustrations in communications, and ppl understanding you, as I'm sure you can attest with this thread. It may mean it may take several attempts to get your point across, or a lot of re-writing and repeating what you have to say. But Mercury in Virgo could make for a pretty sharp mind, and tongue.

[RaptInReverie]

Yeah I was just gonna add that. So it kind of echoes your Mars in Gemini, Pluto being in Mercury's 3rd house and all. I think we have very similar communication styles. Kind of intense and in your face lol. That's def Pluto in 3rd.

Yes, we do. Care to post your chart?

[RaptInReverie]

Wow, just noticed Mars' long stay in Virgo til next July. I have Mars in Virgo ascending as my progressed, and yes, Virgo will be deadly accurate with their words now and pretty sharp and astute with their critiques. All Mars' energy here is directed into pointing out the small details.

RIR noticed your Mercury is retro, that may make for some frustrations in communications, and ppl understanding you, as I'm sure you can attest with this thread. It may mean it may take several attempts to get your point across, or a lot of re-writing and repeating what you have to say. But Mercury in Virgo could make for a pretty sharp mind, and tongue.

Dead accurate!

[StillOne]

Oh yeah Mars is a Singleton too :whistling:

[divine g]

Yes, we do. Care to post your chart?

Dont wanna make this about me, but sure. Interesting, your Mars conjuncts my Sun

24091

[Love2Know]

Everything is about you and all of us we are all connected.

[divine g]

Everything is about you and all of us we are all connected.

That's a very enlightening statement, thank you... that's an ego boost for the whole universe...And very cool avi, I like that guy

[Love2Know]

AHah yeah he is awesome, I have him on facebook and asked him if he electrocutes himself before he goes out to get ready? and he said Yes ahahahaha

[RaptInReverie]

Dont wanna make this about me, but sure. Interesting, your Mars conjuncts my Sun

24091

This is actually beneficial to the post. But, Mars in the first house sextile Pluto sounds pretty intriguing. How does that placement express with you?

[StillOne]

You both have talent triangles with Pluto as the apex in the 3rd house. I'm not exactly sure what that means but it's interesting

[LovelyMissAries]

I know I'm late in the game on this thread but I've been searching and searching for more Mars articles and couldn't resist. I have Mars in Gemini in the 12th, conj. my Gem ASC, and sextile my Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Aries in the 11th. It also makes an aspect to Pluto in Scorp in the 5th.

I'm wondering what the benefits of Mars in the 12th are. I know a lot of eventual serial killers have it but I don't feel like I have repressed rage. Maybe an excess AMOUNT but it's not repressed. I'm obvioulsy into "occult" studies, but is there a way I can make it work in my favor when standing up for myself? Or do I need to rely on the conjunction for that? I want to know how I can utilize it to the best of it's ability.

[RaptInReverie]

I know I'm late in the game on this thread but I've been searching and searching for more Mars articles and couldn't resist. I have Mars in Gemini in the 12th, conj. my Gem ASC, and sextile my Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Aries in the 11th. It also makes an aspect to Pluto in Scorp in the 5th.

I'm wondering what the benefits of Mars in the 12th are. I know a lot of eventual serial killers have it but I don't feel like I have repressed rage. Maybe an excess AMOUNT but it's not repressed. I'm obvioulsy into "occult" studies, but is there a way I can make it work in my favor when standing up for myself? Or do I need to rely on the conjunction for that? I want to know how I can utilize it to the best of it's ability.

Of course. That's what its there for.

[Love2Know]

How does my retrograde mars manifest it's self? Internal anger?

[LovelyMissAries]

Of course. That's what its there for.

I know but I've only ever heard negative things about it being in the 12th. I suppose I want to know HOW rather than if it can.

[RaptInReverie]

How does my retrograde mars manifest it's self? Internal anger?

What is the sign and house placement?

[Love2Know]

Cap 5th house

[LovelyMissAries]

Would people with Mars in the 12th have a greater advantage using Law of Attraction? As in being able to manifest their desires (opportunities, what they want, etc.) easier than most?

[divine g]

This is actually beneficial to the post. But, Mars in the first house sextile Pluto sounds pretty intriguing. How does that placement express with you?

Well, Pluto in 3rd shows my intensity in wanting to learn, also a compulsion in all forms of communication, and writing, it's like an addiction to always be learning and taking notes. Sextiling Mars in 1st, especially with Leo, it makes for a pretty good show when I get angry. It just adds that extra intensity and force to where, if you were anywhere in my neighborhood growing up, and I raised my voice, u could hear it:whistling:. It's cool, bc anger helps you set boundaries, so ppl know when not to cross the line. I think it adds an intensity and drive when I want to learn something, and I usually get the bottom of things I'm obsessed about learning (e.g. astrology). It's all about channeling that aggression of Mars, and having Pluto in 3rd sextiling it, it's manifested as having a real gift for getting my point across, especially when I'm p***ed off!:cool:

Pluto in 3rd I think also helps with communicating with ppl close to me .I like deep convos, and deep connections with a girlfriend, almost to the point where we can communicate telepathically. Honestly, I think I've had that gift without even realizing it.

Long story short, it's made me a powerful communicator. Mars and Pluto work together to really add intensity to my messages, and I guess reach the depths of the mind I'm communicating with. Also helps really penetrate to the bottom of things with insight into what Im learning.

[divine g]

Would people with Mars in the 12th have a greater advantage using Law of Attraction? As in being able to manifest their desires (opportunities, what they want, etc.) easier than most?

I've heard that more with Pluto. But you should really check your progressed chart to see where Mars is now, it may be in your 1st house now.

[Love2Know]

Hmm I think Lovely miss Aries is onto something!

[twelthnight]

Mars in first is interesting to me b/c I have only ever known people with mars conjunct the asc from the 12th house (and I've known a lot of these people). Do you ever sit down, DG?

[LovelyMissAries]

I've heard that more with Pluto. But you should really check your progressed chart to see where Mars is now, it may be in your 1st house now.

You're right - it's now progressed into Cancer in the 1st house. Cancer is even more intuitive than Gemini, no?

[RaptInReverie]

Would people with Mars in the 12th have a greater advantage using Law of Attraction? As in being able to manifest their desires (opportunities, what they want, etc.) easier than most?

Not necessarily. I think that involves many other factors.

[Love2Know]

Sometimes yeah, my anger has gotten me in lots of trouble...... I have been sent to anger therapy since I was a child till a teen. Now I have trouble expressing anger to my friends and usually opt for the go and hide from them option instead or joke about it. Also, sometimes its just hard for me to know what I really want, like one of my ex bfs dedicated the katy perry hot and cold song to me lol he had a point.

[StillOne]

I know I'm late in the game on this thread but I've been searching and searching for more Mars articles and couldn't resist. I have Mars in Gemini in the 12th, conj. my Gem ASC, and sextile my Sun, Mercury, and Venus in Aries in the 11th. It also makes an aspect to Pluto in Scorp in the 5th.

I'm wondering what the benefits of Mars in the 12th are. I know a lot of eventual serial killers have it but I don't feel like I have repressed rage. Maybe an excess AMOUNT but it's not repressed. I'm obvioulsy into "occult" studies, but is there a way I can make it work in my favor when standing up for myself? Or do I need to rely on the conjunction for that? I want to know how I can utilize it to the best of it's ability.

I think since it's cadent you have to search it out. Meditate on it and find it. It might not be as easy to express as other placements but once you locate it I'm sure it'll be available for you. That's what happened to me and my 12th house moon. It eluded me for awhile but once I found it I can experience it more now.

[LovelyMissAries]

I think since it's cadent you have to search it out. Meditate on it and find it. It might not be as easy to express as other placements but once you locate it I'm sure it'll be available for you. That's what happened to me and my 12th house moon. It eluded me for awhile but once I found it I can experience it more now.

I see the effects of it - lacking in confidence, and taking out my anger on my closest ones instead of the people who deserve it (then again it seems there's obstacles to that even being done like having to remain professional, mature, etc. I suppose I don't HAVE to but...) Talking openly about my sex life is also embarrassing to me, although sex in itself isn't. And although RIR was talking about Love2Know's Mars, I too have trouble going after what I want - relationship wise.

[RaptInReverie]

Sometimes yeah, my anger has gotten me in lots of trouble...... I have been sent to anger therapy since I was a child till a teen. Now I have trouble expressing anger to my friends and usually opt for the go and hide from them option instead or joke about it. Also, sometimes its just hard for me to know what I really want, like one of my ex bfs dedicated the katy perry hot and cold song to me lol he had a point.

You are definitely capable of regulating it so that it isn't so out of control.

[divine g]

Mars in first is interesting to me b/c I have only ever known people with mars conjunct the asc from the 12th house (and I've known a lot of these people). Do you ever sit down, DG?

Ironically, I usually am sitting down most of the time! Doing computer work, researching, reading, etc. My Mars is pretty well tempered by my Saturn, which I feel, overpowers it. Picture carrying around a big bag of lead, or a mountain on your shoulders, that's kind of what Saturn in 1st does, it really weighs you down. But just like a body-builder, carrying all that weight does make you stronger. When I am active though, I usually move pretty quickly, and I do work out quite a bit. (been slacking this month, though).

I think my avi shows Mars in 1st better than words can..I guess I may have a bit of an angry, intense expression unless I consciously choose to project a "sunnier" Leo disposition. Mars in 1st really helps in projecting a dont mess with me attitude. I've stared down guys twice my size, and for some reason, never got my butt kicked:biggrin:

[RaptInReverie]

I see the effects of it - lacking in confidence, and taking out my anger on my closest ones instead of the people who deserve it (then again it seems there's obstacles to that even being done like having to remain professional, mature, etc. I suppose I don't HAVE to but...) Talking openly about my sex life is also embarrassing to me, although sex in itself isn't. And although RIR was talking about Love2Know's Mars, I too have trouble going after what I want - relationship wise.

The 12th House is really, really hard for me to grasp. I know it's not like what it's been said to be, but I don't know for myself what it is either. It's very amorphous.

[divine g]

You're right - it's now progressed into Cancer in the 1st house. Cancer is even more intuitive than Gemini, no?

Pardon my french, but hell yeah! Gemini can be pretty clever, and fast on its feet in the dating game, and can charm the pants off people, but as a Gemini, I know I've been pretty clueless at times when it came to understanding emotions, and really feeling other people's depths of emotions.

It's taken my heart being broken to really understand why you shouldn't "go around breaking young girls' hearts." Gemini is a whiz with words, not so much emotions. It can write a great love song, and say all the right words, but won't get the feeling behind it, without a watery Cancer influence.

I will say this though, I absolutely hate when Mars transits Cancer, I think he's pretty miserable there. 12th house too. All that water just puts his fire out. His last transit thru Cancer wasn't too bad though, I guess bc I had no emotional entanglements at the time.

[twelthnight]

Ironically, I usually am sitting down most of the time! Doing computer work, researching, reading, etc. My Mars is pretty well tempered by my Saturn, which I feel, overpowers it. Picture carrying around a big bag of lead, or a mountain on your shoulders, that's kind of what Saturn in 1st does, it really weighs you down. But just like a body-builder, carrying all that weight does make you stronger. When I am active though, I usually move pretty quickly, and I do work quite a bit. (been slacking this month, though).

I think my avi shows Mars in 1st better than words can..I guess I may have a bit of an angry, intense expression unless I consciously choose to project a "sunnier" Leo disposition. Mars in 1st really helps in projecting a dont mess with me attitude. I've stared down guys twice my size, and for some reason, never got my butt kicked:biggrin:

Yes, of course. I forget at times how influential saturn can be. I have saturn moon conjunct in Leo 12th house, so while I am inherently optimistic, that optimism isn't bursting throught the clouds with high wattage, but chugging along like a tug boat out at sea working it's little **** off. Happy, though, all the same.

[RaptInReverie]

Ironically, I usually am sitting down most of the time! Doing computer work, researching, reading, etc. My Mars is pretty well tempered by my Saturn, which I feel, overpowers it. Picture carrying around a big bag of lead, or a mountain on your shoulders, that's kind of what Saturn in 1st does, it really weighs you down. But just like a body-builder, carrying all that weight does make you stronger. When I am active though, I usually move pretty quickly, and I do work quite a bit. (been slacking this month, though).

I think my avi shows Mars in 1st better than words can..I guess I may have a bit of an angry, intense expression unless I consciously choose to project a "sunnier" Leo disposition. Mars in 1st really helps in projecting a dont mess with me attitude. I've stared down guys twice my size, and for some reason, never got my butt kicked:biggrin:

You too? LOL

[StillOne]

I see the effects of it - lacking in confidence, and taking out my anger on my closest ones instead of the people who deserve it (then again it seems there's obstacles to that even being done like having to remain professional, mature, etc. I suppose I don't HAVE to but...) Talking openly about my sex life is also embarrassing to me, although sex in itself isn't. And although RIR was talking about Love2Know's Mars, I too have trouble going after what I want - relationship wise.

Of course how it's aspected has a huge influence...

[divine g]

You too? LOL

Yeah, Pluto in 3rd can do that too, Pluto is one scary mofo somtimes. I was interested in knowing how you would visualize Pluto in 3rd sextiling Mars in 1st? Im intrigued now to know why you found that "intriguing?" What kind of energy do you get from that?

I think Pluto has a fearlessness of death, an almost morbid fascination where it invites death with a welcome mat. And that makes the guy who's looking for just a Martian fight think twice..

[twelthnight]

You know, I LIKE my mars! Okay, it's in cancer (nehneh) but it is conjunct jupiter in the 11th house and trine uranus and sextile merc/asc. I am a bold lady, I go after what I want. I would be tempted to think I was toooo martian if it weren't for the fact that I don't really end up in arguments, and if I do, I tend to find my way out sharpish. I take a walk.

[StillOne]

The 12th House is really, really hard for me to grasp. I know it's not like what it's been said to be, but I don't know for myself what it is either. It's very amorphous.

I guess maybe since my Moon is in the 12th I can feel it there more readily than other planet placements there. I'm also older than you, so maybe over the years I've slowly been able to sense it and finally acknowledge it. Took a lot of introspection, some crises, breakups, etc to find it...

[StillOne]

You know, I LIKE my mars! Okay, it's in cancer (nehneh) but it is conjunct jupiter in the 11th house and trine uranus and sextile merc/asc. I am a bold lady, I go after what I want. I would be tempted to think I was toooo martian if it weren't for the fact that I don't really end up in arguments, and if I do, I tend to find my way out sharpish. I take a walk.

Interesting. I am a master diplomat. I hate arguing. I always thought it was due to my Libra Sun but now I suspect it's my Retrograde Mars at work... The reason I say this is that my Sun is conjunct Uranus so I tend not to be a Libra at all. More Aquarian.

However, my astrological signature is Libra... Lol. Who knows...

[StillOne]

I think Pluto has a fearlessness of death, an almost morbid fascination where it invites death with a welcome mat. And that makes the guy who's looking for just a Martian fight think twice..
Wow, that's pretty heavy. I wonder if MMA guys have interesting Pluto or Mars placements?

[LovelyMissAries]

The 12th House is really, really hard for me to grasp. I know it's not like what it's been said to be, but I don't know for myself what it is either. It's very amorphous.

Me too, obviously. I'm an optimistic person and it's difficult for me to believe one house can be completely miserable, bad, negative. There's a dichotomy to everything. Love2Know had a suggestion maybe I'm more connected to my subconscious, but then my subconscious wouldn't BE subconscious - would it?

[RaptInReverie]

Yeah, Pluto in 3rd can do that too, Pluto is one scary mofo somtimes. I was interested in knowing how you would visualize Pluto in 3rd sextiling Mars in 1st? Im intrigued now to know why you found that "intriguing?" What kind of energy do you get from that?

I think Pluto has a fearlessness of death, an almost morbid fascination where it invites death with a welcome mat. And that makes the guy who's looking for just a Martian fight think twice..

You described it better than I could, actually. Pluto also sees peoples' weakness and vulnerablities. It knows where to apply the fatal blow. It obsesses over things in a way that frightens people. Pluto intimidates people on a psychological level, Mars on a physical.

[LovelyMissAries]

Pardon my french, but hell yeah! Gemini can be pretty clever, and fast on its feet in the dating game, and can charm the pants off people, but as a Gemini, I know I've been pretty clueless at times when it came to understanding emotions, and really feeling other people's depths of emotions.

It's taken my heart being broken to really understand why you shouldn't "go around breaking young girls' hearts." Gemini is a whiz with words, not so much emotions. It can write a great love song, and say all the right words, but won't get the feeling behind it, without a watery Cancer influence.

I will say this though, I absolutely hate when Mars transits Cancer, I think he's pretty miserable there. 12th house too. All that water just puts his fire out. His last transit thru Cancer wasn't too bad though, I guess bc I had no emotional entanglements at the time.

I TOTALLY identify with that. It's always been hard for my to sympathize with my Scorpio friend 'cause she gets upset over little things that I'd glaze right over. And she doesn't say it but I think they upset her as much as the big things upset me. I notice lately that I'm more emotional but it has more to do with humanity as a whole rather than individual people.

So, now that we know Mars is transiting my 1st house and all what do I need to look for?

I also think my Mars in 12th has something to do with why everyone gets a special feeling of importance or potential from me. People who don't even know me tell me "You're going to do something incredible" but not in that cliche, encouraging way you'd tell someone who just needed a quick boost.

ETA: It's trine with my P. Moon... I think? in Opp. with Uranus, and square my MC...

[twelthnight]

Interesting. I am a master diplomat. I hate arguing. I always thought it was due to my Libra Sun but now I suspect it's my Retrograde Mars at work... The reason I say this is that my Sun is conjunct Uranus so I tend not to be a Libra at all. More Aquarian.

However, my astrological signature is Libra... Lol. Who knows...

My brother had mars retrograde, and he would just sort of back away, back out. Almost like that was the only thing he could do, but he would be mad later...when everyone else had calmed down, so timing wasn't good. His mars was in cancer in the 12th house as well, so pretty much everything about his mars kept him stewing.

[StillOne]

My brother had mars retrograde, and he would just sort of back away, back out. Almost like that was the only thing he could do, but he would be mad later...when everyone else had calmed down, so timing wasn't good. His mars was in cancer in the 12th house as well, so pretty much everything about his mars kept him stewing.

Yes I'll do that too... However, I'll talk my way out of it also if I can... Moon gemini and Mercury in Scorpio.

[divine g]

You described it better than I could, actually. Pluto also sees peoples' weakness and vulnerablities. It knows where to apply the fatal blow. It obsesses over things in a way that frightens people. Pluto intimidates people on a psychological level, Mars on a physical.

Nice! Now I couldn't have put that better myself. Pluto can really get in your head, that's where half the battle is. I can't say I'm that physically intimidating, but I know how to project a look like, Clint Eastwood, in Dirty Harry... "Go ahead, Make My Day"..haha.. So I think that's what I've been able to do with my Pluto/Mars, I think I've always been intimidating, even when I was the smallest kid in school. And it's kind of like PLuto itself, as small as it is, it packs quite a punch.

And yes, @Still One, MMA fighters, and everyone else in extreme sports or fields where it seems people have a "death wish" probably have a heavy Pluto, Scorpio, or 8th house.

[StillOne]

Interesting to note is that I have Pluto in Libra in the 3rd (equal house) like divine g. It's in the 4th house using most everything else and my Pluto doesn't act like that. Maybe equal house is the wrong house system for me or possibly I just don't know my Pluto yet. You'd figure 4th house would be more visible if I understand that right. Hmmm :bandit: So if I use equal house, I guess it's hidden since that's a cadent house and I just don't know it yet. Otherwise, I suppose, divine g experiences his through the linked aspect with Mars and RIR experiences his since it's in Scorpio and well aspected...

[LovelyMissAries]

Hang on, I said it's progressed into Cancer. That's different than a transit...right now Mars is ALMOST transiting my 4th house ruled by Virgo, but is still in the 3rd with Leo. T.Moon in Gemini is transiting my 1st house though.

[divine g]

I notice lately that I'm more emotional but it has more to do with humanity as a whole rather than individual people.

Wow, funny you say that, I thought I was the only one...Well said.

[RaptInReverie]

Interesting to note is that I have Pluto in Libra in the 3rd (equal house) like divine g. It's in the 4th house using most everything else and my Pluto doesn't act like that. Maybe equal house is the wrong house system for me or possibly I just don't know my Pluto yet. Hmmm :bandit: I guess it's hidden since that's a cadent house. You experience yours through your aspect with Mars. RIR experiences his since it's in Scorpio...

We were specifically discussing his Pluto sextile Mars in the 1st. I'm not sure how your Pluto fits into your chart.

[divine g]

Interesting to note is that I have Pluto in Libra in the 3rd (equal house) like divine g. It's in the 4th house using most everything else and my Pluto doesn't act like that. Maybe equal house is the wrong house system for me or possibly I just don't know my Pluto yet. You'd figure 4th house would be more visible if I understand that right. Hmmm :bandit: So if I use equal house, I guess it's hidden since that's a cadent house and I just don't know it yet. Otherwise, I suppose, divine g experiences his through the linked aspect with Mars and RIR experiences his since it's in Scorpio and well aspected...

Well the fact that you're deep into this convo as us shows a similarity. You have a penetrating mind, looking to get to the bottom of things. Libra is a pretty balanced sign though, that's what may be soothing out Pluto's more "volcanic" tendencies.

[StillOne]

Well, here's my chart. I just figured I'd post it since I'm obviously quite different...

Well, it's gotta be Saturn Square Pluto that shows my restraint. Coupled with Retro Mars...

Saturn square Pluto
Saturn square Pluto can indicate self-will and persistence to the point of ruthlessness. There is often exposure to some very difficult emotional experiences, and these may set up a defensive stance that makes the ability to forgive and forget hard to maintain. People with this aspect have the ability to perform difficult work and possess great commitment. Self-restraint can be almost obsessive at times and when motivated by a challenge, their drive and endurance is remarkable.

[StillOne]

Well the fact that you're deep into this convo as us shows a similarity. You have a penetrating mind, looking to get to the bottom of things. Libra is a pretty balanced sign though, that's what may be soothing out Pluto's more "volcanic" tendencies.

I think that's my Mercury in Scorpio... :cool:

[divine g]

Originally Posted by divine g http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/futura/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=331336#post331336)
Well the fact that you're deep into this convo as us shows a similarity. You have a penetrating mind, looking to get to the bottom of things. Libra is a pretty balanced sign though, that's what may be soothing out Pluto's more "volcanic" tendencies.
I think that's my Mercury in Scorpio... :cool:

They're both saying the same thing, so they reinforce each other. Mars in Taurus in general also takes its time, even more so when retro. Taurus is also a pretty steady sign, slow to anger..And your Libra Sun is major too, that would give you a more balanced vibe in general.

[StillOne]

They're both saying the same thing, so they reinforce each other. Mars in Taurus in general also takes its time, even more so when retro. Taurus is also a pretty steady sign, slow to anger..And your Libra Sun is major too, that would give you a more balanced vibe in general.
Very true... I also had experiences as a child where I had to really tame my anger and learn self-restraint.

[RaptInReverie]

Sorry I've seemed absent in the convo. I was inundated with PMs.

[RaptInReverie]

I want to direct the convo back to Mars’ role in balancing the other energies in the chart. I’ve found that all of the hard aspects to my Mars are the places where I am vulnerable and passive (Moon in Pisces, Venus in Leo). I believe my Mars is squaring these placements because they are not conducive to its function. Everything that squares my Mars lacks aggression, drive, and all the other attributes I’ve listed.

[Love2Know]

What squares? How about oppositions? How about sun opposition mars?

[RaptInReverie]

What squares? How about oppositions? How about sun opposition mars?

I was referring to the squares in my chart involving Mars: Mars square Moon in Pisces and Venus in Leo. Oppositions, in my understanding, indicate that two energies are pulling in opposite directions. This is not negative to me, however, because it creates equilibrium when the individual finds balance between the two.

[Love2Know]

how do you transcend your squares into power?

[RaptInReverie]

how do you transcend your squares into power?

I am avoiding a generalization and saying that it depends on the situation, and in certain cases you don't need to transcend them.

[Love2Know]

I don't understand........ ?

[RaptInReverie]

I don't understand........ ?

For example, I have Mars in Gemini in the 9th square Moon in Pisces in the 6th. I’ve already explained how my Mars comes across. My Piscean Moon gives me the ability to empathize with others. It aids me in magickal workings. It aids me in artistic endeavors. It gives me joy in serving others. It is compassionate.

I embrace those qualities just as much as I embrace my Mars in Gemini qualities, and I see no need to transcend that square.

[divine g]

I think you learn more and grow more from squares and oppositions than sextiles and trines. The harder aspects is what really makes a chart, and really makes a person, I think.

[astrologer50]

RIR You definitely represent the intensity of your Pluto in Scorpio Generation. I think your Mars placement is actually secondary to that Pluto in the 3rd house, which lends extreme passionate and intensity to the way you communicate. This probably has a lot with what you learned and experienced in school and childhood..

I also have Pluto in my 3rd, that's why I can relate!

you are correct, pluto in the house of communications is where they want *control* and will do anything to get it.

Pluto in 3rd House - cadent
· The need to communicate and the tendency to be secretive and silent (Pluto), is a contradiction in terms, yet the two qualities are combined in this placing. Can be dynamic communicators
· Strong bond with siblings or no bond at all. Feel responsible for siblings.
· Get to bottom of anything. With Pluto everything is black or white (not grey)
· Deep thinkers any kind of research. Fight own legal battles.
· Penetrating mind. Strong opinions.Original ideas, friends and partners, will help you realise them.
· You can keep information secret
· Could have scientific ability.


A lot of people here are in denail of their "dark" traits. I embrace my abrasive and rough Mars in Gemini. My personality isn't some fluff ball, everything is sweet and nice picnic in the park.

My mars in gemini is a*pussycat* and is definately not rough or abrasive....guess I must be the exception then

[astrologer50]

Yeah, so you're Mars is in 5th, you like to fight for fun. Bingo. 5th is house of pleasure, Mars is god of war, a good fight is entertainment for you. Not judging, bc that's human nature.[yes you are!] That's why boxing and sports are so big, ppl like to see a good fight. So I guess, you have a gift for starting them, so other ppl can enjoy watching. [nope, I don't *enjoy* fighting at all, I'm a passifist in real life]

(And like I said above in my first post, I didn't get to read all the responses. That's Mars again, saw a fight, and was quick to jump in. He's real rude and impatient like that :biggrin:)

absolutely NOT I hate arguing :cool: my mars in 5th is about children, love affairs (the mainstay of 5th house matters)

actually I hate even watching boxing or fighting on TV. Mars in gemini is AIR and wants to communicate, has lots of different interests.....is very versatile

[Caro]

Dhundrun post was interesting. mars in a marriage should be pitched against the others mars for long term compatibility. very interesting most of us go for opposites.
until we mature and then go for more compatibillity.

Dhundrun how about pluto? do this system look at pluto or not(im assuming not cos generallly the marriage partners picked will be a similar age I assume) so a pluto sq pluto how would that work. is what we are subcousciously discussing here a pluto in scorpio sq pluto in leo in the 7th?

RR back to you.
you say you dont understand the 12th - your sun is there. Transit - mars in virgo there for a long time now. how did previous mars in virgo transits go for you. Sun in 12th - how was things with your dad? infact your sun opp moon both sq mars - how was the dynamics of your relations with your parents? a tug of war?

your very first post focused on the sensitivity of your moon in pisces. how you need to protect this. (your words) you also say you do magic work. what kind of magic work? how grounded and protected are you when doing this work and when going about your daily activities. (moon in 6th- sun in 12th a sensitive soul - nothing wrong in that as your point out) (as well as moon in pisces I have saturn in pisces too)
how was neptunes walk into pisces for you? cos it is coming back. so you do need to be grounded and protected.

I know you think we are going off topic here.

you are right so many people can not even look at their negatives and get to grip with them. we all have the negative side of the aspects as well as the good. a complete denial is a very worrying thing. to be honest never more so that some of the spiritual people hence all the awfulness that goes on in churches - people abusing their power. but also the new age movement .

you cant do anything about 'others' but you can do something about yourself. :biggrin:
that is where real strength and courage is (mars again!)

best to you.

[RaptInReverie]

you are correct, pluto in the house of communications is where they want *control* and will do anything to get it.

Pluto in 3rd House - cadent
· The need to communicate and the tendency to be secretive and silent (Pluto), is a contradiction in terms, yet the two qualities are combined in this placing. Can be dynamic communicators
· Strong bond with siblings or no bond at all. Feel responsible for siblings.
· Get to bottom of anything. With Pluto everything is black or white (not grey)
· Deep thinkers any kind of research. Fight own legal battles.
· Penetrating mind. Strong opinions.Original ideas, friends and partners, will help you realise them.
· You can keep information secret
· Could have scientific ability.

My mars in gemini is a*pussycat* and is definately not rough or abrasive....guess I must be the exception then

No, Pluto in the 3rd does not "do anything to get control". Pluto in 3rd likes to research, penetrate, and seek answers.

And there is nothing "pussycat" about Mars. Read the mythologies of Mars, Ares, Tyr, Nergal, etc.

[RaptInReverie]

how did previous mars in virgo transits go for you. Sun in 12th

I don't keep up with transits unless preparing for ritual.

Sun in 12th - how was things with your dad?

We don't see eye to eye.

how was the dynamics of your relations with your parents? a tug of war?

Turbulent, but they are still together.

what kind of magic work?

Planetary Magick

how grounded and protected are you when doing this work and when going about your daily activities.

I do not use magick for everyday activities.

moon in 6th- sun in 12th a sensitive soul

Yes, you are correct, though just because my Sun is in the 12th doesn't mean I understand that house. I don't yet.

how was neptunes walk into pisces for you?

Great. Looking forward to it next year.

we all have the negative side of the aspects as well as the good

We also have good aspects that appear "negative".

you cant do anything about 'others' but you can do something about yourself.

Very well said.

[Love2Know]

Oh ok thanks I kinda get it a bit now thanks. I guess I have to experience this to understand better.

[Caro]

RR
some useful links in relation to your chart.....


http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse12.htm (sun in 12th house)

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookTransitsBook12.htm

Mars Transits Through Your 12th House: Mars energizes whatever it touches and this is the house of "restrictions" and "psychological problems. These could come to the surface during this transit. The best way to handle going through your 12th (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/twelthhouse.htm) house (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/twelthhouse.htm) is to stay a little more in the background. :innocent:

bobsastrologer on the matter at hand.
Mars Transits in Aspect to Your Natal Moon: The stressful aspects (conjunction, square, and opposition (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/aspects.htm)) increase the chance of arguments, especially with women.:w00t: Needless to say, your temper and your patience will probably be shorter when there is a stressful aspect from transiting Mars to your Moon. Your emotions are noticeably more active now and you will feel things more intensively.. This is true for the harmonious aspects (sextile and trine (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/aspects.htm)) as well as for the stressful ones, but, of course, the emotions are less volatile with the sextile and trine.

actually some of this(bobsatrologer) proves/confirms your point. not a favourite site of mine but oftern used a reference tool on here.

yes I agree also some of the squares can work for you too.

[RaptInReverie]

RR
some useful links in relation to your chart.....


http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarmaHouse12.htm (sun in 12th house)

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookTransitsBook12.htm

Mars Transits Through Your 12th House: Mars energizes whatever it touches and this is the house of "restrictions" and "psychological problems. These could come to the surface during this transit. The best way to handle going through your 12th (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/twelthhouse.htm) house (http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/twelthhouse.htm) is to stay a little more in the background. :innocent:


I don't agree.

[Caro]

Ok I dont necessarily agree with that statement either.
your sun and pluto could represent someone who acts on behalf of the community. ie the voice of the 12th house masses.

but there is karma with a 12th house placing, I believe.

also the aim is not to get lost in helping the masses.

[RaptInReverie]

Ok I dont necessarily agree with that statement either.
your sun and pluto could represent someone who acts on behalf of the community. ie the voice of the 12th house masses.

but there is karma with a 12th house placing, I believe.

also the aim is not to get lost in helping the masses.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. Could you please clarify?

[twelthnight]

I recently had transit mars conjunct the moon...i was prepared to be angry at some point (lol, watching transits a bit close perhaps) but what actually happened was sudden home repairs. The day the transit was exact, I had a plumber and a washing machine repairman at my house. Thought it may have been kind of a funny manifestation of the transit. Moon=home, mars=work.

[Love2Know]

I have a coworker who always seems to have some horrible marish transit going on.... like he goes to me when I was managing on my shift, "I have a headache, I cut my finger, I don't feel so good!" he is like gushing blood from his finger, then he his nose starts to bleed as he is standing there I had to like give him advil bandage him up and after I just started laughing hysterically. I was like you are not normal!!!!!!! I told him to lay off the drugs. Pisces guy, he just gives me a sad grin........

[Love2Know]

Everyone has their own style though, to each their own!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RaptInReverie]

Fitting that a thread about mars would turn into a battle ground. Astro50, can you accept that OP has a completely dfferent style and angle on astrology than you and let him get on with conducting the thread on topic so that those of us that want to learn from the discussion, can?

Not to worry, twelthnight. I will be starting a new thread soon, hopefully less controversial. I will explain a little more about my method there.

[JerryRR]

When looking at natal Mars I suggest studying the Sun/Mars Cycle.
Example
RIR 4 September 1990.
Sun/Mars conjunction 29 September 1989 at 6 Libra.

J.R.

[RaptInReverie]

When looking at natal Mars I suggest studying the Sun/Mars Cycle.
Example
RIR 4 September 1990.
Sun/Mars conjunction 29 September 1989 at 6 Libra.

J.R.

Explain more please...

[Rebel Uranian]

That sounds interesting. Please do.

[Caro]

RR

check out the DK foundation link on 12th house - it mentions karma.
I believe there are previous lives etc(that is my belief some agree - and there has been previous debates about this also on this site) 4th8th 2th house planets have a strong link with family karma. Again I have learnt this through my own reading and from listening to astrologers.

good luck with your continued studies and research.

JR I was curious too about mars cycle. I did notice that gemini was in mars for about 8 months from Sept 90. I thought that interesting just because of the pattern here.

[RaptInReverie]

RR

check out the DK foundation link on 12th house - it mentions karma.
I believe there are previous lives etc(that is my belief some agree - and there has been previous debates about this also on this site) 4th8th 2th house planets have a strong link with family karma. Again I have learnt this through my own reading and from listening to astrologers.

good luck with your continued studies and research.

JR I was curious too about mars cycle. I did notice that gemini was in mars for about 8 months from Sept 90. I thought that interesting just because of the pattern here.

Thanks. I will definitely check it out.

[JerryRR]

Caro,your SU/MA Cycle started on 29 April 1966 at 05 29 UT,in Earth,Taurus 8 27 degrees.This is on your DSC/ASC.
Natal Mars in Libra.

J.R.

[JerryRR]

Holst's Mars return on Thursday 3 Virgo.

J. :)

[JUPITERASC]

When looking at natal Mars I suggest studying the Sun/Mars Cycle.
Example
RIR 4 September 1990.
Sun/Mars conjunction 29 September 1989 at 6 Libra. J.R.
RaptInReverie - JerryRR is drawing your attention to the fact that on 29 September 1989 - approximately a year before your birth - a new Sun/Mars Cycle commenced at 06º Libra. :smile:

As seen from Earth, Sun-Mars conjunctions happen approximately once every 25 months or so, on average. At this conjunction, Earth, Mars and the Sun are all aligned, with Earth and Mars on opposite sides of the Sun. This puts Mars at its annual nominal apogee position; i.e. the portion of its orbit where the Red Planet is farthest from Earth.

The Sun/Mars conjunction following your birth occurred on 8 November 1991 at 15º Scorpio

Caro,your SU/MA Cycle started on 29 April 1966 at 05 29 UT,in Earth,Taurus 8 27 degrees.This is on your DSC/ASC.
Natal Mars in Libra.
J.R.

[Rebel Uranian]

Does this matter with all the other planets and maybe some of the points? What effect does it have?

[RaptInReverie]

RaptInReverie - JerryRR is drawing your attention to the fact that on 29 September 1989 - approximately a year before your birth - a new Sun/Mars Cycle commenced at 06º Libra. :smile:

As seen from Earth, Sun-Mars conjunctions happen approximately once every 25 months or so, on average. At this conjunction, Earth, Mars and the Sun are all aligned, with Earth and Mars on opposite sides of the Sun. This puts Mars at its annual nominal apogee position; i.e. the portion of its orbit where the Red Planet is farthest from Earth.

The Sun/Mars conjunction following your birth occurred on 8 November 1991 at 15º Scorpio

Thanks JUPITER. I'm still not sure how it would effect my natal Mars, as I wasn't even a thought at that time. haha

I don't use a lot of the methods that are being discussed here, so I am asking for more information. I'm not trying to be difficult, just trying to learn. :)

[sethi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by divine ghttp://astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/futura/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=331178#post331178)
Yeah, so you're Mars is in 5th, you like to fight for fun. Bingo. 5th is house of pleasure, Mars is god of war, a good fight is entertainment for you. Not judging, bc that's human nature.[yes you are!] That's why boxing and sports are so big, ppl like to see a good fight. So I guess, you have a gift for starting them, so other ppl can enjoy watching. [nope, I don't *enjoy* fighting at all, I'm a passifist in real life]

(And like I said above in my first post, I didn't get to read all the responses. That's Mars again, saw a fight, and was quick to jump in. He's real rude and impatient like that :biggrin:)

absolutely NOT I hate arguing :cool: my mars in 5th is about children, love affairs (the mainstay of 5th house matters)

actually I hate even watching boxing or fighting on TV. Mars in gemini is AIR and wants to communicate, has lots of different interests.....is very versatile


I don't understand. You have only taken a part of the meaning of the 5th house?
You have to take all the meaning of the 5th house. You cannot take just part of the meanings of the 5th house.

Mars in 5th does show its aggression in ALL fifth house matters, even though it may be receiving trines or sextiles . The aggression will still be there.

[sethi]

Mars, the Bringer of War: What It Means In Your Chart
By: RaptInReverie
planetary magick,


What is planetary magick, and how will it work? In fact how will magic work at all?

How will you describe it? I think it will only work on people who believe in it and not otherwise.

[Caprising]

Mars doesn't have to bring war, that would be a generalisation, Mars in Cap could be used (directed) into bringing peace if the owner of the mars had sufficient planetary placements to enable him/her to know right from wrong! What drives people to have " peaceful sit ins" like "occupy wall street".....sure there are other planets/signs involved here too, but mars is the drive that gets people moving to actually DO these things

[Caro]

Well did a little more checking dates.

1986 -8 months of mars in capricorn.
and yes 1967 - 8 months of mars in llbra.

its like these people were sent at this time - like a swarm of locusts all with the same martian energy. that is the picture i got.

quite interesting I think. and now we are to get 8 months of virgo martians!

[sethi]

My mars in CAPRICORN FOR THE WIN *Dances on your gemini mars
It like down plays my mars energy into a quiet endurance race?


Well that's right. Saturn will guide your martian energies and let you know when and when not to show your "mars"

[Caro]

The background music..

http://www.aquarianage.org/lore/holst.html

[RaptInReverie]

Mars doesn't have to bring war, that would be a generalisation, Mars in Cap could be used (directed) into bringing peace if the owner of the mars had sufficient planetary placements to enable him/her to know right from wrong! What drives people to have " peaceful sit ins" like "occupy wall street".....sure there are other planets/signs involved here too, but mars is the drive that gets people moving to actually DO these things

Mars, the Bringer of War is the title of an orchestral piece by Gustav Holst. Check Caro's link above.

Rebellion is Uranus' territory. I consider Occupy Wall Street to be a Uranus in Aries movement.

[RaptInReverie]

What is planetary magick, and how will it work? In fact how will magic work at all?

How will you describe it? I think it will only work on people who believe in it and not otherwise.

This will be the subject of my next thread. :)

[Caro]

this is an interesting link on mars cycles. Astronomy and astrology(although sidereal) worth reading all sections and also an interesting piece on venus cycles too. http://www.lunarplanner.com/HCpages/Mars2003.html

[JerryRR]

For those who have Mars retograde the SU/MA Cycle should be studied.
Example 1990.
Mars went retrograde in Gemini,trine to conjunction in Libra.
14 Gemini back to 27 Taurus.
Period 27 August 1990 to 2 March 1991.

Mars in Gemini 2011 is different.

J.R.

[kimbermoon]

divine g: I agree that mythology is important to the understanding of planetary energies...one thing I would question about the Mars in Gemini energy...I have always understood that Gemini is an air sign, thus for me the concept doesn't fit as per 'fiery intellectual debate', unless it is configured with strong fire aspects: as I have read, Gemini is more about social communications and the striving to bring opposites together: to find mental compatibility rather than create divisiveness...also, it is more about basic communication styles rather than denoting a higher intellect
which belongs to Sagittarius...

As I see it there is too much emphasis on the 'fighter' energy of Mars, when there are other considerations that it relates to also...In it's basic form it is about the 'survival instincts' and the fight or flight response thus it also represent 'self-defense' and I see a lot of that going on in the debated comments among members here...the higher lesson of Mars is to fight if you have to, but not merely because you want to...further, Mars is primarily about the motivating factor, that which triggers us to respond either positively or negatively...the sign and aspects of course will moderate the individual expression.
As I mentioned before I know individuals with Mars in Cancer, who are not openly aggressive at all; they would rather retreat into their shell than face open confrontations...the same might be said with Mars in Pisces; but before we assume that Mars in water signs are typically retreatists, we must also consider that Mars in Scorpio is indeed aggressive and self-defensive with great intensity. It follows that Mars in fire signs would be the most aggressive and combative than most others...Mars in earth signs are more practical and down to earth; Mars in Air signs are more about socialization that personal aggression...

[Caprising]

Mars, the Bringer of War is the title of an orchestral piece by Gustav Holst. Check Caro's link above.

Rebellion is Uranus' territory. I consider Occupy Wall Street to be a Uranus in Aries movement.

I'm not familiar with the orchestral piece, so can't really comment on that, the occupy wall street involves more than just the planet Uranus in Aries placement, thats why we have had protests when Uranus was in pisces, Aquarius, capricorn, scorpio etc etc. Mars is often given the title of being a malefic influence while the positive drive (among other manifestations) of this planet are largely ignored! Maybe this view of mars comes from the past when Saturn was also considered to be only malefic without any (or very many) positive manifestations!

[RaptInReverie]

New thread on planetary magick here (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=331978#post331978)!

[RockFish]

I agree with RIR about Mars, it is really an aggressive and competitive energy, I have Mars in the first h conjunct Sun, so my blood boils on a daily basis... when reading certain things on the internet, for instance. :annoyed:

[RaptInReverie]

I agree with RIR about Mars, it is really an aggressive and competitive energy, I have Mars in the first h conjunct Sun, so my blood boils on a daily basis... when reading certain things on the internet, for instance. :annoyed:

When there's twenty starving people on a deserted island and one can of tuna left, the events that follow are the product of Martian energy. Sure it can be used for good too, but its nothing like Venus and Jupiter.

[Caprising]

When there's twenty starving people on a deserted island and one can of tuna left, the events that follow are the product of Martian energy. Sure it can be used for good too, but its nothing like Venus and Jupiter.

There are many ways to use our martian energy, like making the can of tuna for instance, Mars may be the soldier but pluto/saturn are the generals who mis-use the martian energy.

[Rebel Uranian]

I thought Venus was the general i.e. Libra. I don't think mis-using Mars is the result of Mars or even Saturn or Pluto. I think it's much more complicated than that.

Gambling is the result of Venus and Jupiter energy. Drugs are the result of Jupiter and Neptune energy. I'd pick the can of tuna fight any day compared to that other stuff. What right do we have to decide which planets are good and which planets are bad? I do find that there is a certain difference in natures between the so-called malefics, benefics, and neutral planets, but they're not objectively good or bad.

[RaptInReverie]

I thought Venus was the general i.e. Libra. I don't think mis-using Mars is the result of Mars or even Saturn or Pluto. I think it's much more complicated than that.

Gambling is the result of Venus and Jupiter energy. Drugs are the result of Jupiter and Neptune energy. I'd pick the can of tuna fight any day. What right do we have to decide which planets are good and which planets are bad? I do find that there is a certain difference in natures between the so-called malefics, benefics, and neutral planets, but they're not objectively good or bad.

You've got the right idea Rebel, but unfortunately there are some here who would probably be happier letting someone else get the tuna while they cowered off to their death. :)

[Caprising]

You've got the right idea Rebel, but unfortunately there are some here who would probably be happier letting someone else get the tuna while they cowered off to their death. :)

I obviously have a different view on mars energy and it's use, to use your analogy, the pluto/saturn person is going to sit back and watch the mars folk fight over the can of tuna, then after the "winner" eats the can of tuna the pluto/saturn person will eat the "winner" thus getting the can of tuna and a feast as well!

[Lightrider]

Mars is very important in anyone's chart. I think Mars is aggressive in the sense that he likes taking action. Actually, i think Mars equals action. Without him we would be unable to initiate anything. We would be machines, which do not act, but react. I don't think Mars is inherently violent or warlike, though. The way his aggressiveness will be expressed depends on the sign and house he is in.

Mars is the second most dominant planet in my chart. One day my best friend asked me what was my aim in life. I answered: "Fight". That's why i find it so fitting that my MC is in Aries. My friend was puzzled by my answer, because i don't look like a very aggressive person. In fact, i'm very passive most of the time. That's due to the placements of my other planets. Moreover, Mars (even if very powerful) it's not the most dominant planet in my chart. That title belongs "Father Time" Saturn.

Mars and Saturn don't get along too well. Mars means action and impulse, whereas Saturn is all about limitations. Even though my Saturn and Mars are conjunct each other, there are days when i feel like i'm the KING of frustration. There are times i think i could be doing something else, i don't know. There are many things i regret NOT doing, i regret not taking action. But there's a good side to this: there are very few things i regret doing in my life.

[Rebel Uranian]

Isn't not doing something doing something because it is doing the absence of something?

Edit: Also, Saturn is totally underrated. I'm not trying to change the topic. It's just a fact. Saturn rules Aquarius. I tried (mentally) making a table of essential dignities with Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto wherever they would follow the rules by the nature of the planets and assumed Uranus and Pluto were malefics and Neptune was a benefic and it worked all right until I got to faces. Faces are so simple the only evidence I could have that they need to be changed is if I could sort through tons of data and show it that way. Up to that point, the only sign rulership that I could change was Aquarius to Uranus (which doesn't even make that much sense but it works) and somewhat, but not really, Pisces to Neptune. Pluto was more likely ruler of Aries than any other sign except possibly Aquarius, including Scorpio.

[RaptInReverie]

New thread on planetary magick here (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=331978#post331978)!

[kimbermoon]

Mars is very important in anyone's chart. I think Mars is aggressive in the sense that he likes taking action. Actually, i think Mars equals action. Without him we would be unable to initiate anything. We would be machines, which do not act, but react. I don't think Mars is inherently violent or warlike, though. The way his aggressiveness will be expressed depends on the sign and house he is in.

excellent post!

[Lightrider]

Isn't not doing something doing something because it is doing the absence of something?

If you are aware there's something (or better yet, if you know what is that "something") you are not doing, then i guess yes. Otherwise there's not an absence of "something" to you. That is until you eventually become aware that there's something you didn't do. Now how can you not be aware? By being busy doing "something else". And yes, i know that's what we call doing something and this way one could conclude people are always "moving" and doing things even if they are not aware of it.

But my point was there are things you want to do in the moment, and there are also things you realize you should have/wanted to do. Being aware of those things i didn't do makes me feel regret. I think things would probably be different if i tried at least. Those thoughts pop into my head whenever i feel things don't feel right. But then there's another voice in my head which says things are totally alright and if i try to change them it will be just for the worst.

Right now i think it's the time to go out there and see what happens. I want a radical change as quickly as possible. I really want to, yet i'm so afraid :sad:

[Rebel Uranian]

It's probably a prompt from transiting Uranus. I noticed a lot of people with big cardinal emphasis who are getting all the squares and oppositions and conjunctions right now saying things like that. Don't try until it's been a while and things haven't happened. Things will happen on their own.

[JerryRR]

The Dalai lama :happy: has Mars in Libra,Sun in Cancer applying square.

J.R.

[dico]

When is the SU/MA Cycle for this chart?
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/skillcoilistaken/chart.jpg

What is a SU/MA cycle? Google is not very helpful...

I wondered what you guys think the relationship of Mars and physical ability or vitality is?

[divine g]

@kimbermoon, in response to u saying mars in gemini wouldn't be fiery, i humbly beg to differ! Fire needs air to burn right? So with the air sign of gemini, it certainly will burn bright, but probably not as uncontrollably as a Mars in a fire sign, you're right about that.

I am a Gemini with Mars in Leo, and depending on how contained I am at the moment, I have a great ability to transmit Mars' fire thru Gemini's cool air, which seems to make Mars' pure fiery energy stand out even more. When Mars is in a fire sign, it can just become a big mess of emotions, but in an air sign, u can really get its purity, its anger and frustration a bit more clearly. The fire is in the words themselves. It's like a cool fire, but fiery nonetheless.

And I must give an example of a friend of mine who was an Aries. Very competitive, would always get into bar fights. I mean, even when he would get his butt kicked pretty bad, he would still go back. One beating was so bad he almost lost sight in his eye. He was a true warrior, Martian archetype. As much as he liked to fight, he was one of my best friends, we never had a problem, we hit it off right away!

Aries rules my MC as well, and I met him online, and he taught me a lot of tricks to get ahead, marketing wise. He was a real do it yourself kind of guy. My point is though, being ruled by Mars, the god of war, he would fight sometimes for no reason, other than that he was drunk. He could get real belligerent. Mars is the god of war, and at his base level, yes he is a bully, a brute, a bad boy, and just an all-around ***hole, unless he recognizes some of his qualities in you. So again, pure Martian energy is aggressive, very aggressive, on a physical kick your butt level, esp if it's about survival and getting ahead.

I haven't heard from my Aries friend in a couple of years(he lived in the UK), and I only knew him thru online networking. Sadly, knowing his temperament, I expect that the worst has happened, but he was still a great guy with me and those close to him. Im a Gemini, so that's probably why we got along so well. I think a Male Aries with a prominent Mars would be the best living example of what pure Mars energy is.

[Caro]

there is a link on the previous page of this thread with sun/moon cycles.

The Dalai Lama - is that his chart as in the vedic version?
what I like about him is he admits to be very angry when he grew up(particularly with his mother). and angry when Tibet was invaded. He admits to human emotions. you dont have to live in anger but at least acknowledge it is there.

RR - is your mercury in virgo on 15 degrees - cos that is supposed to be exalted or something has anyone else noted that?

[RaptInReverie]

there is a link on the previous page of this thread with sun/moon cycles.

The Dalai Lama - is that his chart as in the vedic version?
what I like about him is he admits to be very angry when he grew up(particularly with his mother). and angry when Tibet was invaded. He admits to human emotions. you dont have to live in anger but at least acknowledge it is there.

RR - is your mercury in virgo on 15 degrees - cos that is supposed to be exalted or something has anyone else noted that?

It is in 18 degrees Virgo.

[twelthnight]

It is in 18 degrees Virgo.

18 degrees Virgo...the degree of my Sun.

[RaptInReverie]

18 degrees Virgo...the degree of my Sun.

Cool! This is Capricorn's decanate....serious, ambitious, and responsible.

[twelthnight]

Cool! This is Capricorn's decanate....serious, ambitious, and responsible.

I am a bit that way...don't you have something at 16 degrees leo, too? That's my venus. Anyway, carry on (no derailing here :wink:).

[RaptInReverie]

I am a bit that way...don't you have something at 16 degrees leo, too? That's my venus. Anyway, carry on (no derailing here :wink:).

You're not derailing. This thread is open to all conversation. :)

I have Jupiter 3 deg Leo and Venus 26 deg Leo (Aries' decanate). It's interesting because all my relationships have been with Aries' despite the fact that Arians and Virgoans aren't really compatible.

[twelthnight]

You're not derailing. This thread is open to all conversation. :)

I have Jupiter 3 deg Leo and Venus 26 deg Leo (Aries' decanate). It's interesting because of my relationships with Aries' despite the fact that Arians and Virgoans aren't really compatible.

Oh, yes, it's my saturn/moon conjunct at 25/26 leo that shares the degree with your venus. I think that's a powerful degree (or two) of Leo. Yes, I always have very good relationships with Gemini and Libra as well, regardless of trad compatability...

[RaptInReverie]

Oh, yes, it's my saturn/moon conjunct at 25/26 leo that shares the degree with your venus. I think that's a powerful degree (or two) of Leo. Yes, I always have very good relationships with Gemini and Libra as well, regardless of trad compatability...

I agree. What is moon in Leo like? Would you say it is similar to Venus in Leo?

[twelthnight]

I agree. What is moon in Leo like? Would you say it is similar to Venus in Leo?

In my case, moon in Leo makes a huge difference in my chart. It is a bold moon, and whenever my Virgo influence is afriad of taking action and immobilised by worry, my moon just sweeps it aside and walks right into whatever it is I'm scared of, refusing to be cowed. I would have to say it's at the heart of most of what i've done in life...living in so many countries, following my heart, starting a business, divorcing my unstable husband, the list goes on and on...that moon makes my life interesting. And in regards to love, I do think it is very like venus in leo, very playful, very loving, and terribly VAIN. :biggrin:

[Anachiel]

Mars, the Bringer of War: What It Means In Your Chart
By: RaptInReverie

...
To put this into better perspective, I will use myself as an example: My Moon is in Pisces--a rather sensitive and delicate placement. Without my Mars in Gemini, I would be a lamb headed for slaughter everyday when I left the house. I NEED that warlike aggression to protect my delicate Piscean Moon, otherwise I’d be victimized my whole life. When we sugarcoat and suppress our Martian tendencies, we become unbalanced. Even in “harmonious” aspects our Mars must serve to preserve our beauty and delicacy. Roses have thorns; Natal charts have Mars’.


...

Interesting thread. and your comment reminded me of something. It's called Priming. Some people call it Selective Priming or Positive Priming. It goes by many names. Basically, by choosing to focus on a specific thing (or energy), we increase the likelihood of encountering that thing or developing that trait or energy.

Of course, as mentioned, all the planets are functioning in your chart all the time. They are all balanced and needed and they each have their own energy unique to them. Blended into the whole, it is harder to distinguish one over another just as after adding all the spices to a soup, it is harder to detect one spice over another as they all compliment each other.

So, it also appears that in the psychological model of astrology, people tend to focus on one planet (aspect or combination) in their chart, more than another, at different times of their lives, to balance out the experiences internally with events externally.

Similarly, some people will identify with one planet over another in order to balance out a perceived lack or excess or, to negate a perceived negative experience or enhance a perceived positive experience.

The result of this determination process is what colours the planets and aspects for most people as being positive or negative. Some people like Mars; it is useful, strong, protective, encouraging, direct. Other people interpret these traits as negative. The reality is Mars has not changed, only the perception of Mars has. This is similar to how one person can be inspired by lightning and another will hide from it in the closet. The nature of lightning has not changed, however.

In essence, to some people the planets/aspects/etc. are mirrors, reflecting their changing values and beliefs, needs and strengths. To others, these remain more archetypal and perennial aspects of a larger picture, of which, we are a microcosm.

Blessings,

Anachiel

[RaptInReverie]

In my case, moon in Leo makes a huge difference in my chart. It is a bold moon, and whenever my Virgo influence is afriad of taking action and immobilised by worry, my moon just sweeps it aside and walks right into whatever it is I'm scared of, refusing to be cowed. I would have to say it's at the heart of most of what i've done in life...living in so many countries, following my heart, starting a business, divorcing my unstable husband, the list goes on and on...that moon makes my life interesting. And in regards to love, I do think it is very like venus in leo, very playful, very loving, and terribly VAIN. :biggrin:

Lol!!! Moon or Venus in Leo definitely serves well to balance out a humble and passive Virgo.

[RaptInReverie]

The result of this determination process is what colours the planets and aspects for most people as being positive or negative. Some people like Mars; it is useful, strong, protective, encouraging, direct. Other people interpret these traits as negative. The reality is Mars has not changed, only the perception of Mars has. This is similar to how one person can be inspired by lightning and another will hide from it in the closet. The nature of lightning has not changed, however.

In essence, to some people the planets/aspects/etc. are mirrors, reflecting their changing values and beliefs, needs and strengths. To others, these remain more archetypal and perennial aspects of a larger picture, of which, we are a microcosm.

Blessings,

Anachiel

Very well said, Anachiel. :)

[JUPITERASC]

What is a SU/MA cycle? Google is not very helpful...
SU/MA cycle aka Sun-Mars conjunction recurrence:smile:
As seen from Earth, Sun-Mars conjunctions happen approximately once every 25 months or so, on average. At this conjunction, Earth, Mars and the Sun are all aligned, with Earth and Mars on opposite sides of the Sun. This puts Mars at its annual nominal apogee position; i.e. the portion of its orbit where the Red Planet is farthest from Earth.

[dico]

You're not derailing. This thread is open to all conversation. :)

I have Jupiter 3 deg Leo and Venus 26 deg Leo (Aries' decanate). It's interesting because all my relationships have been with Aries' despite the fact that Arians and Virgoans aren't really compatible.

I have Virgo Venus (10 degrees) and almost no fire or air in my chart as far as placements go, yet I make great friends with Aries women in particular. Go figure that.

[dico]

SU/MA cycle aka Sun-Mars conjunction recurrence:smile:

How does Mars retrograde come into this? I suppose that was my specific question. Sorry to be so confused!

[JUPITERASC]

How does Mars retrograde come into this? I suppose that was my specific question. Sorry to be so confused!
Some guidance from http://cafeastrology.com/transits_marsretrograde.html :smile:
Mars Stations Retrograde and Direct - Transits to the Houses

What house(s) in your natal chart is Mars transiting when it is Stationing? Note the degree at which Mars turns Retrograde and find where that degree is found, by house, in your natal chart, then read the interpretation for Mars Stationary Retrograde. Then note the degree at which Mars then turns Direct and find that point in your natal chart (it's likely to be in the same house or an adjacent one), and read the interpretation for Mars Stationary Direct.

[RaptInReverie]

I have Virgo Venus (10 degrees) and almost no fire or air in my chart as far as placements go, yet I make great friends with Aries women in particular. Go figure that.

Really? What houses are the fire signs in on your chart?

[dico]

Some guidance from http://cafeastrology.com/transits_marsretrograde.html :smile:
Mars Stations Retrograde and Direct - Transits to the Houses

What house(s) in your natal chart is Mars transiting when it is Stationing? Note the degree at which Mars turns Retrograde and find where that degree is found, by house, in your natal chart, then read the interpretation for Mars Stationary Retrograde. Then note the degree at which Mars then turns Direct and find that point in your natal chart (it's likely to be in the same house or an adjacent one), and read the interpretation for Mars Stationary Direct.





Oh, you're talking about transits! I thought JR meant natal retrograde. Thank you.

Just thought, Anachiel's comment about the perception of Mars is true in another way. If you take the difference between Aries and Mars, the mythological figures, Aries was a brute and Mars was honorable (and the "honorable Mars" archetype is the mighty image given in the original post). I think that change in perception over history of what war was, and changing beliefs of right action and wrong action, still fuels the debate on whether Mars is a malefic planet. I haven't read all 10 pages, so perhaps this has already been brought up...

I like to think that Mars is actually like momentum (to make a physics analogy). It is the character of movement, benign or otherwise. From wikipedia: "Mōmentum was not merely the motion, which was mōtus, but was the power residing in a moving object, captured by today's mathematical definitions." To me Mars is like the impetus to action. What sort of impetus results in action is shown through the placement of Mars. "What sets your Mars off?" so to speak.

[dico]

Really? What houses are the fire signs in on your chart?

4th, 7th and 11th houses by Placidus. Well, that might explain some of it. Aries is the 11th.

[JUPITERASC]

Oh, you're talking about transits! I thought JR meant natal retrograde. Thank you..
I thought you meant Mars Retrograde in general terms - but were you referring to this comment?
For those who have Mars retograde the SU/MA Cycle should be studied.
Example 1990.
Mars went retrograde in Gemini,trine to conjunction in Libra.
14 Gemini back to 27 Taurus.
Period 27 August 1990 to 2 March 1991.

Mars in Gemini 2011 is different. J.R.
If so, then perhaps JerryRR shall elucidate after reading your comments

Just thought, Anachiel's comment about the perception of Mars is true in another way. If you take the difference between Aries and Mars, the mythological figures, Aries was a brute and Mars was honorable (and the "honorable Mars" archetype is the mighty image given in the original post). I think that change in perception over history of what war was, and changing beliefs of right action and wrong action, still fuels the debate on whether Mars is a malefic planet. I haven't read all 10 pages, so perhaps this has already been brought up...

I like to think that Mars is actually like momentum (to make a physics analogy). It is the character of movement, benign or otherwise. From wikipedia: "Mōmentum was not merely the motion, which was mōtus, but was the power residing in a moving object, captured by today's mathematical definitions." To me Mars is like the impetus to action. What sort of impetus results in action is shown through the placement of Mars. "What sets your Mars off?" so to speak.
We are fortunate that almost two thousand years ago, practicing astrologer Vettius Valens faithfully recorded the indications of Mars according to astrologers from previous centuries and we are also fortunate that some of those notes survived the vicissitudes of time - and fortunate that there is a free translation available online :smile:

Mars indicates force, wars, plunderings, screams, violence, whoring, the loss of property, banishment, exile, alienation from parents, capture, the deaths of wives, abortions, love affairs, marriages, the loss of goods, lies, vain hopes, strong-armed robbery, banditry, looting, quarrels among friends, anger, fighting, verbal abuse, hatreds, lawsuits. Mars brings violent murders, slashings and bloodshed, attacks of fever, ulceration, boils, burns, chains, torture, masculinity, false oaths, wandering, embassies under difficult circumstances, actions involving fire or iron, craftwork, masonry. In addition Mars causes commands, campaigns and leadership, infantrymen, governorships, hunting, wild game, falls from heights or from animals, weak vision, strokes. Of the body parts, Mars rules the head, the seat, the genitals; of the internal parts, it rules the blood, the sperm ducts, the bile, the elimination of excrement, the parts in the rear, the back, and the underside. It controls the hard and the abrupt. Of materials, it rules iron, decoration of clothing (because of Aries), as well as wine and beans. It is of the night sect, red in color and acid in taste source: http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius%20Valens%20entire.pdf

[dico]

We are fortunate that almost two thousand years ago, practicing astrologer Vettius Valens faithfully recorded the indications of Mars according to astrologers from previous centuries and we are also fortunate that some of those notes survived the vicissitudes of time - and fortunate that there is a free translation available online :smile:



Brute!! Back when astrology wasn't so touchy-feely and politically correct. :bandit:

This was before Pluto was deemed the ruler of Scorpio. That is something else to consider for what Mars represents. Hmm...

[Quixotic]

I have mars in sagittarius, and I assume thats what gives me such a firey temper; it flares extremely fast, but passes just as quickly. It is explosive, however.
:whistling:

[hypnotiqu3]

First off, great post Rapt. Interesting, well written and chock full of great ideas.

Personally, I've always viewed Mars as the physical energies behind our nature. HOW we assert ourselves and the motives, the drives, etc. that is put behind our ACTION.

Yes, Mars is absolutely a planet that bestows the physical energy we ned to move and make Be.

Secondly, (and I'm not taking sides or trying to be judgemental here - I will leave that for the scales-clad folk) both you and A50 have major highlights in what Mars represents. Remember, when dealing with matters of metaphysics, it's hardly ever black and white - meaning its hard to dispute "right" and "wrong" when trying to decipher theories and matters that have existed lonnnnnng before our inceptions.

Referring to Einstein's Law of Relativity, when everything is relative to another, it's only fair to utilize BOTH of your very acceptable viewpoints during this discussion.

Love and Light,

-Stefanie

P.S. I'm looking forward to checking out you magickal forum posts, too.

[Love2Know]

Quixotic it's also a fire moon thing! Yeah I agree all ppoints are relevant to some degree.

[divine g]

Yeah Aries Moon is an epic hothead...Leo Moon flares up easy as well, but something about can be entertaining sometimes...

Im Mars in Leo, I can make a pretty big scene

[twelthnight]

Yeah Aries Moon is an epic hothead...Leo Moon flares up easy as well, but something about can be entertaining sometimes...

Im Mars in Leo, I can make a pretty big scene

Ha, ha! I have Leo moon and I always manage to make people laugh when I'm angry!

Well, if they know me pretty well, anyway. I think it's because with all my Virgo I am usually super rational and reasonable. But when that Leo moon comes stomping out it's really kind of incongruously charming. That's what my bf says about it, anyway.

[Love2Know]

Lol twelth same here, I am all bark no bite. Plus cap mars cancer sun... Usually chills me out. I get mad for 2 seconds. As a kid I would get mean I grew out of it.

[Rebel Uranian]

Sun - guiding light
Moon - following light
Mercury - exchanges
Venus - reaction
Mars - action
Jupiter - expansion
Saturn - contraction
Uranus - exchanges (higher octave)
Neptune - reaction (higher octave)
Pluto - action (higher octave)

That's how I see the fundamental planetary energies (as opposed to the results of those energies.) Notice that all except Mercury and Uranus have yin/yang pairs. I consider Mercury to be thrown in with Venus and Mars, and the Merc/Venus/Mars "pair" along with the pair of lights is popularly considered the "personal planets" group. I noticed that there is a lot of -action and similar on my list. I bet I could get them all to end with -action except maybe the Sun and Moon. I don't consider the Sun and Moon to act but rather to be. The other planets act.

[kimbermoon]

I'm not keen on discussing generalities and cookbooks like this I prefer specifics, charts. Like I've said many times here, what is the point in just discussing one aspect of a persons chart as we are ALL multi faceted human beings, and that's how it should be.
...

I think it is helpful to sometimes focus on one planetary aspect to see the various ways in which a particular planet is expressed through the individual...after all RIR did initiate this thread for that specific purpose...We could all benefit by offering more personal experiences to expand the generalization of how the energies work. It is because Mars is attached to anger issues, which many individuals struggle with, that further investigation is indeed necessary, but it does no harm to know the basic underlying expression of a given planet in a sign...otherwise why is this concept repeteadly emphasized when first learning about the subject?
My daughter has Mars in Cancer in the 12th [emotional repression] which is also configured in a number of significant aspects. Now typically you might think that Mars in Cancer would not express a tendency to be aggressive or overtly angry because of their own sensitivites, and yet she has typically been quite explosive at times because she bottles up her feelings until they reach a max, and then she blows off like a geyser [water] at the slightest hint of controversy. Again she has had problems expressing her emotions for the most part but has gradually learned how to gain greater control as she matures, which is what Moon in Aries is typically about.


I think that in part this is due to the fact that Mars and the Moon in Aries are in mutual reception. This would help to resolve the passive-aggressive tendencies in time, as I am seeing now. Now I might add that in this forum, even when the chart is displayed, the querent is often directed to various outside resources to discover for themselves the various chart factors, but again these computer read-outs seldom take the entire chart as a whole but separates them into distinct, albeit vague, interpretations. Of course we must consider the placement and aspects to determine the greater clarity of why the planet very often does not fit with the typical interpretations...
Example: Robert Hand has this to say about Mars in Cancer in the chart:
“When you are feeling positive and cheerful, you act confidently and assertively. But when you are depressed, you are more retiring and much more irritable.” Still he does not go on to advise how the aspects will alter the pure [archetypal] expression of Mars: he does not go on to explain about the fact that Mars is involved in a t-square configuration with Moon/Jupiter in the 10th opposed by Pluto and Venus in the 4th. These are some very heavy complexities that add to the picture.
In her own past my daughter has always suffered from insecurity and self-defeatist tendencies, thus she seldom has expressed herself as being overly cheerful or confident; in fact she has always been quite dour, self-defensive and emotionally repressed. Then we must consider why the more positive expression seldom shines through; obviously because of the t-square influences. Robert Hand also suggests: Sometimes this position of Mars indicates difficulties and disagreements with your family. Don't most people experience this at times?

He goes on to state: “the possibility that it is likely that anything concerning your family, your family background and heritage inspires in you feelings of great loyalty.” Much too vague for the novice to get much out of it. In this case, because of the afflicting aspects, the familial dissension has always been problematic and at times her own indiscretions have caused her to be very disloyal to the family. Venus and Pluto in the 4th seem to be a testament to that.
I guess I am straddling two issues here: one is that I think it is good for people on the forum to be sharing their personal experiences of their own version of expressing any given planet in any given sign...as such we can then offer expanded explanations about the why and how the modifications come into effect...
secondly, while it is important to be able to view the chart, we can still talk about selective factors so that a basis of understanding can be initiated. Through the aspects we can determine whether the energy of the planet will be supported or challenged for the individual.

[fullmoonlibra]

It is said that Mars is exalted in Capricorn, but I still don't like this position. It's maybe nice that it blocks my anger, but I don't like it when it also blocks my energy and actions.

[Rebel Uranian]

You have to look at your whole chart to see how your Mars is working (or not working) for you. I don't think fear is a bad thing. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying it's not bad. I think fear is the blocker of both your anger and actions. Learn what you're afraid of and manipulate it. That's what I have to do to myself to make myself do anything right. Blow me off if you think I'm a bad influence for saying this.

[Zonark]

I have Mars in Taurus. I am very bullheaded in action, always the last one to give up on any sort of project, pushing myself well beyond most others, only at a much slower pace usually. People who are more quick in action usually complain that I'm not pulling my own weight, or am moving too slowly but I'm usually still working hours after they're long gone.

I tend to exert myself very slowly and patiently unless something pisses me off or really excites me. If that happens my actions can be sudden and somewhat reckless. In my youth I had a bit of an anger problem, the expressions 'seeing red' and 'mad as a bull' being quite fitting to describe specific incidents. Angry outbursts are always memorable events from Mars in Taurus. If someone upsets me, I tend to stew in my anger, letting little upsets from all directions pile up until suddenly it becomes too much and I end up emotionally goring someone. I've worked very hard to overcome this tendency and to express my anger in more healthy and productive outlets, as the person on the receiving end of such outbursts usually doesn't deserve half of it. Taurus Martians do not get angry often, but when they do it's like a volcanic eruption.

The tendency for Mars in Taurus to charge like a bull has to come from a place of primal aggression that explodes forward in response to someone pushing me past my limit of emotional patience and I am a very, very patient person (often too patient :whistling:). I'm always the last one to show anger, usually the only one left working with someone who has pissed off everyone else but God help them if they push me too far.

Anyone whose taken a martial arts class quickly discovers quite a bit about their Martian energy. For me, I discovered that I am not a very quick fighter, but despite being somewhat wiry and skinny looking (Capricorn ascendant and Saturn chart ruler, I look very Saturnalian) I have exceptional endurance and can throw a strong punch. I'd get into fights sometimes when I was younger and instead of trying to dodge punches I'd just let the other guy hit me while I prepared to 'charge' and knock them off base with one well placed whomp. A lot of astrologers say this aspect produces a malefic physical influence, but one definite positive aspect of it is if Mars in Taurus needs to defend themselves, they won't go down easily.

[Zonark]

Mars also rules the physical aspects of sex, part of sex being physical exertion and all. Mars in Taurus is very sensual and earthy. Out of all the aspects, Taurus usually has the most stamina. The only woman I've ever been with was actually a bit put off by this, she'd usually get worn out very quickly while I wanted to keep going. I hope my next relationship is with someone who likes to spend a lot of time in bed :love:

[RaptInReverie]

Thanks Zonark,

I enjoyed your run-down on the Mars in Taurus placement. It agrees with what I've been told by others with the same placement. Does the transiting Moon set you off when it is conjunct your natal Mars in Taurus or when it is opposing it in Scorpio?

[Zonark]

Thanks Zonark,

I enjoyed your run-down on the Mars in Taurus placement. It agrees with what I've been told by others with the same placement. Does the transiting Moon set you off when it is conjunct your natal Mars in Taurus or when it is opposing it in Scorpio?

The Moon's transits do have a definite effect on my temper and my energy levels. I do not know much about transits right now though, could you be more specific as to what those things are?

As I'm still a bit new to astrological study I've been focusing almost exclusively on understanding the natal chart so I know almost nothing about transits. Now is as good a time as any to understand them though.

[sequestra]

Ugh my mars is impotent in pisces. Just lucky I wasn't born male I guess. It's pretty ineffectual; I mean I can hold my own weight in an argument if I must, but I'm loath to do it. In the past I've bitten hard when my anger has been provoked extensively enough, but I always deeply regret causing hurt once it's afflicted... So it's best to be avoided. I think the greatest gift of mars in pisces is probably the ability to duck and weave (and to disappear into nebulousness). Mine is also conjunct that venus in pisces which I think reroutes a lot of its vitality.

PS This is an awesome thread btw, I've thoroughly enjoyed perusing it! Good going RIR!