Jobless in America - Tent Cities

[JUPITERASC]

2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT2bYvtulBA&feature=related

March 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcHEJ2xl_uo&feature=relmfu

May 6 2011 Homeless Middleclass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9-Ka7hGXA&feature=relmfu

June 18 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqmWcpTPVGg&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brtm94FNJZw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqN3amj6AcE&feature=related :smile:

[byjove]

Scary stuff. It's weird seeing so many homeless people in such rich parts.

I still think Europe is in a worse situation though. America hit 9% unemployment and that gets attention. Spain has 21% (double, DOUBLE) and a variety of European countries have 14% or more. For that I'd like to see governments fall. Those banks do NOT deserve our cash.

[JUPITERASC]

Scary stuff. It's weird seeing so many homeless people in such rich parts.

I still think Europe is in a worse situation though. America hit 9% unemployment and that gets attention. Spain has 21% (double, DOUBLE) and a variety of European countries have 14% or more. For that I'd like to see governments fall. Those banks do NOT deserve our cash.

It's all E=mcsquared or "You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother." - Albert Einstein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7Sg41Bp-U (link works if copied and pasted)

One fifth (that is 20%) of the population of Spain = 9,000,000

One tenth (that is 10%) of the population of USA = 31,180,000

It's all relative byjove :smile:

[twelthnight]

I'll add that unemployed Americans don't usually get anywhere near the amount of benefits that their European counterparts do. An unemployed American has a very immenent danger of homelessness, even families with young children. It's outrageous.

[07.Re]

Lisa Ling investigated tent cities for an Oprah show in 2009. Here she interviews those living in these very conditions:

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Lisa-Ling-Goes-Inside-a-Tent-City

[astrologer50]

not much better here in UK either. We have a benefit system, but it's poverty living. You fair better if you have kids as the local Govern have a duty of care....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS2U4BX489I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lgu2Iohf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6-0sbqVqTk&feature=related

Homeless Boy Steals The Talent Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ46Ot4_lLo&feature=related
you MUST listen to this boy sing OMG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgH4zV2UQeE

[tsmall]

It comes down to the best interests of the average American being held hostage to the political atmosphere in this country that seems to reward those elected to help restructure the system for doing absolutely nothing of any benefit. When the fringe elements of either party begin to set party platforms and shape (or block) legislation, the majority of us in the middle go unheard/unhelped. When a minority party (tea, anyone?) has the ability to prevent forward motion by refusing to compromise, we no longer have a democracy.

[byjove]

It's all E=mcsquared or "You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother." - Albert Einstein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC7Sg41Bp-U (link works if copied and pasted)

One fifth (that is 20%) of the population of Spain = 9,000,000

One tenth (that is 10%) of the population of USA = 31,180,000

It's all relative byjove :smile:

But Obama chose to spend the country's way out of recession, in most European countries the govts. chose the opposite. The OECD said my country had the worst impact of the recession of any country in the world. That's still a nasty shock even if it's not 30 million. And I really don't think it's a numbers game. The French are about to be downgraded, and the Germans are 'bailing out' the European countries with huge bank dependencies with their banks - they're saving their own behind. And it won't work.

[twelthnight]

not much better here in UK either. We have a benefit system, but it's poverty living. You fair better if you have kids as the local Govern have a duty of care....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS2U4BX489I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8lgu2Iohf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6-0sbqVqTk&feature=related

Homeless Boy Steals The Talent Show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ46Ot4_lLo&feature=related
you MUST listen to this boy sing OMG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgH4zV2UQeE

True, w/o kids benefits in the UK are meager. I always felt so bad for the pensioners who would go w/o heat through the winter and live on tea and beans, with no one to check in on them. I always thought WW2 propaganda in UK had something to do with that "stiff upper lip" attitude a lot of that generation seem to have. But a lot of them need help, and won't say it.
BUT, if you do have kids, you will be okay. I lived in the UK for 7 years, last 2 of them as a single mom...i was starting my business, so income was non-existant...i had a central house in a nice neighborhood rent totally paid for, all bills paid for, and 700 pounds a month for food/clothes/etc. Absolutely enough. More than enough, if the gov't is footing the bill. Children are very well protected in the UK, excellent system for families as far as I'm aware.

Plus, you can have savings up to like 20,000 pounds or more with children in the uk w/o loosing benefits in the UK (at least with children)!! It's crazy compared to the US. When my business started to make money, I got MORE benefits, not less through working tax credits and back to work credits. Unbelievable!

I may have been somewhat unique in that I was persuing a business that took off, and I had the money from my divorce to make that happen, but I know that had I been living in the US, that money would have HAD to go towards expenses, and no way would I be able to support my children and start a business. Impossible in the US, just impossible.

[tsmall]

But Obama chose to spend the country's way out of recession, in most European countries the govts. chose the opposite. The OECD said my country had the worst impact of the recession of any country in the world. That's still a nasty shock even if it's not 30 million. And I really don't think it's a numbers game. The French are about to be downgraded, and the Germans are 'bailing out' the European countries with huge bank dependencies with their banks - they're saving their own behind. And it won't work.

The initial decision to "spend" actually came before Obama was elected. Problem was the spending didn't go far enough, and then those that supported it when it was the idea of the other party suddenly reversed their support when they were no loger in power, and then effectively began blocking any further efforts to help. We have here a struggle for power that is only interested in being in control, and not in actually accomplishing anything.

[byjove]

Yes I remember I read that that would happen when the Republicans gained ground half-way. A tug of war.

[JUPITERASC]

Anyone remember a place called Iceland? :smile:

Why Iceland is not in the news anymore....

An Italian radio program’s story about Iceland’s on-going revolution is a stunning example of how little our media tells us about the rest of the world. Americans may remember that at the start of the 2008 financial crisis, Iceland literally went bankrupt. The reasons were mentioned only in passing, and since then, this little-known member of the European Union fell back into oblivion. Contrary to what could be expected, the crisis resulted in Icelanders recovering their sovereign rights, through a process of direct participatory democracy that eventually led to a new Constitution.

The belief that citizens had to pay for the mistakes of a financial monopoly, that an entire nation must be taxed to pay off private debts was shattered, transforming the relationship between citizens and their political institutions and eventually driving Iceland’s leaders to the side of their constituents. The Head of State, Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, refused to ratify the law that would have made Iceland’s citizens responsible for its bankers’ debts, and accepted calls for a referendum. In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution (though not televised in the United States), would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for the ex-president of Kaupthing, Sigurdur Einarsson, as the other bankers implicated in the crash fled the country.

But Icelanders didn’t stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. As one European country after another fails or risks failing, imperiling the Euro, with repercussions for the entire world, the last thing the powers that be want is for Iceland to become an example.

http://politicalirony.com/2011/08/24/why-iceland-is-not-in-the-news-anymore/

August 2011 Unbelievable reaction by police to lemonade sellers.... Disturbing implications http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7wlx95Ztsw&feature=related
and is this guy wrong in January 2011 when he warns of future food riots http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXlSv8zSP2A&feature=related
highest decorated Police Officer in Phoenix history who warned of coming martial law wrong? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvBrk1X3SlA&feature=related and what is the meaning of this phone call to a local radio station as long ago as 2009?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIVI5g2y-XQ&feature=related and what are the implications of “The Sad Truth” April 2009? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrXrE8AmIc&feature=related

Edward Bernays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjP2gHoBLvA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuOmK4Tc6K8

[astrologer50]

nice example JA,

I like David Icke he's always knocking the establishment and kabals etc.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/55238-david-icke-remember-who-you-are

the youtube on Glenn Beck talks about controlling the media, david icke has been saying THIS for years, who owns the media *Rupert Murdoch* whom all politicians like to cozy upto...

RED ALERT World War 3 Pre-Planned For 2011 - The Plan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhcXa8my9nw&feature=related

European Union is preparing for Something BIG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNenVOrIrD0&NR=1

[JUPITERASC]

WASHINGTON – The jobs crisis has left so many people out of work for so long that most of America's unemployed are no longer receiving unemployment benefits.

Early last year, 75 percent were receiving checks. The figure is now 48 percent -- a shift that points to a growing crisis of long-term unemployment. Nearly one-third of America's 14 million unemployed have had no job for a year or more.

Yet for a growing share of the unemployed, a vote in Congress to extend the benefits to 99 weeks is irrelevant. They've had no job for more than 99 weeks. They're no longer eligible for benefits.

Their options include food stamps or other social programs. Nearly 46 million people received food stamps in August, a record total. That figure could grow as more people lose unemployment benefits.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/05/most-us-unemployed-no-longer-receive-benefits/ :smile:

[tsmall]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/04/clinging-to-their-fiscally-conservative-fantasy-is-clearly-getting-in-the-way-of-putting-people-back-to-work/

[tikana]

"this little-known member of the European Union fell back into oblivion" YEAh to a person who never took geography class it is "little-known" in 1980s Iceland was in the middle of ballistic missile treaty negotiations. this is a country of barely 300k cannot sustain real estate boom that has been going on for 12+ yeas. I was there in 2000. Everything was SOLD overnight 150% markup. Now tell me.... where do ppl get that money ??? from the banks! Who wrote the loans? Loan officers who just like in the US were putting the family made more money than they were actually making. and ppl blame banks? Banks should have been doing their homework and NOT relying on submortage brokers and agencies. PPl blaming banks where they should be blaming themselves. 0% payment - adjustable mortage ??? who are they kidding? Now they are complaining US govt and the banks are not helping? Banks are saying "Skrew you, you should have been reading your contracts before buying the property." They are right but what they are NOt doing is they are not allowing shortsales because banks take a big hit. The only ppl made money globally were the ppl who bought the homes at the beginning and sold it within 1 year in 2005-very early 2007. I know 1 guy who bought a building for 2.5 million (xrental) transformed it into a condo and sold all units for 300k - 42 of them ... Now how much profit did he walk away with? 14 MILLION! Who says that 100k property worth 300k overnight? Now Let's talk about Icelandic real estate / economical problems. people out of work (just like in the US) ,.. ppl are renting *just like in the US* one thng we do not have here in the states is Sale-by-swap, this would be great for the US. An average cost of icelandic home in 1998 was $60 per square foot .. by 2008 $191 per sq foot. Now it is $170 per square foot. Europe is in same sh*t. Ireland boom i saw it first hand in 2006 - everywhere BUILD BUILD BUILD.. now .. half finished houses in ireland standing as a eyesore. You can get a house in ireland for 25k EASY

It never fails if the real estate goes through the roof within 5 years- expect a mega crash. We saw this in early 1990s and in the 80s

sigh

[JUPITERASC]

Scary stuff. It's weird seeing so many homeless people in such rich parts.

I still think Europe is in a worse situation though. America hit 9% unemployment and that gets attention. Spain has 21% (double, DOUBLE) and a variety of European countries have 14% or more. For that I'd like to see governments fall. Those banks do NOT deserve our cash.
USA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bI_PAiCh0w connecting the dots
UK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z66fvJtfs6g
SPAIN May 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBakrZUgbEE

IRELAND http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-G5E3x82S0&feature=relmfu

Why do banks lend governments money? Because with punitive interest rates, it's a nice little earner by jove and the bank then controls the government – irrespective of political affiliation... that's why when there's a change of government the situation does not change :smile:

But Icelanders refused to bow to the bankers and so their government was forced by the Icelandic people to legislate change.

So how can governments escape from the clutches of the bankers? By regulating the banks and refusing to borrow. But (a) governments worldwide are in debt to 'the banks' and (b)banks obviously resist being regulated - being more than happy as their investors wealth increases.

GREECE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVDWR9-CrfI "The real cause of the crisis is not Greek economics or Greek public debt it is the Euro itself... it is a mechanism producing more debt for EVERY country and for every people, because of creating a huge banking system... we are talking about a banking system that is four times wealthier than the Eurozone GDP :smile:

[JUPITERASC]

The initial decision to "spend" actually came before Obama was elected. Problem was the spending didn't go far enough, and then those that supported it when it was the idea of the other party suddenly reversed their support when they were no loger in power, and then effectively began blocking any further efforts to help. We have here a struggle for power that is only interested in being in control, and not in actually accomplishing anything.

Richard Heinberg’s latest landmark work goes to the heart of the ongoing financial crisis, explaining how and why it occurred, what we must do to avert the worst potential outcomes and shows why growth is being blocked by three factors :smile:


Resource depletion,
Environmental impacts, and
Crushing levels of debt.

These converging limits will force us to re-evaluate cherished economic theories and to reinvent money and commerce. The End of Growth describes what policymakers, communities, and families can do to build a new economy that operates within Earth’s budget of energy and resources. We can thrive during the transition if we set goals that promote human and environmental well-being, rather than continuing to pursue the now-unattainable prize of ever-expanding GDP.


http://richardheinberg.com/bookshelf/the-end-of-growth-book

[tsmall]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-wallis/time-to-rebuild-our-found_b_1086874.html

[astrologer50]

Don't you think this has a lot to do with Pluto in capricorn?


Right now, Pluto's drama is playing out in the realm of finances, government and the environment. We're seeing desperate, compulsive and obsessive behavior come into the light, as more suffer from a system that's been revealed as unsound. Pluto's probing uncovers distorted thinking, and power being wielded destructively. The truth comes out, and in the financial world, we see a value-system that is poisoned by greed. It's based on a sick psychological foundation, one not in harmony with the cycles of life. Pluto has a way of using extremes to bring a point home. With the bailout, we see the truth made clear -- we have a hopelessly corrupt government, in cahoots with the banking interests.
http://astrology.about.com/od/plutoincapricornto2023/qt/PlutoCap.htm


The last time Pluto was in Capricorn, the American Revolution occurred, and Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers of the American Revolution, first penned in the American Constitution that all men (and women) have the pursuit of happiness as one of their intrinsic and inalienable rights

Pluto is the Roman name of Hades, the mythological Greek god of the underworld. But Pluto’s rule extends far beyond that of the nether regions. He is also the ruler of the dark side of our souls, and of our minds. Psychology is under the realm of Pluto, as is any other transforming science or doctrine. Among other dark subjects, Pluto rules crime,
dictatorships, and fascism
http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/1566



Pluto in Sagittarius from 1995 to 2008 has of course evoked the spectre of international terror and religious fundamentalism. As a mutable sign Sagittarius creates polarity, and today we have the idea of a war of civilizations. The root cause of terror is probably injustice, which Pluto in Sagittarius seeks to redress by its own methods, but the terror of Muslim extremists is also about fighting the Great Satan of America, and the sexual flagrancy and material indulgence of the West... a last-ditch attempt to save an outdated worldview.
http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2005/06_pluto.htm

[astrologer50]

Which brings us to Pluto’s coming transit of Capricorn from January 2008 to 2024. (Those Pluto transits are getting longer – as a result of its eccentric orbit. Most English people are pleased to note that the bombers responsible for the London bombings on July 7th, 2005 were conveniently identified on CCTV. Indeed the average English person’s movements outside their houses can be tracked from morning to night in Britain, which has the highest proportion of outdoor cameras anywhere in the world. Iris scanning has been implemented at airports, so in the years to come it will be an instantaneous process to identity all international travellers. http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2005/06_pluto.htm (http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2005/06_pluto.htm)


Talk about big brother watching you..:andy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm5tXGqfBIQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7NC39SSU6I&feature=related

We see the power that be, attempting to have a 'global' banking system (for control)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf4mNAraKn8&feature=related
corruption in UK, even from 2009 and MP's cheating their expenses scandal. Then Rupert Murdoch phone tapping scandal. These are all big instituitions and capricorn governs...

Every chance of a pandemic capable of killing off hundreds of millions of people between 2008 and 2023. It has happened before, and it WILL happen again. It seems that wars, natural disasters and epidemics are the only way the population of the World can be controlled. I have predicted a major Chinese catastophe (file:///C:%20China.html) taking place in the next five years.

A massive volcanic eruption, possibly in January 2020, causing global climate change for several years is possible. If not, massive, devastating earthquake activity is possible, as are tsunamis. Global climate change shocks will become apparent between 2008 and 2023.
http://www.astrology-reading.com.au/Pluto_in_Capricorn.html (http://www.astrology-reading.com.au/Pluto_in_Capricorn.html)


I think it's widely accepted whoever owns the banks, rules the countries. That's why when Governments change, nothing really changes, due to the banks pulling the strings. Who owns these banks, probably a handful of people and like puppets we all dance to their tunes...

[JUPITERASC]

Shocking numbers of children affected by poverty
2008 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV82Zvc6LsY&feature=related

2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRpwIlULpXw&feature=fvwrel

December 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO5b_FwR5HU&feature=related

6 March 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCKYBIs10gY&feature=related
Perhaps these people are unaware of the situation http://www.rich-bastards.com/ :smile:

[Vista]

I am pretty convinced the number of unemployed is much, much higher than what is being reported here in the United States. What about all the people who don't qualify that had small business that shut-down or other's whose benefits have run out(like mine). And the poster who said you are much better off having children; ain't that the truth!! I can't qualify for anything but food stamps, yet if I had children I would also receive besides food stamps, cash aid, housing aid vouchers, medical insurance and free breakfast and lunch for my children. This infuriates me as I really could use some help to get back on my feet! I was in a tax bracket where i was paying 49% of my income in taxes FOR YEARS yet people who have children can spend their entire lives on welfare without having ever paid dime! Don't even get me started about the people who come here illegally and drop their anchor babies who receive and entire host of benefits for their children!!! It's really scarey what is happening here in the United States and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

[JUPITERASC]

I am pretty convinced the number of unemployed is much, much higher than what is being reported here in the United States. What about all the people who don't qualify that had small business that shut-down or other's whose benefits have run out(like mine).
here's a report from July 2011 that agrees with you Vista
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkuSonZNCzY&feature=fvst
and banks are cashing in on the poor and unemployed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w0UPxXYIDk

for those who have not viewed it yet, this Movie is a "must see" :smile:
ZEITGEIST The Movie 2007 by Peter Joseph http://vimeo.com/13726978 connects religious symbolism with astrology/constellations/the stars :smile:

Great movie Jupiter, a bit disturbing but a "must see". This is why I believe that we have entered the age of Aquarius, as the illusions of the past are being exposed ( the age of Pisces). I have to wonder if we are truly into the new age though, as from past personal experience the influence of a planet changing signs is discernible before it changes signs, there must be an orb, which could be quite long in duration when we are dealing with the precession of the equinox! Maybe this movie represents a taste of what is to come in the very near future! I certainly hope so, it's long overdue!

[Mark]

Vista: While we agree that this country is not what it used to be, not what it was supposed to be, and really not even functional anymore, I don't think that the reasons for these things have anything to do with "anchor babies."

[Vista]

Vista: While we agree that this country is not what it used to be, not what it was supposed to be, and really not even functional anymore, I don't think that the reasons for these things have anything to do with "anchor babies."

Of course you wouldn't. You also don't live in Southern California. They have a huge financial impact on the state not just from being born here, but because their mothers come here illegally to have their babies all at taxpayer expense and to gain citizenship rights. Because of their anchor baby, they now receive entitlements in government programs because now their mother and father can stay in the country along with their siblings simply because they have a US citizen as part of their family. Again, because of their "anchor baby," it allows them to receive food stamps, cash aid, subsidized housing, free breakfast and lunch programs for all their children in addition to a free education that they aren't paying for since they aren't paying taxes, as well as free medical care. If that isn't bad enough, many who are retirement age can now collect social security without having ever paid a dime into the system. Besides the abuse of social service they also bring a lot of crime and illiteracy and special education requirements for their Spanish speaking kids. Here in California the police are supposed to impound our cars if we don't have auto insurance, but not the Hispanic population. It's considered "inhumane" to take their cars so now besides not checking their legal status of being in the United States, they now get to keep their vehicles unlike American citizens who have to provide proof of insurance. Our auto insurance has gone through the roof because most illegals obviously do not have insurance so when they get into an accident they just abandoned their cars and run. Do you know they(illegals) can walk into the ER and receive medical care and are not asked for any indentification? This is a fact here, but yet if I walked in there I would have to provide my license and insurance and if I don't have insurance I can expect a $2000 bill for a sinus infection? I live with this every day and I am also in the medical industry and have called on hospitals throughout Southern California where I have seen and heard of the financial impact they are having on the hospital systems. This is a fact, not my opinion. Are you seriously going to try and suggest this does not have a HUGE financial impact on states that have a tremendous influx of illegal immigrants coming here? In addition to all this, most that make it here either have fake identification to get jobs or they do cash pay jobs and never pay a dime in taxes. Tell me how, economically this could possibly not hurt us with at least 30+ million people here in the country illegally? What about all the jobs they have taken? They have single handedly taken most of the service industry jobs. Believe me, they don't want the strawberry picking jobs, those are mostly transitional until they get their fake ID's to get something better. And for the record, I don't buy for a minute it's the 11-20 million illegals here as they would like everyone to believe, maybe here in California but not nationwide. No way. What's more, many jobs now require bi-lingual speaking employees here in California, again an illustration of how we are catering to people who don't belong here. Why shouldn't they learn English? They are here illegally, yet we have to provide interpreters for them? Are you kidding me? These aren't the immigrants of our forefathers coming here and embracing the land, it's people and it's language. This is a generation of people who are coming here with the idea of taking back their land just by sheer numbers. They are not integrating, they are creating third world sub cultures in our neighborhoods. Take a drive through them one day, it's like going to Mexico.

And for the record so I can nip this in the bud so to speak, I am not talking about legal immigration which i completely for. We are strictly talking about the impact of illegal immigration on our country. What a slap in the face for all those who did it the right way including my cousin's wife and family and my stepfather's parents.

[JUPITERASC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uesCu3VVR4E video illustrating the more realistic causes of the current worldwide financial crisis

The current situation of lack of employment is a worldwide phenomenon brought about by the greed of the banks and their owners. Hence "Occupy Wall Street" and other worldwide "Occupy" protests

The comedian George Carlin commented http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Up-k4Lho8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeLLR3LWtv4&feature=related :smile:

[Vista]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uesCu3VVR4E video illustrating the more realistic causes of the current worldwide financial crisis

The current situation of lack of employment is a worldwide phenomenon brought about by the greed of the banks and their owners. Hence "Occupy Wall Street" and other worldwide "Occupy" protests

The comedian George Carlin commented http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeLLR3LWtv4&feature=related :smile:

I am not saying illegal immigration is solely the problem, just one major piece of a very big puzzle. But yes, you are correct.

You might enjoy this video from the author of "The Looting of America" by Les Leopold. It discusses unemployment and how the numbers are much, much higher than what's analyst have indicated. He also discusses ways to fix the problem that I find very interesting. Too bad we don't have anyone in power that will implement these fixes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkuSonZNCzY&feature=fvst

[JUPITERASC]

I am not saying illegal immigration is solely the problem, just one major piece of a very big puzzle. But yes, you are correct.

You might enjoy this video from the author of "The Looting of America" by Les Leopold. It discusses unemployment and how the numbers are much, much higher than what's analyst have indicated. He also discusses ways to fix the problem that I find very interesting. Too bad we don't have anyone in power that will implement these fixes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkuSonZNCzY&feature=fvst

thanks for that Vista - I often wonder who calculates the official figures Meanwhile here's another wry comment from George Carlin where he comments on Homelessness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNHIETXh4Vw&feature=related :smile:

[Serendipity]

I am pretty convinced the number of unemployed is much, much higher than what is being reported here in the United States. What about all the people who don't qualify that had small business that shut-down or other's whose benefits have run out(like mine). And the poster who said you are much better off having children; ain't that the truth!! I can't qualify for anything but food stamps, yet if I had children I would also receive besides food stamps, cash aid, housing aid vouchers, medical insurance and free breakfast and lunch for my children. This infuriates me as I really could use some help to get back on my feet! I was in a tax bracket where i was paying 49% of my income in taxes FOR YEARS yet people who have children can spend their entire lives on welfare without having ever paid dime! Don't even get me started about the people who come here illegally and drop their anchor babies who receive and entire host of benefits for their children!!! It's really scarey what is happening here in the United States and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

Yep, my neighbor. She's got everything paid for because she has a daughter. I can't say for certain that she is here illegally but regardless... why is it people who don't have children cant get aid?
I have a friend whose husband had his leg amputated and can't work at the moment. He can't seem to get social security disability either.

[JUPITERASC]

Yep, my neighbor. She's got everything paid for because she has a daughter. I can't say for certain that she is here illegally but regardless... why is it people who don't have children cant get aid?
I have a friend whose husband had his leg amputated and can't work at the moment. He can't seem to get social security disability either.
Co-incidence? Or could this have influenced current financial crisis? :smile: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42804 and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXIsNLnMhS8&feature=share

[tsmall]

Mark, I agree that the problem doesn't lie with "anchor babies" nor with babies and/or having children or not having them. The biggest reason families with children receive more aid is due, in my opinion, to the efforts of Ted Kennedy, and others like him, in trying to improve the lot of the poor by focusing on children first.

Regarding the lack of jobs here in the US, again in my opinion, we need to look at both our trade agreements, and the tax incentives given to corporations/companies who are able to ship their manufacturing, help desk, outsourcing, etc. to countries where labor is cheaper, leaving fewer and fewer jobs here in the US. This is why we have become a consumerist society...we aren't making much these days, and most of what we use is now being imported.

[Vista]

Mark, I agree that the problem doesn't lie with "anchor babies" nor with babies and/or having children or not having them. The biggest reason families with children receive more aid is due, in my opinion, to the efforts of Ted Kennedy, and others like him, in trying to improve the lot of the poor by focusing on children first.

Regarding the lack of jobs here in the US, again in my opinion, we need to look at both our trade agreements, and the tax incentives given to corporations/companies who are able to ship their manufacturing, help desk, outsourcing, etc. to countries where labor is cheaper, leaving fewer and fewer jobs here in the US. This is why we have become a consumerist society...we aren't making much these days, and most of what we use is now being imported.


Tsmall, Once again I notice you don't live in California or a state that has received a significant influx on illegal aliens. I do. I see what is happening around us and we are being invaded illegally by uneducated, third world migrants. Also, I repeat, I didn't say they were the "only" problem but rather a substantial "part" of the problem we are facing here in California. If you care to educate yourself on what is really going on in California and other states, take a look at this graph on showing the explosion of live births of Hispanic's, i.e. "anchor babies" in California. Also, here is another article about the economic impact they are having on California. Both have references at the bottom.

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_17_4/tsc_17_4_romero.shtml (http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_17_4/tsc_17_4_romero.shtml)

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=36&st=3 (http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=36&st=3)

[JUPITERASC]

Many politicians have blamed business for the current recession, leading to additional measures by the U.S. government to regulate the market. Some critics argue that the Federal Reserve's missteps in managing the monetary system created an economic bubble. That bubble pervaded the real estate market in part through relaxed lending standards promulgated by the government-sponsored enterprises Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. When the bubble inevitably deflated, the crisis spread to the general economy, resulting in high unemployment and negative or slow economic growth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OCzqi3oGmg


The Federalist Society's Student Division hosted this speech at the 2011 Annual Student Symposium on February 26, 2011. 11:00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OCzqi3oGmg#) a.m.
Speech: The U.S. Financial Crisis: Causes and Consequences
--Mr. John Allison, Former Chairman and CEO, BB&T Corporation
--Introduction: Mr. Howard Husock, Vice President for Policy Research, Manhattan Institute

University of Virginia School of Law
Charlottesville, VA

[twelthnight]

Tsmall, Once again I notice you don't live in California or a state that has received a significant influx on illegal aliens. I do. I see what is happening around us and we are being invaded illegally by uneducated, third world migrants. Also, I repeat, I didn't say they were the "only" problem but rather a substantial "part" of the problem we are facing here in California. If you care to educate yourself on what is really going on in California and other states, take a look at this graph on showing the explosion of live births of Hispanic's, i.e. "anchor babies" in California. Also, here is another article about the economic impact they are having on California. Both have references at the bottom.

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_17_4/tsc_17_4_romero.shtml (http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_17_4/tsc_17_4_romero.shtml)


Vista, you also say immigrants today are not like they were in previous waves...you don't think there weren"t ALWAYS people like you, looking to recent immigrants with bitterness and suspicion? Always there were bigots, claiming that immigrants would be the ruin of our society, just after their own parents or grandparents made it through the door.
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=36&st=3 (http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=36&st=3)


So, live birth of an Hispanic child in California = "anchor baby"? I am surprised no one else has spoken out here and I will. This is bigotry, plain and simple. Immigration has traditionally been fueled by people in a bad situation (unemployment, hunger, genocide) seeking a better life. These people are just as likely to make positive contributions to society as any other group of citizens. Like I said before...i was living in England (as an American) but ended up divorced with two English-born babies. I had to accept benefits for a year while I set up a business which eventually had one employee and I was paying taxes by the time I moved back to the US. Immigrants are not the problem, people spreading ignorance is the problem.

"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door." That's our statue of liberty talking. Notice she doesn't make distinctions based on education or race.

You don't slap a poem like that on your borders and then wring your hands when said poor, homeless huddled masses actually show up.

[Vista]

So, live birth of an Hispanic child in California = "anchor baby"? I am surprised no one else has spoken out here and I will. This is bigotry, plain and simple. Immigration has traditionally been fueled by people in a bad situation (unemployment, hunger, genocide) seeking a better life. These people are just as likely to make positive contributions to society as any other group of citizens. Like I said before...i was living in England (as an American) but ended up divorced with two English-born babies. I had to accept benefits for a year while I set up a business which eventually had one employee and I was paying taxes by the time I moved back to the US. Immigrants are not the problem, people spreading ignorance is the problem.

"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door." That's our statue of liberty talking. Notice she doesn't make distinctions based on education or race.

You don't slap a poem like that on your borders and then wring your hands when said poor, homeless huddled masses actually show up.

I bet you don't live in a state where you are dealing with this issue either. Well since we are calling names and I am certainly not afraid to speak out either; I think this is pure ignorance on your part. I am so disgusted by people like you with your typical Liberal mind-set and the same tired, old arguments of why it's OK for millions upon millions of people to continue to break our laws. The immigrants of before came here legally and they also didn't expect the taxpayer to support them. We also didn't have the majority of immigrants(80%) coming from one culture as we do now who, btw, who have an average of a 5 years of schooling and do not speak or speak very little English. The laws are there for a reason! Do you think Mexico or any other South American country allow illegal aliens to immigrate into its countries unchecked? No, they don't. In fact, they have some of the most strict immigration laws of any in the world and deportation is swift. Do you also think that along with the people who want a better way of life that the criminals aren't coming along with them? Well they are and I am tired of it!! Many people are! There needs to be checks and balances and there isn't any with the current system. 1 in 10 have criminal backgrounds, this isn't my opinion it's fact. My cousins Hispanic wife and her family came here legally and so did my Hispanic stepfathers grandparents. They are tired of what is happening here too, in fact, they are MORE infuriated because they worked hard to do the right thing and wait their turn. They never abused the system and they certainly didn't take government assistance, unlike many who come here and take as many freebies as they can all at the taxpayer's expense. Look at the statistics, most who come here are on some form of government assistance that taxpayers foot the bill for. It's a different mindset now than immigrants of before, many are not loyal to the United States they are loyal to Mexico, which is odd since the corruption and poverty of their country is what drove them out. As it stands now, all they have to do is get here and they "have a right" to stay including the right to vote even though they aren't a citizen of the United States!!! It's unbelievable what is happening! At the end of the day it doesn't matter why it's "fueled" or who they are as people as we know there are many good people coming here from Latin America - that's not the problem. We have immigration laws for a reason. What don't you understand about that? What they give verses what they take is much greater - the documentation is all there. Educated yourself. Perhaps we should be investing our time in helping eradicate Mexico's corrupt government and the monopoly on who makes money in that country. There is no reason why they shouldn't be able to support their people. They have a tremendous amount of natural resources they can tap into.
PS. As for the live births to Hispanic woman equaling "anchor babies:" What do you call it when someone comes here illegally and has their baby and now their baby is a US citizen which now allows the entire family to stay in America? Sounds like an anchor baby to me. Like I said, I worked in the hospital system Throughout San Diego, CA. and at one point, 88% of live births from Hispanic women were to undocumented immigrants from Latin America and THEY DON'T PAY A DIME.

[twelthnight]

Vista, you are not educating, as you would like to think, but polarizing. This kind of argument is the direct result of **** like Fox news. The real problem is big business, not poor desperate people.

Also, what have you done, to be so high and mighty? Have YOU started a business? Have YOU created jobs?

[Vista]

Vista, you are not educating, as you would like to think, but polarizing. This kind of argument is the direct result of **** like Fox news. The real problem is big business, not poor desperate people.

Also, what have you done, to be so high and mighty? Have YOU started a business? Have YOU created jobs?


Really, what's polarising about stating the facts? And what makes you so "HIGH AND MIGHTY" yourself? I didn't start calling you names, you did. What are you contributing to the conversation here? Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it right. I am sure the **** you listen from your Liberal Stations are more accurate then? Where do live? Have you started a business and do you employ people? I live in the middle of the problem and for the record, I did have a business that employed three people, two of which were Hispanic citizens who are like family. Like many, I had to shut down because of the economy in addition to having lost my full time employment. The illegal immigration is a financial burden on the state of California and because I am saying it's so then it's bigatry, right? Such a stupid statement. Look up the stats yourself. No one is suggesting they are a terrible culture or even that their plight is not valid. But it is a serious problem for many of the reasons I have stated and I am not afraid to say something about it. And never did I say it's the ONLY problem we are facing as a nation econimally. I said it was a major part of a number of problems particularly here in Southern California.

[twelthnight]

Really, what's polarising about stating the facts? And what makes you so "HIGH AND MIGHTY" yourself? I didn't start calling you names, you did. What are you contributing to the conversation here? Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it right. I am sure the **** you listen from your Liberal Stations are more accurate then? Where do live? Have you started a business and do you employ people? I live in the middle of the problem and for the record, I did have a business that employed three people, two of which were Hispanic citizens who are like family. Like many, I had to shut down because of the economy in addition to having lost my full time employment. The illegal immigration is a financial burden on the state of California and because I am saying it's so then it's bigatry, right? Such a stupid statement. Look up the stats yourself. No one is suggesting they are a terrible culture or even that their plight is not valid. But it is a serious problem for many of the reasons I have stated and I am not afraid to say something about it. And never did I say it's the ONLY problem we are facing as a nation econimally. I said it was a major part of a number of problems particularly here in Southern California.

Okay, you are not reading my posts. I stated that I started a business as an immigrant and did/do employ people. I also left a small franchise behind in England that is now owner/operated by a woman who had been on benefits. I couldn't let this thread go and be a part of AC without stating I think this is utter nonsense. My two cents, my right.

[Vista]

Many politicians have blamed business for the current recession, leading to additional measures by the U.S. government to regulate the market. Some critics argue that the Federal Reserve's missteps in managing the monetary system created an economic bubble. That bubble pervaded the real estate market in part through relaxed lending standards promulgated by the government-sponsored enterprises Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. When the bubble inevitably deflated, the crisis spread to the general economy, resulting in high unemployment and negative or slow economic growth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OCzqi3oGmg


The Federalist Society's Student Division hosted this speech at the 2011 Annual Student Symposium on February 26, 2011. 11:00 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OCzqi3oGmg#) a.m.
Speech: The U.S. Financial Crisis: Causes and Consequences
--Mr. John Allison, Former Chairman and CEO, BB&T Corporation
--Introduction: Mr. Howard Husock, Vice President for Policy Research, Manhattan Institute

University of Virginia School of Law
Charlottesville, VA

Thank you for posting this, I will take a look. But yes, what you said is very true! But to be honest it some respects i think it needed to happen because the price of real-estate was so over-inflated there was no where to go but down. I wish the banks would rent out these vacant, foreclosed homes instead of sitting on them for months sometimes a year or more. There is another problem that is happening at least here in California, rental shortages are becoming an issue and over-priced rental properties. It's a vicious cycle.

[Vista]

Okay, you are not reading my posts. I stated that I started a business as an immigrant and did/do employ people. I also left a small franchise behind in England that is now owner/operated by a woman who had been on benefits. I couldn't let this thread go and be a part of AC without stating I think this is utter nonsense. My two cents, my right.

No I did read your post I forgot that part. My friend came here from Belgium and started a business that at one time employed at least a dozen people. He was deported because his Visa expired and could not get another extension. Where is the justice? Yet someone from Mexico can come here and receive government assistance, yet they let them stay.

You also aren't showing me any documentation to the contrary in regards to what is happening here in California. I have. So my "two cents" back to you is that your opinion is utter nonsense as well; my right too. You also aren't answering me on where you live and I am pretty certain it's not here or you would have said so. I am also pretty sure that you are not up on the California financial crisis or unemployment we are facing as a state. We are ranked as one of the highest percentage of unemployed states in the country. We cannot continue to support the vast number of illegal immigration we are receiving and the drain it's taking on social services.

[Vista]

Vista, you are upset because in common with many millions worldwide you are unemployed which is a tragedy for you - however, you are one of the fortunate ones because you have assistance from your mother. This thread is intended to focus on those who are not only unemployed but also homeless having lost everything and who have no family and/or friends with the ability to support them. It is clear you are angry with your situation, however attempting to pin the blame on "anchor babies" is missing the foundation causes of the current jobless in America and the resulting Tent Cities. For example Marks' comment

and tsmall's opinion are both full of commonsense

and did you read twelthnight's post?

This thread needs to return on track and discuss the HOMELESS who are living in Tent Cities in USA :smile:

But it is related Jupiter because many ARE living in tents and are homeless here, AND, many jobs(not one's people do not want) ARE being taken by people here illegally - hence it is a major problem and a contributing factor to this threads topic. How are people homeless? Mostly because they do not have jobs. Again, joblessness is related to the topic of tent cities/homelessness and undocumented immigrants are taking many jobs, hence people are forced into living this way. Again, I am not saying it's the only problem but IT IS a factor and California contributes a very high percentage to the US economy.

And I did read Twelthnights post, but I am certainly not going to be attacked. You seem to be ok with that for some reason. You should be asking her if she read mine because clearly she is only taking bits and pieces and latching onto this instead looking at the big picture of what is happening here.

[Vista]

Vista, if you would like to begin a separate thread in order to discuss immigration then do so.

However I remind you that the topic of discussion of this thread is Jobless in America - Tent Cities :smile:

Yes, that is a very good option but isn't California part of America?http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif I think our posts are crossing. Anyway point taken, if Twelthnight isn't attacking she will not hear anything more from me either on this thread.

[Mark]

Vista: I think your feelings are so strong because, as you said yourself, you're living in the middle of the problem. When immersed in a problem, it becomes easy to forget that most states aren't having this problem. In fact, Northern California isn't even having this problem (at least nothing like Southern California). Here in Georgia, illegals are only easy to find at Home Depot. In fact, we've been suffering from not enough illegals! In Georgia and Florida, there was literally fruit left to rot in the fields last year because there weren't enough hands to pick them. It seems your side of the country is getting all the illegal immigrants for some reason.

Let's also remember that we have, more than once in America history, declared that all illegals immigrants in the country are legal citizens. The last time this was proposed, people acted like it was the end of the world. Most of them didn't know that we've already done this several times. Also, I have to disagree with the bit about how immigrants of the past had better attitudes than immigrants today. Remember what happened to all those red people that were here before whitie arrived? The original white immigrants to this land were some rather spiteful, greedy, and uncaring individuals.

Our major problem is that we don't have enough jobs. I agree. Where did those jobs go? To Taiwan, China, India, and even Mexico. How do you like that? Go to a car shop and read the manufacturer's label off of any replacement car part. Most of them are made or assembled in Mexico and shipped here because it's cheaper for the American business owner. I don't think we were cut off from our jobs by competition. We were sold out by our own American-born corporations.

[Vista]

Vista: I think your feelings are so strong because, as you said yourself, you're living in the middle of the problem. When immersed in a problem, it becomes easy to forget that most states aren't having this problem. In fact, Northern California isn't even having this problem (at least nothing like Southern California). Here in Georgia, illegals are only easy to find at Home Depot. In fact, we've been suffering from not enough illegals! In Georgia and Florida, there was literally fruit left to rot in the fields last year because there weren't enough hands to pick them. It seems your side of the country is getting all the illegal immigrants for some reason.

Let's also remember that we have, more than once in America history, declared that all illegals immigrants in the country are legal citizens. The last time this was proposed, people acted like it was the end of the world. Most of them didn't know that we've already done this several times. Also, I have to disagree with the bit about how immigrants of the past had better attitudes than immigrants today. Remember what happened to all those red people that were here before whitie arrived? The original white immigrants to this land were some rather spiteful, greedy, and uncaring individuals.

Our major problem is that we don't have enough jobs. I agree. Where did those jobs go? To Taiwan, China, India, and even Mexico. How do you like that? Go to a car shop and read the manufacturer's label off of any replacement car part. Most of them are made or assembled in Mexico and shipped here because it's cheaper for the American business owner. I don't think we were cut off from our jobs by competition. We were sold out by our own American-born corporations.


Hi Mark,
You have made some excellent points and many of which I agree with especially outsourcing of manufacturing. It's travesty for sure! But you have to remember, we have had more illegal immigration in the past decade than we have had in the past century leading up to this point we are at now. The numbers are staggering and largely coming from one population of people. But again, I did not say all but rather many are loyal to Mexico. It's evidence by their protests carrying their flags and teenagers pulling down the American flag and replacing it with the Mexican flag.These incidences are not uncommon. It's the animosity towards America and American culture(again not all but many) and the refusal to assimilate that is becoming a major problem. We have sub cultures popping up all over the country, here it's mostly Hispanic because it is where we are seeing most of the immigration.
But as Jupiter said, I think I will branch off and start my own thread. I would invite you to comment there if you would like to? Thanks for your comments.

[Vista]

Vista, your comments regarding Hispanic "anchor-babies" are inflammatory and because this thread does not concern immigration your comments are contrary to the topic of this thread. I can tell you that because I began this thread in order to draw attention to the plight of HOMELESS Americans who are now forced to live in Tent Cities because they have no other alternative.

You are not homeless. You are not living in a Tent City - if you were you would not have online access. You are unemployed, which is worrying and difficult for you and you have health problems as you have previously stated but nevertheless - you are one of the fortunate few who have support from a member of their family. twelthnight said

what twelthnight has said is simply in defence of the people you have accused of having "anchor-babies" Basically, twelthnight is entitled to her opinion and is correct to state that immigrants are people in bad situations who are just as likely to make a positive contribution to the society they are in. twelthnight lived in England herself as an immigrant on benefits before starting up her own business which she then passed on to another person in England who then was able to be self-supporting. twelthnight's valid point is that immigrants can make positive contributions to society - just as she did herself before returning to American :smile:

I understood that what she said, but Twelthnight is clearly not uneducated nor did she immigrate to England illegally. Also, England is not being invaded predominantly by one culture. This is not about legal immigration, this is ILLEGAL immigration, breaking the law, OUR laws. It seems your point is that we should turn a blind eye to the millions of illegal immigration taking place even though they are breaking our laws and straining our social services, although any other country in the world would deport because some contribute to society? What's the point of having immigration laws or borders? Are we going to pick and chose which cultures can stay and who cannot? That's what seems to be happening, the US turns a blind eye to Hispanic illegal immigration. Besides, why are they above the laws of this land? And yes, it's common knowledge that if you have a baby here in the United States you and your family can stay legally, hence the term "anchor baby." This is what has happened, it's common knowledge especially in Mexico, hence the large influx of young, Hsipanic woman having babies here. Perhaps you Twelthnight don't care for the derogatory reference, but essentially that is exactly what it is. Even some of our politicians speak of it in this term. It is what it is, why sugar coat? I suppose the good side is that they stay here legally.

[twelthnight]

I understood that what she said, but Twelthnight is clearly not uneducated nor did she immigrate to England illegally. Also, England is not being invaded predominantly by one culture. This is not about legal immigration, this is ILLEGAL immigration, breaking the law, OUR laws. It seems your point is that we should turn a blind eye to the millions of illegal immigration taking place even though they are breaking our laws and straining our social services, although any other country in the world would deport because some contribute to society? What's the point of having immigration laws or borders? Are we going to pick and chose which cultures can stay and who cannot? That's what seems to be happening, the US turns a blind eye to Hispanic illegal immigration. Besides, why are they above the laws of this land? And yes, it's common knowledge that if you have a baby here in the United States you and your family can stay legally, hence the term "anchor baby." This is what has happened, it's common knowledge especially in Mexico, hence the large influx of young, Hsipanic woman having babies here. Perhaps you Twelthnight don't care for the derogatory reference, but essentially that is exactly what it is. Even some of our politicians speak of it in this term. It is what it is, why sugar coat? I suppose the good side is that they stay here legally.

Just a minor point...modern Engalnd is wrestling with severe internal RAGE over their immigration issues. And I assure you there were many people who looked down on me due to my position. Some of those EXACT same people looked up to me when my business took off! :)

[JUPITERASC]

While all eyes are on Occupy Wall Street, a different kind of camp is also growing, driven by economic hardship in the United States. Tent City, a makeshift village in the woods of New Jersey, is home to ex-workers who can no longer make ends meet. Their numbers have doubled in the past year. But the neighboring town has had enough of living with a homeless camp in its midst -- and is using the courts to get rid of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdCJBNpgW0

Homeless, unemployed and living in a Tent City in a New Jersey Forest :smile:

[Vista]

Vista did you read everything Mark said? I draw to your attention the following comment

That is a comment worth thinking over... after all, the original citizens of USA were the American Indians - it was "the home of the Brave" remember... the home of the American Brave. Where have the fifteen million plus American Indians gone? They were massacred in horrific genocidal wars and the few left are now are isolated in 'reservations' by the people who were originally immigrants :smile:


The major cause of unemployment and Tent Cities in America is precisely what Mark has said :smile:

Thank you :smile:

Again, that is yours and Marks opinion;http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif it doesn't necessarily make it the only factor in what has happened to this country economically. It's one of several factors. Illegal immigration is a major problem and one of the top issues Americans want fixed. It's had a huge negative economic impact on many states that have received a large proportion of people coming here illegally.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are suggesting that the horrible massacre of millions of American Indians hundred of years ago by European settlers has something to do with what is going on now and is primarily the reason why we should allow millions of people to come here illegally from Mexico? Aren't most who live on reservations because they want to be? The government has also tried to make up for what our forefathers have done by giving them land, free higher education, and not requiring them to pay taxes. What should we do for the misdeeds of others? Look at the history of any country throughout Europe and Asia, they have fought over land for thousands of years and millions have died because of it. Why is this relevant to what we are facing today as a Nation with illegal immigration primarily from Latin America? Do you really think we can continue to support the millions upon millions of a population of people who are primarily coming from a third world country? We can't sustain this at the rate it's been happening, it's not possible.

[JUPITERASC]

Again, that is yours and Marks opinion;http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif it doesn't necessarily make it the only factor in what has happened to this country economically. It's one of several factors. .
We are discussing Joblessness leading to Homelessness specifically. :smile:
It comes down to the best interests of the average American being held hostage to the political atmosphere in this country that seems to reward those elected to help restructure the system for doing absolutely nothing of any benefit.

When the fringe elements of either party begin to set party platforms and shape (or block) legislation, the majority of us in the middle go unheard/unhelped. When a minority party (tea, anyone?) has the ability to prevent forward motion by refusing to compromise, we no longer have a democracy.

[kimbermoon]

[QUOTE=astrologer50;328581]nice example JA,

I like David Icke he's always knocking the establishment and kabals etc.

4 stars for the movie Zeitgeist! finally people are starting to Wake Up, because they are being forced to...I would beware of David Icke however because his personal videos are but a surface disguise...he has also been accused of being part of the new world order and thus his 'nice spiritual guy' routine is not genuine...rather it is being used as a distraction...not looking for debate on this topic, I'm just saying....

On poverty...Canada was supposed to end child poverty by the year 2000...it has only gotten worse:

Have you ever had to walk a fair distance to get supplies from the grocery store and then stuggling to walk back home with it?...this incurred the necessity of having to make several trips a week for smaller amounts of necessities... this is especially difficult during heavy rain and snow...Have you ever had your power cut off because you had to use your small paycheck for necesssites [like food] and not pay the bill? Have you ever run out of food three days before payday? Have you ever subsisted on rice and fried bread while waiting for payday? have you had the heat turned off, or lived in a perfect breeding ground for mold? In such conditions, illness follows...Have you ever had to rely on food banks for a few necessities? Have you ever run out of toilet paper a day before payday? Have you ever skipped meals in order to feed your children? Have you ever had to live with just one or two sets of clothing? Have you ever had to do your laundry in the bath-tub due to lack of appliances?...that is tough work, let me tell you.Have you ever had to buy socks and underwear from the thrift stores? "have you ever had to build a bed out of a cardboard box"- Pink Dear mr.President. Ever had to use a public pay phone to make emergency calls? have you ever had to suffer more through colds and flus because you couldn't afford the medicines?

Have you ever been a single working dad with five young children and been forced to live in a tent all summer long? these are the many faces of being poor and indeed it is very hard work...the only concern is the struggle for survival...these are the hardships that normal people fail to consider when they have not experienced such adversity.

If you have never had to walk a mile in those moccasins please be more generous and understanding of the homeless and the street people...it all makes this 'tent city' movement all the more honorable where people are willing to give up all the comforts for a cause...please speak up for their cause without harsh judgment and support them against the authorities that want to tear them down and chase the people off...there is no righteousness in that and the governmental policing should be ASHAMED of their actions...

[Vista]

Ok, Twelthnight, Mark and Jupiter...off to my own thread. Please join in if you feel like contributing. Obviously we are on different spectrum's of what our beliefs are, but I like the different opinions of all even though is a passionate subject for many.

[Vista]

[QUOTE=astrologer50;328581]nice example JA,

I like David Icke he's always knocking the establishment and kabals etc.

4 stars for the movie Zeitgeist! finally people are starting to Wake Up, because they are being forced to...I would beware of David Icke however because his personal videos are but a surface disguise...he has also been accused of being part of the new world order and thus his 'nice spiritual guy' routine is not genuine...rather it is being used as a distraction...not looking for debate on this topic, I'm just saying....

On poverty...Canada was supposed to end child poverty by the year 2000...it has only gotten worse:

Have you ever had to walk a fair distance to get supplies from the grocery store and then stuggling to walk back home with it?...this incurred the necessity of having to make several trips a week for smaller amounts of necessities... this is especially difficult during heavy rain and snow...Have you ever had your power cut off because you had to use your small paycheck for necesssites [like food] and not pay the bill? Have you ever run out of food three days before payday? Have you ever subsisted on rice and fried bread while waiting for payday? have you had the heat turned off, or lived in a perfect breeding ground for mold? In such conditions, illness follows...Have you ever had to rely on food banks for a few necessities? Have you ever run out of toilet paper a day before payday? Have you ever skipped meals in order to feed your children? Have you ever had to live with just one or two sets of clothing? Have you ever had to do your laundry in the bath-tub due to lack of appliances?...that is tough work, let me tell you.Have you ever had to buy socks and underwear from the thrift stores? "have you ever had to build a bed out of a cardboard box"- Pink Dear mr.President. Ever had to use a public pay phone to make emergency calls? have you ever had to suffer more through colds and flus because you couldn't afford the medicines?

Have you ever been a single working dad with five young children and been forced to live in a tent all summer long? these are the many faces of being poor and indeed it is very hard work...the only concern is the struggle for survival...these are the hardships that normal people fail to consider when they have not experienced such adversity.

If you have never had to walk a mile in those moccasins please be more generous and understanding of the homeless and the street people...it all makes this 'tent city' movement all the more honorable where people are willing to give up all the comforts for a cause...please speak up for their cause without harsh judgment and support them against the authorities that want to tear them down and chase the people off...there is no righteousness in that and the governmental policing should be ASHAMED of their actions...

I have lost everything I have ever worked for, my job, my home, my life savings, my credit, my health, my car. I know what it's like to earn a great living and to now not even able to find a minimum wage job. So with so many American citizens facing such adverse conditions, why would we continue to allows millions of people come here illegally to drain our system more? I am starting my own thread, please feel free to comment. Thanks.

[JUPITERASC]

[QUOTE=astrologer50;328581]nice example JA, I like David Icke he's always knocking the establishment and kabals etc.

4 stars for the movie Zeitgeist! finally people are starting to Wake Up, because they are being forced to...

I would beware of David Icke however because his personal videos are but a surface disguise...he has also been accused of being part of the new world order and thus his 'nice spiritual guy' routine is not genuine...rather it is being used as a distraction...not looking for debate on this topic, I'm just saying....

On poverty...Canada was supposed to end child poverty by the year 2000...it has only gotten worse:

Have you ever had to walk a fair distance to get supplies from the grocery store and then stuggling to walk back home with it?...this incurred the necessity of having to make several trips a week for smaller amounts of necessities... this is especially difficult during heavy rain and snow...Have you ever had your power cut off because you had to use your small paycheck for necesssites [like food] and not pay the bill? Have you ever run out of food three days before payday? Have you ever subsisted on rice and fried bread while waiting for payday? have you had the heat turned off, or lived in a perfect breeding ground for mold? In such conditions, illness follows...Have you ever had to rely on food banks for a few necessities? Have you ever run out of toilet paper a day before payday? Have you ever skipped meals in order to feed your children? Have you ever had to live with just one or two sets of clothing? Have you ever had to do your laundry in the bath-tub due to lack of appliances?...that is tough work, let me tell you.Have you ever had to buy socks and underwear from the thrift stores? "have you ever had to build a bed out of a cardboard box"- Pink Dear mr.President. Ever had to use a public pay phone to make emergency calls? have you ever had to suffer more through colds and flus because you couldn't afford the medicines?

Have you ever been a single working dad with five young children and been forced to live in a tent all summer long? these are the many faces of being poor and indeed it is very hard work...the only concern is the struggle for survival...these are the hardships that normal people fail to consider when they have not experienced such adversity.

If you have never had to walk a mile in those moccasins please be more generous and understanding of the homeless and the street people...it all makes this 'tent city' movement all the more honorable where people are willing to give up all the comforts for a cause...please speak up for their cause without harsh judgment and support them against the authorities that want to tear them down and chase the people off...there is no righteousness in that and the governmental policing should be ASHAMED of their actions...
Speaking of Zeitgeist http://vimeo.com/13726978 :smile:

American life not only accommodates billionaires living in modern-day palaces but also simultaneously includes the homeless who exist in utter desolation - clearly similar situations exist in Third World countries, but Americans are not Third World citizens... outsourcing of work to countries where labour is cheaper as tsmall has said and I quote
Regarding the lack of jobs here in the US, again in my opinion, we need to look at both our trade agreements, and the tax incentives given to corporations/companies who are able to ship their manufacturing, help desk, outsourcing, etc. to countries where labor is cheaper, leaving fewer and fewer jobs here in the US. This is why we have become a consumerist society...we aren't making much these days, and most of what we use is now being imported.
these actions result in a consumerist society only some of whom can afford to consume :smile:

[Vista]

Posted on the wrong thread

[Vista]

To start your own thread Vista you would (if for instance you intend to begin a 'Hot Topic') click with your mouse on where it says 'Hot Topic Area' at the top of this page. Then scroll down the page until you find the words "NEW THREAD" written at the left. Click on that and then you can Title your new thread and begin posting. It makes no sense however to start a new thread on an already existent thread such as this one :smile:

I understand how to start a thread, which I just did. When I said "posted on the wrong thread," I meant to post my data on my own thread and since I had both windows open, I inadvertently posted it here instead. The site would not allow me to erase my post so that's why I wrote what I did.http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

[tsmall]

I think it's in part due to complacency that has left so many people struggling with joblessness and homelessness. The political and economic structures we all rail against now were agreeable when most everyone's needs were being met. And that's the point--in our complacency we allowed this mess to happen. Now we see people being forced to do things they previously never would have imagined, like living in a tent while working a full time job for minimum wage because of the lack of affordable housing. When there's plenty, no one usually worries about what others are getting as long as their needs are being met. Now we see people looking at what resources are available, and trying to hoard them/allocate them based on his/her own determination of who is or is not worthy...rather than trying to discover where more resources might come from...

[tsmall]

http://www.playspent.org/

Click on accept the challenge, and see how long you can last below the poverty level. The goal is to get through one month.

[JUPITERASC]

I think it's in part due to complacency that has left so many people struggling with joblessness and homelessness. The political and economic structures we all rail against now were agreeable when most everyone's needs were being met. And that's the point--in our complacency we allowed this mess to happen. Now we see people being forced to do things they previously never would have imagined, like living in a tent while working a full time job for minimum wage because of the lack of affordable housing. When there's plenty, no one usually worries about what others are getting as long as their needs are being met. Now we see people looking at what resources are available, and trying to hoard them/allocate them based on his/her own determination of who is or is not worthy...rather than trying to discover where more resources might come from...

Exactly tsmall, when our needs are being met we are more relaxed and so perhaps as you say this resulted in a tendency to complacency which led to our not challenging the political and economic structures we used to find so agreeable when all was well with our own particular life - but which now are causing us to seriously reconsider their continued justification http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eRooYZJL-E

There are many kinds of revolutions—political, economic, industrial, scientific, artistic and so on. But no matter how external factors change, the world will never get better as long as people remain selfish and apathetic. As John F. Kennedy said, in 1963, “Our problems are man-made—therefore, they can be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants.”

An inner change for the better in a single person is the essential first turn of the wheel in the process of making the human race stronger and wiser. This “human revolution” is, I believe, the most fundamental and most vital of all revolutions. This kind of revolution—an inner process of self-reformation—is completely bloodless and peaceful. In it everyone wins and there are no victims - Daisaku Ikeda
https://www.facebook.com/pages/We-the-people-say-NO-to-a-war-or-attack-on-Iran/181256718624628 :smile:

[astrologer50]

JA, please could you repost the link for the youtube film *the Thrive* I think it was called? I did watch it and thoroughly enjoyed.....

[astrologer50]

I've found this very common with lots of David Icke stuff and David Wilcox, strange but true....someone 'big brother' is trying to be selective what we view.

Same thing about Free Energy, people just disappear, but these days with the internet it must be much harder. If some genius were to reveal Free Energy stuff it would go like wildfire viral worldwide. I Live for the day some altrustic science nut thinks we should all have free energy, rather than billionaires, treating us like puppets in a huge game.....

[JUPITERASC]

Same thing about Free Energy, people just disappear, but these days with the internet it must be much harder. If some genius were to reveal Free Energy stuff it would go like wildfire viral worldwide. I Live for the day some altrustic science nut thinks we should all have free energy, rather than billionaires, treating us like puppets in a huge game.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXSsRXBckIY Nikola Tesla Free Energy Generator Patented in 1901 more at this link on the Nikola Tesla and Free Energy Thread :smile: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41678

[astrologer50]

I know it's outrageous, I just hope we get another Tesla in my lifetime that can be brave enough to share before the fat cats make then disappear again and go viral using the internet...... It has to happen sometime.... doesn't it?

I think it was your thread that prompted me..

forever the optimist...

[Mark]

If Nikola Tesla were born today, he would be medicated into uselessness. If anyone tries to be a Tesla, you will never hear about their work. The sons of plunder are too well entrenched. I guarantee that you will see the United States publicly implement some kind of unconstitutional control over the internet within the next 10 years. They're already doing it, of course. They just haven't gone public with the fact yet. They're already talking about it in a way that the public might accept: under the guise of stopping copyright infringement.

[JUPITERASC]

If Nikola Tesla were born today, he would be medicated into uselessness. If anyone tries to be a Tesla, you will never hear about their work. The sons of plunder are too well entrenched. I guarantee that you will see the United States publicly implement some kind of unconstitutional control over the internet within the next 10 years. They're already doing it, of course. They just haven't gone public with the fact yet. They're already talking about it in a way that the public might accept: under the guise of stopping copyright infringement.

the following is a link to details on that very topic Mark :smile:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/245081/senator_vows_to_topple_antipiracy_bill_with_stopce nsorshiporg.html

Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, is calling on the public to help fight two Internet censorship bills, the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), and the Protect IP Act (PIPA). Wyden is also threatening to filibuster the legislation if it comes up for a vote. Wyden claims both bills will do damage to the economy and restrict free speech.


The Protect IP Act is a piece of anti-piracy legislation that, if passed, will allow theU.S. Department of Justice to seek court orders that will require Internet service providers to shut down websites accused of copyright infringement.

PIPA is the Senate version of the anti-piracy bill, and was introduced in May 2011, while SOPA is the "corrected" House version, and was introduced at the end of October. Among other things "corrected" in SOPA, there's a new provision that makes posting YouTube videos with copyrighted music--even if it's playing in the background--a felony.

[tsmall]

Joblessness, tent cities, complacency, the elite holding all the power and moving behind the scenes to manipulate the masses...

I wonder what the stars were saying just before the signing of the Magna Carta? In my fanciful, I need something to think about while performing thoughtless tasks way, I couldn't help but wonder at the parallels between what is currently happening in the US and what was happening in England then. Consider that the wealth of the barons came on the backs of the masses, and that while times were good they had no beef with the King. However, after a couple of crusades (or unpaid for wars?) the treasury was empty, and the economy of the masses was in shambles. Everything was fine when the barons could meet their tax obligations based on the revenues generated from a feudalist economy...but it wasn't until the King raised taxes to the point that the <wealthy?> felt the pinch that real change was made...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta#The_Great_Charter_of_1215

15 June 1215, Runnymede...anyone have a time to make a chart? maybe noon would work, since most things were decided then after the sun was well up...

[JUPITERASC]

Named "Camp Take Notice" and with a strict set of rules - a Tent City in Michigan houses the jobless while nurturing community spirithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJwhgP_oZ5M&feature=related:smile:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJwhgP_oZ5M&feature=related)

[JUPITERASC]

"Hurricane Sandy refugees say life in tent city feels like prison

Desperate for shelters, New York considers turning jail cells into homes

Residents Worry About a FEMA Camp Being Set Up in Linden

AC shelter closes, dozens in the streets": http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8881129

[kimbermoon]

thanks for the link...it seems we have little media reporting in main stream news [deliberate media blackout?] This is just disgusting and there is no reason for such an oppression of those individuals. Truly, where is the government help when you truly need it? They shoud be ashamed, yet they will still host a presidenial ball, I suppose.:devil: