POF Antiscion and Contra-Antiscion in natal charts!

[Betelgeuse]

In horary astrology is very much used the POF's antiscion and contra-antiscion, I was wondering how this can be used in natal chart.

Here is my story to it:

My POF is at 5th house Saggitaurius conjuncting the Moon. My antiscion is at 6th house in Capricorn very near Descedent. My contra-antiscion is at 12th house exactly on my Sun in Cancer.

When it comes to trouble, 6th/12th house are also called Mala Fortuna, since is also the sectors in life which shows diseases. Every time there is an unknown trouble, or unknown enemy ( 12th house ), contra-antiscion always gives me luck from unknown and strange circumstances. Also antiscion in 6th can bring an unexpected good turn of events. Note to say that this positive influence only happens if I mind my own business and trieng not to be bad in life, otherwise trouble continous even more worse. I don't want to appear that I exalt myself, I always thank God when my troubles have a happy ending, cause without Him, I am nothing.

How to calculate antiscion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiscia

How to calculate contra-antiscion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra-antiscion

I want to hear other's people opinions and stories, very curios from what horary experts and uranian astrology specialists would say about it.

[starlink]

Betelgeuse, thanks for giving the links. I personally never used these point before but will have a closer look at them from now on. Also parallel and contra-paralel (is this maybe the same as antiscion and contra-antiscion?) seem to be important in horary but some astrologers dont use that either.

[starlink]

Hi Betelgeuse, a question as to what you wrote about the part of Fortune. If I understand it well, you say that your Part of Fortune is situated in Scorpio and the Antiscia is in the 6th house in Capricorn. In the Wikipedia it gives the corresponding Antiscia place for Scorpio as being in Aquarius (and Vice Versa). So how come you get your Antiscia in Capricorn ? I really dont understand much about these antiscion and contra-antiscion. Does it maybe have to do with the degree of your Part of F.?(Very late in Scorpio and therefore going over to the next sign?).

[Betelgeuse]

Hi Betelgeuse, a question as to what you wrote about the part of Fortune. If I understand it well, you say that your Part of Fortune is situated in Scorpio and the Antiscia is in the 6th house in Capricorn. In the Wikipedia it gives the corresponding Antiscia place for Scorpio as being in Aquarius (and Vice Versa). So how come you get your Antiscia in Capricorn ? I really dont understand much about these antiscion and contra-antiscion. Does it maybe have to do with the degree of your Part of F.?(Very late in Scorpio and therefore going over to the next sign?).

Thank you Starlink for the observation, apparently I made a mistake thinking strange about Uranus, but wasn't the POF's antiscion. My Moon is at late Scorpio, but the POF is at early Saggitaurius. Maybe I made this mistake cause I posted while VOC occured? :p I modified my first post a little.

Very interesting about parallels and couter-parallels, cause when I use these, antiscion acts like parallels, while contra-antiscion acts like couter-parallels, so it's true that they are actualy aspects, I didn't know until now.:D

[Themis]

Thanks Betelgeuse for your question since i have been wondering about the question of anticion and contra-antiscion as well. You offered a good thread in which i may fine-tune my own quesiton, not to hijack your thread, just further our understanding of antiscion if you don't mind to avoid opening a totally new thread for the similar question: in the first link that you've given, i don't know whether you have noticed that they have talked about the line of reference of "MC/IC" or "10th/4th" house axis. in the following link:http://www.skyscript.co.uk/antiscia.html the explaination on antiscion is obvious using the axis of solistice axis. i think it is an error in the wikipedia when they spoke of "MC/IC" axis because in the example that it gave immediately below obviously the axis in question is the solistice axis. As it is mentioned in the links, "A planet's antiscion is the shadow of that planet". then my question is "what is the relationship between a planet and its contra-antiscion"? I believe in the utility of antiscion/contra-antiscion but i lack information in examples of such usage. How often do you use these points? in the horary, i think antiscion offers kind of link of two planets in the similar sense as to parallel and reception (of course they are not exactly the same)? i am new to horary but i find in every example of antiscion in the forum it's just incredible for such usage. so if anybody has such experience could voice their opinion on this subject, i appreciate your input. thanks.:)

[starlink]

Hello Themis, I am glad there are more people confused about this. I do see the antiscion as a positive influence on a planet that it conjuncts, same indeed as mutual reception, so to keep it easy I use it like that in horary. I do not use it in natal chart interpretation though. I dont think I can ever find an antiscion or contra-antiscion without having a reference list next to me and the same goes for paralel and contra-paralel. i just have a blind eye for it and maybe therefore never wanted to use the paralel aspect. I see a square, trine, etc. just like that, but when it comes to paralel and contra-paralel, I can't. The antiscion I always have to calculate, not estimate (30 degrees minus degree of planet). I have found nothing about the workings of these aspects or points except for what I wrote above. If you can find more on the subject (or anyone else reading this) please mention it in a thread. Maybe that will open my understanding of it all. We are never too old to learn!

[Betelgeuse]

Thanks for the link Themis :). I didn't notice the 4th/10th axis, it's obvious they are related to the astrological alphabet, ( 4th is analogy whit Cancer, while 10th in analogy whit Capricorn ), so they are reffering to the solstice point.

I remember someone asked about how the antiscion/contra-antiscion works.

In this thread I answered.

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4270


The antiscion is actualy used as a parallel aspect, while the contra-antiscion is a couter-parallel aspect. The parallel aspect has a similar effect as the longitudinal conjunction angle ( The conjunction itself to be more simplier ). When planets are in conjunction aspect, thier energy is combined and thier influence is fused together. The difference between the parallel aspect and the longitudinal conjunction, is that the parallel acts more lightly, more quietly, more in the background, more secretive, more discreet, it's effect lasts even more longer, but it's less dinamic in it's influence. The contra-antiscion is a couter-parallel aspect, which has a similar effect as the opposition. When planets are in opposition, one opposes another and creates tension, they need balance so they could complete eachother. The difference between the couter-parallel aspect and the longitudinal opposition, is that the couter-parallel acts whit less tension, much lighter, but much longer in it's influence, it also acts whit the same quiet nature as the parallel. The orbs used for antiscion/contra-antiscion is maximum 4... I use 3, cause I like tighter.

This website is good for parallel aspects information:

http://www.mandala.be/declination/jayne.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html

[Themis]

thanks so much Betelgeusen for the links. yes i have read the thread in which you explained antiscion/contra-antiscion as "parallel/counter paralle" influence. i like the way you describe the influence very much. nevertheless, after reading the article of Deborah Houlding (the link given above), i've got the impression that antiscion and parallel are not really the same thing. i still need time to digest this article but i tend to follow her opinion. it seems that there is some difference of technics in these things. i suggest you to read a bit of this article, since you are so excellent in math thinking (very impressed by your harmonics chart input in another thread:eek: :) ), i think perhaps you could figure better out the technical difference. in the mean time i will further study a bit this subject. see you later. thanks and best, themis.

[SimplyRed]

Like my POF is 24 Aries, which make it 6 degrees Virgo, if math is correct.

If I am interpreting this right, 6 degree Virgo could be a sensitive degree in relation to synastry, transits, or solar arcs.

So, this is the shadow, of the planet or point. Right, correct if wrong. I have not used this much.

So, a planet at 6 Virgo would receive my POF shadow or transferred light. I really wonder if this is good or bad, depending what astrology used. Does a person that has a degree at 6 virgo feel the good effects of POF in a unexplained way.
Or my Pisces sun 24 is 6 Libra, how would a Libra person feel this or a planet there.

Wonder if there are actually mutally reception degrees within the natal chart and how would it work out with this.

Thanks for explaination. Hey Tebbybull. Glad you are posting.

Anyone know of syanstry contacts like this, where the rest of the synastry did not seem that great, but this antisotice point gave new meaning.
Oh Well ?????

[SimplyRed]

Just thought of something my POF and sun for antiscision goes to the eight house. Libra 6 and virgo 6 are both eight house. Wonder if eight house matters have anything to do with my POF and sun. eight house covers much territory.

Thanks for the Links. Just never used this much and curious.
Mars rules POF, Neptune rules sun sign or Jupiter.
Mercury rules eight house and fifth.
Mars and Jupiter are sextile, Mercury only has a quintile with mars.

Anyway, mind is wondering, LOL

Noel Tyl says it means something in synastry.
In fact, I have never used the POF for that as well. Sun maybe, but not POF.