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Shining Ray
12-11-2006, 09:02 PM
Here are some interesting charts to look at.:o :D

Paris Hilton

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Paris Hilton made a name for herself as a party hopping socialite and jet-setter, just about immediately becoming a regular in all the popular tabloids (which labeled her 'Paris the Heiress'). Hilton is the great-granddaughter of hotel mogul Conrad Hilton -- which makes her part of a very wealthy family. Born with the beauty of a model, she tried her hand at that profession for a while, along with acting in both television and film roles; she played herself in Zoolander, a satiric look at the world of high fashion, alongside Ben Stiller. But pampered Paris's forays into the real world with Nicole Richie (the daughter of singer Lionel Richie) for the reality series The Simple Life are what have made her a household name -- well, that and a certain scandalous video. Now she's well on her way to parlaying that celebrity into successful careers in film and fashion, among other things.

Judy Garland

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In her short troubled life, she went through half a dozen fortunes, married 5 times, and tried to commit suicide more than a dozen times. Judy was tragedy personified. There is something about her that affects people.

I've never been a big fan, but as I get older, I learn to appreciate her talent... her wit.. she was a very funny lady. She was also very sad. A set of tapes were released a couple of years ago, called Judy Speaks. It was Garland herself, dictating into a tape recorder what was to be her autobiography. These tapes should never have been made available to us, but historically, they are fascinating. To hear her go on - in anger about the different people that had ******* her over in life... well... its nice to know now at least they can hear it now from her own mouth. It's unsettling.

Judy Garland was dead at the age of 47. Official cause of death: Barbiturate Poisoning (quinalbarbitone), incautious self-over dosage, accidental.
The day Judy died, legend has it, there was a tornado in Kansas.

In the decades following her death, Judy Garland's troubled personal life, which contrasted so starkly with the exuberance and innocence of her film roles, has been the grist for numerous books and other accounts, to the point that her career is sometimes viewed more as an object lesson in Hollywood excess than as the remarkable string of multimedia accomplishments.

Garland's extensive work as a singer, including her appearances in films and on radio and television, in addition to live performances and studio recordings.


Biography

Entertainer Judy Garland was both one of the greatest and one of the most tragic figures in American show business. The daughter of a pushy stage mother.


Once very popular on the set due to her infectious high spirits, in the mid-'40s Garland became moody and irritable, as well as undependable insofar as showing up on time and being prepared. The problem was an increasing dependency upon barbiturates, an addiction allegedly inaugurated in the 1930s when the studio had Garland "pepped up" with prescription pills so that she could work longer hours. Garland also began drinking heavily, and her marriage was deteriorating. In 1945, she married director Vincente Minnelli, with whom she had a daughter, Liza, in 1946. By 1948, Garland's mood swings and suicidal tendencies were getting the better of her, and, in 1950, she had to quit the musical Annie Get Your Gun. That same year, she barely got through Summer Stock, her health problems painfully evident upon viewing the film. Before 1950 was half over, Garland attempted suicide, and, after recovering, was fired by MGM. Garland and Vincente Minnelli divorced in 1951, whereupon she married producer Sid Luft, who took over management of his wife's career and choreographed Garland's triumphant comeback at the London Palladium.

Riding high once more, Garland was later reduced to the depths of depression when she lost the Oscar to Grace Kelly. Her subsequent live appearances were wildly inconsistent, and her film performances ranged from excellent (Judgment at Nuremberg [1961]) to appallingly undisciplined (A Child Is Waiting [1963]). Her third marriage on the rocks, Garland nonetheless pulled herself together for an unforgettable 1961 appearance at Carnegie Hall, which led indirectly to her 1963 weekly CBS series, The Judy Garland Show. As with most of the significant moments in Garland's life, much contradictory information has emerged regarding the program and her behavior therein; the end result, however, was its cancellation after one year, due less to the inconsistent quality of the series (it began poorly, but finished big with several "concert" episodes) as to the competition of NBC's Bonanza.

Garland's marriage to Sid Luft, which produced her daughter Lorna, ended in divorce in 1965, and, from there on, Garland's life and career made a rapid downslide. She made a comeback attempt in London in 1968, but audiences ranged from enthusiastic to indifferent -- as did her performances. A 1969 marriage to discotheque manager Mickey Deems did neither party any good, nor did a three-week engagement at a London nightclub, during which Garland was booed off the stage. On June 22, 1969, Judy Garland was found dead in her London apartment, the victim of an ostensibly accidental overdose of barbiturates. Despite (or perhaps because of) the deprivations of her private life, Garland has remained a show business legend. As to her untimely demise, Ray Bolger summed it up best in his oft-quoted epitaph: "Judy didn't die. She just wore out." ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide

Tina Turner

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It's seems like, between the feature film what's love got to do with it and the best-selling autobiography upon which it is based, i, tina, there's not a person alive who isn't familiar with the cinderella story that is tina turner's life. born anna mae bullock to tenant farm workers in 1939, turner longed to escape the poverty and hardship of her hometown, nut bush, tennessee.

Salvation, however, would not come until 1956, when a seventeen year-old anna mae moved to st. louis to live with her mother and sister. older and more sophisticated, turner's sister, alline, took her young charge under her wing, exposing her to the bustling st. louis nightlife, of which she had already become an avid participant. it was at one of these evening outings that anna mae met ike turner, band leader of the local sensation, the kings of rhythm. a spectacular impromptu audition in front of a standing-room only crowd earned the would-be diva a spot as front woman for the kings, who soon came to be known as the ike and tina turner review.

perhaps the most highly-publicized aspect of turner's marriage to ike is the abuse that became an integral part of their relationship. for years, turner suffered in silence as her so-called husband used fear and intimidation to control his siren; despite being a skilled musician, ike realized that it was tina who was drawing the crowds and creating the record-selling hits. more than a decade of abuse came to a head when tina left ike with precious more than a gas card and a handful of change to her name. the ensuing divorce left tina responsible for months of unperformed bookings putting her deep into debt, even as she lived in fear of ike's retaliation. the early 1980s saw tina turner reemerge like a phoenix from the flames, with a new recording career and a highly-visible role in the mel gibson star vehicle mad max III: beyond thunderdome. with the release of private dancer, turner was back on top of her game, and has stayed there ever since. most recently, turner's status within the industry has been recognized with an invitation to perform at vh1's divas live 99 alongside fellow divas cher and whitney houston.

But the story of tina turner goes much, much deeper than what one can read in the pages of a book or view on the silver screen. tina turner is a cultural icon on par with billie holiday, aretha franklin or madonna. having overcome poverty and hardship to become one of the most successful entertainers in the industry, tina turner has broken down the racist and sexist walls that have insulated the world of rock music, paving the way for artists ranging from janis joplin to me'shell ndgeocello. her role as a feminist icon extends further, as her appeal as a woman and a performer shines brightly into her fifties. and, of course, the personal tribulations that afflicted her relationship with her former husband reveals a determination and strength upon which anybody undergoing desperate times can draw to see their way through.

When asked, once, why she chose to sing rock music, as opposed to the rhythm & blues most often associated with african-american artists, turner replied that she preferred rock because it tended to deal with happier subjects. and so, a young, troubled girl unwittingly comes to personify the expression "women in rock" by trying to give voice to her soul's pain. given all that she has undergone and all that she has come to represent, the term "diva" almost seems too diminutive.

P.S Charts to follow.

Shining Ray
12-11-2006, 09:28 PM
Chart 1 Paris Hilton

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Chart 2 Tina Turner

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Chart 3 Judy Garland

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23
12-11-2006, 09:56 PM
Unfortunately through logical deduction I know who is who and I know some of the celebrity's sun sign.

However, I will give a brief description each person without saying who it is:

1) NN conj moon in leo/8th - intense life of a party + lib MC - projection of luxury beauty + pluto in 10th and 11th house ruler sco - again control, power, intensity + nep 1st house conj sag asc - dreamy partying

2) Deep fire from within (sag sun + merc 4th) + a recognised talent for "portraying emotions" (a common trait of those in the profession) which is somehow contradictory to her ego (opp) + mars squ to form t-squ - difficulties in life and again a driving force + very earthy 2nd house with a dreamy quality to it + mars squ ura - a bit violence but also get go sponteneity in craft (ura in 10th)

3) introspective but mutable identity (12th house, gem) + obsessive/compulsive pain (plu squ chir) seen in public (chir in 10th), again mars squ ura - shocking violent acts + maybe known as a beauty in her time + semi-sq between merc and nep - confusion.

Shining Ray
12-11-2006, 10:09 PM
Oh yes the generational planets will give it away :o I feel so embarrassed. Thanks for telling me 23. I will change the thread rather than delete the whole thing.

I am so embarassed I will never come to this forum again out of shame.:D I am a Mercury in Pisces. :confused:

Shining Ray
12-11-2006, 10:27 PM
With Paris Hiltons chart for the wealth through her family. Cancer rules the 8th house, the ruler of the 8th the Moon is in Leo 8th Conjunct NN in Leo Opposed Venus in Aquarius 2nd. Venus Trine Jupiter/Saturn wealth from father/Grandfather. In my keywords folder the Moon rules hotels so maybe this is also telling for where the fortune comes from.

Venus in Aquarius 2nd rules the 10th/6th she has made a career out of being a rich socialite.

Shining Ray
12-11-2006, 10:34 PM
I am leaving the forum too embarassed to stay. :30: :D

freedomlover
12-11-2006, 10:50 PM
Shining Ray!!!!!! Wake up! Learn from this!

So.... it wasn't the "perfect" game in that it was a little too easy for some. However, think of all of those newbies to guessing games like this one (myself included) who would get great fun out of it. It was a perfect game if you look at it in that regard. AND I enjoyed getting the background on all the gals and the opportunity to see it in their charts.

If you want to make a harder game that takes a little more detective skill, then fine, by all means do so. I think there are many of us on this forum who really enjoy your "astro-sleuth" games. But don't knock this one. I think you did a fine job on it, as well.

cossie
12-12-2006, 02:55 AM
Great thread Shiningray!

I,along with so many other people Im sure, are very interested in seeing celebrity charts and its the first time Ive seen the chart for Paris Hilton,who intrigues so many people. I really pleased you posted this. Thankyou xx

Shining Ray
12-12-2006, 06:23 AM
Thanks Freedomlover and Cossie, I always think it is interesting to compare the different celebrity charts. And with the biographies you can see the charts come to life. It shows how Astrology really does work.

I have seen Tina's chart before as I was interested to see how the lovely wife beater Ike was shown in her chart. But I hadn't seen Judy Garlands chart to see how the deep depression and addictions were shown by the birth chart and you can really see the health problems for her. Paris Hiltons chart wow does money show in her chart.

I will get over my little mistake :) I am still learning, and it takes such a long time to learn this subject. But I love it so I will spend hours looking at different charts, and working out the meanings.

Shining Ray
12-12-2006, 06:52 AM
With Judy's chart and her Cancer Ascendant with Venus in Cancer 1st - this is how I perceived her when I was young and watched her musicals she did have a sweet vulnerability to her which you could warm to when watching her.

Her Chart ruler Moon in the critical degree of Sagittarius in the health house of the 6th and is involved in a t.square with a square to Saturn in the 4th, depression deeply affected her life. Saturn squares Mercury. And Mercury opposed the Moon from the 12th house.

Also the ruler of the 6th Jupiter forms a slightly wide Conjunction to Saturn in the 4th both on the NN.

I was looking to see if her death showed up in her chart, and the ruler of the 8th is Uranus which is the focal point of a t.square.

Mars in Sagittarius 6th opposed the Sun in Gemini 12th both Square to Uranus in Pisces 10th. Maybe this represents the accidental overdose which killed her.

Draco
12-12-2006, 09:21 AM
Oh yes the generational planets will give it away

You could have doctored the charts and got rid of the outer planets.

23
12-13-2006, 05:07 AM
Don't worry Shining, a "mistake" easily made. I'm glad that you at least put the charts up, we could at least see their characteristics!

Chin up :D

waterlilly
12-13-2006, 08:03 AM
I'm new to all this but, loved this thread!


Great stuff. Plus I don't understand what you got wrong. That's due to lack of Knowledge

Shining Ray!!!!!! Wake up! Learn from this!

So.... it wasn't the "perfect" game in that it was a little too easy for some. However, think of all of those newbies to guessing games like this one (myself included) who would get great fun out of it. It was a perfect game if you look at it in that regard. AND I enjoyed getting the background on all the gals and the opportunity to see it in their charts.

If you want to make a harder game that takes a little more detective skill, then fine, by all means do so. I think there are many of us on this forum who really enjoy your "astro-sleuth" games. But don't knock this one. I think you did a fine job on it, as well.

starlink
12-13-2006, 10:01 AM
Hi Shiny! Never feel embarressed!! You put a lot of work into setting up these three charts and explanations to it. Most of us are too lazy to even consider doing this so really, even if it not exactly as you planned, the effort was great and like the others also say, always interesting seeing charts of people we hear and heared so much about. Just go on doing what you are doing. Your input in the forum is very nice indeed:) Star.

starlink
12-13-2006, 01:47 PM
Hi Shiny, I tried to reply earlier on but for some strange reason my reply was not submitted so here I am again to tell you that I think that you are really doing your best. You should not feel bad when certain things dont work out the way you wanted it. It is the effort you put into it that counts and like the others also mentioned, there are so many others who are just learning and they can profit from these comparisons. Just go on doing what you are doing, you are really contributing to this forum. (big smile!) Star.

starlink
12-13-2006, 01:52 PM
Oh hé!!! It seems my former answer did come through so now you've got it twice.

Shining Ray
12-13-2006, 03:23 PM
Thanks for all the nice comments. I enjoy doing the charts and collecting all the information to go with them I think it makes good Astrological study. I am still learning myself and eventually after a lot more study I will be able to read charts better. So I like to collect charts and biographies and compare the life story to the chart. :)

astrobhadauria
12-16-2006, 03:44 AM
Dear,
Jupiter is the star those make famous in life by the beauty or by the money,if Venus and Sun both are trine by the Jupiter that means there are all posible in life.But when any Gochara star effects the way of Jupiter,that means unknown fears inter in the life.Modeling and Acting both have two difference meanings,modeling for making money and acting for making name,if any person thinking to go in both,that means the power fo mars is going fast,and there are more and more power genrated by people,it is the fect of Moon,some stars appears the power by the nature.mind only Sun is seeing,Moon is thinking,and Satrun is doing,others are suporters.