Speech development

[pisceskitty]

Hello,

My son has been going to a speech therapist. He has had numerous tests' catscans, MRI's etc....One specialist said that he has autism. Another specialist says he doesn't....Does my son have autism?

December 8th 2006
4:13pm
Brooklyn, NY[Kings County]

[Arian Maverick]

By the title of this thread, I originally thought you were going to inquire if your son had a speech development issue that needed to be resolved and my mind strayed towards my parents, imagining the moment they asked about my brother's autism so many years ago. I then read through your post and nearly had to blink away tears, for I had no idea your son's speech development was so severe to be diagnosed as autism.

Nearly twenty years later, it seems it is still difficult to get a proper diagnosis...

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Arian Maverick

[Draco]

This is one of those horaries I had to respond to.

Your son is represented by Virgo on the fifth cusp, and so Mercury, lord of communication. Mercury has just entered it's sign of detriment in a human-voiced sign, and in the radix sixth, so is a perfect description of a disorder of speech. The change of sign from Scorpio to Sagittarius, indicates that the communication problem has just entered a critical period, moving from being peregrine to being detriment, he goes from bad to worse.

The sixth from the fifth gives Saturn as significator of illness, showing there is something wrong, because Saturn is detrimented and retrograde, so indicates disorder, and being both fixed and angular shows that this is either an enduring or unshakeable condition, and with Saturn in the radix fourth, it would be a genetic heritage.

Saturn is detrimented in Leo, meaning that it cannot fulfill it's essential nature of reservation and control in this sign, Saturn's nature of structural order is further collapsed by Saturn's retrogradation. If autism pertains to a disability regarding boundaries and rules, regulations, strictures and authority, if it is characterised by impediments regarding order, discipline and structure, then this may be showing autism.

Off the cuff, I don't know enough about autism to make a certain judgement, but I thought autism was largely a behavioural disorder, and Saturn is all about 'behaving' and coordinating appropriately according to the customs and confines of the status quo, so with Saturn essentially and accidentally impedited and ruler of the turned sixth, then this may show autism.

From here on I will presume that Saturn refers to autism and interpret accordingly.

Saturn and Mercury have no receptions at all with one and other, so as there is no inclination between the autism and the boy, the connection between himself and autism is less than obvious, which would suggest why you have received conflicting opinions. There is no current aspectual contact between Saturn and Mercury, but Mercury's last aspect was a square with Saturn before leaving for it's sign of detriment, so the contact of Mercury to Saturn means that the speech impediment has reached a critical period as a consequence of the illness, but this occurs subtly, due to lack of reception.

We can look further into the chart, to focus in on the speech impediment in particular, and your son's cusp of immediate communication is the third from the fifth, bringing us to the seventh in Sagittarius. This is interesting, because this gives Jupiter in domicile as the significator of your son's communicative faculties, suggesting that these qualities are in fact latently strong in your son, but Mercury is not conductive to Jupiter's essence, so your sons latent communication abilities are hampered by his inability to express them, and as Mercury has previously been tainted by a hard aspect with Saturn, then this difficulty is occasioned by the illness, that inabilty to form and structure.

Until now, your son's own significator has provided a good symbol of a speech impediment, being Mercury at it's critical ingress to it's sign of detriment and in the radix sixth, but we can further focus on the speech impediment itself by seeking the sixth from the seventh for illness of the son's communication. This brings us to the twelfth cusp in Taurus, and so to Venus as significator of the speech impediment. Notice that Venus also separates from aspect with Saturn, a further testimony that the speech impediment is occasioned by the illness, as both the significator of the boy, which in itself aptly symbolises communication difficulties, and the more specific significator of the speech impediment are coloured by contact with detrimented Saturn.

The Moon is general significator of your son, the subject of the horary, and the Moon wanes toward conjunction with Saturn, and like Mercury, has also reduced in essential dignity with it's recent passage from it's sign of domicile, Cancer. These indications from both signifcators shows a recent deterioraton in the son's condition.

The Moon moving toward Saturn shows a time at which the son comes into contact, which is perhaps acknowledgement of, the illness. So I wonder if this represents an affirmative diagnosis or some sort of test which would confirm autism. In any case, the conjunction of the Moon to Saturn would show some sort of signifcant unifying contact, the connection between son and illness being made complete. I'm rubbish with timing, but the distance the Moon would have to be progressed to join Saturn is twenty degrees, and using a medium timescale of days, weeks and months, and as the applying planet is fixed (longest) and cadent (shortest), I would go for the middle timing of weeks, so in twenty weeks / five months, taking us to early May 2007, there will be some significant event binding your son with the illness.

[2rainbows]

hi pisceskitty,
my son exists somewhere on the autistic spectrum. i am not in err to see autism as awe-tism, an incredible ability covered as a disability.
it is only an avenue for us to break down placing children in categories and saying they must do this, that and the other thing at specific ages. if you allow your son to set up his development process, he will do so and do it very well.
my daughter does not hang on the autistic spectrum, and i would not want to try to change either of them.
i did get my son minimal therapy as i was learning all i know about disabilities along the way. however it is very hard to know whether or not his therapy simply coincided with his own natural ability to develop.
how old is your son? my son will soon be 6. he is advanced in some areas and is behind in others. overall, a well rounded, typical little boy. the only thing i am unsure of is whether or not he has the paranormal ability of automatic writing.
2rainbows

[Summery Joy]

Pisceskitty,

I'm sorry to hear about your son's problem. I've looked at the chart. The answer I got was no, it's unlikely to be autism, but he probably suffers from something else causing this speech development problem

Here's how I got there;

There are two ways to look at this chart.
1) regular significator beholding way
2) is the rumor true way

First way;

You are the querent and thus you are ruled by the 1st house. Your son is ruled by the 5th. The cusp is in Virgo and thus your son is signified by Mercury in Sagittarius in the radix 6th. The radix 5th (his turned first) also rules his physical health.

The significator is quite descriptive of the quesited, the ruler of communication in detriment. Mercury, as the significator of your son's health, it is in essential debility and accidental dignity by being in the turned 2nd. It's it accidental debility in the radix chart by being in the 6th. I has minor essential dignity by being in its own term. Obviously, this placement shows some sort of problem in health and some weakness in ability to fight the disease.

The disease here is autism. It is ruled by the turned 6th from the 5th. This is the radix 10th with the cusp in Aquarius. Autism here is ruled by Saturn Rx in Leo in the radix 4th (your son's turned 12th)

Saturn is not doing very well. First of all, it is a natural malefic in Rx motion, making it even more malicious. It's in essential detriment making it more harmful in nature. Saturn has some accidental dignity by being in the radix 4th, but at the same time it has accidental debility by being in the turned 12th. Obviously, autism comes across here as a very serious condition.

Here's why I don't think he has it though. Your question was "Does my son have autism?". For a yes answer, I need application, or translation or collection of light linking your son's significator (Mercury) with that of autism (Saturn Rx).

There is no application. There is no translation of light. There is no collection of light. Nothing. That's a no.

However, I still think your son has some sort of condition, even if it is not autism because;

1) The significator of his health is quit unfortunate in it's placement
2) Saturn as a general ruler of diseases (conditions) he might have is in his 12th, i.e. he doesn't know about it yet, and in the radix 4th, i.e. buried.
3) The final lunar aspect traditionally is a conjunction with Saturn Rx, the ruler of his disease house.
4) Mercury (his significator and natural ruler of information) is under the Sun's beams, i.e. things are not clear and are yet to be shed some light on.

Let's try the second method

Is the rumor true?

The reason why I think this method is applicable here is because you are basing your question on something that you have been told. And while the most accurate chart for "is the rumor true" questions, is the event chart for the first time the rumor was told, i.e. the news was delivered, the horary is still good. I judged it, but I'd prefer it if you could give me an event chart of when you first told that your son might have autism.

So, here's the confusing answer that I got from this method;

1) The ruler of ASC (Mercury), and the Moon dispositor (Sun) are not fixed, but the Moon is fixed. This is a shaky True.
2) The Moon and the ruler of ASC (Mercury) are cadent. Mercury is afflicted by Mars, but the Moon isn't afflicted. the Moon dispositor (Sun) is angular and not afflicted. This is a shaky False.
3) Not all angles are fixed. Mercury isn’t fixed, but the Moon is. Neither one of them is separating from a malefic. The Moon is applying to an angular benefic. This is gives a more False than True.
4) MC/IC axis is fixed, but the Moon doesn't rule either angle. This is another shaky True.
5) Mercury is debilitated. This gives a False answer.
6) Ruler of the 1st (Mercury) is under the Sun's beam shows a secret yet to be revealed. This is neither True nor False. This shows new information to fine tune the rumor is question.
7) The Moon in the 3rd separating from easy an easy aspect and applying to an easy aspect but not with the ruler of the ASC gives a shaky True.
8) The ruler of the 6th (Mars) afflicts the ruler of the ASC (Mercury). This shows that "the Querent will receiving damage or prejudice from the new heard".

As you see, there's a lot of traces of both True and False in this rumor. I guess it is not entirely true, but not entirely false. This could be interpreted like this; no, the rumor about your son having autism is not true, but is still not far from the truth. Obviously more information are yet to be revealed which is like to change or, at least, fine tune, the diagnosis. I suggest you get more doctors' opinions and run every test in the book.

Again, if you have the event chart of when you were first told that your son might have autism, please post its information. It would be of great help. Also, I suggest posting your son's natal chart in the medical forum.

I'm sorry. I know that my answer was probably very distressing. I hope I'll deliver better news next time. Meanwhile, I hope you'll son will get better. I pray that God will give you and your son strength, courage and peace of heart.

Nora

[Draco]

Here's why I don't think he has it though. Your question was "Does my son have autism?". For a yes answer, I need application, or translation or collection of light linking your son's significator (Mercury) with that of autism (Saturn Rx).

Hi Sore, nice analysis by the way. I always like reading your horaries. :)

You know, I was also looking for the things that you outlined above. However, given the background information, we can see that this question is occassioned by the fact that the son has a speech impediment, and the question regarding autism arises because the querent seeks to know whether this communication difficulty is occasioned by autism or not as has been suggested. Now, I agree that Saturn is the symbol for autism, so the fact that Mercury's last aspect before it's ingress to it's sign of detriment was a harsh aspect of Saturn, seems to suggest that the speech impediment is occasioned by the illness. This is further supported by the fact that Venus, the more specific significator of the speech impediment (6th from 3rd) is also separating from Saturn. The Moon applies to conjoin Saturn as it's next aspect, which I feel reflects some sort of conformation or realisation of the illness in future.

I have to give a yes or no judgement on this, I would be compelled to think that yes, the son's speech impediment is affected by autism.

Like you, I also wondered if Saturn did indeed represent autism or something else, so I suppose it just depends on how good a symbol of autism Saturn in detriment is. A I say, I know little about autism, but if this condition pertains to the lack of ability to structure, order, conform, behave etc. etc, then I think that it is autism.

[2rainbows]

there are tons of 'symptoms' related to autism. doctors like to categorize and give them names other than autism. in the end all the different diagnoses fit into one category: a different coordination of neurological sequences than 'non-disability' children.
we do not hear of institutionalized autistic people anymore because this method only made autistic qualities worse. by far, the great majority of autistic people are high functioning and not quasi-super functioning like
'Rain man' either.
2rainbows

[Summery Joy]

Draco,

Yeah, autism is still a possibility. I just think that something else is going to come up, like new information about pisceskitty's son's condition, that will make the diagnoses somewhat different. Maybe it will be autism but on very different part of the spectrum than what pisceskitty was originally led to think.

I admit that I find this chart quite confusing. That's why I was hoping there would be an event chart. Maybe it could help.

[pisceskitty]

Thank you all,

Guys thank you again for your kind words of support. My son, is a loving, wonderful little boy! really out going, and alot of fun to be around. He writes beautifully, and has a lovely singing voice! There are some people who cannot believe he has autism, because he is so social, and outgoing. He gets frustrated when he tries to speak. He goes to speech therapy, and he loves to learn. I just want him to have a full wonderful life. I was looking at his natal chart, and he has Pluto Quincunx Mercury. I wonder if this reveals anything? My own astrologer said she doesn't think it's linked to autism.

Regardless, I continue to work with my son, and the speech therapist. It is very confusing. His comprehension, has always been amazing. He has no problem pointing to what he wants, if he cannot get the words out. Since he was a baby, he was always willing to help someone! I was eating ice-cream when he was about 2 1/2, and he ran in the kitchen, and got me a spoon! I'm a tough cookie, and my son is an amazing little guy. Whatever the out come, I feel blessed as a mother!

Sorehearted, I will post his chart on the medical forum. Thank you for the suggestion

[2rainbows]

I have no doubt his speaking ability will come along. i think speech delays may have something to do with fascial muscle development, laughter is likely the best therapy!

[Draco]

There are some people who cannot believe he has autism

So he is autistic.

He writes beautifully, and has a lovely singing voice!

He gets frustrated when he tries to speak.

This information seems to confirm something I found in the horary:

your son's cusp of immediate communication is the third from the fifth, bringing us to the seventh in Sagittarius. This is interesting, because this gives Jupiter in domicile as the significator of your son's communicative faculties, suggesting that these qualities are in fact latently strong in your son, but Mercury is not conductive to Jupiter's essence, so your sons latent communication abilities are hampered by his inability to express them

So Jupiter in domicile shows the latent strength of his communciation skills, the beautiful wrting and the lovely singing voice, and his innate potential to communicate is very strong, it's just that Mercury is in detriment in Jupiter's sign, hampering his ability to adequately express his none the less strongly dignified latent communication skills, which must be very frustrating. Jupiter is the principle of excess in it's own sign, so it's like he has so much to get out but is frustrated by lacking the means to translate his thoughts perhaps?

Watch out to see of anything occurs with him in May of next year.

[2rainbows]

Draco got it right here,
[QUOTE=Draco]

Jupiter is the principle of excess in it's own sign, so it's like he has so much to get out but is frustrated by lacking the means to translate his thoughts perhaps?

very typical of autism. there seems to be a delay in mental processing, but it is more likely there is a rush of mental processing and 'autism' is the child sorting out the data. and why i think it so important to let them develop on their own terms. autistic children are probably extremely psychic.

2rainbows

[Francesca]

PiscesKitty, from your description of your son, I cannot believe it is autism, so hang in there! Frankly autistic children cannot focus to the extent your son can in most cases, and few, if any, show empathy or a desire to assist others. In fact, in 15 years of working with autism and other disabilities, I have never seen this. If it is autism, it is unusal. Has anyone mentioned Asperger's here? Even that would seem ill-fitting.

Draco and Sorehearted, as usual, your work is outstanding. I really am in awe of your abilities, and I mean that sincerely. Draco, I am intrigued by Saturn as a symbol of autism. "Lack of boundaries" resonates because fundamentally autistic people are overwhelmed by sensory input which they cannot sort or regulate (apparently) like a normal nervous system. It is not a behavioral problem per se, but results in extremely isolating or disruptive behavior patterns.

If your child turns out to have true autism, it appears to be of a nature and degree where he will have a great deal of potential, and it will not be such an all pervading disability as it is in most cases. Please keep us informed.

[Arian Maverick]

PiscesKitty, from your description of your son, I cannot believe it is autism, so hang in there! Frankly autistic children cannot focus to the extent your son can in most cases, and few, if any, show empathy or a desire to assist others. In fact, in 15 years of working with autism and other disabilities, I have never seen this. If it is autism, it is unusal. Has anyone mentioned Asperger's here? Even that would seem ill-fitting.

I apologize for intruding upon this thread, but this is the primary reason why my brother was not diagnosed with autism so many years ago. Yet although he can neither read nor write, he has an uncanny ability to form relationships with others.

Arian Maverick

[Francesca]

Well, Mav, I am surprised to hear this, but if you don't mind, I would like to hear more. BTW, you are not "intruding" on this thread.

Can you tell us how your brother forms relationships? Is it in the way that typical people do, or is it unique to him? What is his functional level academically in comparison to typical people his age? Do professional people see him as a high functioning person, and do they comment on his ability to form relationships? Does he form relationships with peers?

I hope you are not offended by my interest, but your description of him is intriguing. If you are uncomfortable, please say so. Thanks

[freedomlover]

Pisceskitty,

I have been drawn to this post for a couple of days now, but keep avoiding posting. I feel there is something I must contibute. I'm coming way out of left field here, so bear with me.

I find that reading the energies of a horary as a "snapshot" of energies surrounding the question can yield some important understanding.

The first thing I noticed about the chart was there were no squares or oppositions - all smooth, flowing aspects. I have found that sometimes this simply shows energies that are merging together. There is also an emphasis on Pisces in the chart, with Uranus in Pisces in 10th, and True Node in Pisces in the 11th. All of this screams " a lack of personal boundaries". I believe the core of the problem is that your son is too enmeshed with you energetically. He is starting to lose his sense of "self" - isn't really sure where his thoughts end and yours begin.

Moon is in Leo/3rd opposing Chiron in Aq/9th. Psychologically, this axis deals with the ability to think for oneself, separating one's will from another's, and thusly the separation from the mother. The Moon is trining the Merc/Mars/Jupiter stellium in Sag/6th. The 6th house also rules discernment and critical thinking, - the ability to "see how the pieces fit"(mental processing) so.the mother's energies are "merging" with this within him.

Venus is conjunct Pluto in sag/7th. trining Saturn (r) in Leo/4th. To me, this would show a change is needed in your relationship with the child.

The 5th/11th house is intercepted with Libra/Aries having no cusp - again the loss of the sense of self. Coming with this is the intercepted 2nd/8th axis in Cancer/Cap - what one values vs. what another values. Also the need to set boundaries(Cap) with the mother (Cancer). Also, I see this as he sees you as his provider, and so is afraid to speak up because of this. ( At least partially)

The nodes are located in these intercepted houses,as well, with the South Node in Virgo/5th. Virgo also rules worry. (winks). Pisceskitty, I have followed your posts since I first came on this forum. I have sensed several things about you. I sense you are a very loving, caring person who doesn't want to hurt anyone, and always seeks to do the right thing. I also sense that you are a world-class worrier. I feel that your son is soaking up your worry. He loves you very much, and seeks to please you. However, worriers are also usually micro-managers to a large extent, and I think this may be part of the problem. It does take two to tango, but your son is too young to understand the dynamics of what is going on. You are not too young. (winks again) Therefore if YOU gain some understanding of what is going on, you can work on changing YOUR behavior, therefore altering the dynamics between you and your son. You are the most important relationship in his life, and it's really a blessing to see the dynamics and start changing them early on.

Also, if I remember right, the father is not in the picture? If this is so, it could be represented by the Sun in Sag/7th conjunct DC sextile Neptune in Aq/9th - possibly trying to fill the gap left by his father. Or possibly he has some psychological issues about why his father is not in the picture? Or it could simply denote the need for more personal freedom, especially in learning things for himself vs someone rushing in with the answers? (micro-managing)

I really don't think there is anything wrong with your son that a little psychological understanding could not remedy. The first step is the awareness of your contribution and willingness to change. The second is to help him work on his part. You'll need to be Divinely guided as to what is appropriate for him. His ideas need to be encouraged, and he needs to be given a certain amount of freedom to make mistakes and learn from them. A good child psychologist may be able to help him with this as well.

Please don't take offense at what I said. I've said it with the purest of intentions. I have felt an emotional "tug" towards this post. Anytime I have this "tug", it is telling me that this person has some of the same issues I do, and that helping them will help me. I may have projected some of my own issues into this, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. However, I do feel like I'm "barking up the right tree", as I like to say. Anytime I make a long-detailed post like this, I feel a strong sense of Divine guidance to do so. I can't say that everything I say is "on the money", but there is a need for the issues to be brought out and discussed. And this is really a very common problem between mothers and children. Some children just seem to be more sensitive and unable to relate in the proper way than others, probably due to some past-life mental/emotional trauma. Please don't take this personally! I know you mean well and love your son!

If you would openly share your thoughts on yours and your son's personalities and your relationship dynamics, it may shed some more light on this, as well as help some others recognize similiar issues within their own families. Like I said, it is a very common problem.

Taking a look at your and your son's synastry may help, if you would like to post birth data.

Speaking the truth ( as I sense it) in love,

Freedomlover

[2rainbows]

autism like every single other thing evolves.
the newer generations of autistic children are fully capable of being happy and loving. and yes their inheritance is to live without boundaries. it is living without boundaries which is key in the happiness in all children.
the farther we feel apart from happiness is how many boundaries we have around self. however, it does not need to take a long time to break down boundaries, think of it as animals escaping cages, innocent being released from jail= perfect freedom.
living without boundaries, in no way, means unruly, risky behavior.
autism is not a disability, it is a platform for the rest all of us.
and when we only see disability, whether your own child or someone else's, it is receiving a tremendous gift from the Creator and telling Creator 'ya messed up!. however, we can all breathe free because the Creator always has the upper hand!.


[QUOTE=freedomlover]

There is also an emphasis on Pisces in the chart, with Uranus in Pisces in 10th, and True Node in Pisces in the 11th. All of this screams " a lack of personal boundaries". I believe the core of the problem is that your son is too enmeshed with you energetically. He is starting to lose his sense of "self" - isn't really sure where his thoughts end and yours begin.

this is likely the child sorting through psychic and non-psychic energy.

every single person likes and deserves to have some elbow room for living.
i am certain pisceskitty is doing a fine job as mother to her son.

2rainbows

[freedomlover]

autism like every single other thing evolves.
the newer generations of autistic children are fully capable of being happy and loving. and yes their inheritance is to live without boundaries. it is living without boundaries which is key in the happiness in all children.
the farther we feel apart from happiness is how many boundaries we have around self. however, it does not need to take a long time to break down boundaries, think of it as animals escaping cages, innocent being released from jail= perfect freedom.
living without boundaries, in no way, means unruly, risky behavior.
autism is not a disability, it is a platform for the rest all of us.
and when we only see disability, whether your own child or someone else's, it is receiving a tremendous gift from the Creator and telling Creator 'ya messed up!. however, we can all breathe free because the Creator always has the upper hand!.



[quote=freedomlover]

There is also an emphasis on Pisces in the chart, with Uranus in Pisces in 10th, and True Node in Pisces in the 11th. All of this screams " a lack of personal boundaries". I believe the core of the problem is that your son is too enmeshed with you energetically. He is starting to lose his sense of "self" - isn't really sure where his thoughts end and yours begin.

this is likely the child sorting through psychic and non-psychic energy.

every single person likes and deserves to have some elbow room for living.
i am certain pisceskitty is doing a fine job as mother to her son.

2rainbows
I would just like to clarify some of my points, as regarding 2rainbows comments.

First of all, the type of "lack of boundaries" I was referring to was the kind involving psychic energies in which one loses their sense of self, what one personally thinks, wants, and needs.

The kind 2rainbows is referring to is obviously our goal of universal oneness and unconditional love. Unfortunately, the lack of the sense of self due to getting enmeshed with others energetically is pretty much the CAUSE of us putting up boundaries to the right kind of "oneness" and universal love.

And again, I in no way, shape, nor form meant to say that PiscesKitty is a poor mother. She would not be posting this questions if she was, and she obviously loves her son very much. And I repeat that the issues I outlined are pretty much universal for mothers and children, some more so than others.

To a small child, a parent is "God" to them. The human tendency in a child is to "bow down" to their parents. The child sees the parent as the source of love and physical supply and safety. So it is very hard for a child to truly separate their wants and needs from the parents. If we will each examine our own lives and look at society, we will se that this is so. How many people do you know who wind up doing what their parents wanted them to do with their lives, instead of pursuing their own dream?

In the case of PiscesKitty's little boy, there is obviously some sort of issue here. I believe whatever it is is causing him to not be able to deal with the normal dynamics between a mother and child - possible something triggered a past-life memory or just some emotional turmoil from this life. If he is autistic or has some sort of similiar condition, I have this to say: I believe that these "special" children have such a sense of remembering what it was like on the other side- in heaven, and have such a sense of homesickness for it, that they kind of go into "culture shock" when they get here. They are very sensitive, loving, gifted souls, and it is unconditional love and understanding that will draw them out. Part of this is helping the child with personal boundaries, so they retain their sense of self. This helps them get a sense of "home" here on earth, and they will gradually come out of their shell.

Well, that's my theory on it, anyway. As to PiscesKitty's son having autism, I really don't think so, for some reason. I think it is something much less dramatic and more easily solved, hence this post.

All my love to PIscesKitty and son.....

[pisceskitty]

Thank you all again!

I haven't taken offense to anything that is said. My ex-husband[his father] is in the picture, and we have a nice relationship. I also get along with his new wife! They recently lost a child. Though his father does not live with us, he is a loving father. There have been some difficulites with me son's grandparents though. When we were all living in Germany, My ex-husband's mother ran off to France with our son. We had to get the authorities involved. It was scary, and difficult for all of us.

To Draco: The statement I made about people not believing my son has Autism, is to say, that no one thinks he has it. I have been given clonficting stories about my son. I barely spoke as a child too! I have faith in my son, and I love him more than anythin! I had an ectopic pregnancy, and two misscarriages before I had him! He was meant to be!

You guys were mentioning Jupiter. My son has Jupiter/Pallas Athene in Pisces in his sixth house. I know this is not the correct forum to post his information, but since we are on the subject of my son, I will post his birth data here. I would never do anything to hurt my child, or neglect him. He means the world to me. I didn't have my own mother, so maybe I try too hard. I may need to give him some space, because I have always had this fear of "loosing" my children. I believe those misscarriages, my siblings being given up for adoption, and my mother leaving me as a child is the cause of these feelings.

Christopher
June 18th 1998
2:49 PM
Fort Hood, TX

Again guys thank you for the feedback. I keep alot inside, and don't really share my thoughts with anyone. I feel very comfortable revealing things to you guys.:)

Here's my informatio again
PiscesKitty
March 11th 1973
8:26PM
New York, NY

Me and my son's father divorced because of his relationship with other women. That was some time ago, and we've managed to move on. He jokes that our son is too much like me! Me, and Chris have a really great relationship. We like alot of the same things, especially cultural things, Museums, music[he looves jazz!] and food!..lol! I admit I spoil him alot! He has to be the best dressed kid in new york city! He is aslo a very patient child. I had asked a Horay question asking if we knew each other in a previous life.He will soon be leaving to spend Christmas with his father. Here is my ex-husbands info:

M.
May 2nd 1966
3:20AM
Wilmington, Deleware

[freedomlover]

Whew! I'm glad you didn't take offense. I knew I was barking up the right tree, but just couldn't get a bead on the specifics.

You kind of described what I was sensing perfectly when you said:

""He means the world to me. I didn't have my own mother, so maybe I try too hard. I may need to give him some space, because I have always had this fear of "loosing" my children. I believe those misscarriages, my siblings being given up for adoption, and my mother leaving me as a child is the cause of these feelings.""

That may be the "enmeshment" that I'm picking up on. I can also now understand where these feelings are coming from with you. That's a lot of loss! Maybe that is the issue you need to seek some release from. I'm sure it would bring you both a lot of peace.

As to the "kidnapping" by the ex-husband's mother, possibly that could be a trigger for his emotional problems - both from his personal experience, and then his soaking up your fears of losing him since then. Perhaps your fears reminds him of when he was separated from you. How long ago was this and how long did it take to get him back? That is a terrible experience for a child to have to live through - even if it was the grandmother. I know a woman that this happened to with her two small children. The grandmother took them and it was a while before she got them back. The children have alot of emotional/neurotic problems - much of it rooted in this.

A fear of being separated can actually drive a person to enmesh. Sounds like it may be coming from both sides. You said in another post, I believe, that you have to work 12 hour days. Perhaps that could be feeding the problem? I don't know the answers. I wish I did. I just really sensed that his problem was an emotional one, and one with some sense of trauma attached, and that it involved a psychic/emotional enmeshment with you. And that, in turn, is affecting his sense of self.

It's really odd, when I read this post, I could really feel your fear of losing him. It almost felt like a constant internal panic. I am praying for you and your son to be healed of whatever caused these negative emotions.

[pisceskitty]

Hi Freedomlover:)

Recently I have been able to cut my work hours back a little. I work 6hrs a day now, and every other weekend! To answer your question about my son's grandmother, she had him for a couple of months. Than can seem like an eternity for a child. It can be an eternity for adults too! Especially the child's parents. I had a wonderful therapist I was going to see. I am thinking about going back into therapy. The fears I have of loosing everyone I love is really difficult. I am really trying to enjoy myself a little bit more. I don't know how to. I spend too much time worrying! I need to lighten up!:p