Pisces 11: Men Seeking Illumination

[sdh3]

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words of interpretation. Text accompanying the attached image reads as follows:

"Thousands of Thais and Buddhist monks light candles as they pray for Japan's earthquake and tsunami victims during a ceremony at Wat Dharmmakaya in Pathum Thani province, on the outskirts of Bangkok April 23, 2011."

[MaeMae]

i honestly read the heading first as
"pisces 11 men seeking humiliation"
i had to read it again then laughed at myself.

[sdh3]

i honestly read the heading first as
"pisces 11 men seeking humiliation"
i had to read it again then laughed at myself.

Funny, for sure, but not so far off as you might think. The next symbol is Pisces 12, which reads "An examination of initiates." One way in which that symbol manifests is in the hazing rituals carried out by pledges of college fraternities. When done with a sense of humor and a good dose of common sense, ritual humiliation of that sort can build group cohesion. When taken too far...well we have all heard those stories and there's no need to recount them here. As a picture for Pisces 12, the image that came to mind was one of the scenes from the original Animal House movie in the 1970's where the aspiring initiates into the frat are paddled on the backside by older frat brothers dressed in black, hooded robes. After each swat, the pledges were required to say, "thank you sir, may I have another." Obviously these things are the stuff of comedy but speak ultimately to the tests to which initiates into the "true" secret societies are put.

If you need a visual on the "men seeking Humiliation" scene from Animal House, here's a link (http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/kevinbacon_animalhouse.jpg)!

thoughtfully
sdh3

[piercethevale]

Funny, for sure, but not so far off as you might think. The next symbol is Pisces 12, which reads "An examination of initiates." One way in which that symbol manifests is in the hazing rituals carried out by pledges of college fraternities. When done with a sense of humor and a good dose of common sense, ritual humiliation of that sort can build group cohesion. When taken too far...well we have all heard those stories and there's no need to recount them here. As a picture for Pisces 12, the image that came to mind was one of the scenes from the original Animal House movie in the 1970's where the aspiring initiates into the frat are paddled on the backside by older frat brothers dressed in black, hooded robes. After each swat, the pledges were required to say, "thank you sir, may I have another." Obviously these things are the stuff of comedy but speak ultimately to the tests to which initiates into the "true" secret societies are put.

If you need a visual on the "men seeking Humiliation" scene from Animal House, here's a link (http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/kevinbacon_animalhouse.jpg)!

thoughtfully
sdh3

Thank You Sir...May I Have Another!

...and for others to consider. The symbols work in both directions. The counter clockwise route is the mundane or "Involutionary Path"...the other is considered the spiritual or "Evolutionary Path". [as put forth by the "Esoteric School of Astrology"...that is associated with the Theosophists...although I have proposed and pretty much illustrated that it begins at Virgo 30* for the "Evolutionary Path"...Rudhyar had proposed it but never attempted to demonstrate it in any of His writings...as far as I know...]
...Thus, it is implied in these two 'Precepts of Cosmic Law' [that are the Sabian Symbols.] that one's character/development/progress is examined at a point on ones spiritual path before the secrets/occult & esoteric knowledge that must not be given to the immature, unwise or foolish is bestowed.
As the two symbols brought up by sdh3 are so very much '[I]symbols of a spiritual path' it seemed to me to be a necessary point to make...as I am taking these opportunities to demonstrate and or illustrate the "Evolutionary" progression of symbolism.

[sdh3]

[QUOTE=piercethevale;318873] Thank You Sir...May I Have Another!

[It 's something to remember for some of us [ a very small number of us that know of this and avow for its' veracity] ...and for others to consider. The symbols work in both directions. The counter clockwise route is the mundane or "Involutionary Path"...the other is considered the spiritual or "Evolutionary Path". [as put forth by the "Esoteric School of Astrology"...that is associated with the Theosophists...although I have proposed and pretty much illustrated that it begins at Virgo 30* for the "Evolutionary Path"...Rudhyar had proposed it but never attempted to demonstrate it in any of His writings...as far as I know...]

ptv, thanks for the additional insights. Like you I have given some consideration to the matter of the "order" through which one can proceed through the symbols. I have focused on four paths. As you rightly note one can proceed one degree at a time in either "direction". That's setting aside the question of where to begin.

But we can also consider geometric paths. Both Jones and Rudhyar noted the importance of five-fold divisions of the Sabians. Rudhyar's wonderful insights about the cross and the star (http://www.mindfire.ca/The%20Sabian%20Symbols/An%20Astrological%20Mandala%20-%20The%20Cross%20and%20the%20Star.htm) is a wonderful. As you know he talks about two pentarhythmic processes or paths. Using Aries 1 as a starting point, there is a "story" or progression that can be seen moving from Aries 1 to Aries 2 and then 3, 4, and ending with Aries 5.

There is another five-fold path that unfolds if we proceed through the points of a five-pointed star, i.e. Aries 1, Gemini 13, Leo 25, Scorpio 07, and Capricorn 19. I call this pentagonal because it connects the points of the star along its periphery.

But you can also trace the path that DRAWS the star. That path is:

Aries 1, Scorpio 7, Gemini 13, Capricorn 19, and ending with Leo 25.

What I like about this one is that it also follows a 1-2-3-4-5 sequence because

Aries 1 = 1 because 1 is the first symbol of the first set of five symbols in that sign
Scorpio 7 = 2 because 7 is the second symbol in second set of five symbols in that sign
Gemini 13 = 3 because 13 is the third in the third set of five symbols
Capricorn 19 = 4 because 19 is the fourth in the fourth set of five symbols
Leo 25 = 5 because 25 is the fifth in the fifth set of symbols

And obviously you can do these "forward" and "backward."

So I guess what I've been trying to say is that there are many, many paths. Some involutionary, some evolutionary---just like in life ;-)

thoughtfully
sdh3

[piercethevale]

[QUOTE=piercethevale;318873]


...There is another five-fold path that unfolds if we proceed through the points of a five-pointed star, i.e. Aries 1, Gemini 13, Leo 25, Scorpio 07, and Capricorn 19. I call this pentagonal because it connects the points of the star along its periphery.

But you can also trace the path that DRAWS the star. That path is:

Aries 1, Scorpio 7, Gemini 13, Capricorn 19, and ending with Leo 25.

What I like about this one is that it also follows a 1-2-3-4-5 sequence because

Aries 1 = 1 because 1 is the first symbol of the first set of five symbols in that sign
Scorpio 7 = 2 because 7 is the second symbol in second set of five symbols in that sign
Gemini 13 = 3 because 13 is the third in the third set of five symbols
Capricorn 19 = 4 because 19 is the fourth in the fourth set of five symbols
Leo 25 = 5 because 25 is the fifth in the fifth set of symbols...


thoughtfully
sdh3

Now that I find most intriguing...I've never heard this observation before...[and my M.C. and Part of Fortune is the 25th of Leo...and that degree of Leo happens to the Part of Eros for the chart I propose is that of Yeshua/Jesus]
Now as Aries 01* is the Desc. i.e. the "WHERE-TO" of the above mentioned birth chart...the symbols in reverse order...i.e. starting at Cap. 19 then proceeding to Scorpio...or, quite likely in reverse order of what you've given...that is Leo 25* to Cap. 19* and so on...should produce an outline of action/purpose that brings one to a culmination at Aries 01* which in the case of Yeshua/Jesus represented that life form He became after the 'Transfiguration'...and this outline being composed of quintiles would indicate a path to such a culmination as one of a particular 'genius' so applied...
I like the sound of this...I'm going to be giving it some space on the front burner for awhile...
Kudos for such an interesting, intriguing and stimulating thread...
[and the 'Title' of which seems to have become the pervasive topic...for me at least.:biggrin::cool:]

[sdh3]

PTV: Now that I find most intriguing...I've never heard this observation before...

SDH3: nor have I. it's an sdh3 original ;-) filling out the forms for copyright and patent as we speak! But seriously, thanks as always for the valuable feedback.

PTV: and this outline being composed of quintiles would indicate a path to such a culmination as one of a particular 'genius' so applied... I like the sound of this...I'm going to be giving it some space on the front burner for awhile ...Kudos for such an interesting, intriguing and stimulating thread...and the 'Title' of which seems to have become the pervasive topic...for me at least

SDH3: as you know from our off-forum conversations, I'm working on my own set of interpretations of the 360 sabian symbols. I've got the first drafts of those done (http://www.scribd.com/collections/2338268/Sabian-Symbols)and am now editing them and re-writing the introduction chapter and appendices. It's slow going ;-(

My original plan had been to then produce a volume considering the symbols two at a time (oppositions), then another looking at them three at a time (trines), then four (squares/crosses) and finally a volume examining them five at a time (stars).

But the five-pointed stars are so fascinating--especially their very obvious "story" structure--that I may do that one first and the others later...or never ;-)

However, first things first and that means finishing the 360 interpretations upon which all subsequent groupings will be based.

thoughtfully
sdh3