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piercethevale

08-09-2011, 01:25 AM

Greetings. I've been meaning to tackle this project for some time. I referring to what are known as the Arabic Parts/Lots, Hermetic Parts/Lots and all other 'Parts/Lots for which there is no known appellation or have yet to be recognized that are based on the Ascendant as the 'personal point' and either the Planets, the Luminaries, the Part of Fortune, or other House Cusps as the 'Significators' and the 'Triggers'. I am also going to include a few recognized [even if not well known] that have a determining formula that is aberrant from the standard of the Asc. as the 'Personal Point'...but those will come lastly.
I will list all using the Asc. as the 'Persoanl Point' to start. I will list them in order of their relation to the Sun...that is from Mercury to Pluto followed by the Sun and then the Moon.
I will give the formula and then any titles to these Parts/Lots that I know to be published. Those that I don't know to have no known title will remain blank. If any member has knowledge of a title for any of the blank ones or any other title to the titled ones please contribute. As the contributions appear I will edit this original list to include them.
As for those that remain blank I hoping we can get a discussion going here as to what they should be so titled. It will take some time to determine a consenus and it won't happen overnight. Once I believe we have a resounding consenus I will add a that title to the list but in the colour of purple so as not to confuse them with those that are presently known of and published. For those Part/Lot's presently unknown that might possibly get a contribution from 'channeled' sources I will will add in the colour of green. For any known title that might possibly be better described by a synonym that a member thinks is more appropriate I will add that in the colour of red...but may remove it if there is any outcry and I'm given good reason to disregard the suggestion.
This will take some time for me to create the entire list so bear with me...if something should disrupt my membership here I ask the Mods to consider allowing another member to continue this work and have access to the editing if that is possible or have a member copy all and then continue the work....whatever's the best in their estimation.
I am posting this in the Degree Symbols forum as I am a Sabian Astrologer...and thus, as I use Sabian Symbology as a tool of rectification, I feel it is best for all that it be placed here...as I may want to analyze any new contributions to the unknowns by applying it to well know personages and deliberating from there...but now without input and consensus from other members...especially those members versed and studied in Sabian Symbology.
As I believe and am sure some of you will agree that the only existing title for a formula may be entirely erroneous I will place an asterix by the existing name and refer to a footnote...and if there is a consensus or suggestion of another title I will include it in the appropriate color of purple, red or green with an asterix and refer to a footnote.
For those of you that adhere to other degree symbol sets please refrain...or start your own thread on this subject...thanks.
So, lets get started!
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:mercury:
Mercury
Asc. + Merc. - Sun: Commerce*, Cadecus, Communication, Intellect[...too close a word to Intelligence which Mars - Merc. has been est.], Ordinary Intellect[whatever that is], Vitality
Asc. + Merc. - Moon: Faith, Trust, Religion*, Modesty, Prejudice, Rumors[very dubious...Faith/Trust have been the overwhelming consensus for some time...I concur], Timidity and Hiding*, Travel[highly dubious...many other formula are given for Travel and diff. types of travel]
Asc. + Merc. - Venus: Art, Venture
Asc. + Merc. - Mars: Lawsuits, Disputes, Luck-Release[?], Innocence, Naivete
Asc. + Merc. - Jupiter: Hope, Association, Integrity, Sensitivity
Asc. + Merc. - Saturn: Danger, Violence, Debt
Asc. + Merc. - Uranus: Astrology*, Eccentricity
Asc. + Merc. - Neptune: Gossip, Intrusion
Asc. + Merc. - Pluto: Popularity*
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:venus:
Venus
Asc. + Venus - Sun: Love*, Appreciation, Beauty, Contentment, Intercourse*[Verbal, Trade, and for ??female??], Man's Marriage*, Peace, Property Management, Trickery and Deception of Men & Women*[Highly Dubious]
Asc. + Venus - Moon: Daughters, Comfort
Asc. + Venus - Merc.: Treasure, Merchants and their Work, Security
Asc. + Venus - Mars: Play, Plays[?], Rapid Change and Variety[?] Pastime [personal recreation]
Asc. + Venus - Jupiter: Praise, Praise and Acceptance, Love and Marriage*, Sentiment
Asc. + Venus - Saturn: Man's Marriage*, Fraudulent Marriage[and conditions fascilitating it], Sons In Law, Success in Investment[dubious as, either, Jupiter - Merc, or, Jupiter - Neptune, or, Moon - Saturn seem to be covering this] Contentment of the Soul
Asc. + Venus - Uranus: Fascination, Perversion
Asc. + Venus - Neptune: Deceit, Vanity
Asc. + Venus - Pluto: Popularity*, Influence
Asc. + Venus - Part of Spirit: Eros [one of the seven Hermetic Lots], Part of Venus, Pars Veneris, Love & Concord
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:mars:
Mars
Asc. + Mars - Sun: Commerce*, Business, Passion, Daring, Destruction, Lost Animal, Passion-Destructive [or] Sword,
Asc. + Mars - Moon: Trickery, Trickery and Deception of Men & Women* Intercourse*[Verbal, Trade, and for ??female??], Woman's Marriage*, Memory, Misconduct by Women, Timidity and Hiding*, Unchastity of Women, Hope
Asc. + Mars - Mercury: Intelligence, Skill, Wisdom, Mind[modern], Mind/Understanding/Intelligence of Male, Reasoning and Eloquence, Rectitude, Administrators
Asc. + Mars - Venus: Fulfillment, Disappointment*, Endings, Passion-Emotional & Affectionate, Obligation[s]
Asc. + Mars - Jupiter: Debate, Daring Action, Negotiation, Arrogance
Asc. + Mars - Saturn: Sickness, Danger, Enmity, Distress, Upset, Necessity and Wish[very dubious], Ancestors/Relations[day] Secret Enemies*, and the following as to being the diurnal formulae for the Part of Substanciae or Point of Substance, and also the, Lot of Accusation
Asc. + Mars - Uranus: Surprise, Homosexuality
Asc. + Mars - Neptune: Disappointment*, Popularity*, Personal Restraint
Asc. + Mars - Pluto: Preparation [Popularity. Both seem way off to me. This formula is the closest one I have seen or can imagine that would be a Part of War or a Part of Destructive Action]
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:jupiter:
Jupiter
Asc. + Jupiter - Sun: Increase & Benefits*, Fame, Recognition, Time for Action, Wisdom*, Happiness, Impression, Operations and Orders Medical Treatment* [In use since Greco-Roman times]
... [*dubious on "Time for Action" and "Impression". Fame, Recognition, Happiness and Increase & Benefits, i.e. $$$, do seem to go together...overwhelming consensus by noted use is currently "Increase and Benefits"], Parents[Traditional]*, Traditions and Knowledge of Customs/Affairs [unknown use as to natal or horary]
Asc. + Jupiter - Moon: Sons*, Dependence [could they mean dependents as in 'sons'?]
Asc. + Jupiter - Merc.: Benevolence, Assurance, Real Estate Investments
Asc. + Jupiter - Venus: Mothers Family, Marriage for Love or Love and Marriage*, Love*
Asc. + Jupiter - Mars: Discord, Controversy, Lonliness, Waste and Extravagance*, Discord
Asc. + Jupiter - Saturn: Brethren*, Death of Parents, Brothers and Sisters, Children*
Asc. + Jupiter - Uranus: Sudden Luck, Bequest
Asc. + Jupiter - Neptune: Speculation, Behest, Suicide[for Suicide I believe in the formula: Asc + Cusp 8th - Neptune, I've analyzed and seen many charts that support this]
Asc. + Jupiter - Pluto: Benevolence* [I'm figuring something more like Destructive Philosophy, Destructive Growth, Destructive Gifts, or Contrariness]
Asc. + Jupiter - Part of Spirit: Victory [one of the seven Hermetic Lots],Part of Jupiter, Happiness, Pars Iovis
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:saturn:
Saturn
Asc. + Saturn - Sun: Fatality, Fate, Tragedy, Brethren*, Conquest [use Jupiter if Saturn is Combust], Father*, Heaviness [use Jup. if Sat. is combust], Karma [Jup. if Sat. combust], Love of Brethren, Parents[Traditional]*, Allegiance
Asc. + Saturn - Moon: Hidden Identity, Influence, Oration
Asc. + Saturn - Merc.: Brethren and Friends, Destruction Occupation Severity[?], Faithfulness, Stability
Asc. + Saturn - Venus: Economy, Commerce, Fortune in Husbandry, Labor, Woman's Marriage*, Agriculture
Asc. + Saturn - Mars: Surgery*, Police, Army, Heavy Planet[?], Ancestors/Relations[night] and the following as to being the nocturnal formulae for the Part of Substanciae or Point of Substance, and also the, Lot of Accusation
Asc. + Saturn - Jupiter: Siblings and Family, Brethren*, Children*, Life, Re-Incarnation [I favor Re-inc. as per my exp. to date]
Asc. + Saturn - Uranus: Sudden Parting
Asc. + Saturn - Neptune: Slander, Timidity*
Asc. + Saturn - Pluto: Repression
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:uranus:
Uranus
Asc. + Uranus - Sun: Catastrophe, Bigotry, Lightning Flash[?], Ostracism & Loss,
Asc. + Uranus - Moon: Unusual Events, Misinterpretation,
Asc. + Uranus - Merc.: Messages and Astrology*, Originality
Asc. + Uranus - Venus: Wastefulness*
Asc. + Uranus - Mars: Transformation[a most doubtful title for this Part as Pluto is the Planet of Transformation], Unpreparedness, Intuitive Awareness of Higher Self
Asc. + Uranus - Jupiter: Happiness, Entertainment
Asc. + Uranus - Saturn: Exile, Confidence
Asc. + Uranus - Neptune: Termination, Occultism*
Asc. + Uranus - Pluto: Change
Asc. + Uranus - Part of Soul/Spirit:
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:neptune:
Neptune
Asc. + Neptune - Sun: Treachery, Madness, Self Entrapment
Asc. + Neptune - Moon: Duplicity, Delusion
Asc. + Neptune - Merc.: Fraud, Divination[very plausible]
Asc. + Neptune - Venus: False Love, Corruptness
Asc. + Neptune - Mars: Damage, Misunderstanding
Asc. + Neptune - Jupiter: Cancer, Malignancy
Asc. + Neptune - Saturn: Obstruction, Caution
Asc. + Neptune - Uranus: Occultism*, Guidance, Inspiration
Asc. + Neptune - Pluto: Slyness
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:pluto:
Pluto
Asc. + Pluto - Sun: Organization*, Gavel[?], Miracles
Asc. + Pluto - Moon: Influence and Magnetism
Asc. + Pluto - Merc.: Location
Asc. + Pluto - Venus: Libido, Energy, Stimulation
Asc. + Pluto - Mars: Strategy
Asc. + Pluto - Jupiter: Positive and Helpful Changes
Asc. + Pluto - Saturn: Organization*
Asc. + Pluto - Uranus: Radical Change
Asc. + Pluto - Neptune: Subtle or Hidden Changes
Asc. + Pluto - Part of Soul/Spirit
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:sun:
Sun
Asc. + Sun - Moon: [one of the seven Hermetic Lots] Soul, Spirit [Day Formula], Soul, Spirit, Fortune [Night Formula], Religion*, Pars Futurorum, Part of Things to Come, Pars Solis, Part of the Sun,
Asc. + Sun - Merc.: Liberty, Liberty of Person, Temperament
Asc. + Sun - Venus: Harmony*, Boredom, Dis-interest
Asc. + Sun - Mars: Retribution, Initiative
Asc. + Sun - Jupiter: Accomplishment, Histories and Science, Fame-Wisdom [Winstar software, Matrix Astrology Inc.]
Asc. + Sun - Saturn: Father*, Advancement, Celebrity of Rank [sounds a lot like 'Advancement'], Sudden Advancement[Use Jupiter if Saturn combust. Asc + Part of Fortune - Saturn is also given for Sudden Adv. and has my support...though the same formula is for the Part of Nemesis in the Hermetic Lots...it needs further observation and analysis may have to implement the 'Esoteric School of Astrology' theories on different direction of cycle as that would explain why it would be known as both Sudden Advancement or Nemesis...it would depend on ones orientation of direction through the Zodiac {Clockwise or Counter-Clockwise} as per "The Esoteric School of Astrology], Understanding and Wisdom[Dubious see Mars - Merc.]
Asc. + Sun - Uranus: Individuality, Intellectuality [to close a word to Intellect and Intelligence see Mars - Merc.]
Asc. + Sun - Neptune: Imprisonment and Captivity*, Genius
Asc. + Sun - Pluto: Interaction
Asc. + Sun - Part of Fortune: Noble and Illustrious Acquaintances-diurnal, Powerful Friends, Those Noble & Illustrious Acquaintances That Influence You
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:moon:
Moon
Asc. + Moon - Sun: [one of the seven Hermetic Lots] Fortune [Day Formula]Fortune, Spirit, Soul [Night Formula], Time of Marriage[I assume this is for Horary], Pars Fortunae, Part of the Moon
Asc. + Moon - Merc.: Service, Servants, Spiritual Service, Cooperation, Curiousity, Discernment and Education, Good Manners and Charm, Information, Knowledge of veracity and/or falsehood, Servants and Slaves, Slavery and Bondage[highly suspect...a product of the Dark Ages no doubt...Spiritual Service has been indicated here for every chart I've analyzed]
Asc. + Moon - Venus: Mother, Mind/Understanding/Intelligence of Female, Offspring
Asc. + Moon - Mars: Kings, Royalty, Rulers, Disassociation
Asc. + Moon - Jupiter: Luck, Sons*
Asc. + Moon - Saturn: Inheritance & Legacy, Spiritual Inheritance & Legacy- [of this I'm very convinced], Profession, Real Estate [non investment], Deep Reflection [contemplation?], Heritage, Magistery and Profession, Mastery, Possessions, Military & of Daring, Militiae et Audaciae

Asc. + Moon - Uranus: Friends, Dramatization
Asc. + Moon - Neptune: Insincerity [seems very wrong to me... as all Parts with Moon as significator are benevolent/positive it seems...see Neptune - Moon for comparison], Revelation [11/15/12 I am now convinced of Rev.]
Asc. + Moon - Pluto: Galvanization, Race and Race Consciousness[?]
Asc. + Moon - Pre-natal New or Full Moon [whichever was most recent]: Part of Hyleg
Asc. + Moon - Ruler Asc.: Daring, Strength, Dominion, [I] Audaciae, Fortitudinis, Dominii,
Asc. + Moon - Ruler Cusp12th: of Bondage, Killing Planet
Asc. + Moon - Cusp 8th: Ancestral Heritage
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:parsfortunae::northnode::lilth::chiron::alien:
Asc. + Other than Planets or Luminaries or - Other....

Asc. + Cusp 2nd - Ruler 2nd: Movable Property, Possessions
Asc. + Cusp 3rd - Mercury: Capacity of the Mind, Short Distance Travels
Asc. + Cusp 5th - Jupiter: Speculation
Asc. + Cusp 8th - Moon: Death & Disaster, Delays
Asc. + Cusp 8th - Neptune: Assassination, Suicide
Asc. + Cusp 9th - Mercury: Higher Education
Asc. + Cusp 9th - Uranus: Travel by Air [if Asc. - Mercury is Higher Ed. then surely Uranus would be the trigger for Higher Self Knowledge or Intuitive Understanding]
Asc. + Cusp 9th - Ruler 9th: Long Distance Travels, Land
Asc. + M.C. - Sun: Death of Brother
Asc. + Cusp 11th - Uranus: Imagination, Intuition
Asc. + Cusp 11th - Ruler 11th: Hopes & Wishes
Asc. + Cusp 12th - Ruler 12th: *Hermetic Lot of Secret Enemies
Asc. + Ruler 8th - Saturn: Peril
Asc. + Ruler 12th - Neptune: Assassination, Self Undoing [inclined to the former, see my thread on using Astrological Parts in Predictions]
Asc. + Part pf Fortune - Sun: Noble & Illustrious Acquaintances-nocturnal, Powerful Friends [the reverse of this formula having the Sun and Pof switch places is also given for this Part.Those That Will Perceive You As A Noble & Illustrious Acquaintance
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Saturn: Sudden Advancement [one of the seven Hermetic Lots] , Hermetic Part of Nemesis ...this is controversial...my guess/hunch is that it has to do with what the 'Esoteric School of Astrol. believes as to two ways to cycle the Zodiac..thus what appears to be ones Part of Sudden Advancement in the Mundane world is really ones 'Nemesis' as to their 'Spiritual Evolution'...this is my theory at the present...and one also has to question the true meaning of Nemesis...it is described as something or someone that dispenses retributive justice...it may be representative of some karmic condition that if met and resolved by a direct and conscious effort [and quite possibly too, if only by circumstance and not even recognized as some action or abstract of beingness accomplished or assumed by that very person them self] as a task or 'direct order' given or issued by the Cosmos/Creator that will then provide a 'sudden advancement' [a leap in career or research standing, recognition, influence renown etc and having thus done away with such a burden and then reaping what ever benefits/rewards the very act of accomplishing this task itself does provide, then will also bestow such tangible and or recognizable benefits that do give a person a discernible, attributable sudden advancement in accomplishing ones' dharma/life mission/ as wages, job/political/military/social titles, education, experience, wisdom, insight, social contact and commerce, etc.
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Cusp 1st: Sorrow, Business Injury
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Part of Soul: Merchandize
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Mercury: Necessity [one of the seven Hermetic Lots], Part of Mercury, Pars Mercurii, Poverty & Ordinary Intellect
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Mars: Courage [one of the seven Hermetic Lots], Daring, Part of Mars, Pars Martis
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Saturn: Sudden Advancement, Nemesis, Part of Saturn, Pars Saturni, Escape from Captivity, Heavy
Asc. + Part of Fortune - Neptune: Imprisonment
Asc. + Part of Spirit - Part of Fortune: Basis, [day formula. rev. for nocturnal according to some]
Asc. + S. Node - Neptune: Addiction
Asc. + 19* Aries - Sun: Nobility & Honor [day formula]
Asc. + 03* Taurus - Moon: Nobility & Honor [night formula]
Asc. + 10* Gemini -Sun: Death of Siblings
Asc. + 15* Cancer - Saturn: Travel By Water
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:sun::moon::mercury::venus::mars::jupiter::saturn: :uranus::neptune::pluto::northnode::lilth: :parsfortunae:
M.C. or any other House cusp as the Personal Point
M.C. + Sun - Moon: Destiny
M.C. + Moon - Sun: Vocation, Status
[all other House Cusps as the Personal Point]
C3rd + C9th - Mercury: Legal Affairs
C7th + Moon - Sun: Cooperation
C8th + Mars - Moon: Decapitation
C8th + Saturn - Moon: Death [medieval]
C9th + C3rd - Venus: Weddings
C10 + Saturn - Sun: Torture
C12th + Ruler 12th - Neptune: Bereavment
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:mercury::venus::mars::jupiter::saturn::uranus: :neptune: :pluto:
Any Planet as the Personal Point
Moon + Cusp 4th - Ruler Asc.: Part of Find [Lost object, obviously a Part that's used for Horary charts, exclusively also, I'd wager.]
Mars + Venus - Cusp 5th: Lovers
Mars + Neptune - Uranus: Assassination
Jupiter + Neptune - Uranus: Bankruptcy
Saturn + Jupiter - Sun: Leave Job

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* Astrology- both Merc. - Uranus & Uranus - Merc. are listed for Astrology
* Benevolence - for Jupiter - Pluto...as Pluto is the Higher Octave of Mars & as Jupiter - Mars = Discord this seems erroneous
* Brethren - way too many listed with this title
* Children - Both Asc + Jupiter - Saturn and Asc. + Saturn - Jupiter are given for this Part ...but I don't believe in either formula for a Part so named.
* Commerce - both Merc. - Sun and Mars - Sun are given for this but I am partial to Mars - Sun as according to Ursula Lewis
* Disappointment _ two different formulae, Mars - Venus & Mars - Neptune, & Mars - Venus is also titled Fulfillment. I believe Fulfillment is wrong as Venus - Mars is "Play" & benevolent thus something antonymious should be here. Mars - Venus and it's Higher Octave Neptune would have some similar tenor in principle...so Disappointment for one, but which...and what of the other? [possibly Depression or Deprivation]
* Father - both Sun - Saturn and Saturn - Sun are given
* Harmony - seems very debatable as it is the opp. formula for the Part of Love, Appreciation
* Imprisonment - 4 different formulae are given for this;Asc. + Sun - Neptune,[and] Ruler Suns Sign - Sun [Day], [and] Ruler Moons Sign - Moon [Night],[and lastly] Lord House of Saturn - Saturn, of which I have strong evidence to support: see my thread on Part of Imprisonment
* Intercourse - both Venus - Sun and Mars - Moon given for this
* Love - both Venus - Sun and Jupiter - Venus given for this Part [trad, is Venus, I concur]
Love and Marriage - bot Venus - Jupiter and Jupiter - Venus given for this
* Mans Marriage - both Venus - Sun and Venus - Saturn given for this
* Occultism - both Uranus - Neptune & Neptune - Uranus are given for this
* Operations and Orders Medical Treatment, see Surgery, below.
* Organization - both Pluto - Sun & Pluto - Saturn are given this...I am very sure it is Pluto - Saturn ...see my post on Hillary Clinton and her Part of Organization
* Parents[traditional] both Saturn - Sun and Jupiter - Sun are given for this [I don't concur with either]
* Popularity - there are 3 ... Merc. - Pluto & Venus - Pluto & Mars - Neptune are all titled this
* Religion both Sun - Moon and Mercury - Moon are given for this [I don't concur with either as Religion is a man-made concept and not a Divine Precept]
* Secret Enemies Both Asc + Mars - Saturn and Asc + C12 - R12 are given for this and, according to Bonatti, both should be used
* Sons - both Jupiter - Moon and Moon - Jupiter are given for this, but what about Mars - Moon as it seems more in line with Venus - Moon as part of Daughters?
* Surgery, Asc + Jupiter - Sun is given for "Operations and Orders Medical Treatment" and I don't know if that contests with the Part of Surgery or is of a more general implication
* Timidity - is given for Saturn - Neptune, Mercury - Moon and Mars - Moon given for "Timidity and Hiding" [I have given this a little study and if it is any of those I have to favor the Sat./Neptune formula.]
* Trickery and Deception of... both Venus - Sun and Mars - Moon are given for this and I don't concur with either.
* Waste-Wastefulness - both Jupiter - Mars [Ursula Lewis] and Uranus - Venus are given for these two near identical titles{?}
* Wisdom - most unlikely as Asc + Mars - Merc. has overwhelmingly been regarded over time as indication of this principle
* Woman's Marriage - both Mars - Moon and Saturn - Venus are given for this

That's all for now..I am currently adding the other Parts/Lots that I know of that use something other than the Asc. as the personal point or something other than the Planets or Luminaries as the 'Significator' or 'Trigger' and have been given a 'title' and any new titles to any of the above parts listed I haven't included that anyone submits...let me know.
or if there be any discussions over any of the listed titles...any that anyone feels is totally out of place or any that one feels is the deserving or meriting sole title...or ...tc. ..whatever...awaiting...ptv

dr. farr

08-09-2011, 03:00 AM

Definitely a worthwhile listing for reference purposes for our AW members. Thanks for making this effort!

piercethevale

08-09-2011, 05:55 AM

Definitely a worthwhile listing for reference purposes for our AW members. Thanks for making this effort!

Thank your Dr. Farr. I'm hoping it becomes even more than a reference source for AW members but for all astrologers with access to the internet. The info on this subject is so sparse presently...both published and on the internet...as a team we may achieve something that will be long utilized and praised until a recognized definitive 'published' source that identifies all the same parts/lots as we are covering here finally comes along...and hopefully, afterwards, we will be fondly remembered.

Mahasvapna

08-11-2011, 04:49 PM

These are some of the titles that come with the Kepler Program for arabic parts/lots. I haven't messed with them much, but at least it starts filling in a few blanks.

Asc. + Merc - Jup: Hope, Association
Asc. + Merc - Sat: Danger, Violence, Debt

Asc. + Venus - Jup: Praise
Asc. + Venus - Uranus: Fascination
Asc. + Venus - Pluto: Popularity, Influence

Asc. + mars - venus: Fullfillment
Asc. + Mars - Jupiter: Debate, Daring Action
Asc. + Mars - Pluto: Preparation

Asc + Jup - Pluto: benevolence

Asc + Sat - Moon: Identity
Asc + Sat - Merc: Bretheren and Friends
Asc + Sat - Jup: Siblings and Family

Asc. + Uranus - Merc.: Messages and Astrology
Asc. + Uranus - Mars: Transformation
Asc. + Uranus - Jupiter: Happiness
Asc. + Uranus - Neptune: Termination and Occultism (It shows guidance for Neptune - Uranus)

Asc. + Neptune - Moon: Dublicity

Asc. + Pluto - Sun: Organization
Asc. + Pluto - Moon: Influence and Magnetism
Asc. + Pluto - Merc.: Location
Asc. + Pluto - Mars: Strategy
Asc. + Pluto - Jupiter: Positive and Helpful Changes
Asc. + Pluto - Neptune.: Subtle or Hidden Changes

Asc. + Sun - Merc.: Liberty
Asc. + Sun - Venus: Harmony
Asc. + Sun - Neptune: Imprisonment and Captivity
Asc. + Sun - Pluto: interaction

Asc. + Moon - Mars: Kings, Royalty
Asc. + Moon - Pluto: Galvinization

That basically fills in all the blanks with these particular titles, but I don't know what Kepler's source is for them. You mentioned before in passing about the opposite of the formula for wisdom (mars - merc) in relationship to the part of debate/innocence (merc - mars) which has made me want to compare other opposing formulas. I'm not sure the correlations mean anything necessarily, but I also wonder if the parts could be thought of as an axis, and the opposing degree symbol compared. It borders on a more meditative/oracular application I think, I'm not sure what real impact it could have on a person's chart or even necessarily an horary reading. But i'm curious to look at them.

peace

piercethevale

08-11-2011, 07:46 PM

piercethevale

08-11-2011, 10:10 PM

Well, thanks again Mahasvapna...I had mistakenly put Uranus - Venus as the part of Transformation...do you have a title for the Uranus - Venus formula?
Also, as you have listed some with title connected by the word 'and'...I must ask, is the Part published as one Part or are you listing two different titles for the same formula? A case in point would be Uranus - Neptune, as 'Termination' and 'Occultism' are two very different principles...it would be most helpful if you can elaborate on that one in particular.
...as to my comment about the Part of Organization what I wrote about Hillary Clinton and Her Part of Organization can be read here:
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=147

| [I can't recall where it might be in the AW forum...or if I haven't deleted it awhile back which I probably did when I was determined to leave this forum and erase everything...for reasons I won't go into.

Mahasvapna

08-11-2011, 10:54 PM

I will post the image with my parts here, they are not in order though, but rather arranged by degrees. But, I have the Uranus - Venus part listed as the part of Wastefulness. The formula Uranus - Neptune I have published as "Termination & Occultism" (it's at 10 pisces 51 on the list). I don't know the history of the part, although it must be relatively 'recent' as it were. This list actually includes some parts related to other personal points as well, like the part of Redemption as Sun + Moon - Asc. There are a handful of others in there, as well.

As for the difference between occultism and termination - it's going kind of out on a limb, but to consider the nature of both: occultation is the covering up or eclipsing of one object by another, and carries a tone of hiding something ('terminating' it's view) whereas by the same token Termination in relationship to Occultism might be interpreted closer to termination of lower principles, of ignorance of the occult, etc. It's a tough one.

In considering the natures of Uranus and Neptune and their interactions, here in this case with Uranus as the significator and Neptune as the trigger, a sense of Awakening initiated by Dreams or Illusions. So Perhaps termination fits less than Occult; but on the other hand, To 'awaken from the dream' might be a form of death/termination as well. Bears some meditating on.

Here's the list I have access too.
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Oh, there's also a website I stumbled upon just recently, you may or may not have seen it already, but it has some other parts related to different personal points:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~pfa/dreamhouse/attic/lots/lotslist.html

Hypothetically, of course, you could use every house cusp, house ruler, individual planet, the mc/ic, dc/ac, almutens, etc., in any non-repeating combination of personal point +/- significator +/- trigger, to develop a staggering list of hypothetical points that might just color every degree of the wheel in a chart. Quite a monumental task, and I'm reminded suddenly and perhaps not in any intuitive fashion of the 240-something gates of the Kabbalah. Old stuff, I haven't looked at any literature on that system in years. Hm.

peace

piercethevale

08-11-2011, 11:39 PM

dr. farr

08-12-2011, 03:09 AM

piercethevale

08-12-2011, 03:47 AM

Great work. I'll also mention the "Dreamhouse Attic" site, which has a very large collection of Parts. Literature-wise, "Late Classical Astrology" (Greenbaum) has pretty much the complete listing of formulae used in Greco/Roman times.

Philosophically, the most complete discussion of the dynamics involved with the Parts is Zoller's "Arabic Parts" book. I myself do not agree with all Zoller writes in this book, but I do agree with much of it-it is written from a hermetic perspective, and is the most complete philosophical discussion of the Parts (mostly taken from Guido Bonatti) I have seen (in English)

Thanks Dr. Farr, I've been utilizing the 'Dreamhouse' website and am still copying from it...I'm only up to the letter 'C' right now...also I have Zoeller's book...and like you, I don't agree with all of it, but have learned somethings from it...of particular interest was his discourse on the 'Esoteric School of Astrology's' theory about 'Involuntionary and Evolutionary' direction of the cycle of progression through the Zodiac it gave me the clue to what I've written about a possible rectification of a this practice of theirs...I mentioned it in a thread somewhere here in AW...but I did post a thread on it at the actastrology.com forum under the 'Esoteric Astrology' sub-forum.

lilithofeden

10-06-2011, 05:50 AM

WOW What a list! I will definitely be using this as a referance. THANK YOU!

piercethevale

10-06-2011, 09:03 AM

WOW What a list! I will definitely be using this as a referance. THANK YOU!

COOL:cool::biggrin::joyful:...spread the word!...I really am hoping for widespread involvement in this...it is sorely needed!
Thanks & Blessings!
ptv

piercethevale

02-20-2012, 05:47 AM

I have updated this thread to include and identify the seven Hermetic Lots.
A thread on three of these may be found here:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47039

CapAquaPis

02-20-2012, 08:32 AM

I'm trying to uncover mine predestined arabic parts prediction using the Asc. (Cancer) + The Sun in 26 degree Aquarius + the Moon 20 Aquarius should specify where I'm headed into in Life.

For the part of Marriage: I did some work from 17 Cancer 33" + 7th House (17 Capricorn 33) - Venus in 2 Aries 45" Aries, or the formula 03.17.33 + 09.17.33 - 00.02.45 = or should I perform a mathematical equation of 107 + 180 = 287 - 2 = 285. My estimated answer is 285 degrees or 15 Capricorn 12", thus in solar astrology the date can be January 4th/5th.

But, another calculation is 09.15 + 285.15 - 294.33 subtract 60 = 234.30 = 7th sign 24th degree = 24 Scorpio 30". The part of marriage actually falls on the solar astrological date of November 16th/17th.

The part of Fortune on my natal chart reads 11 Cancer 26 33...about six degrees above the ascendant sign/rising point.
My day birth time is 1421 PST (2:21PM). Asc 17 Cancer+20 Aquarius-26 Aquarius is another puzzle I'm going to solve.

piercethevale

02-20-2012, 12:16 PM

piercethevale

02-28-2012, 04:21 AM

Having given this some thought this eve as to the Asc. + Mars - Neptune forumla for a 'Lot/Part'. It's presently considered to be the 'Part of Disappointment' or the 'Part of Popularity' and the latter of which I have to state, 'I just don't see it'!.
If Asc. + Venus - Mars is 'Play' and by that I take it to mean 'Enjoyable Activities', 'Recreational Activities', 'Frolic' and the like [Amorous Activities ?], then surely the opposite formula, i.e. Asc. + Mars - Venus indicates a 'Lot/Part' of 'Drudgery', 'Disagreeable Obligations or Endeavors', 'Unappealing Chores, Errands or Duties".
If that be so this 'Lot' involving Neptune, the higher octave of Venus, in stead of Venus in the same basic formula, would indicate a sort of, a "Prepomenophobia"...which is a word I've more or less coined for a condition of being in fear of the future. But this would be probably more of an aversion or revulsion and only to but a portion of the future. A 'future' that is projected by the imaginative facilities of a person...most likely. [The manners, thoughts, attitudes or actions of a person that is 'Hyperpessimistic' would be an example of what I'm getting at here as to what the effect of the 'triggering' of the affect of this 'Part/Lot' would be comparable to.]
The 'tag', 'Diappointments' , almost works... If one were to refer to it as 'Imagined [anticipated, predicted, ] Disappointments'.
It's kind of, a 'Part of 'Your Worst Fears Come True'... I would describe it as.
Does anyone 'see it this way', or has anyone had any experiences with this particular 'Lot', and would like to share their observations and experiences? If so do you also have a 'Title' that would most succinctly identify this combination of a 'Lot' ,and this 'trait' I propose...or akin to the traits you perceive that you would like to suggest?
Does anyone feel that it doesn't need to be 'monkeyed with [Rectified] in any manner at all?
Does anyone conclude otherwise to any of this, or have any comments, suggestions, insights, opinions or observations to add?

piercethevale

02-29-2012, 05:01 AM

I wish to address the situation with the 'Title' of the 'Part of Transformation', Asc + Uranus - Mars ....

As, I've been thinking and writing about the outer three planets a lot this week
this 'Part' came to mind tonight.
This is how I see it...presently...I think it may be the best description I could possibly be able to come with [doesn't mean it is...]
It is something, somewhat 'Transformational'...at least for some people and esp. for those that are adherents of true spiritual paths. But, rather this is about intuitively becoming aware of a "Higher Self'...it could be called the "Part of Higher Self"...in fact, I think that that might be a good name for it.

I'm going to use the one I get for that chart I propose is that of Jesus/Yeshua for your discernment.
I get 19* Cancer 59'...and as to exactness of the location I use for birth data [stating 'Bethlehem, to the computer...but Bethlehem didn't really exist by that name for some centuries afterwards I'm told. The name of the birth location in those times was something other than that. It is known that it was very near Nazareth and the Long. and Lat. of present day Bethlehem is very close to Nazareth] and as to any adjustment in the time even of mere seconds will put this in the next degree thus I am rectifying this to the 21st degree of Cancer.

The Sabian Symbol for this degree and would represent the intuitive knowing about his self and how it appears in reflection...not in a 'Walter Mitty' sense, but rather how it should be honestly seen...sort of a "Mirror, mirror on the wall..." sort of thing.

{From Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandalla"}

" A FAMOUS SINGER IS PROVING HER VIRTUOSITY DURING AN OPERATIC PERFORMANCE.

KEYNOTE: The emotional reward accompanying cultural excellence.
... The operatic prima donna is not merely a lonely performer, like the piano virtuoso (Gemini 13°); he or she is the star in a collective effort. The opera is not only music, but a story, a mythos, which embodies some of the most basic images and emotions characterizing the culture that gave it birth.......cyclic phases we find the drive toward individualization by means of concrete forms of cultural activity glorified in social and financial success. In its deepest sense the symbol refers to THE PRICE OF SUCCESS — for the individual, as well for as the collectivity acclaiming him or her. What is success really worth? A question few people ask."

[I] I can see it...ptv

piercethevale

02-29-2012, 06:23 AM

...and my own Part of Transformation ...or Part of Intuitive Knowing Higher Self...or whatever it should be called ...Part of Mirror Mirror, possibly.

Mine is 28* Sag. 24' [Galactic Center...lucky me...]...and it was conj Pluto not too long ago and was an event well noticed and concluded as to Pluto definitely being of affect.
29th of Sag.

"A FAT BOY MOWING THE LAWN OF HIS HOUSE ON AN ELEGANT SUBURBAN STREET.

KEYNOTE: [I]The need to attend to everyday tasks which both ensure social worth or respectability, and benefit one's constitution.
...A well-attended front lawn is a symbol of the homeowner's concern for his social position, and of his desire to give beautiful form to the growth of natural forces, thus revealing his appreciation of order and esthetic values. ...suggests that constructive working habits are needed to compensate for amenities of social living... It reveals another phase in the cycle relationship between the individual and the community, and the need to maintain SOCIAL RESPECTABILITY."

...well, I am starting to put on a little weight, I was 32 in waist just a few years ago..up to a 34 right at the moment...Holidays, you know.

This is interesting as because ten twelve years ago when I was in a relationship with the woman I call Miss X in my book I did a composite chart and calc. the composite Parts. [A technique that works. it is a representation of who you and another entity become.] In a composite chart of a couple in an intimate relationship the ethereal substance of that composite entity that the two of you have become does get to be more and more of that which is affected by the stars. The Parts. I found were an excellent example of this. Some of you might attune to a particular planetary composite between you. For her and I it was Venus as our composite Venus was the 14* of Aries. This is the degree I get for Jesus/Yeshua's Part of Spirit...The same degree that of which I'm convinced that Mary's natal Lilith was conj.. Miss X's natal Lilith @ 24* Aquarius 03' is exactly...I mean EXACTLY conj. my Moon @ 24* Aquarius 03'. Do you see the 'Cosmic wiring that was done in these?

Miss X and I both have natal Mercury on the 28th degree of Aries. She and I have a composite M.C. of 08* Cancer 10'. It is just a bit advanced from the 8th degree of Cancer but of enough effect to the 8th degree, and possibly a bit more as to any rectification of time or location...possibly even an conjunction to that degree. The M.C. is the "HOW" of the chart axis in a spiritually oriented person, or composite persons's, chart.
The symbol there is according to Rudhyar: "KEYNOTE: The tendency in all forms of life to imitate higher forms as a stimulus to growth.
This rather strange symbol points to what is essential in all first attempts at developing consciousness and furthering and furthering one’s growth through association with those who have already reached a superior evolutionary or mental level. Every seeker looks for an 'Exemplar.' The religious mystic speaks of 'the Imitation of Christ.' "

Our composite I.C. [The "WHY" of our composite chart] is the 9th of Capricorn:
AN ANGEL CARRYING A HARP.
[I]KEYNOTE: The revelation of the spiritual meaning and purpose at the core of any life situation.

.... 'heaven is within us.' All we have to do is to be open and listen to the total harmony of life, a harmony in which we play a part that is necessary to the completeness and meaning of the whole. ...surrender to the will of God.
... The technique [I][that is implied] is that of ATTUNEMENT."

The composite Part of Sudden Advancement [which I get a 'hoot' out of as it was during this time that i became acutely aware of the Sabians and the rest of Astrology too for that matter...I'd say my understanding and knowledge started to grow exponentially from that time forward and she had the first home pc astrology program that I ever got to fool around with, in 1999.
the 7th of Leo: THE CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS SHINE BRILLIANTLY IN THE NIGHT SKY.
KEYNOTE: [I]The power of basic spiritual values which refer to man's common humanity and to all enduring archetypes.

I tell you this as to emphasize that I did conceive of the two of us becoming a permanent item. She and I could have been an exemplary couple for the ties... had we had more time and a much more conducive environment that would have allowed that to happen...it almost did. [my clairvoyant was a bit taken aback that it didn't, matter of fact.]
...I could go on with a number more of similar tenor symbols she and I shared in the composite. I do want to get back to the ref. as to my own Part of Intuitive Mirroring [or whatever we end up calling it] She and I have a composite Part of Nobility & Honor of 26* Virgo 49" and that symbol is
"A GROUP OF ARISTOCRATIC LADIES MEET CEREMONIALLY AT A COURT'S FUNCTION.KEYNOTE:[I] The ability to carry on a revered tradition in order to perpetuate cultural standards of excellence."

The point being that all the symbols I'm emphasizing are about imitating and or emulating, affecting and or projecting certain veneers, exemplar like, of cultural excellence, of spiritual values and of an advanced civil and cultural attinment... very British in a way, I've often thought [...Keeping up appearances, as those of us of English blood/ancestry know quite well...as she and I share only English in common as to our racial backgrounds other than Native American, She is part Cherokee and I Powhaton.]

CapAquaPis

02-29-2012, 07:00 AM

I'm not following what you're trying to say here...are you trying to determine the Part of Destiny or the Part of Hyleg?

The parts representing my parts of destiny in marriage or fortune, unless I'm doing it wrong. :pinched: (ugh...I want to find out). Will someone else redo it and come up with my astrological data to find the correct answer? I'm not a math expert, since I'm more into sciences and the paranormal. :lol:

piercethevale

02-29-2012, 07:20 AM

The parts representing my parts of destiny in marriage or fortune, unless I'm doing it wrong. :pinched: (ugh...I want to find out). Will someone else redo it and come up with my astrological data to find the correct answer? I'm not a math expert, since I'm more into sciences and the paranormal. :lol:

In the first post above, do you see the 'Part' listed that you are trying to ascertain?
I have a thread somewhere on the Part of Hyleg. It shows symbolically what the root symbolism is for your self...most especially as to all the other parts as they call it that which can exist apart from the others but from which all other parts derive. It is Asc. + Natal Moon - Last New or Full Moon Prior to Birth.
The Part of Destiny is that destiny that you will come to realize [hopefully, realize] that is the 'essential you' , of what you mean to the world...what your 'worth' to the world was at the finish of your life...in all estimation...that is if you follow the true path of your being.
That is derived from the M.C. as the personal point and it is M.C. + Sun - Moon

ps. [the next day] As I see you avow sidereal belief, I don't know why you would be stirring about in this sub-forum. As you don't reply to my requests for clarification, I'm going to assume that this is some joke to you and inform you that I won't acknowledge any more posts by you.

CapAquaPis

03-11-2012, 09:21 AM

The part of destiny is on 15 Capricorn 12" and In sabian symbols:
15º Capricorn (285): IN A HOSPITAL, THE CHILDREN'S WARD IS FILLED WITH TOYS. or 16 Capricorn - SCHOOL GROUNDS FILLED WITH BOYS AND GIRLS IN GYMNASIUM SUITS.
The day when I was diagnosed with Autism was on January 4/5, 1984 and my parents divorced on the very day 3 years later: about 25 years ago.
I spent a lenghty period of time in the Diagnostic School in the Cal. state university campus L.A. (now closed) so I sense it gave an accurate description of a place where it used to be a state hospital for children and adults alike with autism, except I was never made to be institutionalized due to my parents' refusal and took me home 120 miles away in Indio Cal.
The part of I believe is 24 Scorpio 30" interpreted in a sabian way:
24º Scorpio (234): CROWDS COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN TO LISTEN TO ONE INSPIRED (wo)MAN. or 25 scorpio - A X-RAY PHOTOGRAPH.
Again, the relation with the moment I was diagnosed with autism, about return visits until I was age 10 when doctors interviewed me communicate effectively and a neurological x-ray to find nothing was seriously wrong.
But I'm sure this was related to my family friend's birth of her 3rd and last girl, our closest non-relatives we considered friends (on Nov. 16, 2000 with leap year day or it would be the 15th). All those family and friends, and we got to see her ultrasound pics taken before she was born. :biggrin:
I was carefully reading instructions on calculating the dates based on Ascendant plus the Sun and then minus the Sun, and the Moon will have close similar dates. Based on Lunar aspects, no Solar aspects this time around (hope they are correct):
17 Cancer + 20 Aquarius - 5 Aquarius (note the full moon was February 2nd, 1980) = 13 - 313 = 300 in between 12/13 Aquarius. PEOPLE ON A VAST STAIRCASE, GRADUATED UPWARDS. or 13º Aquarius (313): A BAROMETER/CLOCK.
In relation to a fascination with population statistics or social concerns, and with weather data or scientific information.
To try agian for the last time: 17 Cancer minus 20 Aquarius= or 107 - 107 = 0 -30 + 10 = 40 = 147 = 25/26 Leo (?) close to my natal True Node at 29 degrees Leo. A LARGE CAMEL CROSSING A VAST AND FORBIDDING DESERT. 26º Leo (146): AFTER A HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW. The image of myself growing up in the Desert and still trying to move out of this area out of a stormy Life, but I expect greener grasses and a brighter future, like the Rainbow appearing out of a cloud of grey gloom.

piercethevale

03-12-2012, 01:24 PM

The part of destiny is on 15 Capricorn 12" and In sabian symbols:
15º Capricorn (285): IN A HOSPITAL, THE CHILDREN'S WARD IS FILLED WITH TOYS. or 16 Capricorn - SCHOOL GROUNDS FILLED WITH BOYS AND GIRLS IN GYMNASIUM SUITS.

Okay, I get that part of your post. You've calculated your 'Part of Destiny'...Am I correct as to that? If so, I assume you used M.C. + Sun - Moon, for the 'formula'?

The day when I was diagnosed with Autism was on January 4/5, 1984 and my parents divorced on the very day 3 years later: about 25 years ago.
I spent a lenghty period of time in the Diagnostic School in the Cal. state university campus L.A. (now closed) so I sense it gave an accurate description of a place where it used to be a state hospital for children and adults alike with autism, except I was never made to be institutionalized due to my parents' refusal and took me home 120 miles away in Indio Cal.

...Okay, I have no trouble comprehending that either.

The part of I believe is 24 Scorpio 30" interpreted in a sabian way:
24º Scorpio (234): CROWDS COMING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN TO LISTEN TO ONE INSPIRED (wo)MAN. or 25 scorpio - A X-RAY PHOTOGRAPH.
Again, the relation with the moment I was diagnosed with autism, about return visits until I was age 10 when doctors interviewed me communicate effectively and a neurological x-ray to find nothing was seriously wrong.

...Okay, so you were asking if you had calculated the Part [of Marriage?] correctly...[your use of the word 'Destiny' threw me off, as I wasn't sure exactly which 'Part' you were asking about...mainly....and partially because, also quite 'frankly', your math is terrible.

[Of course this isn't really, a 'Math Equation', that is to say, that is like anything most people are taught in schools,..and I don't understand if you are saying that "you, ARE autistic", or are saying that, "you were tested for it as a child, but proved to be otherwise"?. Well, regardless of which you intended to say; I can sympathize, as one of my relatives has a 'slight touch' of that...and which seems to be on a steady increase too, unfortunately. Autism in the U.S has increased*. If so, I apologize for being a bit 'brusque'. I've dealt with my share {and way more...} of 'trolls', 'naysayers' and agitated, irate Christians, Scientists and 'Trad.' Astrologers , these past, 3 1/2, years of near daily writing in [on?] astrological forums such as this one, and wondered if you weren't only trying to be bothersome ...*{I believe I heard something between 500 and 1000% in the last generation, just the other day...I shudder to think what the future may hold what with corporations like Monsanto running around insisting that everyone eat their genetically modified produce...'Frankenfood' as it's being called by some wonderful dissenters.}]

Here's a simplification. Number the signs 1 through 12. Taurus is # 1, Gemini is # 2, Cancer is # 3, Leo is # 4, and so on through the Zodiac to Aries which is given the # 12, or it can also be given the # 0.
[ I will use what data you've supplied for this demonstration as {I believe} it is the 'Part of Marriage' that you've requested help in obtaining].
When you add the first two components of the formula, 17* Cancer 33' + 17* Capricorn 33' ,[Cancer is # 3 and Capricorn # 9, are you following thus far?] write it as thus, right below.

'3' ~ 17* ~ 33'
+
'9' ~ 17* ~ 33'
______________
...which will give you this as a result:

'12' ~ 34* ~ 66'

[now, you'll want to leave it
in that form, until you're through
with the entire calculation...
don' got go changing- [minus]
66' minutes of a degree into
01* 06', for example, or 34* degrees into 04* degrees
and adding '1' to the 'signs column, making that a '13',
Taking '12' ~ '34'* ~ '66''
converting it to
'12' ~ '35'* ~ '06' and then converting that
to '13' ~ '04* ~ '06''
...which I'm using for example, as I've taken from what
your own formula here has produced thus far.
It can wait till the 'subtraction' part of the formula.
After everything is done you convert
anything 'over', to proper form.]
...and you then subtract your natal Venus.

'12' ~ '02'* ~ '45''
______________

...and as a result, we get,

'0' ~ '32'* ~ '21''

Which must be converted to '02'* 22' and the '0' we got for the 'Sign', has to have a '1' added to it [...'12' or '0' is Aries and when we add '1' + '0', we get '1', and thus it is the sign of Taurus and for your 'Part of Marriage, we have come up with,
02* Taurus 21',
[I]which is the 3rd degree of Taurus.
[Did you read the 'Sticky' on understanding the enumeration of the degrees of the Zodiac, in this 'Degree Symbols' sub-forum?
02* 21' is the 3rd degree. {everything from 02* 00' 01' to 03* 00' 00" is the 3rd degree}]

Now as far as what astro-body or influence 'activates' this 'Part of Marriage', [and any 'Part' for that matter, as well.]Some believe that only those that make up the original formula. Some say those and or Sun and the Moon. I say it both of those and the 'Higher Octave' Planet whenever Mercury, Venus or Mars is in the equation. I know this because of what affect Pluto had on two of my 'Parts' these past 7 years or so. Those 'Parts' of "Intelligence or Skill", 'Transformation", [which I just wrote about a couple of posts back...]

But I'm sure this was related to my family friend's birth of her 3rd and last girl, our closest non-relatives we considered friends (on Nov. 16, 2000 with leap year day or it would be the 15th). All those family and friends, and we got to see her ultrasound pics taken before she was born. :biggrin:
I was carefully reading instructions on calculating the dates based on Ascendant plus the Sun and then minus the Sun, and the Moon will have close similar dates. Based on Lunar aspects, no Solar aspects this time around (hope they are correct):17 Cancer + 20 Aquarius - 5 Aquarius (note the full moon was February 2nd, 1980) = 13 - 313 = 300 in between 12/13 Aquarius. PEOPLE ON A VAST STAIRCASE, GRADUATED UPWARDS. or 13º Aquarius (313): A BAROMETER/CLOCK.
In relation to a fascination with population statistics or social concerns, and with weather data or scientific information.
To try agian for the last time: 17 Cancer minus 20 Aquarius= or 107 - 107 = 0 -30 + 10 = 40 = 147 = 25/26 Leo (?) close to my natal True Node at 29 degrees Leo. A LARGE CAMEL CROSSING A VAST AND FORBIDDING DESERT. 26º Leo (146): AFTER A HEAVY STORM, A RAINBOW. The image of myself growing up in the Desert and still trying to move out of this area out of a stormy Life, but I expect greener grasses and a brighter future, like the Rainbow appearing out of a cloud of grey gloom.
Now, there's were you lost me this time...I'm unable to comprehend that...?
...I'm going to take a guess and say you are trying to get the 'Part of Destiny'.
I asked about the 'Part' only because you kept using the word 'Destiny'... It wasn't that I asked you to, 'please, do so, calculate the 'Part', '...But rather, I was asking, 'If that it was the "Part of Destiny" which you were attempting to ascertain

But, if that is what you are referring to here ... the Part of Destiny is: M.C. + Sun - Moon. I don't use 'Nocturnal' formulas for any Part/Lot...not yet anyhow, as I've yet to find any 'Part/Lot' that does so need to be changed, depending on the time of day. [..and my 'Most Excellent', spiritual confidante and clairvoyant, friend, Clarisse Conner, stated in a 'reading' for me that , she saw, "...only the 'Day Formula' for the Part of Fortune, regardless of time of day". ...and because I figure if the part of Fortune doesn't alter, then why would any of the others ? And, as I do use the Sabian Symbols as a tool of rectification [they are 'TOPS" for that... NONPAREIL...!!! I am able to determine from the difference of the two symbols, that the two different formula give, as the degrees of the Zodiac and their attendant Sabians, and have yet to see any, that I've checked in this manner, give a symbol from the 'nocturnal formula' that made any sense as, to that Person them self or, to the rest of that persons', overall, 'natal chart tenor' [or 'gestalt' of the chart] oh, btw, I myself, I only use 'Placidus' for House System. ...and have yet to see that fail me either. That is because I also employ Sabian rectification as an aide to adjust House Cusps ...as you might have read my mention of it in post # above. and have yet to be disappointed in the results I get for the Succedent and Cadent houses. I strongly advise to stay away from 'Whole' and 'Equal' House systems..and I've not had the time to experiment too much with 'Campanus' [although I do need to study it more...as my fav. Astrologer, Dane Rudhyar, apparently favored it, for some reason or perhaps only for some certain methods of technique or analysis anyways.] I haven't ruled out Koch, and have yet to give any study or thought at all on "Krusinski" or "Amphora" as it is know in the Czech Republic but it does sound very interesting and reasonable enough to give it my attention. But as for the M.C. that is the same in any system, [as far as I know] as long as a formula doesn't say rather Cusp of 10th house than, Mid Haven [M.C.].

Also...as to numbering the Signs one through twelve for the purpose of using in the calculations of the formula for a Lot/Part.
The reason Aries is assigned a '0' or a '12' is this...and, for me it would be easier to give an example than try to explain it.

Say you have an Asc in Taurus and a Sun in Cancer and you need to subtract the Moon which is in Pisces. Well, that's a '1' for the Taurus Asc., a '3' for the Cancer Sun which added together give you a '4'. So how do you subtract '11' for the Pisces Moon from '4'?
You count past those Signs one full spin around the Zodiac and thus Taurus is now '13', Cancer is now '15' and Pisces is '23'. As '13' + '15' = '28' ...'23' has no problem from being subtracted from that..and the result will be '5', which is Virgo. [or you could leave Pisces at '11' and subtract that from '28' and you get '17' and if you count that out you'll see that it still is Virgo.

Once in a great while you may not of, 'set up the calculation for the formula' just right...and by that I mean, you can see that you assigned all the proper numbers to the signs but ended up with a 'negative integer'...say for example, a negative '3' [- '3']. Just remember that '0' is Aries then negative '1' [-1] is Pisces, negative '2' [-2] is Aquarius, and thus, negative '3' [-3] is Capricorn...and so on..

I hope this has answered your question and been of help to you.

...btw...I urge all to read the Sabian Symbol for any 'Astrological Part/Lot that you may have. If you have read my threads on the 'Parts/Lots here in the degree forum [or in that book I wrote.] then you already know that the 'Parts/Lots do take on the meaning of the symbol for that degree in a way that is pertinent to the 'abstract quality' of the nature of the 'Part/Lot' itself.

As CapAquaPis has already mentioned the 25th degree of Leo which happens to be my 'Part of Fortune' [and my M.C.] I have to understand it as saying that I will be at my most 'Fortunate' [Fortune] advantage as to succeeding my lifes 'Dharma' by 'going it alone', so to speak...as that has proven true in most of the endeavors I been challenged with in my life... particularly that, of learning Astrology. If you've read any of my accounts of how I learned you already know that I got a 'Big Leg' up the ladder from having had my brother hand me what knowledge He felt was 'True Knowledge' that he had just spent a couple of intensive years of study and testing, for himself to obtain, for my own beginning..but from then on...I somehow managed not to be exposed to anyone else that was an Astrologer or any other source of distraction that may have influenced my opinions or evaluations...or that may have 'steered me from' any book, or other source of help that was essential to where I presently am in terms of level of knowledge and understanding.

...what I'm gettin at here is that, 'I don't quite know, 'WHAT' exactly the Sabian Symbol found for ones' Part of Marriage' might indicate.
As I've never been married [see, that's also a 'solo' thing, a 'Camel Crossing The Desert' thing...as I sure have come to see it as such] I can't use my own as towards this understanding.
My parents would've been a perfect study if only they had known their birth times [for calculating 'Parts/Lots', as most all that I know of use the Asc. or some Cusp for the 'Personal Point'... and they change a full degree every four minutes .] Might I suggest figuring out the Part of Marriage for a chart of someone you know, or knew, somewhat intimately and see how the symbolism for their Part of Marriage reflects that persons own marriage...as to...how that person makes the marriage work/succeed, or as to 'how that person met the one they married, or how that person, 'wooed' the other...it might be any of that.
To be honest...I knew a number of years ago that I would always be single and it didn't concern me at all after that [and not much prior, either. I'm just not the 'Marrying Kind'...and there are so many 'Parts', that I had to prioritize...I'll be lucky to cover anything over 50% in the amount of time I might have left to live...time will tell...[and she usually waits till the last minute...in fact I believe that, for most people, she waits until after the last minute...]

piercethevale

03-12-2012, 06:03 PM

As to the 'Part of Marriage' and trying to understand how the Sabian Symbol-ism affects the 'Part' ...and by that, I mean, as an action or attitude one would be in need of employing in action or ,instead is it to be, by integrating into their personality or as part of their psyche, of the person whose chart you are reading. Or ,what could it mean, that being married symbolizes to you [once you've become married and realize upon reflection some time afterwards, that is, if you are not already so 'enlightened....and by that I don't mean I am...LOL].
What one finds for a Sabian Symbol on their Part of Fortune, Part of Sudden Advancement, Part of Benefits & Increase [$], I have found to be, without exception, the symbolism is that of what one must do, or have cognitive understanding of, in order to 'reap' the harvest, or 'claim the reward' so to speak.

I will give an example here [and, it's the best I know of, too...I'm not just trying to promote a book...or anything, other than 'correct understanding and technique', here in, using the Sabian Symbols in collaboration with the Astrological Parts/Lots....thank you, ptv]

Read what I obtained from the chart I propose to be, the birth chart, that of Yeshua/Jesus.
The Part of Fortune is the 19th degree of Pisces:

"A MASTER INSTRUCTING HIS DISCIPLE[S]"

One shouldn't have very much difficulty understanding that as to, how the 'Sabian Symbolism' is to be taken, regarding Yeshua/Jesus' life and His 'Dharma'...or if you prefer, 'the destiny that He came to fulfill', as He had to actively employ that very thing.

By the same aforementioned chart the 'Part of Benefits and Increase'[$] calculates to the 3rd degree of Gemini:

[from Dane Rudhyar's, "An Astrological Mandala"]

"SANTA CLAUS FURTIVELY FILLING STOCKINGS HANGING IN FRONT OF THE FIREPLACE.

KEYNOTE: A rewarded faith in spiritual blessings.

The popular allegory refers to the spiritual blessings which come to the "pure in heart," whose consciousness is likened to that of a little child..."

...now, that shouldn't be hard at all for nearly most everyone to understand. Especially when one reminds oneself of the anecdote of how He managed to pay for the 'ferry across the river' and when asked by a disciple how they were going to pay for the fares, Yeshua is alleged to have said to his disciple to, 'look under that rock", and there was coin enough to pay for the fares.

So, the Part of Benefits and Increase, then requires one to have a certain belief, attitude, outlook or understanding...and as I explained above, that the 'Part of Fortune', for Him, clearly represented an 'action' that He had to take and keep applying for His lifetime, as to continuously keep the flow of 'Fortunate Circumstance' going for His best means as to accomplishing his 'life task' [the 'Spiritual Blueprint', I sometimes call it], his 'Dharma' if you prefer, to meet the requirements of the four chart axis points that say, "WHO", "WHERE-TO", "HOW" & "WHY", and those Astrological Parts [but not limited only to] of "Destiny", "Hyleg" and "Inheritance & Legacy" [ which is what you 'Inherited' from the past and are asked to leave of your 'Good Works', as a 'Legacy' to the next generation to continue on.] to however you interpret that anecdote, I just gave, to have meant to Yeshua/Jesus about 'increasing money available for his need and use.... Or in other words, that is to say: You decide how the Sabian Symbolism which is defined by Rudhyar as, [I]"...spiritual blessings which come to the 'pure in heart', whose consciousness is likened to that of a little child...", should be applied to specifically the 'Part of Benefits, and what it represents, in relationship to it to be what He needed to do to 'activate it', then do so in a similar manner as to a 'Part of Marriage'....BUT...!!! >>>

>>> As to the Part of Marriage!
Presently, to date, I never inquired of the 'Part/Lot' for any reason [although I did ascertain the position many years ago, and looked up the Sabian Symbol and briefly gave the matter some thought, a quick study, to see if I might notice anything right from the 'get-go' ...as I did with a great many number of Astrological Parts/Lots.] ...and I only, just more, recently derived the 'Sabian Symbol' for the aforementioned chart, I propose is that, of the 'Man from Nazareth'. I looked at mine years ago and to be honest...I still haven't a clue as to what the symbolism of mine, or that 'Part' which I believe to be His, has to do with marriage in regards to myself or anything I've ever heard about Yeshua and anything he he had to do with, or the topic of, marriage.
I must state that, [for the present, anyways...] I'm not altogether convinced that the formula is that of the 'Part of Marriage'...or if such a 'Part' does in fact exist at all...but, I would certainly bet, and a lot, that there is one. I seem to recall seeing another formula for it years ago...possibly twice...that was intriguing. I've been trying to remember where in that I did.

[BTW...I got the 25th degree of Libra for the 'Part of Marriage' for the 'Man from Naz.', which just so happens to be my 12th House Cusp, {Placidus} The 12th House Cusp symbolically represents your own answer to the problem{s} of the 'World' ...as you 'hear' or 'see' it asking you.:wink:]

ps...OH! BTW... the 3rd degree of Taurus also happens to be the 'Part of Faith', [Asc. + Merc. - Moon] for Yeshua/Jesus ..from that chart of mine...As that Symbol has to do with the 'Trinity' as it regarded His 'Faith'...try to see if the Sabian Symbolism gives you association to to any of those 'manners' of qualities/actions/attitudes/technique, etc. of which I said to apply to 'Parts', as I just demonstrated, gave explanation of and as an example, for so being as to His 'Part of Fortune', as an 'Action', as to what you determine [which, personally, I determine and ascribe 'attitude/consciousness' to be as...] the 'manner' it is and how it is to be as applied as such, as to His 'Part of Increase & Benefits', to that what you've determined in what manner that symbolism [you believe] should be applied the to a 'Part of Marriage', in respect as to just what such a 'Part' might mean as a 'Part' of marriage to yourself.
But, like I said, with no example to base anything on I would advise spending some time figuring it out for people of well known public life and noting what the Symbolism is and how it might relate to what is known of that persons 'marriage, or marriages...etc. and be convinced that it is the correct formula [or reasonably assured] and the manner of application of interpreting it through the symbol if you're going to take my advice and do use Sabians in conjunction with Astrological Parts/Lots interpretation.

If anybody does pursue ..or has already done some research into this...or knows of an author or 'author-ity' and or a book on the matter...please share!

CapAquaPis

03-25-2012, 04:35 AM

Pierce, I'm a month late, but I want to apologize as much I can for the post I wrote you believe or assumed was a joke. You see, I'm still studying astrology by self-research on a wide variety of topics in the process of further understanding a complex subject science I been interested in for a long time. The sabian symbol-degrees seem to confused me big time :pinched: when the equation estimates involve lots of in-depth mathematics to find the "parts" to determine & interact as clues to, future life events.

I feel the incident on leap year day was part of my autism: a neurological-behavioral disorder does impairs social skills & some of my posts exhibited a few traits of autism (as displayed).You found 3 Taurus to be my part of marriage (thanks Pierce) and the 3rd day of Taurus: April 23rd (why...it's my brother's birthday!) and the 66 degrees=6 Gemini=May 28th (his ex-GF's B-day). I'm coming up with the reminder of my presence when they lived together to had a son/my nephew over a decade ago in my Mom's house, but that's a random theory of mine.

The correct answer you gave me of part of marriage: 25 Libra (or October 18/19th) is another one of our family friend's (middle) daughter's birthdate, again only a coincidence. and your calculated part of fortune on 19 Pisces or read "8/9 March" is the family friend's b-day who was also my special ed. teacher when I was younger, so for her and Mom to be good friends has been highly benefical in the development of childhood and life. I appreciate your assistance, pierce and I wish you a good day/ night/ weekend. :)

CapAquaPis

03-26-2012, 09:51 AM

Ok Thanks, pierce! :biggrin: I wanted to PM the apology and thanks: it have to be posted publically, because your PM box said "full to the maximum limit" of messages. I never knew (but realized how lengthy equations can be anyway) the math is complicated to find astrological parts. :)

02* Taurus 21',
which is the 3rd degree of Taurus.

2º Taurus (32): AN ELECTRICAL STORM. (More Lightning not rain?)
3º Taurus (33): STEPS (http://www.astrologyweekly.com/sabiansymbols/list.php#) UP TO A LAWN BLOOMING WITH CLOVER.

Something related to me being in the wrong place and wrong time: whoever wants to be out in high risk of lightning strike?
The metaphor of lost innocence, while savoring the beauty & sweetness of Life, and Clover-Leafs (in 4s) represent good Luck.

piercethevale

03-26-2012, 11:41 AM

CapAquaPis

03-28-2012, 06:36 AM

...I don't think I mentioned that by the chart I claim to be that of Yeshua/Jesus... The Part of Faith is 02* Taurus 24'
..It represents "THE TRINITY" .... it's beautiful, isn't it?

ROFL! :biggrin: I never said such a thing. The beautiful sight in my 11th house in Taurus, holds a special meaning for me. That Aquarian house influences creativity in social situations and interaction with individuals and groups. The house rules general hopes & dreams as well political activity. The 2nd day of Taurus: April 22nd: Earth Day! Respect the earth created by God. I've been an active follower of environmental causes and personally felt the creator gave man a world we should take care of.

Also to consider one house to the right (10th) the Venusian beauty in my 2.5 degrees Aries. Again, the 1-4 degrees Aries is highly significant: the planet Venus, the Mid-heaven (MC) and opposition with Pluto in Libra lying way down in the Imum Coeli (IC).

:pluto: Pluto - Asc. + Pluto - Sun: Organization*, Gavel[?], Miracles. I like to know where the "Part of Miracle/Organization" is.
17' 33 Cancer+ 17' 37 Libra - 26' 20 Aquarius. What's missing is one air sign Gemini; and Cancer and Libra are cardinal signs.

What to make of the 17 degree Libra (and adjacent degrees to examine closely) where Pluto occupies the sign of balance in the 4th house representing the father and the sign Cancer identified with parenting, family and community organization:
16º Libra (196): AFTER A STORM, A BOAT LANDING STANDS IN NEED OF RECONSTRUCTION.
17º Libra (197): A RETIRED SEA CAPTAIN WATCHES SHIPS ENTERING AND LEAVING THE HARBOUR.
18º Libra (198): TWO MEN PLACED UNDER ARREST. (I found one message an eye-opener!) :eek:

Hints on a moment in my life I could get arrested (I have twice), but my father never had...though my brother has 4 times! He hasn't been sentenced to prison out of all luck, nor has my Dad faced legal trouble and I hadn't got criminality issues.

The result from Asc. (107/108)+Pluto (197/198)=305-Sun (26 Aquarius=326/327)=20/22 Aries. The calendar dates are April 6-8 (which happens to be this weekend) and falling on Good Friday and Easter sunday, this year; this I gotta see!:
20º Aries (20): A YOUNG GIRL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER. (where I live, winters are warm and free of snow).
21º Aries (21): A PUGILIST (BOXER) ENTERING THE RING. (I expect I have a challenge in the part of Miracles).
22º Aries (22): THE GATE TO THE GARDEN OF ALL FULFILLED DESIRES. (I sense a victorious reward afterward).

piercethevale

03-28-2012, 07:56 AM

I leave my pm box full as I need my seclusion/my space... I'm on a bit of a tight schedule as to how much I can give to individuals with my time here... nothing personal, but I have other endeavors in life other than Astrology.

... I didn't join AW Forum to teach the basics of Astrology to folks but to give evidence of correct technique and understanding to those astrologers here in membership that are already at some level of accomplishment...and also, for those members still learning, some 'reasons' [notions,] to keep in the back of ones' mind while learning the basics... as, once one feels they are beyond the 'apprenticeship' or 'chela' level, for future considerations in utilizing as a technique or understanding [depending on what I have provided] as to augment or rectify what Astrological knowledge you will have amounted at that future date ...

...if you are under a 'formal apprenticeship' [Teacher/Student, Master/Disciple] to some 'Accomplished Astrologer' that tells you to ignore, or tries to dissuade you from listening to anything I have to say or offer.. that is between you and your 'Patron', if you do truly trust them then follow their advice/guidance ... great Gurus of the 'Highest Caliber', [Teachers] are most often, wise beyond ones' own reasoning and the lessons we need are the lessons we are given and at the right time that we need such knowledge.

I can only avow to be a sincere and devoted disciple of Sri Prabhu Ram Lal of the Sadhan Order of Yoga of India [an Astrologer himself] under His guidance and protection ... If I am in any sort of error as to what I give then I will certainly hear about it from my own 'Guru'... and I will make it known that I have given erroneous advice... Those of you that don't acknowledge the Guruampara that is the source of these teachings of knowledge or spiritual practices ...then you have no cause to pay heed to me at all.

ptv [aka yogi Devananda]

piercethevale

05-23-2012, 04:54 AM

Well, here's a new one..for me anyway.

If any of you have read my thread on my recent surgery you know that I went to the hospital with severe abdominal pain on March 31st.
[ http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49968 ]
That I was diagnosed with 'diverticulitis' and was told I needed and I consented to immediate major surgery.
I am presently recovering at home from having a 6 inch section of my colon removed and being given a colostomy...which, I'm hoping [nearly praying] is only temporary.

When I got out of the hospital [an eleven day stay...8 days on a Morphine drip and only an I.V. for sustenance.] I checked my astrology for March 31st and slapped myself upside the head for not having remembered that Uranus was approaching my Part of Surgery [as I had made a mental note of it some few years back...but, I got busy with too many 'projects' in the intervening years and had all but forgotten the event approaching.]...it was not only approaching it on March 31st it was within a half of a degree ..as my Part of Surgery [Asc. + Saturn - Mars] is @ 05* Aries 23' [and, as of the last few weeks, I've been considering rectifying my chart by about 15' less ...as I figure my birth time that was recorded is rounded up...by as much as forty five seconds to a minute]. Uranus was at 04* Aries 55' when I went 'under the knife'.

Yesterday, I was a bit restless and, having drank too much coffee to be idle for even a minute, I found somethings to do, that I had been meaning to get around to. One of which was finally calculating all astrological Parts/Lots in my natal chart that have the Asc. as the 'Personal Point' and Luminaries and or Planets as the 'Significator' and as the 'Trigger' [Personal Point + Significator - Trigger]. I had a number of them to so determine. I had neglected those that have no known 'Title' [or at least not published] and a few that are titled that just didn't seem to demand any urgency for knowing...I've had too much to keep me busy for quite a long time as it is...[An explanation...if not an excuse.]

One of these 'neglected' Parts is one that I only heard a 'Title' for a few months ago from an answer to this thread for the formula, Asc. + Neptune - Mars, which bears only one 'Title' [that I know of] and that is 'Part of Damage'.
The problem with these Parts that utilize the trans-Saturnian Planets is that they haven't been around for too long... [That is, as to recorded history. Of course they've always been there.] and it's near impossible to get any information on them and almost entirely impossible to find anything written.
I've already discovered to my own satisfaction that a couple of these trans-Saturnian Parts are 'mis-titled' or, I believe it certainly can be said that, they could bear a more accurate title/description.
That the title listed for Asc. + Neptune - Pluto is 'Slyness' seems to me to be in conflict with that title given for that same formula using Mars as the 'Trigger'. ..but, I'll deal with that another day...hopefully, if I live long enough.
My concern here is that I discovered this "Part of Damage' for my natal chart to be [with out the, aforementioned, rectification I'm possibly considering] at
04* ARIES 57'

...yeah... got me thinking allright... it sure does.
How 'Lucky' can one guy get? I mean, having the 'Part of Damage' immediately precede the 'Part of Surgery'.

...the ? is... which is the dominate influence... and is the Title, "Part of Damage", accurate... even 'In the Ball Park', so to speak.

I'd really dig it if some of you members calculated this 'Part of Damage' for your own natal chart..and a big plus would be those of you that have access to others charts and have knowledge of personal histories to go with them... and give some 'feed back' here.:biggrin:

If it is a 'Part of Damage' and it was the ineluctable* influence of that day...well, the knowledge could prove to be of inestimable value to many folks.

*[...I've been hopping for a chance to use that word...I only learned it last week... forgive me for my, sometimes, sophomoric ways.]

piercethevale

05-23-2012, 06:23 AM

I'm musing on this...could the 'Significator', which for this 'Part' is Neptune, be indicating some sort of Psychological Damage?
As Mars is the trigger...I'm thinking that it does have something to do with ones overall being...both physical and mental...but, is it in combination...could it be that one leads to the other...? [...and, isn't that usually the, almost inevitable, case anyhow?]
...hmmmm...

DreamingTheSeas

05-23-2012, 06:48 AM

My Lot of Children in Taurus (my daughter has Taurus Asc).
23rd degree of Taurus
A magnificent jewelry shop is revealed, containing every conceivable article of value of beauty.

piercethevale

05-23-2012, 07:10 AM

My Lot of Children in Taurus (my daughter has Taurus Asc).
23rd degree of Taurus
A magnificent jewelry shop is revealed, containing every conceivable article of value of beauty.

There is a 'Part of Daughters' that I'm far more inclined to believe in as having to do with children. The formula is Asc. + Venus - Moon. Have you determined where your's is? If so would you mind sharing the info?

ps. The 'Part of Sons' is said to be Asc. + Jupiter - Moon
I have a son born in the sign of Scorpio in 1998. Unfortunately I don't have the exact birth data and his mother and I haven't been in touch since early 1999. [it was the result of a, rather brief, 'affair', of which I'm not really at liberty to discuss. My Part of Children ...as you call it... is 10* Aries 01' and my 'Part of Sons' is 22* Aquarius 32', nearly conj. my Moon at 24* Aquarius 03' ...none of which is much help to me without the boys actual birth data.]

piercethevale

05-23-2012, 07:26 AM

I did just realize something of interest [to me, anyways]. this Part [of Re-Incarnation] at 10* Aries 01' is the midpoint of Uranus and the Sun for the chart I claim is that of Yeshua/Jesus of whom it is said i knew in His time.....Hmmmm?

That Sun being at 11* Aries 52' 32" and Uranus at 08* Aries 12' 30".

...and I did just get 'pierced' in my side... ouch!

DreamingTheSeas

05-23-2012, 08:25 AM

There is a 'Part of Daughters' that I'm far more inclined to believe in as having to do with children. The formula is Asc. + Venus - Moon. Have you determined where your's is? If so would you mind sharing the info?

......

Its 13 Gem 32.

piercethevale

05-23-2012, 03:11 PM

Its 13 Gem 32.

Cool!
Now, can you find a connection to that with your daughter?

...cue the music...
Daughter - Loudon Wainwright III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4_oSGmhPAc&feature=related

piercethevale

05-23-2012, 08:44 PM

Its 13 Gem 32.

By the way...I found this image of a painting today and thought it to be perfect for your avatar..

DreamingTheSeas

05-24-2012, 05:28 AM

Cool!
Now, can you find a connection to that with your daughter?

...cue the music...
Daughter - Loudon Wainwright III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4_oSGmhPAc&feature=related

No, i cant find any connection. At the day and hour i conceived her Mercury was at 13 Gem 34, but i guess that has no connection.

(thanks for the avatar)

piercethevale

05-24-2012, 08:08 AM

No, i cant find any connection. At the day and hour i conceived her Mercury was at 13 Gem 34, but i guess that has no connection.

(thanks for the avatar)

I would say that Mercury is certainly of some interest here. Mercury does rule Gemini... Who knows how some of these things work...we're still practically in the Dark Ages with this 'Science'...while so many other studies...medicine...astronomy...engineering etc. have all advanced in great measure since those times... astrology has been repressed.

Those that had correct techniques didn't share them when the discoveries were made...Astrology was a cutthroat business... Imagine what a cush job a court astrologer had... and anyone that got one would probably pull any trick in the book to keep it..probably invented a few new tricks. I still say some of these over elaborate methods or techniques that are still practiced after a thousand years or more with no notable track record[s] of success and are clung to and defended by so many because of their antiquity or source were most likely invented as a means to impress ones employer and frighten off any competition in the Dark Ages. When the collective intelligence of entire communities or even kingdoms probably couldn't match that of the 'Freshman Dorms' at the most basic local colleges today.

If a number of other member find that their part of Daughters also happened to be where Mercury was at the time of conception...then we definitely must 'Have Something'...
...that's the kind of response and support I've been hoping for in this thread...but to date so far, the members seem reluctant for the most part to get involved.

piercethevale

06-06-2012, 01:12 AM

THE PART OF UNUSUAL EVENTS

I've got a rather interesting Part being conjuncted by transiting Uranus this June 8th and there's no best way to get the word out via the other forums...although I've posted it in the 'Transits' forum... I figure that some of you members might not get the chance to follow this observance of mine.
This Part/Lot is one I've never had a chance to study, it is not well known and I know of no oral or written accounts of its influence or anyones experiences with it.... and considering that any conj. by Uranus is a once in a lifetime occurrence, this is a rare opportunity.
The Part utilizes Uranus in the formula [Asc. + Uranus - Moon].
As Jupiter and Saturn will both be conj. the same signs and degrees as in my natal chart, along with the Moon conj. natal Moon that day...and combined with other planets making conjs. to other astrological Parts/Lots...this could get really interesting.
I promise to make a post event report.
Here's the link: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50846

Thanks for your interest and for those of you that support the idea of a 'Parts/Lots Forum'.
ptv

piercethevale

06-08-2012, 07:27 PM

Apparently the link I provided in the post above was wrong... [funny, It worked when I first posted it as I always check my links after posting them.]
So, if anyone had been interested and was unable to find the thread, I have corrected it... [and I did check it like I always do...it's working...at least right now it is... and thanks for your interest... and btw it is now 11:30 AM here in Calif. and nothing 'Unusual' today....so far...but Uranus will be conj. the same degree for awhile and will make a last conjunction in Jan., 2014 at the same time transiting Jupiter will be conj. my natal Uranus and Mars conjunct my Part of Change ...at least that is what the formula Asc. + Uranus - Pluto is listed as...!?!?!?]

piercethevale

06-10-2012, 04:43 AM

Been re reading a lot of Robert Zoeller's book on Arabic Parts and it has struck me as quite obvious that all the ancient astrologers that Zoeller, and most everyone else is so fond of clinging to for source info had most likely been doing natal charts for people for whom there, was most very probably, hadn't been accurate birth times recorded.
As the Ascendant changes a whole degree every 4 mins. these Parts that they seemed so cocksure about were being deduced from the kind of evidence that wouldn't get a second glance in a courtroom in todays world.
I recently deduced that my own natal Asc. surely must be the prior degree. This only required my adjusting the recorded time of 7:41 pm back 45 seconds in time, thus changing my Asc. from 17* Scorpio 10' to 16* Scorpio 58'. The only other House cusps that changed to a previous degree are the 6th and 12th. My M.C. is still in the 25th of Leo as well as my part of Fortune.
This also changed a number of my astrological Parts/Lots, to a previous degree...which includes the part of Hyleg ...which at the 7th degree of Capricorn I was relieved to see see changed to the 6th as the Sabian Symbology for the 7th is pretty darn pretentious.
[Rudhyar]
(CAPRICORN 7°): "A VEILED PROPHET SPEAKS, SEIZED BY THE POWER OF A GOD.

KEYNOTE: The ability to act as a mouthpiece for the revelation of a transcendent will and truth determining future action."

(CAPRICORN 6°): "TEN LOGS LIE UNDER AN ARCHWAY LEADING TO DARKER WOODS.

KEYNOTE: The need to complete any undertaking before seeking entrance to whatever is to be found beyond."

[...and here that number 10 pops up again... the Grand Semi Quintile... that I've connected to the YOD ...the true YOD, the True Finger of God that points to the way to truly integrate the oppositions found in the Zodiac.
My mothers initials were HH, Helen Huff, and by Hebrew transliteration that is 55 ... the esoteric number for the Virgin Mother, Mary ...my mothers middle name was 'Virginia'... Yes, there is more than coincidence about this... It was brought to my attention by my clairvoyant friend and spiritual confidante, Clarisse Conner back in 2007 just prior to my 55th birthday in 2008 ...which is on May 6th ...my mother went into labor on May 5th...5-5...but, I digress...]

So, what I'm saying is ...pretty much... let go of what these ancients, for example such as Albumassar, had to say about these Parts... Let us get busy with contributing our own observations to this thread and determine for ourselves just what these calculated positions do really infer.

Please people...contribute to the study here!
...what it says... "The need to complete any undertaking before seeking entrance to whatever is to be found beyond...!!!!!!!!!!"

DreamingTheSeas

06-10-2012, 06:55 AM

piercethevale

06-10-2012, 04:53 PM

Did you have any UNUSUAL EVENT in Friday?

...Nope, but Uranus will be conj. for some time... I was kind of hoping something would tie in with the Jupiter return... Jupiter will be conj. my natal Mars @ 04* Gemini 05' at the end of this month...so.....
[and then again maybe something did happen to which I've not yet become aware....I did meet a Chemistry professor last week that also teaches Kundalini yoga and whom was quite interested in my 'Runic Explanation of the Zodiac'. A chemistry professor that teaches Kundalini yoga is a bit unusual here in the States:smile:]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYdZu3fzEMA&feature=related

piercethevale

06-12-2012, 04:50 PM

Well, maybe something did happen.
Last week I went into a consignment shop nearby that is in a large shopping center. I was waiting for my room mate that was picking up some potting soil in at the garden center next door and was looking over the jewelry case with a interest in finding any of the Jewelry that was taken from my apt. couple of years ago. [no, luck...btw]
The fellow behind the counter and I had an interesting conversation about 'Gem Silica' as I had a beautiful 10 carat piece that I had worn for years that I have been hoping to find again someday...and it's not a well known gem stone. [it was recommended by Edgar Cayce to assist writers and artists express themselves.]. It turned out that the guy is a teacher of Kundalini yoga and a chemistry professor and He did exhibit a genuine interest in what I told him about my astrological studies and especially the theory I've posted about, which I call 'A Runic Explanation of the Zodiac'...and I've been most anxious to get that theory circulating among people of science... I'm going back over there today with a diagram I've drawn for him explaining it. ...I've really been wanting a Chemist to get a look at this theory and this is the first one that Ill get to talk to.

piercethevale

06-13-2012, 12:49 AM

Howdy, I've just added the following Parts/Lots to the list above.
Bondage, Killing Planet, Merchandise, Secret Enemies, Cooperation, Bereavement, two for Assassination, Peril, Escape From Captivity, Imprisonment, Suicide, Death & Disaster, Business Injury, Sorrow, Nobility & Honor, Bankruptcy, Torture, Travel by Air, Travel by Water, Travel Long Distance, Travel Short Distance and the Part of Weddings.

These are all Parts that utilize something other than a Planet or a Luminary in some part of the formula...thus you now know where to find them and i don't need to write out the formula for each here on this post.
Thanks, ptv...

And Please Contribute Your Observations To This Thread!

piercethevale

07-12-2012, 02:44 AM

Greetings. I've just added another twelve Parts to the list. They are the Parts of Death of Siblings, Decapitation, the Part of Find [which is obviously strictly Horary], Higher Education, Hopes & Wishes, Possessions, Leave Job [which also sounds to me as something strictly Horary], Powerful Friends, Legal Affairs, Speculation, Mind/Mental Capacity and lastly the Part of Self Undoing.

As with the last additions on 6/13/12...these Parts/Lots are also of the type that have something other than strictly Asc. and Planets or Luminaries involved in the calculation, [that is the 'formula for deriving the Part, to put it differently.] as we do have all those listed...but we could also use some affirmations/confirmations from you members as to whether any of the less known and even obscure Parts/Lots do indeed have an effect akin to the title given it.... even if the title given to one of these doesn't 'seem right' or seems "inappropriate a title", to any of you members [and I sure have noted my fair share of those], please!!! 'Speak Up' and contribute your opinion...!!!
The more feed back, the more testimony this project gets the more successful it'll become.

piercethevale

08-29-2012, 11:28 AM

I'm adding the following 'Part'; Asc + Uranus - Part of Fortune as a possible 'Part of the Unnecessary'. Please see my thread on 'Mystery Parts' in the Developmental sub forum for more on that.

Also, I added a few alternative names to a few of the other Parts in the last day or two.
One alternative name/precept I'm about to add is that of the Part of the Military and Daring or pars militiae et audaciae to that of Asc. + Moon - Saturn, aka Part of Inheritance & Legacy.

also, a new one, the Part of Daring, or Strength or Dominion or [in latin][I] pars audaciae. or fortitudinis, or dominii
Asc - Moon - Ruler of Asc.

piercethevale

09-16-2012, 11:55 PM

I had a bit of an epiphany for the Part derived from the formula Asc. + Venus - Saturn, which seems to me should be well known as it is one of the 'basic' Parts considering that it uses the Asc. as the "Personal Point" and only visible Planets as the "Significator" and the "Trigger". It's called the Part of Mans' Marriage, which to me seems very materialistic and the influences of the Cosmos weren't designed for materialistic interpretation. [Sure, they can be interpreted that way, but there has to be a 'Higher Purpose'.] I thought about it and said to myself; "It's the Part of Contentment of the Soul" I checked my Part for this formula and it is the 10th of Taurus for which the Sabian Symbol was summarily defined by Rudhyar as:

TAURUS 10° "A RED CROSS NURSE.

KEYNOTE: The compassionate linking of all men.
This symbol reveals the feeling of human cooperation at the stage of pure altruism and service to the social Whole. On that foundation of Christ love (agape, or true companionship), man can reach a still higher level of experience made possible by the refinement of the substance of his being, his consciousness and his will. ...
...Personal attachment in love to a husband or wife has changed level becoming a CONSECRATION TO HUMANITY."

I think I nailed it!:biggrin:

piercethevale

09-16-2012, 11:57 PM

Continuing the thought from the last post, the zero hour July 4, 1776 natal chart for the U.S.A. has this Part [Asc. + Venus - Saturn, commonly called the "Part of Mans' Marriage".] @ 01* Aquarius 13' 00", that is, the 2nd degree of Aquarius.
If I'm on the right track in my considering this to be the ''Part of the Souls' Contentment'' then this Sabian Symbol should be what the citizenry of the United States does find contentment in for its' soul...the Soul of the Country that is in common amongst all its' people.

AQUARIUS 2°,
[From Dane Rudhyar's book, "An Astrological Mandala"]:

"AN UNEXPECTED THUNDERSTORM.

KEYNOTE: The need to develop the inner security which will enable us to meet unexpected crises."

...that sounds about right to me.
What do you all think?

piercethevale

11-16-2012, 06:20 AM

While calculating a members Parts this eve I have become convinced that the Astro. Part derived from As. + Moon - Neptune, to be that of 'Revelation' and not 'Insincerity'.
I had serious doubts about the Part being that of Insincerity this past year as I had learned that to a smaller number of Astrologers it is considered to be that of "Revelation'.
I had long been confused as to my own Part of this formula as the symbolism didn't jibe with anything insincere about my self...although it could be taken to mean that what I was told and had been believing and seeing 'signs' indicating veracity was not what I thought and that this was an "Insincerity". It cast a shadow of doubt on the entire body of work as to the other Parts... and that, quite very possibly, I had only seen what I wanted to, or flat out interpreted wrongly... i.e. that I was delusional. [Well, turns out that Asc. + Neptune - Moon is the Part of Delusion... i.e. the opposite formula.]
Then I realized, "Revelation" is the opposite of "Delusion" in many senses.
I reread the one for my Yeshu'a chart and mine own again and I 'SAW IT'.

Yeshu'a's Part of Revelation does take a a lot of deep thought...as who can say what His big "Revelation" might have been, as He was such a highly, spiritual and evolved person, mystic and yogi... and considering the revelations He gave to His disciples ... one can hardly imagine what, in turn, had been reveled to Him. But my own Part now became clear and I have to once again give a 'Gold Star' to Rudhyar for the choice of wording he used as I owe it to.
My Part of Revelation is PISCES 20*

"A TABLE SET FOR AN EVENING MEAL.

KEYNOTE:[I] An indication that in the end and at the appointed time the individual's needs will be met among those to whom he is linked by a spiritual (or biological) web of energies. ...

...This symbol... promises a satisfying or fulfilling end to whatever one has been undertaking. As the life closes, the Soul-consciousness finds NOURISHMENT in the harvest of whatever, during the whole life, has been relevant to the archetypal purpose and destiny of the Soul — one of the myriad of aspects of the divine creative word which began the cycle."

As I am a chela of the divine creative Word itself [having no and needing no Archetype or Satguru only the Word as Guru {teacher...a Satguru is the ultimate master. For Christians it is Jesus/Yeshu'a, for Buddhists it is the Buddha, for many of the Sanatan Dharm (Hindus) it is Krishna or Rama, etc.} as explained by Swami Sivananda in his book on Japa Yoga] and as Rudhyar wrote "As the life closes, the Soul-consciousness finds...", I realize, that as, I only became aware of my dharma at about age 52 and now am sure of being fact that which I had sheepishly dared to suggest to myself for many years... and of which I had been becoming more and more[I] in want to have belief of these last half dozen years... is totally true.... verily a 'Revelation" has been given me this night!:wink:

piercethevale

03-06-2013, 04:29 PM

I added two more Parts to the list this day.
Asc. + M.C. - Sun = Death of Brother [which I assume is used only for horary charts] and M.C. + Moon - Sun = Part of Vocation and or Status [I've forgotten the exact wording...it may have read Vocation and Status or gave the two as separate possibilities...I'll update and confirm asap.

Phoenix Venus

05-06-2013, 09:44 PM

This thread is full of a bunch of golden nuggets! I am all for testing the parts as much as i can, though i admit that my data is rather limited.

This sabian symbolism and parts thing has opened up a can of worms for me.. i think i have rediscovered my astrology obsession... I'm going through a list of dates.... this is the list of points for my first date with my boyfriend of 3 1/2 years. I listed everything that was touching a part within one full degree.

First Date with David

Moon conj - Asc. + Sun - Merc.: Liberty, Liberty of Person, Temperament - Libra 7.05

mercury conjunct - Asc. + Uranus - Part of Soul/Spirit: The Unnecessary - Leo. 17.05

venus conjunct - Asc. + Venus - Part of Spirit: Eros [one of the seven Hermetic Lots], Part of Venus, Pars Veneris, Love & Concord - Gemini 24.31

venus conjunct - Asc. + Moon - Sun: [one of the seven Hermetic Lots] Fortune [Day Formula]Fortune, Spirit, Soul [Night Formula], Time of Marriage, Pars Fortunae, Part of the Moon - Gemini 24.51

Jupiter conjunct - Asc. + Sun - Part of Fortune: Noble and Illustrious Acquaintances, Powerful Friends, - Aqua 23.57

Pluto conjunct - Asc. + Saturn - Sun: Fatality, Fate, Tragedy, Brethren*, Conquest [use Jupiter if Saturn is Combust], Father*, Heaviness [use Jup. if Sat. is combust], Karma [Jup. if Sat. combust], Love of Brethren, Parents[Traditional]*, Allegiance - Capricorn - 0.13

Notice that what is bolded doesn't really fit with the rest of it. Thus, i am proposing that the part "asc+uranus-partofspirit" title does not fit. Looking at the other parts that are triggered by the part of spirit, they seem to be benevolant of nature. Not sure what it could mean, i'd have to do way more research with that part before i come to anything, but just as a hunch lets go with "sudden attraction" or maybe something like "unusual admiration" or "surprising admiration" (i was instantly attracted to his conversation, mercury was conj that point..)

LEO 18°):A CHEMIST CONDUCTS AN EXPERIMENT FOR HIS STUDENTS.

KEYNOTE:[I]In inquiring into the hidden process of nature, the human mind experiences the thrill of discovery.

HMMM... i could see it......

piercethevale

05-06-2013, 11:25 PM

It's my 60th birthday today and I awoke late and have plans on getting drunk asap.
I did start to peruse over you post, and I'm curious what you mean by "The Unnecessary" ..and the 8th of Leo for your Mercury? Yikes! What a Sabian for ones' Merc. Check out the 5th of Gemini for my Mars. ...and they are sextile to each other...cool.

I like the :moon: conj. Part of Personal Liberty because that gives him space when he needs it and so many gals take it wrong when an artist/musician type guy inevitably needs that space some time, or times, on down the road of life.

I'll read more tomorrow.
You asked about why the tonality begins with Aquarius but the Path begins in Virgo. Read this: http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=75

,,,and then understand that what produced the "The Concretization of an Ideal" is the Holy Word, OM. In Vedic science it is said that each of the Chakras has a bij-mantra and a note of the major scale it resonates with.
OM is the sixth chakra and it resonates at 'B'.

That is the birth chart of the Universeand as it is of something born of base materiality it should be read in the traditional manner of counter clockwise. The birth chart template of the Spiritually Evolutionary Perfect Human begins with Virgo 30* and culminates at Libra 1*
My breakthrough in understanding came from finally realizing what I had written in my book, that to start at Libra 1* and go through the symbology [as I have a very strong case that Yeshu'a/Jesus was born Asc. 1* Libra] counter clockwise, eventually arriving at 30* Virgo, and that, that symbolically represented the "Conquest of Illusion" was wrong. I realized that the symbol for Libra 1* being that of a perfect specimen of a butterfly was not a beginning... but the finale. [I]One is not born a butterfly. Then, re-reading the explanation/definition by Rudhyar on Virgo 30* I realized that it is stating that symbolically it is the beginning of the path to conquer illusion.

You are very well on your way...I must say, I not only think you'll just learn this ...you'll greatly expand it and probably rectify some of what needs it as well, someday.
May God speed!
Om Shanti OM
ptv

piercethevale

05-06-2013, 11:54 PM

Well, I erred. I took that Moon conj. to be of a natal synastry comparison you had made.

Also I checked out the list and you're right. In fact I don't recall having ever listed a title in purple colour before...as I wrote that would be a listing that has been proposed, discussed and tentatively added in that colour.
In fact I had come to another conclusion and have been holding on to it for awhile as to test it out. I think it has something to do with High Wisdom... different from the Part of Intelligence and Skill. I change that asap.

piercethevale

05-07-2013, 12:06 AM

Also, I added the formula As. + :pluto: - Part of Soul/Spirit as it follows the formulae for the Hermetic Lots, as doe's the Asc. + :uranus: - Part of Soul/Spirit formula.
Taking suggestions!

Also...
I do find it interesting and intriguing that some one came up with a title for the Part involving Neptune as to being that of a nature of 'Imprisonment" because I think they pretty much nailed that tight.

piercethevale

05-07-2013, 12:59 AM

gavre it some thought and I realized I had what seemed lik an epiphany one night as to the pattern I thought I saw and how and why I did come up with "The Unnecessary" ...which I had intended as a suggestion and not a consensual addition.

Venus = Eros
Neptune = Imprisonment

the Part of Fortune being one of the Seven Hermetic Lots...
thus the PoF is aka the Part of Moon

Moon = Fortunate
Saturn = Nemesis

Mercury = Necessity
Uranus = [Unnecessary?]

hmm...?

you know, I'm now seeing it as that which would be beyond necessity... more like, super augmenting... or something like that.
[thanks for your pointing out that it would obviously have to be beneficent.]

I'll keep your suggestions and my thoughts here on the desk for continued further thought until tomorrow.

Thank you P.R. for your efforts and contributions.
... any more, or does anyone else with, thoughts ...suggestions...?

E L & L ptv

Phoenix Venus

05-07-2013, 01:06 AM

Phoenix Venus

05-07-2013, 01:20 AM

piercethevale

05-07-2013, 01:40 AM

just b 4 i go out... I Am translates to "So Ham" in Sanskrit and the bij-mantra Ham [soft 'a'] is the bij-mantra for the fifth chakra, at the throat, which is the chakra of "Expression".

...thought you'd might like to know that, presently...

Pass the Dutchie from the left hand side...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUH1XmFb05Y

Phoenix Venus

05-07-2013, 06:59 PM

^thanks for the tip, who would have knew chakras were related to phrases (and musical notes!) I will have to find a way to incorporate that into my reiki practice. I bet playing the notes and focusing on the phrase would GREALTY energize that particular chakra during reiki..

Anwyays,

I've been compiling a list of notable persons parts of: ASC + URA - POS. (sure it's obscure but i have to start somewhere...)

Since this formula relies on the use of part of spirit, i distinguished between day and night formulas.

Hugh Hefner - 22 Aqua (daytime)

A RUG IS PLACED ON THE FLOOR OF A NURSERY TO ALLOW CHILDREN TO PLAY IN COMFORT AND WARMTH.
KEYNOTE: The warmth of understanding which comes to those who, early in life, are open to new possibilities.

He may think: No one understands me. But the understanding is there if he does not egotistically take for granted that life and society owe him everything. tragic feeling of disillusionment.
Through a warm APPRECIATION of basic opportunities and even small comforts, we can safely and happily grow into personal maturity.

(i'd imagine the part of excess would have to do with physicality for him but no such luck eh)

Ghandi - Sag 16 (daytime chart)

AROUSED STRIKERS SURROUND A FACTORY.
KEYNOTE: The disruptive power of the ambitious mind upon the organic wholeness of human relationship.

man's discovery of the new powers residing in his special contribution to the total organism of this planet Earth — his consciousness and aggressive mind. This leads to a REVOLT AGAINST PRIVILEGES.

Sigmund Freud - Gemini 19 (daytime )

A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.
KEYNOTE: Contacting the all-human planetary Mind underlying any cultural and personal mentality. "exteriorization" of archetypal knowledge and wisdom. the human mind can uncover the foundations of its nature and acquire what might be called SEED-KNOWLEDGE, the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet.

Leonardo Davinci (nighttime) - Virgo 23

A LION TAMER DISPLAYS HIS SKILL AND CHARACTER.
KEYNOTE: The need to tame one's vital energies in order to fulfill one's destiny. The true aristocrat is the individual who is in complete control of his vital and emotional energies; at the spiritual level this includes the overcoming of pride — pride in one's strength and mastery, and the pride attached to an exalted status or social Office.
Implied in any successful process of taming and training is RESOLUTENESS and PATIENCE.

Stephen Hawking (daytime)

Libra 8

A BLAZING FIREPLACE IN A DESERTED HOME. The need to realize that even through the most empty hours a spiritual power is ever ready to welcome and warm up the wayward consciousness returning to center. Until the fire of the Soul within the human psyche totally dies out — a rare and tragic occurrence — there's always hope of recovery and rebeginning.
In a sense it links the vision, catalyzed by the contact with an inspirer, with the possible reaction of fear or shock that arises from such a contact. Within the abandoned great dream, some intangible and warm "presence" remains: the ever renascent HOPE for a rebeginning.

Albert Einstein (day time)

A JEWELRY SHOP FILLED WITH VALUABLE GEMS.
KEYNOTE: The social confirmation of natural excellence. At this stage we are concerned with the social process which brings about a CERTIFICATION OF PERSONAL WORTH.

Stephen Arroyo (daytime) - 3 scorpio

A HOUSE-RAISING PARTY IN A SMALL VILLAGE ENLISTS THE NEIGHBORS' COOPERATION.
KEYNOTE: The feeling of community demonstrated in a basic joint effort.

Dane Rudhyar - (nighttime) - 30 Leo

AN UNSEALED LETTER.
KEYNOTE: The realization by the individual that all thoughts and all messages are inevitably to be shared with all men. he has actually become a participant in the One Mind of humanity.Nothing can really be hidden, except superficially and for a brief time. What any man thinks and deeply realizes becomes the property of all men.Communication and SHARING must always prevail over the will to glorify oneself by claiming sole possession of ideas and information.

I'm getting the impression of some form of IDEALIZATION or maybe even mental aspirations or mental influence (aspirations for transforming others) so far. This is also seems to fit of what i've noticed of this part in people that i know personally. the only one that doesn't seem to fit this pattern is that of stephen hawking, though he had a C for data so his BT might be innacraute. he also wasn't very spiritual so it could be taken in a more mundane context of intellectual rebeginnings for mankind's scientific progress.

Phoenix Venus

05-07-2013, 08:51 PM

Actually i just realized that it might be a fruitless effort to ascertain parts that rely on OTHER parts (eg part of asc+ura-part of spirit) by use of sabian symbolism.

This is because of the fact that there will be small error in calculation of parts based on the quickness with which the ascendant moves (Even a minute vastly changes degree) and thus, parts that rely on other parts will be even MORE errenuous by the fact that you have to use the ascendant twice: first to get the trigger, then the part. (let alone rounding the seconds.)

Sooo.. those parts should probably only be studied by use of transit (this should allow more room for error)

due to that i'd suggest to scrap my above post as it is probably inaccurate? and i'd suggest that all parts that are based on other parts be interpreted with some apprehension.

SubtleGrace

05-08-2013, 04:23 AM

piercethevale

05-08-2013, 01:39 PM

PTV, Happy birthday. Get nice and loaded. I’ll pass you a puff of an internet splif if you like :P
The list that I gave was transiting planets crossing over my natal parts. my merc is at 12 scorpio J
I’m not sure what “The Unecessary” meant. That was the title for that part that I saw here on this thread. (the part ASC + URA – POS) I suppose it would mean what is not needed in someone’s life and what does not compel them. It doesn’t seem to fit though, for me. It also doesn’t seem to flow with the descriptions of the other parts that are triggered by the part of spirit. Any thoughts on what that particular point might mean and why it is labelled “the unecessary” at the top?
(and yes, you were accurate in your interpretation – I am very open with people and encourage their individual growth and actually need that for my own alone time- loaded first and 12th house. I always encourage his artistry.)

Hmmmmm…. That’s interesting. I’m wondering if you could expound on that thought when you get a chance as there is something ominously inspiring about it. I used to meditate to the phrase I am, to get over my fears about life.. sounds similar to Om..
So with your chart of Jesus as having a Libra 1 ascendant, you are implying that he was not born that way, he had to go through reincarnations to achieve that state? (I’ll have to reread your post of his chart with this idea in mind.) Or maybe that it is not taken in the same context because he had the purity of high consiousness brought into human form?
Oh, I was also thinking of whether or not there was a part for “connecting earth and heaven” “connecting above and below” or “connecting pyhsical and spiritual”.. which is a critical aspect of the tree of life. though, I DO imagine that those parts would have some connection to Tiamat (the asteroid belt/comets) so it might be something that that will remain unkown unless we consider asteroids or comets that emulate tiamat's meaning. (it might just be the part of higher awareness.)
It makes sense that my part of treasure is at 1 libra because the perfect spiritual form is the only way to go J
I am still learning much about what the different parts actually mean. I get lost in the duality of every part and symbol.. for example.. is part of treasure not just what we find valuable but what values find us? As in what gifts we are bestowed with…? I suppose it is a gemini moon inconjunct mercury thing O.o But this technique is a very fulfilling way to interpret astrology I feel an overwhelming appreciation that your posts lead me to this knowledge. I don’t know how thank you aside from repeatedly saying thank you.
This was long.. I feel like I have so much more to learn regarding the parts.. I will help in decoding them along the way!!
-PV

Oh also, i concur that the part of imprisonment seems spot on so far.

Getting into the whole Jesus question is a bit more than I want to delve into at this time.
It kind of is implied that we progress through all 360 symbols in our lifetime and that one begins with their Asc.
But, this Path of True Disciple thing that Rudyhar repeatedly brought up then implies that one can make a leap and adopt that path for their own... but it's still much of a mystery to me, presently.
The concept of the symbolism of the four axis points and what those axis points represent does establish that they have to be met in a sequential order [and it has been established to my complete satisfaction from years of application and study]...that is to get from "WHO" to "WHERE-TO" one must reach the "HOW" in between and after reaching the "WHERE-TO" then the answer as to "WHY" becomes known.

I have a very old out of "Astrology Handbook" by Ursula Lewis that is very concise, It lists about 3 dozen Arabic Parts and Ursula recommends in that book to do timeline studies and cross check the events in your past and see if there hasn't been any events that correspond to conjs. with the Astrological Prts as she promoted doing that as a splendid way to rectify natal birth times. ...and she didn't use Sabian Symbols. Because the Sabian Symbolism, having only been fairly recently discovered to be Symbolically active as to the nature of the Part in question, when coupled with transit activity for rectification purposes has shown to be that will then increase exponentially as so to the potential for and success of attempts of rectification.
I already champion the Sabians as "the greatest tool for natal chart rectification there is.
It gets a little confusing because the Asc. of Jesus is the 1st degree of Libra in that one would assume that then the 1st degree of Libra is the beginning of the journey [on His path] the fact that it begins in the adjacent degree of 30* Virgo is what causes this some difficulty in comprehending.
You see, those that have been working with these symbols for years had all assumed that the 360 symbols begin with progression at Aries !* because it symbolically represents a new life form coming into being and, when followed in the traditional direction it culminates with Pisces 30*. But, if you study that symbol for Pisces 30* you'll find that it is representing becoming more immersed in the materialness of Maya. That Libra 1* is the finale and that Jesus was born with Pluto conj that degree came to me that Pluto then took it a step further in that it then sent it to Aries 1* ...and that represents the "TRANSFIGURATION" [it may interest you to know that my Asc. at 17* Scorpio 10' 22', the 18th degree of Scorpio is giving the keyword summation as being the "Transfiguration".
Oddly, there is another degree in the 360 that is also given this same keyword summation.

I was doing a synastry for another member of the forum, late last night,with that of the Jesus chart as due to the unusual connection He and I have shared through this forum and keeping up an outside 'pen pal' kind of friendship that is not unlike the oddity of a few friendships that I developed here in the Folsom, Calif. area. As it was from keeping in touch with those folks that certain pieces of the puzzle kept arriving with them... my friend Suryakant and I like to allude them to as being as like dots in a 'connect the dots picture' that young children are given for a busy activity.
As the dots kept accumulating I was able to getting enough of a picture [or pictures] that "Something was definitely going on here"...the kind of stuff you only read about. As I then started analyzing those peoples charts in synastry with the 'Jesus natal chart" and found numerous mutually shared degrees & symbols that statistically were of such great odds against that happening that I began to suspect that "there was something, REALLY SOgoing on here.
Subsequently sessions with my trusted clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, [whom is just as much, if not more, one of the folks that came into my life at the exact time I needed what they brought to offer.] gave confirmation that these people are all past life connections to me.
As the book "The Cup of Destiny" gave me the the most numerous explanations and further confirmation I took the authors advice as to reverse engineering [in my mind] the events of my life that lead to all of this...and I found that it goes waaaaay back into my earliest remembrances of childhood.

There's still a couple few of those folks that have been such an essential part of the process that are in denial but they are gradually wearing down into becoming believers as to the fact that there is a greater power...a greater hand behind it all.
...which is a real toughie for a couple of them as they have lived lives to date being as close to atheists as one does encounter... definitely agnostics, anyways.

..and none of us would have ever believed anyone that told anyone of us that we didn't know it but that some 'greater power' was ever depending on us to gather at just the right time with what we had in the cards we held and that we we being dealt from a stacked deck.
I mean, we are what most consider to be as something akin to just bumbling old hippies [for the most part...we did all grow up in that era...some take offense to being called that word, "Hippy"...I don't ...I fit the profile] the type of people that live quite nondescript and uneventful
I have oft said that what we have accomplished these last 14-15 years [and actually as I met the first of these folks back in early '92...it goes even further back...and like I said, having reversed engineered the events in my life... I know as to myself, this was something I had agreed to do prior to birth.
Clarisse did reveal to me that... [as I found enough signs and what not to suspect and ask about my mother having also been my mother in a prior life. The mother of Parsival that had her nearly grown son living with her in a most remote area of a secluded forest in old Britain some 1200 years ago. ...and I wish i kept a copy of the name of that woman as it is a difficult one to remember ...not to even mention try to spell. ...but it starts with an 'H" just as my dear departed mother's name did also.] ... that, we were in fact in our 6th incarnations together as mother and son this time and that it won't be the last time either. Clarisse said that when the world is at a desperate hour...a crucial tipping point, that she and I incarnate as a 'special team.
My mom had real trouble with this 'story' despite all that had gone one since 1998-9 ...my predictions coming through...demonstrations of that synchronicity that I kept bringing up in some anecdotes each time I got to go see her and get a chance to really talk to her.
What transpired immediately following her death in jan 2011 caused even the most cynical, contrary disbeliever of the little group of ours to practically start spinning like a top. ...and that's kind of a long story...anecdote...that i have shared with a few, I think I have written something about it. But I've already gone on her in this post a bit more than maybe I have should.

I will say this...don't ever doubt about anything of wondrous legends, the angelic, Holy men, yogis, from India that are alleged to have siddhis that you can even develop one or two yourself unknowingly just from having remained faithful to yogic/spiritual practices and from committed belief and allegiance to the 'Archetypes' and to God.
I have seen and experienced such things and such phenomena in my life that prior to the 1990s I had already considered myself exceptionally blessed for the fact. Since 1998-9 it has just 'Gone totally off the HOOK" with that kind of stuff as to such a degree that I'm presently of such confidence and awe that I might even consider myself to be 'Bullet Proof" or be able to walk through a raging fire and come out unscathed.

...and that is all...Straight Up!!!!...!!!!

As you are already seeing the symbolic synchronicity in charts I know that I won't scare you off from having written all this now...because you will want to delve more into it to see for your self if it just hasn't been some queer coincidence as to presently... and I have a very strong feeling you're going to get some similar 'messages' [signs. omens, occurrences of such profound synchronistic nature for your self before too long...that you'll get to a point where you will suddenly realize that those mundane activities of yours of the most
You'll probably be saying just what I do before long when the subject comes up in confided conversation, "Me? Do I believe in miracles? Heck I not only believe in them I've witnessed more of them than anyone I know of will admit as to have ever dreamt of being possible in nature...never mind actually having seen even one.

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 02:16 PM

PTV, that was a very moving post. I have no words right now, maybe later, but just have to say... wow wowwww wow :)

piercethevale

05-08-2013, 02:31 PM

I still haven't caught up with reading all the posts in this thread...and i did, once again only peruse your last post before I started writing my last one... it did kind of 'get out of hand'... maybe tmi... youknow.
I needed a snack. I didn't get up til l about 4 pm yesterday as I did have a bit of a bash for my b.d as I need to got to the bank today and so I am now, at 7 in the morning 'winding down' my day.
I saw the word reiki in you last post and my chair nearly started to spin on its own...a sI had one of my 'special extra Hi Def in ultra technicolour dreams of the Uber Vivid variety a few nights ago that give me cause to ask you Phoenix Venus.
Does the number 608 have any meaning to you?

In the dream I needed a good hat to protect myself from the rain had just stared to fall [as I had somehow misplaced my pick up truck and was trying to walk home ...only it was some strange neighborhood. I picked out one in this grocery store that was more of what something L.L. Bean would sell and a few other items...went to the register and the clerk told me "That'll be six o eight, please" And I knew that the hat alone cost more than that so I told her that she must have rung it all up, wrong. I looked at the register receipt that was coming out of the top of the machine and noticed that she had read the ticket number and not the total. [but I didn't see anything but the very top of the tape receipt. So the clerk thanked me, she said "OH, Thanks for catching that. That'll be 48 dollars, please. [and 6 times eight is 48]... as I went back outside and began walking again a young lady happened to be walking right near me and as we were headed in the same direction we conversed [about what..I cAn't recall] but she suddenly turned to what appeared to be an old semi abandoned store made into some sort of residential/business kind of thing like one might find in the lower side of income part of towns...and she invited me in for a moment until the heavy rain stopped and I looked up and there was one of those big handcarved out of a piece of wood sorta organic and hip counterculture business signs that said Reiki...

...and I know about as much about Reiki as I do about rocket science and it's not a word or practice I go around thinking about...I mean I have no reason I know of for it to have been lurking in my sub conscious ...

...strange.. and I've been trying to figure out that 608 ~ 48 thing for a few days now.
anyways, just taking a shot here...I figure that you'll say... doesn't ring a bell for me.. or something like that ...but I have to ask... [I am Clairvoyant myself but it only works through dreams for me... and when one of them does come along...
WOW... they don't disappoint.

Oh, by the way, I meant to add in the other post that i realized I should have calculated another ...gee, I just realized, it may be about 48 astrological Parts that I calculated that I hadn't ever gotten around to doing for the Yeshu'a chart since I came up with it back in 2004. hmmm? I'll have to look and see how many I did add.
Anyways, these newly acquired Astro-parts I can already tell are going to add a bit of some thought provoking and maybe and deeper understanding about Him and as to those specific Parts themselves.
I haven't really gone over them yet...it took from 9pm till 3 am to compile them [I love doing math exercises ...was always kind of fun for me to do as a school lad.] But as I was dashing them off I kept some mental notice process going on and did remark to myself that I can see there's a few that are sharing signs and degrees with other points in His natal chart...along with that of my friend that I was doing a synastry for the other night.
I'll be posting something on what I find from all of that sometime this week ...most likely in the Jesus thread, but I've also got a couple, few new ones to add to the list here in this thread too.

E L & L
ptv

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 02:50 PM

Umm. Man, that post is all too funny, as i am sitting here, just posting in a thread about dreams, with dream books all over my bed, thinking about mindful dreaming and dreaming awake, after your "Synchronicity" post being fresh in my mind. may i mind asking if you remember what this young lady looked like? (just curious as to how powerful the message might have gone.)

Regarding reiki, i have been thinking lately about whether or not i am capable of doing remote reiki healings. (over distance.) You have to get "Attuned" to reiki, there are two levels, i am only attuned to the first one, remote reiki is for the second level... BUT, i had come to the conclusion that, since reiki uses universal chi energy, that it doesn't matter, it will work if i believe it will? (maybe that is slightly arrogant thinking) but i tried it for another online friend (one i mentioned in another thread that has his asc at my part of innocence) and he said it worked on him... I guess the point here is, are you facing any health complications currently? Are you in need of healing?

i also just started up yoga recently, randomly. out of no where. don't know why i'm telling you that but it just came out, and i guess i should go with it as it seems to be working. More on 608 and whatnot later.

piercethevale

05-08-2013, 02:51 PM

...and just now as I'm looking at the list of Parts that I jotted down from another source, which is my Winstar software that quit working some months ago due to a corrupted file...but i had taken screen shots of the listings that I had done for my forum friend, my brother and a couple of other people. Winstar does list some that I've never explored as I can't even figure out what a few of the abbreviated formulae are even indicating.
Anyways, one of these I cant decipher is this:
The Part of Widowhood, Asc. + 9LI48P - :neptune:

...and looky there.. the number '48' in the middle ..although it maybe a 1, and not an I, that the third in the sequence is...

Well, I have to get away from this keyboard or iI just might end up grafted to it and the chair and have to have them surgically removed...
Later...Peace!

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 03:07 PM

I remember some time ago that I realized I often had a connection with people regarding 6 or 8 in their numerology. Not sure where else that number might be of prevelance, or if maybe that was it in and of itself (in relation to the dream) but I’m going to think on it some more.. (also my numerology is 10, so maybe 6&8 X 10…?)
And my part of destiny & part of signs/omens is about being a widow...
Okay this is too much my mind is getting mushy and i must leave here soon.. what a way to start out the day.

piercethevale

05-08-2013, 03:20 PM

Well, as i said in the other post about not doubting what oneself is capable of... If i told you what I found myself capable of... I doubt that you'd believe it.
I still have some degree of incredulousness that I did what I did... but I was in a very serious, somewhat scary and bizarre situation [as i had been targeted by Black Arts, Witchcraft, some years ago...as I was between them and the 'object' of their desire... [they were tryuing to 'recruit' someone close to me that they were going to offer to "HELP" with a few of her career frustrations...i.e. other employees at her job. They thought I was someone that was of their own ilk and that I would both agree to put them back in contact with her [as they didn't know how to] and that i would be both compliant and eager to do so.
I politely turned them down..and even said look, I know that she won't go for it when she understands what it is that you are offering and thanks for the offer but we are the type of folk that use means of the LIGHT. If we don't achieve it by honest means we don't want it. [although 'Honest means' wasn't the exact wording ..I can't recall exactly what I said but I did say it in the most polite and respectful way i could.

The *#@$%&* 's came at me HARD...got some young innocent looking girl to teasingly yank on my long hair one day and snag some with the root ball attached.

I didn't give it a second thought because it happened in a crowded restaurant a week or two later and as the young gal giggled so innocently then ran off after doing it ...like it was some sort of payback for boys having done it to her, or something like that.

What came soon afterward and lasted for a few weeks is something no one should have to know of much less endure...IT IS THAT FREAKIN #$%&#* WEIRD.
I learned what the power of prayer, ancient Sanskrit Mantras for protection, and belief in ones own abilities as to that kind of nature that your Reiki sounds to me is also of the same origin...

The only thing I believe that holds most people back from such abilities is their own self doubt.
Could I do it right now if some one asked me for a demonstration?... No. I'm pretty sure I couldn't

Could I do it right now if confronted with the same sort of assault?
**** Skippy!

Keep the Faith!

[the gal in the dream was rather short, dark hair, young, pretty... but I don't recall the features of her face , just somehow I felt, knew or could see without fixating on her that she rather fair, ...she was ...sort of, if you all will pardon me for saying...Jewish looking. That's all I remember. Sometimes these dreams take a couple/few years before what was 'presaged' to manifest and I get the answer. But, like I said...I'm always rather impressed with the whole affair when it does happen. Haven't failed to let out one good "WOW", yet...] Gotta go...
It maybe too late...I think I may have become grated to my chair,,,

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 03:50 PM

Well, as i said in the other post about not doubting what oneself is capable of... If i told you what I found myself capable of... I doubt that you'd believe it.

HA! Oh, and what of creating universes? (if one is truly all then it only follows..) I had a recent idea last night, a bit of a striking epiphany, though at this point i haven't begun to attempt to dive into what it actually meansor implies, it just feels right; in that, space and time can be copy and pasted, and copied onto one another....

k, i really gotta run now! :P

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 05:15 PM

PTV, regarding what you said about people coming to you at the time when you need it/are ready for it, i find that curious as i VERY recently came to that idea that i mentioned in the post above (The universe creation thing) and how it effects me in a personal way and applying it into life.. actually the specific date was april 22nd.. i first took notice of the sabian symbols two days later on 4-24 (about my post on chiron).. i'll have to look at my transits to see what comes up.. even that i have both of those dates is a bit of a coincidence as i don't usually keep very good track of them. (though now i think i should be changing that.)

Aside from the hair color (mine is red) that description fits me extremely accurately. (though "fair" is a multifacted word i am wondering which definition you were referring to.) i have two distinguishing features that could be equated to jewish stereotype. huh. there are other aspects of the dream that seems fitting to me too. (think the girl standing in fron of the ancerstal well... can't remember which degree that is right now) would you like to continue this discussion in pm or email? i have more thoughts but i don't want to hijack the thread too much...

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 06:24 PM

The *#@$%&* 's came at me HARD...got some young innocent looking girl to teasingly yank on my long hair one day and snag some with the root ball attached.

I didn't give it a second thought because it happened in a crowded restaurant a week or two later and as the young gal giggled so innocently then ran off after doing it ...like it was some sort of payback for boys having done it to her, or something like that.

What came soon afterward and lasted for a few weeks is something no one should have to know of much less endure...IT IS THAT FREAKIN #$%&#* WEIRD.
I learned what the power of prayer, ancient Sanskrit Mantras for protection, and belief in ones own abilities as to that kind of nature that your Reiki sounds to me is also of the same origin...

blech... i get it now.. at first the subtley of what you had implied went over my head amidst the excitment lol.

I fully believe what you are saying, regarding those "people" doing that (both the "offers" and the DNA and the psychic attack thing).. I've met a couple of other people who have claimed similar experiences. (and they attack most all people anyways, indirectly..)

Maybe you had to learn that lesson the hard way because you weren't recognizing it otherwise... ? ( i wonder where your part of catastrophe is at, does it relate to this at all? )

K i'm done for now i hope :sideways:

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 08:22 PM

Okay, one last post. I can't resist waiting as this is so shocking to me, this dream of yours, i just have to get it out by sending now :)
regarding more connections to your dream,

about 50% of the dreams that i've had where i've realized i was dreaming, it was due to the fact that i recognized this reoccuring dream pattern: misplacing either an item or my car and going on a walking journey.. so i find it REALLY FITTING that your dream started out in this way. (it might also have to do with your own sense of control over your current path..) (also, i have a bit of a karmic thing going on with cars and synchronicity, never really knew why, but i always get in some sort of car trouble when i am heading towards the wrong path in life.. and it is often following some sort of a car dream..)

Anyways, maybe the number aspect of the dream means more to you than it does to me? It does fit what i mentioned in the thread though.
(i like the part you mentioned of "heading in the same direction" and maybe this is a clue as to why you had this dream.)

Regarding the wooden sign, two things:

1. I was in the tool room over the weekend and saw these wooden signs that my dad had hand-carved, for his garden. I don't know why but i stood there for a good minute in awe of how nice they were.

2. Again over the weekend (later in the day) my boyfriend was making a tree/playhouse thing for our cats, out of wood. (the reason i was in the toolroom in the first place.) So he had sawdust collecting in this one spot in the basement. Randomly i walked by, and saw that there was a HUGE CROSS made out of plastic sitting in the dust. I thought it was something my bf did but didn't mention it to him. Later, he called me into the basement, showing the cross, pointing out that jesus' father was a carpenter and this cross is laying RIGHT ontop of the sawdust, of all places) 2 strange connections to wood and fathers.

Regarding the description of the place, for some reason it reminded me so much of the symbol for my hidden identity "the woman of samaria at the ancesrtal wall"

Here's part of the description: Early in his ministry, Jesus meets a Samaritan woman at an ancestral well. This woman belongs to a tribe despised by the Jews; moreover, she is unmarried and therefore on the fringe of even her own society. It is to just that kind of woman that Jesus reveals that he is the Messiah: "I am He," a revelation that he apparently will not bestow even upon his disciples, at least not in words. (Words in occultism are the creative factor.)

What does this mean? Jesus, as the Avatar incorporating the Christ-Impulse, came to replace the old tribal order with a new order based on universal Love. It is not to representatives of, or even to men still attached to, the old order that Jesus could reveal his spiritual, evolutionary and society-transforming status; they had instead to reach a point where they could discover his avatar-ship - as did Peter just before the Transfiguration scene. But to the woman of Samaria - who, in her openness to love's urgings, had already repudiated any narrow subservience to the old order - Jesus could reveal his function. The highest meets the lowest when this lowest is free from traditional bonds and open to love.
　
I thought the text made a mention of her coming from a lowly town, but apparently it doesn't.. oh well.. i still see the connection somewhat though because I've often considered myself to be somewhat out of place with the rest of society, in part because of my lack of concern with materials... not having much money at all as of presently, neptune earth singleton, live in a state that has a lot of rough areas (MD, near DC) and my place of work is both a business and residential building. and the high/low thing - "material low/spiritual high" kind of meaning behind that last part of the dream with the shanty building and the reiki, also as someone who is just starting out on their spiritual journey (at least during this incarnation) as opposed to someone who has already made many strides, from what i can tell of you at least.

So, aside from the obvious connections, there seem to be even more as well. Wondering what your thoughts are as far as why you had this dream about me?

piercethevale

05-08-2013, 08:23 PM

I'm back at home from my morning errands and before i sack out I thought I'd post that screen shot of the enigmatic formula for the Part of Widowhood from my old winstar software and maybe some one can figure it out.

piercethevale

05-08-2013, 09:37 PM

I fell asleep here in my chair and thought I'd better get to bed and shut this computer of, but I noticed the posts you had made while I was away and gave them a quick read.
"Fair" means 'attractive', or that's how I meant it.
I have had a few more of these 'Uber vivid and colour enriched dreams just recently [prior to the 608 dream] and they all had some potion that involved suddenly being in some other surrounding than from whence the dream started where I started wandering trying to figure out where i was and trying to get back to where I had been, One was so startling in it's vivid beauty and in the dream I recognized [or thought I did] it as a part of the Los angeles area near where I grew up [and in fact was actually born.] that being Glendale and the Pasadena area, as there are some beautiful older buildings that were built in a 'Spanish style' and the old growth of trees in those areas does [or did, as I haven't been in L.A. since 1991] give it a 'rich verdant' garden like feel to it...broader boulevards with the old fluted street lamps that have those candle like globes on top, sometimes in pairs or in three, that give a warm glow and feel to everything and stairs and walls built of masonry rather than the current cheap and quick poured and formed concrete. So beautiful, and on on of these stairs that were also part of the sidewalk [just like there are..or used to be in that area of L.A as it is hilly. The Rose Bowl is in that area and it is a gorgeous old stadium in a ravine surrounded by those hills. There was a man playing violin at the top of the stairs and as i started to climb them and walk past him I notice that there was another musician playing some instrument that i can't recall but half way up I started doing a tap dance/shuffle to the music that seemed so real as I've been wearing nothing but a pair of sloppy sandals that almost demand a rythmic shuffle if I try to walk too fast in them, ever since i had an operation a year ago...as it is difficult to have to bother with laced shoes or anything that requires more effort than just slipping into a pair of sandals [not medically/physically necessary to wear them...just so easy to. I am ever becoming more and more like some 'Deadhead' in appearance and attitude. I may have to dig in my trunk for some of the old Church of the Sub-Genius stuff I saved from years ago [A cult, kind of thing, of Parody...but then again. The point being it's all about "Slack"... Bob Dobbs, the Master of Slack! ..and now that i think about it ...the time might be perfect to bring old Bob out of the trunk and have a 'Revival']

I seem to recall that Samaria was a town considered sort of 'lowly'. Poor folk that would give you the shirt off their back if you needed it worse than them...it's where the term "Good Samaritan" originates from. Have you ever seen on of those stickers on some old folks motor home or camper that says "Good Sam Club"?. It was, [still is?] those folks way of saying, "Hi we're out trying to have a little recreation, just like you, and so let us know if there's anything we can do to help you out, if you so need."

From your accounts in these last posts I'm going to say that ....I think this dream [about the numbers and the sign 'Reiki'] did have something to do with you... also because I remember thinking in the dream for a brief moment I was back in the L.A. area and then realized that it wasn't even California and I recall thinking in the dream that I was somewhere on the East Coast [and I haven't been east of Colorado since 1972-3].
R9ight now, I'm going to take it be an indication that I should give you all the help you ask for as regarding the Sabian Symbols and astrology. This dream, I'm very quite convinced, originated from a 'Higher Source', that is of some importance to those 'Guides' that are so working overtime presently as we near a crisis state in the USA... [It's a lot worse than people realize...I'm afraid 'IT'S about to hit the proverbial fan'. Check out some of my threads in the mundane sections, Uranus did conj. the USA natal charts' [the zero hour chart, July 4, 1776, Philadelphia] Part of Transformation [which I have tentatively renamed the ' as the 'Part of Awareness of Higher Being' as the formula incorporates Uranus and not Pluto...just as i have tentatively renamed the Part of Imagination the Part of Intuition as it too incorporates Uranus and not Neptune.

I will say that you and I have had some past life connection...very, very likely... I've learned, a long, long time ago that such signs are not to be shrugged off so lightly. [and I did have a weird sense that it was you in that dream...but I didn't want to be so bold nor freak you out...like I'm some sort of weirdo or perv. or anything like that...and it is strange that you fit the description,as you say, because I hadn't the slightest idea of what you look like.

Jeeeesh...who knows? Maybe you were the 'Woman at the well', one never knows... OH WELL..

cue the music! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A27ImPi3-jU

piercethevale

05-08-2013, 10:12 PM

Let me just elaborate on one thing ..so as to NOT freak you out, anyways.
The reason i had a sense of her being you is that since I responded to you Guitar thread i haven't had any sort of conversation with a young woman since....and as the gal inthe dream seemed to be implying that [well, she did say, rather unexpectedly, "Here's my place, won't you come in and get out of the rain and see inside my world/life... and as your thread had the same underlying message...way of communicating...as you gave, rather a certain intimate peek into your life, writing about you're boy friend and his friends and details that were a bit more than just the basic facts... I had that immediate association... as the gal in the dream seemed to be saying I need some advice or somebodys' impartial unbiased opinion about something or on my direction in life. The really weird thing is that I was in the front part of this old building and there was a wooden beam that was like a arch that is often the way those old buildings were laid out,,,like a large foyer and the Reiki sign was attached to the middle of the beam but i couldn't see what was beyond as there was piled all this stuff like old tables or pieces of lumber, stuff that had been moved towards the front as there was obviously some renovation or remodeling going on as to convert that building into a place for Reiki work, and as she said it was also her residence, I figured as to make it also a living space, but that the work was going slowly...like it was being done by just those that were part of it and not some remodel.] that had been given out to professional tradesmen, contractors, that [having been in the building trades all my life, I know all too well ] that don't work like that...a professional crew would have had everything cleared out and work would be seen quite obviously in a state of progress being done in the most efficient manner.
I mena it looked like it was being done by an occupant that hadn't the resources to hire out for such work. ...and all that stuff was piled right under the hand carved wooden sign...just like what you described in the work shop.

Now...I starting to get a bit freaked out... I think I need to get some air...

ps...and sorry about my sloppy writing, spellin' and such...but I'm not going to bother with it... I think it's clear enough and I'm tired out...and I need to get some air... a lot of it.

Phoenix Venus

05-08-2013, 10:32 PM

here is me: http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/lickdafoot/licka111-1-1.jpg

So yeah, i'm short like you mentioned. By fair i thought you could have meant "pale". not that it really matters if i don't look how you dreampt because i'm thoroughly convinced that that was me, if for nothing more than the "reiki" thing (i had the strangest compulsion to mention it) and the timing of your post with my own thoughts at the time. (seriously.. check this thread out.. i posted in it right before you posted your dream: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63322)

It wouldn't surprise me that we knew each other in a past life, I usually will have a strong first impression of people, only to find out that we have "past life" synastry links... i had that same intrigue regarding you from your posts in the guitar thread.. which is why i attempted to reach out to you by posting on your wall and saying hi to you in some other random thread.

(so now you can think i am a weirdo :P)

Would you mind sending me your birth details? I'm curious :)

renovation/remodelling/lots of piles of stuff everywhere and lumber: exactly how my house looked over the weekend.

Phoenix Venus

05-09-2013, 04:14 AM

piercethevale

05-09-2013, 05:31 AM

Does anyone happen to know the parts for:

Murder
Murder 1
Murder for profit
Rape
Pedophilia or Sexual Abuse of Child
Hidden Body or Evidence
Psychopathy

I realize that there may not be a corresponding part, but what would you suggest one look for in the above scenarios?

(I am only interested in any info one might have on parts, I know about fixed stars, etc., thanks in advance!)

My thought on this is that I think you'd have to go with whatever the motive was [or is]
There are a number of Parts that could indicate motive.
There's a Part of Perversion [aka Part of Fascination]
a Part of Retribution
a Part of Treachery
a Part of Deceit
a Part of Discord
a Part of Repression
a Part of Malignancy [aka Part of Cancer. But, I think one must also consider a Malignancy as something that feeds off of a healthy organism and eventually destroys it ]
a Part of Corruptness
a Part of Slander
a Part of False Love
...and there are more and also some that can be twisted into something grotesque.. possibly any of the Parts has a potential for a 'Dark or Down Side'

piercethevale

05-09-2013, 05:55 AM

I was looking at the bookshelf this afternoon, after clearing it out to loan a few books to someone. The book “archangels and ascendant masters” was on the edge, laying crooked. I picked it up. I never look at the “Acknowledgement” pages but for some reason I stopped there. I scanned the page for names. The phrase “Thanks for the Reiki” popped out.
And… Oh of course, maybe your dream was a premonition about my lifepath. Another astrologer, who was teaching me horary, suggested reiki. This was about 2 months ago. You depicted my attitude on life pretty well regarding the connection to how I was in the dream – sharing intamacies; just open to sharing experience.
I decided to start writing dates down. I went to look for a journal, and found a couple of my old journals. One only had about ten pages of notes in it, about horary. The other was a dream journal.
IT’s funny how these things become amplified when you take notice. I think these synchronicities are always possible in life, it’s just that they get noticed when you meet someone else that acknowledges them, which is rather rare to find in this marvelously big and crazy world.
Anyways, an interesting pursuit is looking at sabian symbols regarding times of dreams. I wrote down every date in my dream journals, funny, I would write down those and not real events. I think I’ll start doing both now, just to see.
I know all the constant chatter is hijacking this thread but ptv's pms don't work!! PLUS gemini moon with merc in first can talk a lot, when scorpio rising and pluto in first intensifies it.
Someone had a parts question and I’ll bring that post back up at some point to attempt to explore it.
Ptv, still looking forward to your chart if you are willing :P

Hey again.
I've got my chart posted in so many threads I figured you'd probably seen it.
I saw yours this afternoon and we do have quite the synastry going on...and that's just from about a 45 second perusal.

Too much activity here at my apt today to really get a chance to sleep...I have nodded off a number of times but haven't manged to get anything longer than about 15 minutes.
I guess I've been up about a little over 30 hours and that was after getting about six hours of sleep after going a bit too long on the birthday thing...as I din't really get to celebrate my 50th birthday [I was in jail then...never had been in trouble with the law b 4...it has to do with the 'Hair' incident... an, NO I didn't harm anyone, I wanted to get the **** out of this town for awhile and went over to a friends that owed me money and I got a bit overt in demanding some money...and the Sacramento D.A. is quite prideful of their conviction rate and i got hustled by the Public Defender and the Judge as they got me to "waive time" by telling me they believed my account of things but hadn't had the time yet to check out my witnesses and all that rot... later I was told I could either take the 'charges' they were willing to offer and do 4 months or I could wait 6 to 7 months for a trial and I wouldn't get credit for time served if I was found guilty. [I did stand my ground somewhat and got the charges offered reduced and when they tole me I would have to take drug testing, rehab...all that b.s because I admitted to someone that I smoked a bit of weed now and then but that I also had my doctors recommendation to do so for the pain of the herniated discs and the stress I suffered from the lawsuit I had been fighting for my Workers Compensation and pressure from my former bosses at my civil service job and they were concerned as I knew too much about theft, stealing of public funds, threats, intimidation, payoffs to other employees that had evidence and threatened to sue... they figured that as I now no longer needed their crummy job I was free to sing... [truth is I always was]. ..btw Sacramento Jail is the second worst in the Nation.... Los Angeles is the worst... but I had to find that out from the other inmates. When they told me about the testing and rehab I said "F*** you, I'll sit here six months...I'll wait a year if that's what it takes, because i am innocent and I'll get my witnesses in the courtroom." I've never seen a judge so p'd off ...even in the movies." [I do get a smile from that once in awhile.]

here's my chart.

Phoenix Venus

05-09-2013, 12:19 PM

David… (I suppose it’s no surprise that you are a musician!!! You have my bf’s name. ) my name is stacey, btw. It means resurrection.

My computer is being a d***head and it won’t open up your image. Haha go figure. Oh well, practice in patience. I'll be able to access it soon enough. J

Btw, I think I should clarify – regarding that I was drawn to you, it was just a mild acknowledgement that had no bearing on my pursuit of the sabians, (I didn’t even read any of those threads until after I posted my thing about chiron, so I had no idea you were into them) I’ve had that “feeling”regarding others enough to know not to force it, sometimes the other people aren’t ready to accept those kinds of connections and end up being scared of it.

I thought this might be of interest: I searched for “part of catastrophe” in the forum last night and saw your thread asking about pluto crossing over that part. I’ve been trying to make sense of that whole mess regarding my part (I have neptune, conjunct the part of corruptness/fale love at 6 cap, and part of catastrophe at 7 cap.) Pluto passed over this part in december of 2011. This is when I FIRST started getting insights into (it started around oct/nov) “the state of the world.” The “illuminati” or people that be, cover ups, etc. etc.It might have been around december that i said the prayer to become saved, but i'm not certain.. might have been a couple months later.. (i posted about it in the transit section in a post about spiritual awakenings.)

I never considered it to be a catastrophe. I was so ever grateful for waking up to the truth that I spend much of that month in tears of awe... Actually, I ASKED to see the truth, and was shown it!

And that makes me realize why I mentioned that thing about yoga in an earlier post. It was for my own mental connection. Some odd weeks ago I went out into the woods by the creek out back, and prayed to be shown my path so that I can reach my full potential, in order to help others. I remember that I did some yoga moves (The few very basic ones that I knew of) and some of my own movements, after I prayed. Hmmm…. I think I might keep up with it, certain movements DO evoke a certain energy….

Yesterday, moon was transiting over my natal jupiter. This is at the same degree as my part of “mothers family” and “spiritual inheritance.” The symbol reads “a man posessed of more gifts than he can hold.” Man, it’s so fitting of how I often feel in regards to spirituality. It’s why my posts have been so long, so much is going around in my head. All these connections just start to overflow.

Hope you got some sleep. I didn’t get much either last night, and I think I’ll take a nap before heading to work J

Phoenix Venus

05-09-2013, 12:39 PM

Aha! It opened.

OMG, i knew it. Your saturn is conjunct my sun. The orb is a liiitttle wide, under 5 degrees, but it's there.

This connection (their saturn on one of my personals) has been in every chart (that i've gotten to see at least) of people i've suspected of being past life or karmic connections.

(i wonder why they are always the saturn and i am the personal planet... it's never been the other way around?!!!)

This point is also opposing a conjunction with your mercury and my jupiter. I think maybe the moon crossing over that point must have had part to do with bringing this about - moon rules both of our 9th house of visions/dreams.

I'll have to take more of a look later but that poppped out at me.

Also your moon and IC are conjunct (different degree but mine is at 23.57 and yours is close to early 24) my part of "noble & illustrious acquaintances)

Heres what parts i have at your other axis points:

17.04 scorpio - asc+sun-mars - ("retribution, initiative")
17.14 taurus - asc+merc-jup - ("hope, association, integrity, sensitivity")

and at 25.25 leo - just over a degree away asc+sun-ura - (individuality)

Phoenix Venus

05-09-2013, 02:10 PM

I have had a few more of these 'Uber vivid and colour enriched dreams just recently [prior to the 608 dream] and they all had some potion that involved suddenly being in some other surrounding than from whence the dream started where I started wandering trying to figure out where i was and trying to get back to where I had been, One was so startling in it's vivid beauty and in the dream I recognized [or thought I did] it as a part of the Los angeles area near where I grew up [and in fact was actually born.] that being Glendale and the Pasadena area, as there are some beautiful older buildings that were built in a 'Spanish style' and the old growth of trees in those areas does [or did, as I haven't been in L.A. since 1991] give it a 'rich verdant' garden like feel to it...

You know, i was just thinking about this post you made..

A couple of months ago, I had this dream where i was walking home, but i wasn't in my actual neighborhood, I was in california. This is one of the VERY RARE times where i actually envisioned myself in a real "location" (rather than just wherever.)

In the dream, i lost my purse, so i started to walk back.. i was wandering for a while, getting lost, and suddenly realized that i always do this in dreams and became lucid. So i turned the town into a GARDEN with trees that had SPANISH MOSS growing on them (one of my favorite types of tree.) Birds started flying around me, they were so very bright and colorful, and vivid, and making song, they were flying up into the trees, so i went and flew with them.

Idk, idk. weird though. I didn't realize the similarities at first because this was a while back, a few months ago. This was the last lucid dream that i had. I haven't been remember much of my dreams lately, as i've adopted a new schedule due to outside circumstances, have to get up at 6:00 am each morning, way before my normal waking time.

I don't remember much of what the town looked like, aside from that the sun was really bright, and everything was light, with kind of lowish buildings and clean sidewalks. i was walking past some shops and stuff.

But the stange connection with birds and spirituality. I've been seeing GROUND birds lately. (i always notice the animals that i see, especially the birds, and i see owls way more often than anyone else in the area does.) I keep seeing these same 3 ducks every day for the past week.

piercethevale

05-09-2013, 05:31 PM

From my Yeshu'a/Jesus natal chart, His Part of Love & Appreciation is @ 25 :leo: 37'.
Birds, all kinds, symbolically represent spiritual entities or energies/forces. They often have the same representation in the physical.
I've had a few experiences with birds that go way beyond most peoples parameter of belief.
For Xmas in 2010, my brother sent me the box set of the HBO series, Deadwood. [Great series, btw] In one of the latter episodes a woman died and a bird flies into a window at one of the saloons in the town and one of the dudes at the saloon remarks to another that it is an omen or sign of someone having died.
I live on a bluff overlooking the American River, in Orangevale, Calif. I have the only view of the river [actually, Lake Natoma] there is nothing between my kitchen and living room windows and the 60 ft to the edge of the bluff and the equestrian trail that cuts down the bluff to Negro Bar, State Park, below. This area is known for it's diversity and plentitude of fowl.
I moved into this apt., which is one of the ends of the horse shoe shaped complex upstairs, in May of 2007.
In the spring of a couple of the years since, as the birds start nesting, a bird has flow up to the kitchen window and pecked at it. This is not uncommon as it is known that birds will mistake a glass window for some kind of open alcove and sometimes one will try to make access for the purpose of building a nest.
My mom passed away on Jan. 7th, 2011. [if you check in the Music Playlist thread on that date I was up at two am and had posted an old Peggy Lee song as I was up late that night and was reminiscing about some of the oldies that were favs. of folks back in the 50s and early 60s...stuff my parents generation listened to. I had talked to my mom on the phone about 10 pm as she had caught a cold or virus a couple of days prior and she told me that she was feeling real rough...but there was something going around and everyone seemed to be getting it...although I didn't come down with it. I had spent more time with here that previous summer and early fall as she needed a minor operation for intestinal blockage and drove her to the hospital, stayed with her for tests and house sat for her...that kind of stuff. So, I had some real quality time with her for the first time in some years and she recovered nicely [as it was just a minor incision] and she had been getting a bit frail, but she was 82 years old now and that was to be expected.
She died apprx. the exact moment I had posted the tune, "Is That All There Is" by Peggy Lee, as I found out in the morning.

A few days later my roomate Rick and I were watching the episode of Deadwood with the bird thing and the next day one flew up to the kitchen window and pecked at it...nothing new, although it was a diminutive blue bird and looking through my field guide for birds of the American River area I couldn't find anything on it. We have blue birds in Calif. but not small ones.
The next day it happened again, and it came back a couple of times that day and pecked at the window, still...nothing new. That had happened over the years I had been living here. Third day , again...a few times. Fourth day, again...and the fifth, and sixth....this went on a couple of weeks ...always at the kitchen window. Then one day it came to my bedroom window that faces the parking lot...now that was strange. No bird had ever tried any window other than the kitchen window and maybe the living room window a couple of times, but the living room window faces the river too, like the kitchen window.
Then everyday for about a week, the same bird tried the bedroom window if I was in the bedroom and would try the kitchen window if I was in the kitchen.
on about the third week, while Rick and I were watching another episode of Deadwood the bird tried the living room window...this finally got Rick to raise an eye at me...and He is such a skeptic about 'touchy-feely' things.
He did some research and found out that this blue bird isn't supposed to be west of the Rockies and showed me the book and picture and I looked at it and said; ''Yep, that's the bird alright."...and I could see that Rick was starting to get just a little bit unnerved.
The incidents gort more numerous and intensified and only at the window of what ever room I happened to be in at the time....for about 40 days, this went on.

I called my clairvoyant friend and spiritual confidante, Clarisse, on around the time of the 35th day and just began to get into the account when Clarisse interrupted and said with a loud note in a cheery way, "All's well, from the Other Side!" :smile::lol::biggrin:

Phoenix Venus

05-09-2013, 07:51 PM

Yes, it had to have been a (or multiple) spiritual presence(s). I can't remember how many birds there were - at least 2 that flew right up to me (one red and one green, i want to say..) but i seem to remember there being many of them. I remember how wonderful i felt in that dream when i was flying with the birds. I've experienced that same feeling in dreams before, otherwise almost always having to do with the sky. one rather strong one was a dream where i was standing outside of my house, and the sun and the moon were coming together in the sky, and somehow reflecting off of one another to make a third light.. the sky was very brightly orange and i remember saying to someone that it felt like i was in God's presence in that dream. So.. there is this connection with the birds leading up to the sky.....

(btw, i hadn't been keeping a dream journal for the past few years, but i remember having the compulsion to write this dream down somewhere. crossing my fingers that i can find it and i wrote the date down.)

anways I am feeling very grateful today, for everyone involved that worked to do this. I've never quite experienced something like this before. I've had plenty of minor synchronistic happenings, (quite a few dealing with birds but not as persistent as what you described) and also some premonition-type dreams before, though never this sort of dream linking with someone.... (well, at least, not that i got the opportunity to find out about) it's very nice to get a bit of confirmation that things are going right. It was definitely some form of divine intervention. I am truly touched. I'm over the bizarre, surprised, holy canoli feeling, and just at a place of acceptance... :)

piercethevale

05-09-2013, 09:54 PM

piercethevale

05-09-2013, 11:37 PM

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 12:40 AM

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 01:42 AM

Hi Phoenix V.
I took the time to go more carefully over the astrological oriented portions of your posts and want to say.
So far there hasn't been one Part to demonstrate switching from diurnal to noctunal [or vice versa] is correct. I asked Clarisse about the Part of Fortune/Part of Soul/Spirit controversy some years ago and she said we're not to switch them, pointing out [as I already sensed] that to do so changes the meaning no matter what time of day [or night]...I sense the same for all the rest of such parts...although their is one, possible two, that I think might make the 'exception' list.
As to those using the PoS or the PoF in the formula, I'm still sensing a no.
I do hope to get an extensive "private", reading with Clarisse soon up where she lives in the Chico area. There are somethings to discuss that should be done under a "Cone of Silence" and not over the telephone. That'll happen before too much longer.

As I realized, only a moment ago, that it is your Part of Destiny that the Samarian woman symbol is part of ... To me, that's indicating you are one of those that can see Him for who and what he really was/is. .someone not indoctrinated to look for Him to be, to believe Him to be as to what others have told you he was.

Have you read any of my thread on Him in the Degree Forum?
If you're interested I recommend going to actastrology.co so as to get the most concise presentation of the material...here:
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=196

when you say part of destiny is the samarian woman symbol do you mean because it talks of overcocming the past? i seem to have multiple symbols that mention almost this exact theme...??

My asc, which is a broken perfume bottle, mentions breaking away from the past.my part of destiny which you mentioned. My moon sign, which is also my part of female intelligence, symbolises a girl who fights for independence in a city, is about breaking away from the ghosts of the past. I think theres a couple more like that but can't remember what. (i asked in the tarot thread if i was that woman in a past life and the card i got was the heirophant, aka pope, which is my part of hyleg)

Anyways, I would like to understand who He really is... it's been rather challenging to find the truth, as there is every reason to believe that things have been distorted and supressed.. much disinfo.. but of course i think the idea that those who are true of intention will reach understanding is very.. well, true. lol.

so i'm going to go read that post.

when i was doing the bunch of readings in the read my chart section, i noticed that it is fairly obvious within the chart which one is fortune and spirit? just by what the rest of the symbols said, a lot of them had night time charts and i got the formulas mixed in my head.. but i seemed to be pretty sure at one point that the daytime formulas were working better. but it makes sense that the same formula should work always.

i was wondering if you could tell me more about how to interperet the part of catastrophe, within a chart, just in general.. is it inevitable? does it always have to be bad...?

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 01:55 AM

Oh, P.V. btw...your M.C. is conj. the USA natal charts' [zero hour chart] Part of Occultism aka Part of Guidance aka Part of Inspiration [Asc. + :neptune: - :uranus:] @ 05* :leo: 00' 54" ...and the N. Node of the USA natal is @ 06* :leo: 35' 08 [which is my S. Node, btw @ 06* :leo 54']

...and the Part of Revelation [Asc. + :moon: - :neptune:] for my Yeshu'a chart happens to be @ 05* :leo: 43' 01...
cool, huh?

so what does it mean having your north node reaching a new mutation... maybe reaching a higher lane of existence. it mentions freedom from ancestral ties, which would be reaching "beyond the earth" (there are some connections between reincarnation and the bible and ascending past the earth into the sky, which kind of fits at even a more cosmic scale, when the sun expands into and past the earth..) what is the difference in terms of life path betwen reaching the north node and reaching the descendent? do they rely on each other?

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 02:06 AM

I'll read those later...but as to a part of Destiny mines at 16* Scorpio 32' 12'' ...right where the N.Node is today...
I just posted a lot in the USA "WHO" thread on those extra Parts I figured out for the Man from Naz.

...check 'em out :wink:

ps...btw my Par of Hyleg is in the 7th deg. of Cap ...
...compare the two symbols...

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 02:26 AM

will check it out now.

btw, a friend just said to me... "i think the aliens must be watching you, for what you openly say on the internet."

I said, "yes, but The others are watching me too." ;)

Also, he said "tell me about the aliens! Tell me about the aliens!" And i started to tell him, and will continue to tell him what i know. Did i just go into a full circle? Lol.

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 03:23 AM

ps...btw my Par of Hyleg is in the 7th deg. of Cap ...
...compare the two symbols...

omg.. okay, my boyfriend and i were talking today about my nephew and godson and how he is very intelligent but i can already see signs of "brainwash" mentality, and he said to me (he's very spiritually inclined, but doesn't quite know it yet?) "yes, but if you don't go through the brainwash, you can't come out on the other side"

after reading those two symbols (you meant 6 & 7 cap right) it clicked.

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 04:06 AM

when you say part of destiny is the samarian woman symbol do you mean because it talks of overcocming the past? i seem to have multiple symbols that mention almost this exact theme...??

My asc, which is a broken perfume bottle, mentions breaking away from the past.my part of destiny which you mentioned. My moon sign, which is also my part of female intelligence, symbolises a girl who fights for independence in a city, is about breaking away from the ghosts of the past. I think theres a couple more like that but can't remember what. (i asked in the tarot thread if i was that woman in a past life and the card i got was the heirophant, aka pope, which is my part of hyleg)

Anyways, I would like to understand who He really is... it's been rather challenging to find the truth, as there is every reason to believe that things have been distorted and supressed.. much disinfo.. but of course i think the idea that those who are true of intention will reach understanding is very.. well, true. lol.

so i'm going to go read that post.

when i was doing the bunch of readings in the read my chart section, i noticed that it is fairly obvious within the chart which one is fortune and spirit? just by what the rest of the symbols said, a lot of them had night time charts and i got the formulas mixed in my head.. but i seemed to be pretty sure at one point that the daytime formulas were working better. but it makes sense that the same formula should work always.

i was wondering if you could tell me more about how to interperet the part of catastrophe, within a chart, just in general.. is it inevitable? does it always have to be bad...?
I believe that the part of Catastrophe is inevitable but it is for a reason...mine caused me to go to L.A. for 9 mos, in 1984...and if it hadn't of happened i would have never gotten into astrology.

As to what your Part of Destiny is trying to tell you...you're just going to have to decide for your self, I'm afraid... I really don't want that kind of responsibility...ifuknowaddimean? [but, I can dig where you're going with it...]

I gave you my Part of Destiny as I thought it might help you get an idea... Yeshu'a's is at 13* :capricorn: 14' ...i.e. the 14th* of Capricorn...check that one out.

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 04:11 AM

Here's the 14th of Capricorn... you'll see what I'm driving at.

"AN ANCIENT BAS-RELIEF CARVED IN GRANITE REMAINS A WITNESS TO A LONG-FORGOTTEN CULTURE.

KEYNOTE: [I]The will to unearth, in our culture as well as in any culture, what has permanent value, and to let go of nonessentials.

At a time when in nearly every land men are questioning and challenging the validity of traditional beliefs and customary attitudes, it becomes necessary to separate permanent values and great principles or symbols from the many individual habits and the socio-political developments which more often than not have perverted or even negated the original ideals of the culture. We must strive to free these ideals from the wild growth of personal and class selfishness, from the greed and ambition so prevalent in human nature, and learn to appreciate the excellence of what is the immortal seed-foundation, as well as the spiritual harvest, of any culture — and by extension of every sustained and complete work produced by a man's indomitable effort to achieve creative perfection.

In this fourth stage symbol we are shown the procedure which enables us to gain a deep and thorough appreciation of socio-cultural processes in their most enduring forms. What is needed is a penetrating and courageous insight founded upon a valid HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. This applies to the past of an individual's life as well as to the history of a nation or a group."

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 04:14 AM

...and the beauty of it is, that NOW that we know that the Part of Catastrophe is symbolically active ...forewarned is forearmed...Translation: Yeah, it's gotta happen ...but you can mitigate it...

B-u-tea-full ...ain't it?

...I just reached my burnt out state for the day... so, anything else will have to wait.

but you definitely got MAD SKILLS at this girl... seriously

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 04:23 AM

omg.. okay, my boyfriend and i were talking today about my nephew and godson and how he is very intelligent but i can already see signs of "brainwash" mentality, and he said to me (he's very spiritually inclined, but doesn't quite know it yet?) "yes, but if you don't go through the brainwash, you can't come out on the other side"

after reading those two symbols (you meant 6 & 7 cap right) it clicked.

I was referring to the 17th of Scorpio as my Part of Destiny and the 7th of Capricorn as my Part of Hyleg...

...gotta crash out... landing gear is down, flaps down, trimming the engines...
........
...........
..............

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 04:33 AM

[QUOTE=piercethevale;471940]I was referring to the 17th of Scorpio as my Part of Destiny and the 7th of Capricorn as my Part of Hyleg...

[QUOTE]

ahh, okay, well.. i see the connection there, definitely.

the need to succumb to god's plan so that he can give you a voice for the generation.

guess it's just easier doing it for someone else.. or maybe it's the ominous nature of that symbol.. it will come in time, just gotta let it marinate :cool:

...... well i suppose it means the need to let go of materialism and illusory deception (by use of signs & astrology) in order to go to the light.... ahhh, cause the samaria lady was on the fringe of her society due to letting go of societie's ideals and accepting a new way of being..

AHA... by way of bringing others to the light, giving blessings so to speak, which would fully seperate from the past.. because it would be an integration back in society.. through spirituality!!

(i told that friend earlier that i would take him into the light, if thats what he wanted. yes, full circle in one day indeed... hmm.... one small circle to lead to one Great circle)

ck out my post in your Yeshua chart thread (in case you missed it.)

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 10:57 AM

One small circle for a woman, one great circle for Humankind...
....hmmmm?

I LIKE IT!

MAD SKILLS! :biggrin:

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 02:36 PM

hey.. you wouldn't happen to have any parts at or near the symbol for 25 gem, would you?

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 06:12 PM

hey.. you wouldn't happen to have any parts at or near the symbol for 25 gem, would you?

Three come to mind offhand...as I haven't collated mine like I've done with everyone elses.
Part of Brethren @ 24* :gemini: 19'
and
Part of Speculation aka Part of Behest @ 24* :gemini: 34'
and
Part of Friends @ 25* :gemini: 54'

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 07:06 PM

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 09:13 PM

Ahh, okay.. that's what my pof & part of eros are.. (24.51 & 24.31) the symbol is "a gardener trimming large palm trees" (i think it's talking about the pruning of ideals by blending thinking & feeling through symbolism... it also mentioned "protest against the past" which is interesting...)

which formula did you use for part of brethren?

also, man... your description for part of advancement/nemsis is right on.. RIGHT. ON.

Brethren: Asc. + Jupiter - Saturn ... can you see the connection of my Po Speculation and Behest upon your PoF and Po Eros... I know you do...that was a rhetorical Q.

and PoF & Po Eros in the same degree.... my...OH MY...

...I MUST SAY...

piercethevale

05-10-2013, 09:15 PM

Which description of Sudden Advancement/Nemesis are you referring to? Jesus'?

...and I am High... so High.... High Above....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA1I11IeF8U

...won't someone join me, please?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA1I11IeF8U
[...because I'm starting to come apart... a part.... a p a r t.... ]

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 10:00 PM

Phoenix Venus

05-10-2013, 10:03 PM

Phoenix Venus

05-11-2013, 12:43 AM

Part of ASC + MOON – NEPTUNE for your chart of Yeshua = LEO 6. does this seem as something Yeshua was spiritually protected from? Or something he was sensitive to….
A CONSERVATIVE, OLD-FASHIONED LADY IS CONFRONTED BY A "HIPPIE" GIRL.
KEYNOTE: The need to transcend our subservience to fashion, in morals as well as in clothes.
We are dealing now with cultural values and the emotional impact they have upon our character formation. Whereas the first degree of Leo dealt with an individual crisis of reorientation, the sixth degree refers to a collective, cultural and social crisis which challenges us to realize THE RELATIVITY OF SOCIAL VALUES.
Hmm..? I think he easily transcended social and cultural crises.. especially the word “relativity” as his truth seemed to be an objective, static truth. but he was ultimately brandished by the people of his time..
Here is yours, PTV. Watcha think?

A TABLE SET FOR AN EVENING MEAL.
KEYNOTE: An indication that in the end and at the appointed time the individual's needs will be met among those to whom he is linked by a spiritual (or biological) web of energies. The significant element in this scene is not only the meal, but the fact that it is an "evening" meal. To use traditional symbolism, after a long chain of personal existences the Soul returns to its spiritual home at the close of the day-of-manifestation. There it finds that which renews and amply sustains; the happiness of the "beyond of existence" is experienced — if all has gone well.

Btw does this not remind you of “the last supper” hmmmmm?
(mine happens to be conjunct my part of debate/daring action/arrogance.. also my part of imprisonment is a symbol of aggressive action.. which is why I thought maybe this part related to being spiritual protection… which the symbol for that degree oddly related to, which I found to be the case [between part/symbol] quite a bit… did that make any sense whatsoever lol?)

Well anyway, the symbols seem significant, if not for the title that I gave, then something, as these planets are pretty significant when combined together in a natal…

Phoenix Venus

05-11-2013, 12:47 AM

omfg.. *facepalm*.. i just realized that you have given it a title, revelation, and it makes sense too of course haha. yay...... >_<

there is probably a part of protection though...

okay.. so i was just just lying here, almost drifting of to sleep, and realized... parts in conjunction can be activated through one another. for example what i was talking about before, when i took a break from astrology, for about a year maybe year 1/2, i sometimes frequented a debate site.. so the part of debate ended up activating part of revelation... HUH. OH. OKAY. good to know...

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 11:37 AM

Yes i think i do see the connections...

Re Sudden advancement, I was reffering to your general description of it on this thread, based on looking at my chart and 2 other people i know.. i've gotta go look at what you said bout Him :P

what do you think about "spiritual awareness" or "sensitivity" as the indicator for... asc + Moon - Neptune....? could it fit? or maybe... even.. spiritual protection. (this might be bias speculation as i am just oging off of my own chart.. i'd like to look into this one more as it seems too significant of one to be up in the air.. i mean just think of what moon-neptune connections mean in a general context... i'm curious what your thoughts are on this part, if you have explored it at all..?)

YES! That could very well be. My Part of Spiritual Inheritance and Legacy is @ 18* Pisces 56' 13" and my Part of Revelation is @ 19* Pisces 20' 35" within less than a half of a degree of conj. [sort of a casimi] The PoF for Jesus being the 19th of Pisces, the same as my Part of Inherit. & Leg. I may have mentioned the assault I was under a few years ago and how I handled it....pretty sure I did...and the Sabian for the 20th of Pisces does indicate assistance from "Above".

Mad Skills, girl....sheeeesh.

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 12:17 PM

President Obama's Part of Imprisonment is the 19th of Pisces...it was also Amy Winehouses'.... What does that tell you?

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 12:18 PM

Anybody seen the Light? ...now where in the *&%%$# did the Light go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFmlvXx2aJs

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 12:24 PM

...yes, that was/is my Revelation... God does provide....and always...let me say it again ...
ALWAYS
provides...just when I need it most.

Phoenix Venus

05-11-2013, 05:34 PM

President Obama's Part of Imprisonment is the 19th of Pisces...it was also Amy Winehouses'.... What does that tell you?

woahhh yeah.. i remember watching a video where about a few months before Amy Winehouse died, she ominously said in an interview that she was offered a deal from the "triangle" people and turned it down.... ;\

my art of daughters/comfort is at pisces 20.37.. not same degree but it's close there... and i noticed i had a lot of stuff the next degree or so after the chart you have for Yeshua. it's interesting how the symbols progress to the next :P mine talks about a little girl petting a lamb.

HEYY check this out.. your part of revelation mentions the phrase "WEB OF ENERGIES"

I had this thought a few weeks ago.. about the word "internet"

and how it is often described as a spider-like web, (world wide web) plugging in to a vast connection of info (and even in a theoretical sense it LOOKS like a web, as many "databases" of information are spread out throughout the world, all connected to one another) .. and when you say "lets go to the internet" you are affirming that you are entering the net... like everything in the world, there is a positive and negative way to "plug in" (btw, i had this dream about a month ago, like one of the only dreams where i wake up with just a thought and no recollection of a dream.. it was: astrology works because of language. i'm still trying to figure that one out? you mentioned something about studying words so i figured i should pass this along to you.)

An indication that in the end and at the appointed time the individual's needs will be met among those to whom he is linked by a spiritual (or biological) web of energies.

que?

and the plot thickens..

here is my part of revelation:

A LARGE WOMAN'S HAT WITH STREAMERS BLOWN BY AN EAST WIND.
KEYNOTE: Protection and spiritual guidance in the development of consciousness.

umm hello. you have to notice what i do..

The symbolic image implies a rather strong wind, thus the activity of some more-than-material, and especially psychic, forces. These originated in the East, traditionally the seat of spiritualizing and creative-transforming influences. The woman's hat has streamers, which enable it not only to respond to the wind but to indicate its source. In other words, the image symbolizes a stage of development of consciousness in which the nascent powers of the mind are both protected and influenced by energies of a spiritual origin. This suggests a probationary stage in the process of individualization. Under protective guidance a still most receptive person (a woman) is being influenced by spiritual forces.

:)

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 06:16 PM

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 06:19 PM

In fact, I think I'll start on that right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFmlvXx2aJs
...[a lil' inspirational music for the occasion]

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 06:23 PM

...you know...after 36 years I think I finally made out what Belushi said in reply in the scene in the church of James Brown in the Blues Bros. and it's Jesus H. Tap Dancing Christ...

and I flash back to that dream I had about me on those stairs in my sloppy sandals and the street musician... I don't tap dance and have never tried.

Phoenix Venus

05-11-2013, 06:30 PM

LOL... I guess you got my e-mail about the girl in my dream was wearing a large floppy hat, so I couldn't really tell what colour of hair she had...just a few locks that looked dark [not blonde, anyways]
...
I may do a thread on all the Astrological Parts that derive from the Yeshu'a natal chart of mine...just like I did for the USA natal chart i produced [the zero hour, July 4, 1776 Philadelphia chart]...
In fact if I use that one for a template it'll be easy...
hmm... [hmm ....The Triagrammatron... hmm]

it was at 7.07 aries.. moon passed over it the day i first posted in here..? it had passed over yours a few days before that..

the moon passes through quickly so i bet there are always small things like that going on, it's just a matter of picking up on them, my friend :wink:

Very interested in the thread and hearing about this triagrammatron.

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 07:02 PM

I had an old friend that was a Hippy from the Haight back in '67 when He graduated H.S from Fairfax High in Los Angeles and then immediately left for San Francisco. Fairfax was one of the 48 L.A Unified School Dist High Schools and they just happened to be in our athletic league [I played Varsity Tennis and a couple of years of 'B' football {that's for smaller guys}] so was Hollywood High, which was apprx 90% or more caucasian back then it's less than 10% now. Fairfax was the Jewish Ghetto. The Fairfax dist is the dist. right next to Beverly Hills [which is it's own city]. It was about 90% Jewish students then. Fairfax won the divisional and possibly the City championships for Basketball 2 or 3 years ago...so what does that indicate? [Hey! I'm only stating facts here...so don't anybody start accusing me of anything, please. I came from the smallest of the L.A. city H.S.s at 2700 students. We had 1 Afro-American in the entire student body and in our graduating class and he transferred in my senior year. It was about 6% 2nd-3rd or more generation Mexican-American...the rest were all Caucasian. Oh, and always one or two Foreign Exchange students too.] ...what I'm getting at here is that the L.A. neighborhoods have changed a lot since I lived there.

anyways...I digress...
This friend of mine collected record albums, rock posters [he had worked at the Fillmore Theatre for both Family Dog prod. and Bill Graham. That's how he made a living. He didn't even have a S.S. # until 1992 when the State of Calif. started requiring one to get a Drivers Lic.
He lived in a two room cabin on the Russian River in the late 80s and early 90s [it was a veritable shrine to music. He owned over 100,000 records easily,got an autograph from Janis Joplin among his collection of such....and again I'm digressing.
The walls were completely covered with posters..so was the ceiling for that matter, and in the midst of all those there was one poster about the Hebrew alphabet. I was over at his cabin in 1988 and was thinking a bit off and on during that time about how dreams have been my form of Clairvoyant proclivity, I was actually able to induce one when I was 8 yrs old that my dad helped me decipher much to his $$$ benefit.
I know from experience that dreams will communicate through symbolism...even if you have no prior expose to a certain object that appears in the dream...for example, you dream of being South of the American border and you see all these natives, Mexicans, wearing large roundish hats., but you don't know the word nor ever heard of the word , Sombrero ...and you find out later that 'Sombrero' was literally what the dream was trying to communicate to you, but you kept looking for the word 'Hat' [actual case history of two guys using self induced dream divination to obtain highest paying race horse at the track the following day. Sombrero was the highest paying 'winning' {1st place}. I thought that I'd try it and told my dad what I saw and He made some $$$s off that...but I could not do it again...because it ain't right to use that for such. I guess I got a confirmation of ability...which is all that I needed.]
So, anyways... I'm looking at my Jewish friends Hebrew poster and suddenly asked him: "Michael, what do or did the Jews use for numerals ...surely you guys wouldn't have used the Arabic.?" [I, not knowing at the time that the Arabs had borrowed them from India..they are Indian Numerals, not Arabic, a misnomer.] Michael laughed, and said "Of course not. We did the same thing you Dagos did {I'm half Italian} We used a letter with a mark above it [or it may be below, I forget] just like Roman Numerals."
I asked Michael what the number equivalent for 6 is in Hebrew, He replied "The Vav" and I asked "You mean a 'V'", He said; "No, the Vav is the equivalent of a 'W'".
I then blurted out. They've analyzed the Book of Revelation all wrong. The Mark of the Beast will be WWW not 666 [as I know the Devil likes to do things in reverse and or upside down...]..He looked at me blankly... just some months later it was announced to the public of the creation of the World Wide Web.

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 07:18 PM

it was at 7.07 aries.. moon passed over it the day i first posted in here..? it had passed over yours a few days before that..

the moon passes through quickly so i bet there are always small things like that going on, it's just a matter of picking up on them, my friend :wink:

Very interested in the thread and hearing about this triagrammatron.

What thread?
The Triagrammatron thing is a gag... I came up with it the other night. I got just about every one I know of to start using the text:

hmmmmmm...{?} and a number of people on line at various forums [as a number of them caught themselves doing it and then blamed me for the habit]

One friend will only use two 'm's ...so I teased him the other night [as he is a Christian of the Gnostic variety...which, I am too for that matter...although I call myself a "Quaker Mystic" to my Christian and some Jewish Friends...to all others I call myself a Yogi of the Sanatan Dharm .... aka 'Hinduism', but 'Hindu' is a word coined by the British...it is actually a bit of an insult to the Indians that are of that faith/way of life...as one of them will tell you. "It isn't a religion, it's a way of living."]

I dubbed

hmm

the Triagrammatron.

ps... Christians and most Jews I know can't accept that I would consider myself of the Abrahamic faiths and yet also do mantras to Krishna and Rama, et al. The Hindus got no problem with that some of them actually say Hare Yeshu'a.

Phoenix Venus

05-11-2013, 07:29 PM

...what I'm getting at here is that the L.A. neighborhoods have changed a lot since I lived there.

interesting... indeeeed.

I then blurted out. They've analyzed the Book of Revelation all wrong. The Mark of the Beast will be WWW not 666 [as I know the Devil likes to do things in reverse and or upside down...]..He looked at me blankly... just some months later it was announced to the public of the creation of the World Wide Web.

so you are saying we are taking the "mark of the beast" by using the internet? :\

Phoenix Venus

05-11-2013, 07:37 PM

What thread?
The Triagrammatron thing is a gag... I came up with it the other night. I got just about every one I know of to start using the text:

hmmmmmm...{?} and a number of people on line at various forums [as a number of them caught themselves doing it and then blamed me for the habit]

One friend will only use two 'm's ...so I teased him the other night [as he is a Christian of the Gnostic variety...which, I am too for that matter...although I call myself a "Quaker Mystic" to my Christian and some Jewish Friends...to all others I call myself a Yogi of the Sanatan Dharm .... aka 'Hinduism', but 'Hindu' is a word coined by the British...it is actually a bit of an insult to the Indians that are of that faith/way of life...as one of them will tell you. "It isn't a religion, it's a way of living."]

I dubbed

hmm

the Triagrammatron.

ps... Christians and most Jews I know can't accept that I would consider myself of the Abrahamic faiths and yet also do mantras to Krishna and Rama, et al. The Hindus got no problem with that some of them actually say Hare Yeshu'a.

the thread i was referring to was the proposed one of listing all of Yeshuas parts. I had been wondering if you had a list of them somewhere.. and collected some various ones from the threads you had.

Why would Yeshua constrict the love? He wouldn't. I think he would want us to find guidance through others as well as through him, as we are all connected...

I don't know that i would want to label myself as any particular religioun, though at one time claiming to be christian, now claiming to be nothing but learning to be a mix of all.....

PS... who doesn't like a good "hmmmm" :P

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 07:58 PM

Phoenix Venus

05-11-2013, 08:10 PM

Why would He..? Exactly!
I haven't even gotten started on the thread yet...I got my fb page open at the same time and it is such a distraction....

The Internet is THE BEAST...!

...or it might become it...

yet you are comfortable using it? utilizing it for astrology?

i'm not sure that i would have came to many of the revelations that i did, about life, if not for the internet...

(they are trying to censor it..)

Btw, no rush of course. if you need help calculating stuff, let me know.

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 08:27 PM

It was from reading Rudhyar that I learned of 888 and that it is the number of the Christ [not Yeshu'a/Jesus, the man, Whose number is 33 as the Virgin Mary's is 55]
I submitted my book for publication in Dec 2007, the publisher finally got around to it on March 3rd, 2008. March 3, is 33... [and it's followed by March 4th...as in onward Christian soldiers... Marching forth...] 3 is 'G' in the Hebrew alphabet. 5 is 'H'.
clarisee told me in a reading in April of 2008 that she was seeing the number 55 and the words, "Honor the mother". Well, my birthday is May 6...that's 56 ...but I was going to turn 55 that birthday.
To make a long story short...somehow someone got ahold of this info and tried to lure me into having lunch with their mother,["Would you honor my mother...."] as to her mothers' acclaim of admiration for the book I published. I was suspicious of this family for reasons... didn't go.
Although I figured before that arranged day...that my mothers name being Helen Virginia Hough was possibly a 55 ...but didn't really quite make the cut because of the fact she had a middle name..and then it struck me...Her middle name is 'Virgin-ia' [slapped my self upside my forehead] ...
She was my mother in that previous life of mine as Parsival, Herzeloyde. I found out that the number of a certain deck of Saints cards has as its' "Card # 55" Hannah [Anne to the Gentiles] mother of Mirriam [Mary to the Gentiles] Hannah, Anna with an 'H' at each end.
I asked Clarisse if my mother had been "Hannah"...

bingo

now as I said about having 6 prior incarnations with the same soul of a woman for my mother each time... do you think Judas might have been Mary's younger brother, Jesus' teen age Uncle [as Mary was either late in her year of being 16 or up to 8 mos and some weeks after turning 17 ,,,as Edgar Cayce said that Mary became of child at age 16.] It is said that Judas and Jesus looked so much alike that sometimes people mistook one for the other.

Now, I ain't claiming to be...but I have in all frankness written about what two very reputable Clairvoyants have told me [and they don't know one another nor knew of what the other said...if they did it was only by psi power ...so what's the difference? ...but definately didn't know of one another.] and Clarisse has proven herself to me numerous times as to Her ability to see what was or is {no one can accurately foretell the future}. So, I'm just saying...what if? and if one is to believe that... then why not the other statement, of the clairvoyant, of having 6 previous lives with my ma. ...it's just putting two & two together...that's all.

Funny thing...the other day I was looking through Google images for one of Yeshu'a/Jesus and I chance upon a watercolour that is almost a perfect likeness of my younger brother,

ps. I forgot to mention that my sisters' name is Anna, Anna Maria, to be exact... go figure?

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 08:57 PM

yet you are comfortable using it? utilizing it for astrology?

i'm not sure that i would have came to many of the revelations that i did, about life, if not for the internet...

(they are trying to censor it..)

Btw, no rush of course. if you need help calculating stuff, let me know.

The woman that my publisher provided when I asked for a 'Ghost Writer"...I just wanted to be the info guy....even anonymously, if possible.
TGS publishing sent me the name of a woman in Oregon [and Clarisse had told me that before I would be able to move from this area to someplace far away, "...but first you got to go to Oregon." ] The woman turned out to be one of the publishers more prolific authors, Dorothy Leon, who claims to be a chosen disciple of Saint Germaine. [The same that the Ballards claim to have known and that cat named "Philo" that wrote of meeting Him at Mt. Shasta in the 1880s. The same the Theosophists claim to have been in contact with and also Edgar Cayce who admitted was speaking through him, "When needed."] She has written many books on the subject. She also turned out to be an old friend of Suryakant, whom I met while living at the old historic, Folsom Hotel , in Sept. 2003...He, having moved into one of the rooms during the summer while I was in jail. It was from his natal chart I first saw the symbolism for the chart axis and Parts and so on actually demonstrate themselves to be symbolically active...quite literally the symbolism in active participation in synth with the domain of what ever the object of astrological influence might be.
Thats when I next chose to finally read some of the text of Rudhyar's book [having only had it since the summer of 1984 and it now being late 2003..] that I never got around to. Namely the chapter titled, "The Cross and the Star". After reading that chapter, that's when I was finally fully prepared to recognize the Jesus/Yeshu'a chart if I ever came across it. [although I didn't know that at the time...I would've never been so brash even in my fantasies to think I could be so accomplished an astrologer to do something like that. An in all honesty, all I had at the time were the minimal qualifications.]

Dorothy was told by Saint Germaine to "Stay away from the Internet"

I haven't had any such sign, portent, omen, phone call, telegram etc. stating anything about that. Yet, Clarisse has told me to "Walk away for awhile, and go cleanse my self", which embarrassed the heck out of me the first time she said that as I took it to mean for being curious and peeking at some ...ahem... 'pictures' online... she means one picks up some energies from the contact that have to be contended with.

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 09:02 PM

thanks, I have them all, they do need to be proof checked...I always seem to fudge a few with the math.
I'll have them up before long.

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 09:08 PM

I forgot to add that Dorothy lives in Oregon [and Oregon is a Sanskrit or Vedic name for the 'Ether' too... so, Suryakant thought that's what Clarisse was referring to...until the day I told him, "I got my 'Writer'" and he asked, "Who is it"...you shoulda seen his face when I told him... and mine after he told me she was an old friend of his...

Wow... it was moment of some kind of ...like Jake, in the foyer of the church ...you start running in place...LOL ...can't do no somersaults...]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFmlvXx2aJs

piercethevale

05-11-2013, 09:15 PM

I must add the disclaimer that I in no way intend directly or indirectly to state that there is in fact an "Antichrist", nor that either clairvoyant is correct with their past life 'observations' and subsequent interpretations of such. I do not claim to be assuredly that of anyone in a prior life.
Thanks, ptv

piercethevale

05-27-2013, 03:42 AM

Of note I added to the list today, the Part of Mental Capacity aka Part of Short Distance Travels: Asc. + Cusp 3rd - :mercury:

piercethevale

06-04-2013, 07:40 AM

I have, tentatively, redefined two Parts, Asc. + Sun - Part of Fortune ~and~ Asc. + Part of Fortune - Sun ... according to as suggested and given demonstration of by Phoenix Venus in Metaphysica's thread here: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63524

p.s. added notation that Asc. + Sun - Part of Fortune is identified as the diurnal formula and the other nocturnal.
I personally don't believe in alternate formulas for nocturnal births and have seen no evidence to support the claims as to this day,...not one substantiating example in the 29 years I've been studying astrology.

piercethevale

06-19-2013, 10:43 AM

I wish to inform all that I added that the formulae Asc. + Mars - Saturn and Asc. + Saturn - Mars are the two given for, respectively, the diurnal and nocturnal formulae for the Part of Substanciae or Point of Substance, and also the, Lot of Accusation.