Oct. 2011 Full Moon. Sabians!

[piercethevale]

I've been at this keyboard since 11:30 am today and it is now 10:15 pm...busy, busy day...[and once I finish writing this...it's going to get boozey...I deserve it...IMHO]
So, I'm going to try to be brief here.
All the Full and New Moons and eclipses etc. for quite some time have been right with the Tenor of what's been going on in the world...this one is no different...and may actually be even MORE SO...
This Wednesday [Tuesday eve here in Calif.] is the Full Moon and it will be with the Moon and Sun in Aries/Libra @ 18* 24'.
The Sabian Symbol for the Moon in the 19th degree of Aries is [From Rudhyars' book]:

"THE "MAGIC CARPET" OF ORIENTAL IMAGERY.

KEYNOTE: The use of creative imagination.

A way of life refusing a hectic involvement in social competition and waste-producing overproduction allows for the development of unattached and transcendent understanding.

[Lynda Hill's version]
"A MAGIC CARPET HOVERS OVER THE DEPRESSING REALITY OF EVERYDAY LIFE IN AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. "...shows the contrast of a life based on material production and consumption, with its resulting pollution, and the need for escape to the magic and beauty of life..."

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...so, The Moon & the sun are trying to find a way to synthesize the opposing degrees and symbols.
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The sun at the 19th of Libra is by Sabian Symbology [Rudhyar]:

"A GANG OF ROBBERS IN HIDING.

KEYNOTE: Protest against disharmonic social privilege.

The protest against an unbalanced society with its rigid stratification into classes...

Lynda Hill's book; the commentary includes:
"Big business ripping off 'the little guy' "

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I have one word for this....

WOW
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the Moons' North Node for this event,[ what the significance of all astrological activity this day is to world society means] is in the 16th of Sag. [Rudhyar]:

" SEA GULLS FLY AROUND A SHIP IN EXPECTATION OF FOOD.

KEYNOTE: The easily acquired dependence of psychic desires upon the stimulation of social circumstances.

... man's restless ambition to dominate the entire biosphere through an all-human planetary socioeconomic organization. This is a symbol of [Rudhyars' Keyword] DEPENDENCE."

Lynda Hill's commentary includes:
"...Who's looking for scraps? Are they worth it? People who settle for very little often find that very little is what they end up getting...."


...so, the obvious question...
What are you..and all the folks filling the streets this month... willing to settle for?
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ps. Ceres...the influence of nurturing...will be in the 19th of Pisces...and all of you folks that have been following my thread "The astrological birth Chart of Jesus?" already know that the 19th of Pisces is what that chart produces for the Part of Fortune [and is my Part of {Spiritual} Inheritance & Legacy]:
...somebody cue the music for the Christians and other believers in Avatars here...
"A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE.[S]"

TESTIFY...!


[THE EVENT CHART...and please note... I now use Whole House for World events... as this is not a localized thing...I just, today, realized that Whole House is the only proper chart presentation of such events that pertain to all of humanity...IMHO..ptv]

[deleted multiple quotes from the same book over 100 words in the same post against forum rules - Moderator]

[Rushwing]

Wow, I really was skeptical about Sabian stuff until I started to have these kinds of brain tehsplodes regarding moon signs and sabian messages. Thanks!

This is actually my first post in the sabian group, but I just had to say

You have just given me another wonderful rush of excitement and awe.

I'm going to pay attention to the full moon sabians from now on.

The moon IS the unconscious.

IT DOES influence the masses. It just never occured to me to look at the sun/moon point that way.

AWESOMESAUCE
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[piercethevale]

Thanq yeaux ////||||\\\\ you may not realize how much compliments and testimonials such as yours does for me [Awww, look what you've done...you've encouraged Him and now we may never be rid of Him.]
I figured that if I keep posting examples of the various ways in which Sabians can be used and the application of the definition and what it means to the 'mechanical side' of Astrology...that eventually a few ...may be more...would 'SEE' and understand that they are not just some 'sideshow curiosity' but a most valuable component...if not downright, out and out, essential and necessary to fully understanding the intent of the aspects of an astrological event...that is the 'effect' either as to what, generally although quite often specifically, as indicated by the Sabian Symbol...and most very often with the additional help of these wonderful definitions/commentaries by Dane Rudhyar...and not to forget, Lynda Hill as well.
Originally, I just wanted to get some well trained and notable Astrologers to take a good look at that chart, I produced, that I claim is the birth chart of Jesus/Yeshua, recognize it, confirm it, affirm it and then 'run with it'. But, alas that didn't happen as instantaneously as I had figured it would. I didn't realize how very few Sabian Astrologers there are in the world...and how very few of all other types of Astrologers consider the Sabians to be of any veracity and the even fewer that employ them in any way at all. I retired from my career/occupation back in May 2000 due to disabling injuries and at that time thought that the injury lawsuit wouldn't take long and I'd have a settlement and all the world just outside my door...the lawsuit dragged on...complications arose...and to pass the time I figured I'd go to the local library now and then and tool with the computer ephemeri I had just learned of to poke around the past to see if there was a possible 6 pointed matrix [Star of David] in the skies any where on or near those times given as possible birthdays of the Man from Nazareth. I took this task, because, Dane Rudhyar give a indirect [yet, unmistakable] ref. to that being the prerequisite for the birth of the Messiah according to, what could have only been, Hebrew Kaballistic Astrologers...and is also given as such by a couple of other sources I ran across many years ago before I was into Astrology. Well, I never did look too hard for the Magen David as the date I have for the birth is the one I started with as it was given by Edgar Cayce and because I had been studying/reading Cayce since 1961-2 and my parents since the 40s, I was most convinced of Edgar Cayces talent as being genuine . Once I saw the Sabians on that chart I knew it was the real deal...and as I always had figured that the Jews should certainly be able to recognize the Messiah when he/she does appear at last...if any one could it would be them...[and also because Edgar Cayce said that Jesus was not the Messiah] that I didn't need to look over a 10 to 15 year time span for a Magen David in the Heavens.
So, I figured that I'd best stick around this forum and demonstrate applications of Sabian Symbology to Astrology and after some time...one day...some one is going to say...[besides me and my clairvoyant friend , Clarisse]..."That's the chart of Mr. ben David ...and I can fade to the back and exit the stage. [although Lynda Hill has admitted it...without 'specifically or publicly stating so...and I can't blame her as that is going out on a limb for someone that depends on this 'craft' as a sole source of income]
Thank you Rushwing!
ptv

[piercethevale]

Wow, I really was skeptical about Sabian stuff until I started to have these kinds of brain tehsplodes regarding moon signs and sabian messages. Thanks!

This is actually my first post in the sabian group, but I just had to say

You have just given me another wonderful rush of excitement and awe.

I'm going to pay attention to the full moon sabians from now on.

The moon IS the unconscious.

IT DOES influence the masses. It just never occured to me to look at the sun/moon point that way.

AWESOMESAUCE
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Also, btw, I have some posts/threads from earlier this year in which I discuss the 'Saros' r.e. the 666 Sun/Moon eclipses...why Tropical is the only Zodiac to consider etc. This is because I realized [while looking up the definition of a "Planet" to get a further grasp on what the small contingent [that I will swear is a deliberate conspiracy ] of professional Astronomers that demoted Pluto used as legitimate reason[s] [and, btw, there aren't any...the only thing they could use as an excuse is that this UB 313 aka Eris, is larger and isn't at all in anything like an orbit...and UB 313 is really something very peculiar and ..ahem... not 'natural' according to my clairvoyant friend., of whom I'm quite of her talent and don't question what she 'Sees' either in the past or the present.]
I never gave it any thought but that the Hebrews [and most likely the ancient civilizations that were very adept at Astrology as a science from which we get our present core of astrological knowledge and lore from diluted and somewhat polluted ...but the Hebrew is the version that is most intact and likely the least polluted] observe, and most reverently so, the passing of time by the Moons phases which is slightly less than one true orbit of the Moon. This and the 666 being attributed to the 'Saros ' and what that is, along with the fact that the birth chart I claim is that of Jesus and of which my clairvoyant friend not only helped rectify by noticing that the chart I had produced at first was: quote "Somethings wrong. There's no Moon and the Moon should be bright and full" she also confirmed and avowed to the one I produced for the following day as being "IT" contributed to me finally realizing the great significance to the New Moon, Full Moon and Solar eclipses that was attributed to by the ancients especially the Hebrews. [as I didn't realize that as of the beginning of 2001 we have to add another day when converting Julian Calendar dates to Gregorian Calendar dates ...and she was 'Dead On'...as you can check out for your self...the Moon was about one day shy of being trully 'Full' but the eve before and right after is always a bigger and brighter Moon than the true Full Moon...as you can discover for yourself the reason by standing in front of a mirror and shining a flash light directly back at yourself compared to holding it, oh say, 10 or 15 degrees to one side and shining it at yourself in the mirror...the slightly indirect light does return more fully and and with more intensity] All this along with the fact that the degrees of the Zodiac applied 2000 years ago is still the same today along with the Sabian Symbols still being in the same degree of the Zodiac now as they were then and that Aries 01* is always the first day of the Spring Equinox gave me the epiphany that it really has nothing to do with the constellations....the ancients new of the cycle of the Yugas [Vedic Knowledge] and that Humankind was dumbing down ...that is the result half the Yuga and gave the constellations as mnemonics of a sort so as the knowledge could be carried into the future....as it is not that easy to determine the Equinox and so as to inscribe in the stars these archetypes of the Signs as another mnemonic to remind all and of one that could not be altered or destroyed as could any book or carving or tablet. [as I am one that does believe that the 'Prince of Lies' certainly exists and makes His number one priority.]...so, the obvious conclusion is...it's not some star or group of stars a hundred thousand light years away that is bestowing these influences...it's our own Sun...and that also gives a lot of insight/revelation etc. as to why the ancient Sun Rites were and still are most reverent, effective, honored ...and rightly so.
...thus it is the Earth in interface with the Sun ...in the same manner as the Moon in interface with the Sun for the Hebrew months, the eclipses marking the Yugas and the births of the Avatars over the ages [which I explain...illustrate fully in those other posts/threads] that is the point/time of reckoning

[Mark]

Getting back to the nearing full Moon, I see this as an orderly step in a much larger process. If any manifestations should be physically noticed, I would expect them to come in the form of disgusting acts of depravity. How do you spark people to become better people? Show them the dirty side of humanity such that they can't look away. Then they can start to change their perspective. Without being exposed to intolerable acts, why would anyone not tolerate the world going to hell in a hand basket? TiVo, cell phones, movies, and music all work to keep people complacent. As long as my digital cable still works, why should I risk my job/home/safety to change something about which I don't care? Times like these will instill in people a fear of authority. It won't effect all people. We will not all be unified on one side. We will be split brother against brother. In the coming days, there will be loyalists and revolutionaries. This full Moon looks to be a step down that road.

[piercethevale]

Getting back to the nearing full Moon, I see this as an orderly step in a much larger process. If any manifestations should be physically noticed, I would expect them to come in the form of disgusting acts of depravity. How do you spark people to become better people? Show them the dirty side of humanity such that they can't look away. Then they can start to change their perspective. Without being exposed to intolerable acts, why would anyone not tolerate the world going to hell in a hand basket? TiVo, cell phones, movies, and music all work to keep people complacent. As long as my digital cable still works, why should I risk my job/home/safety to change something about which I don't care? Times like these will instill in people a fear of authority. It won't effect all people. We will not all be unified on one side. We will be split brother against brother. In the coming days, there will be loyalists and revolutionaries. This full Moon looks to be a step down that road.
[I apologize for the rambling..near incoherent mess that last post of mine is...I wrote it immediately after awakening today but before coffee ...I'll try to edit it later...or not as I think most folk won't even read it ..and for those that will... the key points are mentioned.
But as to what you're saying Mark,
I believe these may be the times that Edgar Cayce predicted where-in it will be brother versus brother ...but not over racial or non-secular matters but rather one of privilege ...the 'Haves' vs the 'Have-nots'

[Rushwing]

why Tropical is the only Zodiac to consider etc

This is very interesting. . . I feel strongly about this right now because I find a) rhythmic cylces of solar energies are dominant over stars and b) tropical is currently most accessible to the people to use for their own empowerment. Granted I didn't read all of your second post because I am slightly dyslexic ...

But I am VERY interested in this stuff and what you have to say (especially if we are a small group), so if you could format and edit a little more with some paragraph breaks for us types prone to eyestrain I would AAA LOVE THAT. :pinched:

Can I share my moment of awakening?

It was when I was looking up the moon sign sabian for JRR Tolkien.

It is Aquarius 30

The field(garden) of Ardath (Babylon) in bloom.

WOOOOOOOAAAH WAOAAOAOOAOAOAOAOAH

That's what he created and gave birth to in his books, his own mystic garden. (Middle Earth with all it's history and fertility) WOOOAH

The moon isn't just the placenta we were born from, it's also something we create for others. Its very linked to the golden rule for me.

This is when I finally understood what the moon is all about and also that the sabian degree for the moon has a secret message for what the person wishes to create for themselves, their own sacred birth to give for the world.

I'm still working out though, if it is always something beyond consciousness, only to be released into physical manifestation with the aid of other planetary bodies.

MORE EXAMPLES:

Jon Stewart's Sabian:

Sag something can't remember the exact degree: BUT
A CHINESE LAUNDRY...

And what does he do? He airs the dirty laundry of our corrupt politicians and media, all with a very light and self-effacing sense of humor, giving us a fresh relief from all the egotistical lying cr*p out there.

I started with the moon because the median who channeled the symbols was a woman and the moon is the closest thing we have to a divine mother concept in a chart. IMHO. . .

And so, I've been doing this research on all these other celebrities/artists/writers/scientists. Hopefully I will have a list for each degree of the zodiac corresponding with all these moon signs.

Still haven't quite figured out how Sabians and the Sun work out.. .and Saturn also is a big one for me. (I'm going through my saturn return in a few months) Also n and s nodes are still a puzzle.

But I've figured out ascend./desc. an mc/ic stuff. ITS REALLY WORKS IN NATAL CHART ANALYSIS, especially if you look at the four corners like a sacred geometry : D : D

My consciousness is leaving my ego behind. . .
A MIND IS A WONDERFUL THING TO LOSE ETC ETC

THIS IS SUPER SUPER HOT STUFF. Please feel free to share your stuff piercethevale...

I can't believe i was a skeptic before.