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Mikey279x
12-31-2006, 11:04 PM
Recently I have come to terms with my sexuality and am in the closet. I usually work past the lonlyness quickly when I go out and meet friends and large groups Parties etc. but lately I've been focusing on love and meeting a partner and the depression has been getting the better of me to the point where there are periods of tempary isolation.

I have a close friend who I believe is a closted homosexusal. I generally detest probing someones mind, espically with the relization the number of gays out there are few, however for the past 1 1/2 I've been having certin hunches about one of my best friends. Straight males obviously make remarks about sexusal relations bewteen friends etc. But with him I feel there is something differnet. He is a close friend of mine, and many people tease him for his insecurities in a playfull way, espically at work, but I know he secretly feels bad about himself but doesn't usally say anything, he usually laughs it off but I know he doesn't like being poked fun even though people assume he knows they are kidding. for the past 1 1/2 months I've gotten to know him on a deeper level and and there are some things that flash my mind that are out of the ordianry.

we constantly mention we love each other, both at work while kidding as well as outside of work, however recently the joking has seemed more serious as if there is more to meet the eye, I've never experienced hunches like these before.

His father is the sterotypical mean mechanic who is the epitomy of a rough dad. I know he suffered from his father criticism growing up and felt as if he didn't live up to being the model man his father had hoped of in a sun.

I've fallen in love with him at this point and recently we attented a Christmas gathering at his cousins house (his Cousin is a best friend of us both) and he often exerts somewhat of a manly presence over him that makes him apt to feel as if he has to live up to the male standard and not express how he feels inside.

Every time him and I are alone we start making comments about how much we love each other, it ususally starts out kidding at first but now he sometimes refers to joking about promiscuous activtes bewteen him and I, and the seriousness over the joking.

He is not effimante but his presence in a room full of men gives off that he is not the man like everyone else..

I've lost my job about a week ago where I worked with him and all my other best friends and I went into a brief period of depression. and he was the first on the phone telling me he loved me and that I wa shis best friend

He is 21 and has had barely two girlfriends, both were mormon girls, the first one he broke up with and the second lasted 3 months..he's never engaged in any sexusal activity with them and it seems as if he is not intrested in women at all.. even when women call him up on his phone he decline meeting with them and doesn't even take pleasure in flirting..

he's rather attractive as well, so attractive that women have met him and asked him for his phone numer in public

If I didn't feel he was gay I would forget my love for him and move on, But I truly feel in my heart that he is indeed gay.

I'm growing more depressed daily because I cannot find a partner and I would thank anyone from the bottom of my heart twho could help in anyway analize our birthcharts.. his and mine.. and provide me with any answers..

Here is his birthchart
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Arian Maverick
01-01-2007, 12:41 AM
The first thing I noticed about the chart you provided was the powerful opposition between the Taurus Moon-North Node conjunction and Scorpio Pluto-Sun-South Node conjunction, which are both square Jupiter in Aquarius. However, since this is a hypothetical chart, the exact degree of the Moon is variable and may or may not be within orb of the North Node.

I will look at the sabian symbols of this chart, but I believe a horary chart may be more suitable for this type of question, since it is debatable if one's sexuality appears in a natal chart. Also, although I could create and upload a synastry chart between your natal chart and Jake's, I don't believe this alone can determine if he is attracted to you even if some powerful aspects are present.

Sun:

216__(6°)
CALIFORNIAN HILLS: THE "GOLD RUSH" SHATTERS THEIR PEACE The passionate quest for universal values, destructive of cultural ease of living. Leaping to opportunity. Avid seeking.
___*When positive, the degree is instinctive self-dedication to the unseen potentials of everyday existence, and when negative, a lack of practical discrimination and an irresistible desire for easy money.

Pluto:

215__(5°)
A MASSIVE ROCKY SHORE UNCHANGED BY CENTURIES OF STORMS Revelation of absolutely stable elements in all life. Strong confidence born of fundamental perception; or spiritual inertia.
___*When positive, the degree is a poised spirit and a firmness of personality which enable every individual to prepare himself and his fellows for any possible contingency, and when negative, blind stubbornness or unreasoning conservatism

South Node:

220__(10°)
A FELLOWSHIP SUPPER REAWAKENS UNFORGETTABLE INNER TIES Companionship rooted in past performance. Group-personality emergence. Fraternity of ideals uplifting individual efforts.
___*When positive, the degree is an effective channelling of personal aspirations into the commonplace grooves of a shared experience, and when negative, a surrender of individual distinction and exaltation of naive animality.

North Node:

40__(10°)
A PRETTY RED CROSS NURSE HURRIES ON AN ERRAND OF MERCY Natural, unrestrained pouring of self in service to one's fellowmen. Self-expression through compassionate understanding.
___*When positive, the degree is a complete dedication of the self to the worth-while and enduring projects through which it can lose all sense of separativeness, and when negative, a superficial pretense of humanitarianism in order to gain transient importance.

Jupiter:

309__(9°)
IN MEDITATION, A FLAG IS SEEN, WHICH CHANGES INTO A EAGLE Process of spiritual realization as it progresses from outer to inner standards. Rebirth, or rebellion against drudgery.
___*When positive, the degree is accomplishment through utter self-dedication, and when negative, vindictive pride.

Opposite Point of T-Square:

129__(9°)
GLASS-BLOWERS SHAPE WITH THEIR BREATH GLOWING FORMS The formative power of the soul in moments of emotional intensity. Controlled self-expression. Art as a spiritual fact.
___*When positive, the degree is an effectiveness of personal participation in everyday existence, and when negative, wilful or unintelligent distortion of reality.

Arian Maverick

Mikey279x
01-01-2007, 01:00 AM
The first thing I noticed about the chart you provided was the powerful opposition between the Taurus Moon-North Node conjunction and Scorpio Pluto-Sun-South Node conjunction, which are both square Jupiter in Aquarius. However, since this is a hypothetical chart, the exact degree of the Moon is variable and may or may not be within orb of the North Node.

I will look at the sabian symbols of this chart, but I believe a horary chart may be more suitable for this type of question, since it is debatable if one's sexuality appears in a natal chart. Also, although I could create and upload a synastry chart between your natal chart and Jake's, I don't believe this alone can determine if he is attracted to you even if some powerful aspects are present.

Sun:



Pluto:



South Node:



North Node:



Jupiter:



Opposite Point of T-Square:



Arian Maverick

Thank you soo much for you reply I really appreciate it.
Anything you can do to help Me would be fantastic! even if he is not gay or attracted to me I can have peace of mind in knowing this and move on.

I still truly feel he is gay though.. I can't explain it but my Intuition has never felt more right.

Arian Maverick
01-01-2007, 01:03 AM
Do you remember the exact moment you first thought of this question? As I mentioned before, I don't think a natal or synastry chart alone will suffice...

Arian Maverick

Mikey279x
01-01-2007, 02:18 AM
Do you remember the exact moment you first thought of this question? As I mentioned before, I don't think a natal or synastry chart alone will suffice...

Arian Maverick


7:16Pm
Bothell Washington
United States
December 31st

Here is my response now




and here is the time of my response then
4:53 pm
Bothell washington
United States

I'm not sure which one is usefull

wilsontc
01-01-2007, 02:54 PM
Maverick,

You said:
...The first thing I noticed about the chart you provided was the powerful opposition between the Taurus Moon...

Since we don't have a definite birth time for this person, we don't know the position of the Moon. I suggest leaving the Moon out entirely until his birth time is known.

Not mooning,

Tim

Arian Maverick
01-01-2007, 03:42 PM
Since we don't have a definite birth time for this person, we don't know the position of the Moon. I suggest leaving the Moon out entirely until his birth time is known.

This is precisely why I did not post the sabian symbol of the Moon ;)

However, most likely the Moon is still exalted in the sign of Taurus, so I believed this to be significant.

Arian Maverick

Mikey279x
01-01-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm not sure if I can obtain and accuarte birht time.. we've looked in his house before and he's even asked his parents but they coultn't find it...

wintersprite1
01-11-2007, 05:51 AM
I'm not sure if I can obtain and accuarte birht time.. we've looked in his house before and he's even asked his parents but they coultn't find it...

Was he born in Washington State?

Mikey279x
01-18-2007, 09:27 AM
Was he born in Washington State?

Yes!! He was born in washington state!! in a place called Mountlake Terrace do you think it'll help me

wintersprite1
01-19-2007, 08:01 PM
Yes!! He was born in washington state!! in a place called Mountlake Terrace do you think it'll help me


:D :D :D :D Yes!!!:D :D :D :D


Since 1967, Washington State started recording birthtimes on birth certificates. All he ( or anybody that wants to know) has to do is go or call any county records department in the State. Dad's Name, Mom's Maiden name, place of birth and date is all that is needed. It costs about 20 bucks for a copy, but if you tell the clerk that all you need is the birthtime, they usually will just tell you for free. If for any reason at all there is no birthtime, the name of the hospital is recorded and can be contacted.

TK

SolarSiren
01-21-2007, 12:07 AM
Hm....This is better for a horary chart I feel.

I feel drawn to the question & your conflict, I've been there before even though it wasn't exactly the same.

So here is my horary figuring for the time I understood the question....

If anyone wants to help or correct me...It was asked at 7:37PM, Tampa, FL, on Jan. 20, 2007.

YOU are the ASC. at 22 LEO.
You are the SUN. It has JUST changed signs.
It shows your intense change of life conditions.

Can another more experienced horary reader help out please!!!
Aquarius is the other person Mikey want to know about.
Traditional ruler Saturn is CONJUNCT the ASC, but ALSO
the Modern ruler is in the 7th house!
Is it a way of saying he's BOTH into Mikey, but also into himself??
Capricorn rules the 6th house of coworkers too.
I'm so confused, lol!
Either way, the Moon(Events) sextiles Pluto in the 5th....So SOMETHING will happen that involves extremes or a big ending/begining.

Mikey279x
01-21-2007, 02:45 AM
Hm....This is better for a horary chart I feel.

I feel drawn to the question & your conflict, I've been there before even though it wasn't exactly the same.

So here is my horary figuring for the time I understood the question....

If anyone wants to help or correct me...It was asked at 7:37PM, Tampa, FL, on Jan. 20, 2007.

YOU are the ASC. at 22 LEO.
You are the SUN. It has JUST changed signs.
It shows your intense change of life conditions.

Can another more experienced horary reader help out please!!!
Aquarius is the other person Mikey want to know about.
Traditional ruler Saturn is CONJUNCT the ASC, but ALSO
the Modern ruler is in the 7th house!
Is it a way of saying he's BOTH into Mikey, but also into himself??
Capricorn rules the 6th house of coworkers too.
I'm so confused, lol!
Either way, the Moon(Events) sextiles Pluto in the 5th....So SOMETHING will happen that involves extremes or a big ending/begining.

Solar Saturn!! thank you for yoru assistence!! Could someone please see if there is anything else at all that may help my situaion

for the past 2 weeks the signals he's given me has increased, He's a fairly private person who not a lot of people understand, every gets mad at him for giving off the goody two shoes typed of image when it comes to hanging out. All the girls love him but he never appears intrested whatsoever, recently a girl even wanted to have sex with him but he backed down.

I talked to his cousin and his exact words were " Jake Loves you Mikey!! which is weird cause jake doesn't like anyone"

Could someone see what they can do??